StuRomseySaint Posted 25 March, 2010 Posted 25 March, 2010 ... anyone know how they got on? Gotta feel sorry for the lads missing out on Wembley, all seems a bit OTT to me.
scott_saints Posted 25 March, 2010 Posted 25 March, 2010 Here we go again. Same arguments, same replies by Stu.
StuRomseySaint Posted 25 March, 2010 Author Posted 25 March, 2010 why is it OTT? Was only a couple of stones... and they were skates after all...
Noodles34 Posted 25 March, 2010 Posted 25 March, 2010 all sentenced to community service repairing potholes..
scott_saints Posted 25 March, 2010 Posted 25 March, 2010 Was only a couple of stones... and they were skates after all... People who throw stones aren't football fans Stu, didn't you know?
StuRomseySaint Posted 25 March, 2010 Author Posted 25 March, 2010 People who throw stones aren't football fans Stu, didn't you know? That's rubbish... that's like saying Osama Bin Laden isn't an Arsenal fan just because he has killed a few hundred thousand people... he probably still looks out for Arsenal's results from his cave... which makes him a fan.
scott_saints Posted 25 March, 2010 Posted 25 March, 2010 Indeed. Never have understood it. I've been in a fight before, so I suppose I'm not a "football fan"
chrisobee Posted 25 March, 2010 Posted 25 March, 2010 IF they miss Wembley which I'm not sure about would be a lot less than morons like that deserve. "Only skates" ? Does it matter, no place for that in Football. Anyone at the '76 Charity Shield match v Liverpool might remember a number of idiots throwing beer cans at the Liverpool team ( while 30,000 + of us applauded both teams.) Not only shamed us all but lead to the tunnel being extended, that was a nice legacy for the club don't you think.
modern matron Posted 25 March, 2010 Posted 25 March, 2010 That's rubbish... that's like saying Osama Bin Laden isn't an Arsenal fan just because he has killed a few hundred thousand people... he probably still looks out for Arsenal's results from his cave... which makes him a fan. Grow up please....
Legod Third Coming Posted 25 March, 2010 Posted 25 March, 2010 all sentenced to community service repairing potholes.. I hope that's true, they're fecking ruining my alloys.
Saint Stimp Posted 25 March, 2010 Posted 25 March, 2010 Obviously looking for a reaction/argument.. get lost.
Colinjb Posted 25 March, 2010 Posted 25 March, 2010 If you lower yourself to their standards you deserve all you get. You reap what you sow.
Badger Posted 25 March, 2010 Posted 25 March, 2010 IF they miss Wembley which I'm not sure about would be a lot less than morons like that deserve. "Only skates" ? Does it matter, no place for that in Football. Anyone at the '76 Charity Shield match v Liverpool might remember a number of idiots throwing beer cans at the Liverpool team ( while 30,000 + of us applauded both teams.) Not only shamed us all but lead to the tunnel being extended, that was a nice legacy for the club don't you think. I had forgotten that particular claim to fame.
niceandfriendly Posted 25 March, 2010 Posted 25 March, 2010 This thread is the reason why under 16's should post on their own forum and not on the main board.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 I hope they get a proper punishment. Can't be tolerated.
Langleysaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 Most have been sent to crown for sentencing , waste of tax payers money IMO.
StuRomseySaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Author Posted 26 March, 2010 Can we get back on topic please? Does anyone know what's happened to them poor lads?
StuRomseySaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Author Posted 26 March, 2010 Most have been sent to crown for sentencing , waste of tax payers money IMO. Seriously? Crown? Did they go not guilty? If not then why to fook would you send them to crown? Magistrates can dish out a fine and banning order.
norwaysaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 What a load of typical StupidRomseySaint whinging and whining. They did something pretty pathetic, they can man up and take the fairly unsurprising consequence of a ban. Stop being such a ****ing liberal softie.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 Can we get back on topic please? Does anyone know what's happened to them poor lads? 'Poor lads'? Lol. If they were stupid enough to get caught up in all the trouble, and stupid enough to be caught, then I think they deserve all they get. Proper scum.
lil 1 Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 They are all innocent.Crimes against skates dont count.
Langleysaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 Seriously? Crown? Did they go not guilty? If not then why to fook would you send them to crown? Magistrates can dish out a fine and banning order. Good mate of mine, ex royal navy , excellent service record has gone guilty straight away , but the powers at be , the CPS want them all sent to crown for harsher sentencing. This imo is a total waste of public money, when a fine and a banning order is the most they should receive for what would be nothing more than a slap on the wrist if it happened on a saturday night in town. Rant over.
StuRomseySaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Author Posted 26 March, 2010 What a load of typical StupidRomseySaint whinging and whining. They did something pretty pathetic, they can man up and take the fairly unsurprising consequence of a ban. Stop being such a ****ing liberal softie. Listening to Langley, looks like they are off to Crown and some might even end up with some time in prison, lose their jobs etc etc... for something which would be a slap on the wrist if it happened anywhere else other than football. Seems a bit wrong to me.
