trousers Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 I have not thrown any stones at anyone recently, ergo I am going to Wembley.
dune Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 they would all have seen the hand held camcorders that were being used andif they were still stupid enough to get involved then they should take their punishment like a man. he has a point. those caught must be pretty thick.
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 the whole episode was massively over hyped, but is an example of why I didn't bring my son to that game - I really don't want him to witness that type of pathetic behaviour first hand. Also think it's a shame that I have to pick and choose what games I can take him to based on the violent behaviour of these types. Never feared for my nephews safety for a moment, equally he did not 'witness' the behaviour first hand, for me it was about choice, if you wanted to follow and run around in circles jumping up and down wailing like excited chimps you could, however, if you wanted to walk back to your vehicle, wait till the roads opened and proceed back to your local you could, for any young fan to miss out on the atmosphere within the ground on derby day due to irrational fear is a great shame, imo
Turkish Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 I'm sick of hearing StupidRomseySaint's "soft on crime", "be nice to the poor little criminals and give them a big cuddle instead" whining. Everybody knows that they will come down harder on crime at the football, so just don't get involved rather than crying about it afterwards. They knew what they were doing,they knew where they were. They knew there were extra police there for a reason, they knew anyone caught would be made an example of. Dry your eyes and take your punishment, or are they only hard men until they're caught? If you've got the sort of job that you'd lose if you were caught causing trouble at the footie, then don't cause trouble at the footie. Don't whinge about it afterwards and especially don't get your boyfriend to come sobbing about your hard luck story on a message board. He's not saying be soft on every crime, but i totally agree that the punishment dished out for football related "crimes" are well over the top in compaision to those given out for non football realted offences. If someone had thrown a stone on a friday night in town they'd get a £50 fine, at football likely 200 hours community service. The reason is absoultely totally completely that it is high profile and that eveyone salivates over football related crime. The plastic wannabe hooligan love it that their club get recoginsed as having a hooligan element, some take the tut tut, silly boys thought and there are an element which believe every football thug is Ian Huntley in Stone Island and should be publicly executed. The papers love it because it sells papers, just have a look what is the most read story on the echo site, everytime any football violence related incident takes place. The police love it because it gives them the chance to cover themselves in glory as they can exagerate the incident and claim how by banning, jailing, comm serving these mindless thugs the world is a much safer the place. The truth is like it or loathe it you lap it up and it fasinates everyone, its high profile media driven and they use their standard lines like "it resemembled a scene from Braveheart" "mindless thugs" enjoy reading the stories, posting about it and talking about it, we all know secretly you lot cant get enough of it.
Turkish Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 steve bull, john w******d etc. oh right a total **** then, best not forget my wig and face paints sunday or people wont think i am a regular match goer.
StuRomseySaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Author Posted 26 March, 2010 Never feared for my nephews safety for a moment, equally he did not 'witness' the behaviour first hand, for me it was about choice, if you wanted to follow and run around in circles jumping up and down wailing like excited chimps you could, however, if you wanted to walk back to your vehicle, wait till the roads opened and proceed back to your local you could, for any young fan to miss out on the atmosphere within the ground on derby day due to irrational fear is a great shame, imo Exactly... all the people that say 'ooh I can't take my kid to the game because of the trouble' need to get a grip on reality. You won't ever find trouble if you don't want to. If you have children and parked in Ocean Village and sat in the family centre then you would have been able to enjoy the game without coming within 100 metres of a skate or any trouble.
Fuengirola Saint Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 I remember a ball bearing being thrown at Emlyn Hughes (rip) that day! He deserved that if only for his cringeworthy forelock tugging display to Princess Anne on A Question of Sport ( Please do not reply if you are offended with this statement because he´s dead )
wessex saint Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 Exactly... all the people that say 'ooh I can't take my kid to the game because of the trouble' need to get a grip on reality. You won't ever find trouble if you don't want to. If you have children and parked in Ocean Village and sat in the family centre then you would have been able to enjoy the game without coming within 100 metres of a skate or any trouble. I walked to the game going through the park at the top of town just as a mob of 'yoof' were being broken up by police horses charging about. If I'd known there was going to be grief there I wouldn't have walked that way. Maybe I'm just not 'itk' enough about yoof tactics. Maybe if you let me know in advance where your mates are gonna be Stu .....
