slickmick Posted 23 September, 2008 Posted 23 September, 2008 (edited) Would you take a season of hoof football ( Branfoot, Wimbledon, Derby ect)for a guaranteed survival from relegation, or persevere with the way we are ? It is a hypothetical question, I know we don't have the players to play that system but what if a new manager came in and brought a few hoofers in to change our style. Edited 23 September, 2008 by slickmick
Weston Super Saint Posted 23 September, 2008 Posted 23 September, 2008 I think the question should be : Winning football or losing football....
slickmick Posted 23 September, 2008 Author Posted 23 September, 2008 Weston Super Saint said: I think the question should be : Winning football or losing football.... Hoof football is not guaranteed to win, just as much as pretty football doesn't always mean defeat.
Toomer Posted 23 September, 2008 Posted 23 September, 2008 I would take any win at the moment be it ugly or pretty.
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 September, 2008 Posted 23 September, 2008 We don't have the players for Route 1 to be effective, but pretty football doesn't seem to be working either.
Weston Super Saint Posted 23 September, 2008 Posted 23 September, 2008 slickmick said: Hoof football is not guaranteed to win, just as much as pretty football doesn't always mean defeat. Toomer said: I would take any win at the moment be it ugly or pretty. I think Toomer said it better than me
slickmick Posted 23 September, 2008 Author Posted 23 September, 2008 adriansfc said: People seem to equate hoof football with us getting better results. With the players we've got, all I see that doing is making Lallana completely ineffective and giving the opposition a lot more posession. It is a hypothetical question, I know we don't have the players to play that system but what if a new manager came in and brought he few hoofers in to change our style.
Snowballs2 Posted 23 September, 2008 Posted 23 September, 2008 slickmick said: Hoof football is not guaranteed to win, just as much as pretty football doesn't always mean defeat. Then go for a mixture of both. Its survival that matters not pretty football
buctootim Posted 23 September, 2008 Posted 23 September, 2008 Snowballs2 said: Then go for a mixture of both. Its survival that matters not pretty football We dont have the players for hoofball. Switching styles now would surely send us down. We should keep refining and improving doing what we're doing.
Supersubpuckett Posted 23 September, 2008 Posted 23 September, 2008 We don't appear to have either the players or coaching staff for any style of football at the moment.
West End Saint Posted 23 September, 2008 Posted 23 September, 2008 It is all about balance you have to win the right to play your football in this league I dont think we should just hoof it and by pass our midfield but I dont think we should be over playing at the back and losing posession in our own half. It is up to Jan the man to get the balance right and for the players to understand when they play tight passing or hit the channels when under pressure. Do we have the players who can do this I am not sure we do at the moment
Bakovnetski Posted 23 September, 2008 Posted 23 September, 2008 I think JP will get to grips with this league soon enough and you'll see a blend of possession footy at the back and in the midfield with more quick direct breaks from both areas to forwards who are up the opposing defence's noses, and then with the skill to turn them and run on.
offix Posted 23 September, 2008 Posted 23 September, 2008 who cares what it looks like. winning brings the crowds back.
VectisSaint Posted 23 September, 2008 Posted 23 September, 2008 It doesn't have to be either/or, there are shades of gray in between. Whatever style or styles we play though, it is winning that is the be all and end all, especially at home.
SaintRichmond Posted 23 September, 2008 Posted 23 September, 2008 slickmick said: Would you take a season of hoof football ( Branfoot, Wimbledon, Derby ect)for a guaranteed survival from relegation, or persevere with the way we are ? It is a hypothetical question, I know we don't have the players to play that system but what if a new manager came in and brought a few hoofers in to change our style. The Stark Reality is :- If you want Saints to (at best) remain in the CCC, or even get another Relegation ..... then carry on playing Pretty Pretty Football If you want Saints to survive in the CCC, and get Streetwise, then an alternative system HAS to be played, Not necessarily Hoof N Run, but certainly a style more in keeping with the CCC format Me ? I would of course like to see purist Football, but, as can be seen so far, Purist Pretty Pretty Football is NOT WORKING in the CCC League places do not lie ........ and we are currently THIRD from bottom Only a lunatic would NOT advocate a change in style of play
solentstars Posted 23 September, 2008 Posted 23 September, 2008 slickmick said: Hoof football is not guaranteed to win, just as much as pretty football doesn't always mean defeat.spot on and most of the teams relegated to league one play hoofball because they lack players to open up teams.
70's Mike Posted 23 September, 2008 Posted 23 September, 2008 the last 2 home games we have passed it around between the back 4 and Gillet and then hoofed it forward. mixture of both methods is employed by most ccc teams, are problem is we have no one on the end of the hoof
eelpie Posted 23 September, 2008 Posted 23 September, 2008 Quote the last 2 home games we have passed it around between the back 4 and Gillet and then hoofed it forward. mixture of both methods is employed by most ccc teams, are problem is we have no one on the end of the hoof I thought the passing against ipswich was pretty accurate and found the man well. Against Barnsley it was spectacularly wayward.
70's Mike Posted 23 September, 2008 Posted 23 September, 2008 eelpie said: I thought the passing against ipswich was pretty accurate and found the man well. Against Barnsley it was spectacularly wayward. but as Jan has said to often it is passing for passing sake with no end product. Jan has the right idea but appears to be struggling to get the players to do everything he says
Saint_clark Posted 23 September, 2008 Posted 23 September, 2008 We played route 1 V Barnsley, the worst team in the league, with our tallest striker playing. This should answer your question.
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