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 I walked to the game going through the park at the top of town just as a mob of 'yoof' were being broken up by police horses charging about. If I'd known there was going to be grief there I wouldn't have walked that way. Maybe I'm just not 'itk' enough about yoof tactics. Maybe if you let me know in advance where your mates are gonna be Stu ..... I find common sense supercedes itk
Turkish Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 I walked to the game going through the park at the top of town just as a mob of 'yoof' were being broken up by police horses charging about. If I'd known there was going to be grief there I wouldn't have walked that way. Maybe I'm just not 'itk' enough about yoof tactics. Maybe if you let me know in advance where your mates are gonna be Stu ..... its quite obviously really, the main route to the ground from the train station was always going to be a flashpoint, as was outside the away end, keep away from those areas and i doubt you'd have even seen a skate let alone any aggro.
LA77 Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 I'd really like to go to a boxing night where all these "hard" hooligans got in the boxing ring. It would be entertaining seeing the "yoof" and the older beer gut brigade making themselves look silly. I know "lads" that keep their noses out of trouble, and go to football and don't act like idiots. They fight in the ring and train hard for it. Hooligans is all about a group of 10/20 or 30 kicking the fook out of a smaller group and claiming a result. How is that big and hard? This day and age with cameras everywhere - and like it's already been mentioned police setting it up for people to nick themselves - you have to be very stupid to throw stones. They always make examples of people during a world cup year. This was Saints vs pompey after all, so this is the only game this type of trouble would've kicked off anyway tbh.
forever a red and white Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 Listening to Langley, looks like they are off to Crown and some might even end up with some time in prison, lose their jobs etc etc... for something which would be a slap on the wrist if it happened anywhere else other than football. Seems a bit wrong to me. they should have thought about it before throwing stones, no-one to blame but themselves. Can't commit the offence then moan about the punishment.
wessex saint Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 its quite obviously really, the main route to the ground from the train station was always going to be a flashpoint, as was outside the away end, keep away from those areas and i doubt you'd have even seen a skate let alone any aggro. Fair pint but had to get to train for that game. thought quickest route to SMS would be best. Know better for next time
StuRomseySaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Author Posted 26 March, 2010 they should have thought about it before throwing stones, no-one to blame but themselves. Can't commit the offence then moan about the punishment. Course you can... if you got jailed for 6 months for doing 36mph in a 30mph zone, would you moan about the punishment?
Hatch Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 So what was the outcome, Does Mr Big in Parkhurst have 13 fresh subjects waiting for him in the showers today?
madruss Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 Course you can... if you got jailed for 6 months for doing 36mph in a 30mph zone, would you moan about the punishment? If the police had set up a speed camera especially on a certain road, and then publically announced that they were going to crack down on anyone who broke the speed limit on that road on a particular day and you still decided to drive along that road at 36 mph on that day, then you'd surely have no cause to complain about any punishment dished out to you. I guess you could argue that the police had set a 'trap' by having the handheld cameras out, but let's be honest it was a fairly easy trap to avoid
saint_mears Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 Daft place to ask such a question. If you know some of these people etc then why not just ask them ? !
Turkish Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 Daft place to ask such a question. If you know some of these people etc then why not just ask them ? ! because although he knows them, they think he's a ***** and dont speak to him.
View From The Top Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 Exactly... all the people that say 'ooh I can't take my kid to the game because of the trouble' need to get a grip on reality. You won't ever find trouble if you don't want to. If you have children and parked in Ocean Village and sat in the family centre then you would have been able to enjoy the game without coming within 100 metres of a skate or any trouble. Corky Morris and I took a 9yo and 2 7yo with us. parked at Woolston, walked over the bridge and saw or heard no mither.
StuRomseySaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Author Posted 26 March, 2010 If the police had set up a speed camera especially on a certain road, and then publically announced that they were going to crack down on anyone who broke the speed limit on that road on a particular day and you still decided to drive along that road at 36 mph on that day, then you'd surely have no cause to complain about any punishment dished out to you. I guess you could argue that the police had set a 'trap' by having the handheld cameras out, but let's be honest it was a fairly easy trap to avoid I am not saying they should moan about getting caught, I am talking about the punishment matching the offence. If you got put in prison for a minor speeding offence, in the same way some people may get put in prison for a minor football violence... would you moan about the punishment?
Langleysaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 they should have thought about it before throwing stones, no-one to blame but themselves. Can't commit the offence then moan about the punishment. But the punishment is quite likely to far out way the crime just because its football related, which imo as out of order.
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 All remanded on bail until May to the Crown Court. Except one who pleaded guilty and he was remanded for reports before sentencing on April 22.
Lewis Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 'Poor lads'? Lol. If they were stupid enough to get caught up in all the trouble, and stupid enough to be caught, then I think they deserve all they get. Proper scum.[/quote You represent everything that is wrong with Dibden Purlieu."Proper snob"
StuRomseySaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Author Posted 26 March, 2010 All remanded on bail until May to the Crown Court. Except one who pleaded guilty and he was remanded for reports before sentencing on April 22. Did you mean remanded? As in... in custody? Surely not? Remanded on bail?
StuRomseySaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Author Posted 26 March, 2010 On bail Stu. I was about to say, having said that though, I know of people being remanded in custody for the most stupid things. Did the other 12 go Not Guilty then or was their offences seen as more serious?
once_bitterne Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 some people may get put in prison for a minor football violence.. I like Stupid's idea of football violence being able to be categorised into minor and major. It's a bit like being slightly pregnant.....
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 All remanded on bail until May to the Crown Court. Except one who pleaded guilty and he was remanded for reports before sentencing on April 22. Did you mean remanded? As in... in custody? Surely not? Remanded on bail? I was about to say, having said that though, I know of people being remanded in custody for the most stupid things. Did the other 12 go Not Guilty then or was their offences seen as more serious? Thought this may be clearer ???
StuRomseySaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Author Posted 26 March, 2010 I like Stupid's idea of football violence being able to be categorised into minor and major. It's a bit like being slightly pregnant..... Oh... you should be Prime Minister, comparing football violence to pregnancy. Thicko. Do you not agree that there is 'minor' and 'major' forms of football violence? Or do you think that the punishment should be the same for someone who sang 'who the f*cking hell are you' to away fans as someone who kicked the f*ck out of an away fan and put him in a coma, or even worse, killed him. You're not very bright are you?
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 The other twelve pleaded not guilty and will appear on May 7th. The one pleaded guilty to violent disorder and other charges were not proceeded with.
StuRomseySaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Author Posted 26 March, 2010 Thought this may be clearer ??? DSM didnt mention whether the other 12 went guilty and reffered to Crown for possible custodials or whether they went not guilty, hence going to Crown Court. Edit: He did. Fair play them going not guilty, the police should invest in a better MP camera.
chrisobee Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 Wow! i didn't know that, nice one boys :-) No, it wasn't nice and certainly not if you were there. This thread is rapidly becoming one with the most stupid comments of all time which is quite some achievement.
once_bitterne Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 Oh... you should be Prime Minister, comparing football violence to pregnancy. Thicko. Do you not agree that there is 'minor' and 'major' forms of football violence? Or do you think that the punishment should be the same for someone who sang 'who the f*cking hell are you' to away fans as someone who kicked the f*ck out of an away fan and put him in a coma, or even worse, killed him. You're not very bright are you? LOL. No, you're quite correct, your 'it's just lads being lads' approach to football violence makes your far more intelligent than those who don't feel that football violence is an intrinsic part of the matchday experience. I would assume thay you would categorise the throwing of 'a few stones' or someone 'getting a slap' as being minor but what happens if the recipient falls and hits their head on the pavement and ends up dying? Is it still minor? Sorry Stooey but all football violence is unacceptable and thus should be treated as harshly as possible. Anyway, your whole trademark playing down of football violence is a bit of a joke anyway. It's not as if it is coming from someone who was actually involved in the 70s/80s but instead from someone who watched Football Factory and got a bit aroused.... What ever happened to Bad Boy Saint? I always got the impression you were trying to groom him into being the overweight football hooligan in appalling clothing that you wished you had been in your youth. Would you be terribly upset if I didn't accept your kind offer of a place on the Romsey buses this weekend?
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 What ever happened to Bad Boy Saint? I always got the impression you were trying to groom him into being the overweight football hooligan in appalling clothing that you wished you had been in your youth. You're out of order ! SRS didn't wish for nothing, he was and is that !! (that said, don't know him, never met him, think I recall pictures from facebook on here once but in the main taking it from what norwaysaint posts about him)
StuRomseySaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Author Posted 26 March, 2010 LOL. No, you're quite correct, your 'it's just lads being lads' approach to football violence makes your far more intelligent than those who don't feel that football violence is an intrinsic part of the matchday experience. I would assume thay you would categorise the throwing of 'a few stones' or someone 'getting a slap' as being minor but what happens if the recipient falls and hits their head on the pavement and ends up dying? Is it still minor? Sorry Stooey but all football violence is unacceptable and thus should be treated as harshly as possible. Anyway, your whole trademark playing down of football violence is a bit of a joke anyway. It's not as if it is coming from someone who was actually involved in the 70s/80s but instead from someone who watched Football Factory and got a bit aroused.... What ever happened to Bad Boy Saint? I always got the impression you were trying to groom him into being the overweight football hooligan in appalling clothing that you wished you had been in your youth. Would you be terribly upset if I didn't accept your kind offer of a place on the Romsey buses this weekend? If you hit someone and seriously hurt them then the charges are raised to reflect it... it's really not a hard concept is it? Do you not get that? If you drive at 40mph in a 30mph zone then you can expect a fixed penalty fine and maybe 3 points. If you are driving at 40mph in a 30 zone and a child walks out infront of your car, and you kill them, you will be charged with death by dangerous driving and the punishment much more severe. I could list you dozens more examples. But I can't be bothered because if you don't get it now, you never will. I am not playing down anything gumbo, simply stating that the punishments are not fair in relation to offences of a similar nature away from football. That's a FACT. As for BadBoySaint, he got bullied in the Zeb Bar one day, went back to Salisbury crying and set up 'Salisbury City Youth' , attacked a load of Saints fans at the friendly in Salisbury, got his head smashed in and nicked, on a banning order now I believe... and has done prison... although thankfully I dont know the fat disgusting creature.
once_bitterne Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 If you hit someone and seriously hurt them then the charges are raised to reflect it... it's really not a hard concept is it? Do you not get that? If you drive at 40mph in a 30mph zone then you can expect a fixed penalty fine and maybe 3 points. If you are driving at 40mph in a 30 zone and a child walks out infront of your car, and you kill them, you will be charged with death by dangerous driving and the punishment much more severe. I could list you dozens more examples. But I can't be bothered because if you don't get it now, you never will. I am not playing down anything gumbo, simply stating that the punishments are not fair in relation to offences of a similar nature away from football. That's a FACT. As for BadBoySaint, he got bullied in the Zeb Bar one day, went back to Salisbury crying and set up 'Salisbury City Youth' , attacked a load of Saints fans at the friendly in Salisbury, got his head smashed in and nicked, on a banning order now I believe... and has done prison... although thankfully I dont know the fat disgusting creature. So you can't compare football violence to pregnancy but comparing it to speeding is ok? It's about intent Stooey. If you throw a brick or a punch you are intending to injure someone and should be punished accordingly. If you are speeding you are just trying to get somewhere a little bit quicker. HTH. x
Turkish Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 (edited) I would assume thay you would categorise the throwing of 'a few stones' or someone 'getting a slap' as being minor but what happens if the recipient falls and hits their head on the pavement and ends up dying? Is it still minor? Sorry Stooey but all football violence is unacceptable and thus should be treated as harshly as possible. What a load of nonsense, you cant sentance someone on what might happen. Otherwise everytime someone speeds they might run someone over and kill them, so therefore, by you reckoning, the 3 points and £60 fine for speeding should actually be a 5 year custodial for the new crime of driving with the potential to cause death by dangerous driving or speeding. Anyone with half an ounce of common sense sanity knows that the police and the media have blown this massively out of proportion. The cost of the investigation must be huge given the time spent in police man hours and court fees but at the end of the day are our streets going to be safer and you and I safer because a bloke who got a bit lairy outside SMS one day and threw a stone at the away fans is now mowing the lawn of of an old peoples home for 200 hours over the next few months or worst case, banged up. I'm so glad my taxes are being squandered on this. the whole thing is a farce, if it wasn't football related no one would know anything about it, let alone taking the moral high ground and giving out haughty opinions on it, lapping up every sentance in the paper and post on here. If these 13 blokes had had a bit of handbags at a concert or in town or anywhere else it'd had been dealt with by now, a £100 fine and off you go boys, none of this on bail and off to crown court nonsense. And why? Its all about the headlines. Edited 26 March, 2010 by Turkish
Sour Mash Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 If the police had set up a speed camera especially on a certain road, and then publically announced that they were going to crack down on anyone who broke the speed limit on that road on a particular day and you still decided to drive along that road at 36 mph on that day, then you'd surely have no cause to complain about any punishment dished out to you. I guess you could argue that the police had set a 'trap' by having the handheld cameras out, but let's be honest it was a fairly easy trap to avoid So by that logic, you couldn't complain about the death penalty being dished out :smt038
StuRomseySaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Author Posted 26 March, 2010 So you can't compare football violence to pregnancy but comparing it to speeding is ok? It's about intent Stooey. If you throw a brick or a punch you are intending to injure someone and should be punished accordingly. If you are speeding you are just trying to get somewhere a little bit quicker. HTH. x Errrrr Speed limits are in place because it is dangerous to drive faster than the stated speed and your actions could cause serious injury or even death... by breaking the speed limit you are doing so in the knowledge that you are increasing the chance of harming someone. I am not sure what your point is... but you are wide off the mark One Bitter.
Rowan Gorilla 5 Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 I think that a certain section really ought to brush up on their history of football whilst paying particular attention to football violence and the very reasons we have the laws that we currently have relating to these specific sporting events. Likewise, a little time spent digesting the various crimes associated with football; missiles, alcohol, public order offences, assaults, as well as some of the helpful points of law such as transferred malice, recklessness, mens rea etc. might prove rather enlightening. It's not a case of 'massaging' statistics or 'making an example of' but rather the whole justice system applying the law of the land.
Robsk II Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 But the punishment is quite likely to far out way the crime just because its football related, which imo as out of order. Bull****. They knew they'd get worse for doing it at football, and to be honest, anyone who hasn't grown up enough to understand that ultimately, being from different places isn't worth fighting over, is better off away from nthe grown up people anyway. Your mate, by the way - having an excellent service record means **** all. if anything, it means he should have matured a bit more and have a better understanding that there's more to life - and more worthy things to fight for - than a sodding football club. Let's be honest. People after aggro at football are actually just after aggro. It has nothing to do with football, and anyone who claims its out of loyalty 'to the club' or whatever needs to get a life. I struggle to think of any situation in which I would get in a fight over a football match, frankly.
RedAndWhite91 Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 On the Echo website it says: "The court was told that Taylor had drank between five and six pints and admitted chanting at Portsmouth fans and throwing a missile." Chanting at Portsmouth fans?! When did that become a crime?
Toadhall Saint Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 Stu your on a losing battle here. FWIW - throwing a stone at any other time is no more than a ticking off. Throwing one anywhere near a football stadium get at least a 3 year ban plus other odds and sods. That to me is unfair but as I said that's my opinion.
RedAndWhite91 Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 Any OB in court? I saw more violence coming from the police than I saw coming from any football fan.
RedAndWhite91 Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 Are you an apprentice c*nt, RAW91? You could say that, although I'm just saying what I saw, and a forum is a place for opinion etc etc.
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