St_Tel49 Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 Listening to Langley, looks like they are off to Crown and some might even end up with some time in prison, lose their jobs etc etc... for something which would be a slap on the wrist if it happened anywhere else other than football. Seems a bit wrong to me. Unless they had the brains of woodlice they must have known all this could happen if they were caught. So why get involved? No sympathy I'm afraid.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 Listening to Langley, looks like they are off to Crown and some might even end up with some time in prison, lose their jobs etc etc... for something which would be a slap on the wrist if it happened anywhere else other than football. Seems a bit wrong to me. If it happens at a public event it is more serious, hence the move to the crown court. Getting in a scuffle at the Old Fat Cat is very different to getting in a scuffle at a highly publicised, high tension, public event. You've got to be a ****ing moron to decide to get in a fight at a match with so much publicity around potential violence.
doddisalegend Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 Listening to Langley, looks like they are off to Crown and some might even end up with some time in prison, lose their jobs etc etc... for something which would be a slap on the wrist if it happened anywhere else other than football. Seems a bit wrong to me. Authorites cracking down on football violence shocker:o The Police take a hardline on football violence so people can hardly be suprised. Quite frankly if you prepared to have a punch up with someone over their choice of football team you can excpect nothing less and they won't get any sympathy from me.
Langleysaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 Unless they had the brains of woodlice they must have known all this could happen if they were caught. So why get involved? No sympathy I'm afraid. I think you will find not many of the usual suspects and the one `s the OB want to get rid off from St Mary`s have been charged, the people arrested are the one`s who got involved in the emotion of the day, mainly normal fans who only got involved because it was the skates.
StuRomseySaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Author Posted 26 March, 2010 If it happens at a public event it is more serious, hence the move to the crown court. Getting in a scuffle at the Old Fat Cat is very different to getting in a scuffle at a highly publicised, high tension, public event. You've got to be a ****ing moron to decide to get in a fight at a match with so much publicity around potential violence. As Langley said... out of the 30 or so that have been arrested and charged, none are 'risk element' ... they are all normal fans who let their emotions rule and were naive to do it right in front of police handheld cameras... most have probably never been involved in football violence before in their life. Bit harsh locking them up, don't you think?
scott_saints Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 As for the "at a public event it's more serious", I'd bet my house that if someone was involved in a scuffle at a concert they wouldn't be taken to crown... Not that I condone it or anything. Just saying xx
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 As Langley said... out of the 30 or so that have been arrested and charged, none are 'risk element' ... they are all normal fans who let their emotions rule and were naive to do it right in front of police handheld cameras... most have probably never been involved in football violence before in their life. Bit harsh locking them up, don't you think? But that's the point. Getting caught up in the emotion means they could do it again. It's like saying you did something because you were angry. That's no defence. If they did little wrong then maybe they'll get a reduced sentence, although I doubt it myself. Still can't believe how stupid you have to be.
MorningtonCrescent Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 As Langley said... out of the 30 or so that have been arrested and charged, none are 'risk element' ... they are all normal fans who let their emotions rule and were naive to do it right in front of police handheld cameras... most have probably never been involved in football violence before in their life. Bit harsh locking them up, don't you think? Do you know them all then, Stu? My guess would be that some/all of these find upstanding citizens are not fans at all. Probably local "lads" who took the chance to get down to town for a rumble with the boys from down the road. The people I saw at the match, who were clearly looking for trouble, didn't look like regular match goers to me? So, a banning order would be pointless, wouldn't it? They don't watch Saints regularly anyway?! Just a theory, which may explain the reasoning to go up a level for sentencing? Either way - as many have said here - its time for people to grow up and see pre-meditated violence for no other reason that the support of a football team for what it is.... neanderthal and unnecessary. (you'd soon be moaning if the local in Portsmouth didn't support their local team..... "plastics" "JCLs" etc.......) In my humble opinion, of course.
StuRomseySaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Author Posted 26 March, 2010 As for the "at a public event it's more serious", I'd bet my house that if someone was involved in a scuffle at a concert they wouldn't be taken to crown... Not that I condone it or anything. Just saying xx It wouldn't, not would it if it happened at Rugby, at a music festival or any other public event. For throwing a stone or throwing a punch at any of the above you could expect an £80 fine.
View From The Top Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 It's a world cup year so tariffs are always higher with football related incidents. My B-I-L is one of the DS's invloved and they and the CPS want custodials if possible.
dune Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 It's a world cup year so tariffs are always higher with football related incidents. My B-I-L is one of the DS's invloved and they and the CPS want custodials if possible. Prison seems a bit harsh for what essentially is just a little scuffle that happens every night of the week at chucking out time all over britain.
Langleysaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 It's a world cup year so tariffs are always higher with football related incidents. My B-I-L is one of the DS's invloved and they and the CPS want custodials if possible. Way over the top for what actually happened , just an easy statistic , not making the streets any safer and costing us the tax payer extra money.
StuRomseySaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Author Posted 26 March, 2010 (edited) Do you know them all then, Stu? My guess would be that some/all of these find upstanding citizens are not fans at all. Probably local "lads" who took the chance to get down to town for a rumble with the boys from down the road. The people I saw at the match, who were clearly looking for trouble, didn't look like regular match goers to me? So, a banning order would be pointless, wouldn't it? They don't watch Saints regularly anyway?! Just a theory, which may explain the reasoning to go up a level for sentencing? Either way - as many have said here - its time for people to grow up and see pre-meditated violence for no other reason that the support of a football team for what it is.... neanderthal and unnecessary. (you'd soon be moaning if the local in Portsmouth didn't support their local team..... "plastics" "JCLs" etc.......) In my humble opinion, of course. I know a couple of them, yes, but I know they all don't drink in certain pubs which some of our more colourful characters drink in. The trouble happened directly outside the ground, so it involved people who were at the game. How on earth can you define if someone is a regular match goer???? You can't! And as for pre-meditated violence, the only people that pre-meditated it was the police, they wanted to get some 'easy nickings' of the Southampton youth, whose numbers are getting too much for them, but none of the usual suspects were stupid enough to throw missiles outside the ground so they have ended up nicking a bunch of nobodys. The police let the skates out at the same time on purpose in my opinion, to cause a reaction so they could get the camera out and make some nickings. Edited 26 March, 2010 by StuRomseySaint
Langleysaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 I know a couple of them, yes, but I know they all don't drink in certain pubs which some of our more colourful characters drink in. The trouble happened directly outside the ground, so it involved people who were at the game. How on earth can you define if someone is a regular match goer???? You can't! And as for pre-mediated violence, the only people that pre-mediated it was the police, they wanted to get some 'easy nickings' of the Southampton youth, whose numbers are getting too much for them, but none of the usual suspects were stupid enough to throw missiles outside the ground so they have ended up nicking a bunch of nobodys. The police let the skates out at the same time on purpose in my opinion, to cause a reaction so they could get the camera out and make some nickings. Spot on.
1576 Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 The police let the skates out at the same time on purpose in my opinion, to cause a reaction so they could get the camera out and make some nickings. Spot on. Didn't go quite to plan though did it.
Chez Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 often `football hooliganism' sentances in England don't really fit the crime, but the whole world knows the position so there is no point moaning about it afterwards.
wagon 84 Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 IF they miss Wembley which I'm not sure about would be a lot less than morons like that deserve. "Only skates" ? Does it matter, no place for that in Football. Anyone at the '76 Charity Shield match v Liverpool might remember a number of idiots throwing beer cans at the Liverpool team ( while 30,000 + of us applauded both teams.) Not only shamed us all but lead to the tunnel being extended, that was a nice legacy for the club don't you think. Wow! i didn't know that, nice one boys :-)
StuRomseySaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Author Posted 26 March, 2010 often `football hooliganism' sentances in England don't really fit the crime, but the whole world knows the position so there is no point moaning about it afterwards. Is throwing a stone classed as football hooliganism though? Or is it public disorder? The police seem to use any 'offence' anywhere near the stadium now and class it as football hooliganism just so they can throw the book at them.
RoundHill-Saint Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 That's rubbish... that's like saying Osama Bin Laden isn't an Arsenal fan just because he has killed a few hundred thousand people... he probably still looks out for Arsenal's results from his cave... which makes him a fan. love it, thats the best reply ive read in ages!!!
chocco boxo Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 Wow! i didn't know that, nice one boys :-) I remember a ball bearing being thrown at Emlyn Hughes (rip) that day!
norwaysaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 I'm sick of hearing StupidRomseySaint's "soft on crime", "be nice to the poor little criminals and give them a big cuddle instead" whining. Everybody knows that they will come down harder on crime at the football, so just don't get involved rather than crying about it afterwards. They knew what they were doing,they knew where they were. They knew there were extra police there for a reason, they knew anyone caught would be made an example of. Dry your eyes and take your punishment, or are they only hard men until they're caught? If you've got the sort of job that you'd lose if you were caught causing trouble at the footie, then don't cause trouble at the footie. Don't whinge about it afterwards and especially don't get your boyfriend to come sobbing about your hard luck story on a message board.
Turkish Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 The people I saw at the match, who were clearly looking for trouble, didn't look like regular match goers to me? So, a banning order would be pointless, wouldn't it? They don't watch Saints regularly anyway?! Just a theory, which may explain the reasoning to go up a level for sentencing? . What does a regular match goer looklike then?
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 At least they can say they were there when....................?? when what ? "we broke down some temporary fencing, then put it back up again BUT threw some stones and a plastic chair !"....don't really see a 'Soul Cellar' thread from the events of that day.
StuRomseySaint Posted 26 March, 2010 Author Posted 26 March, 2010 I'm sick of hearing StupidRomseySaint's "soft on crime", "be nice to the poor little criminals and give them a big cuddle instead" whining. Everybody knows that they will come down harder on crime at the football, so just don't get involved rather than crying about it afterwards. They knew what they were doing,they knew where they were. They knew there were extra police there for a reason, they knew anyone caught would be made an example of. Dry your eyes and take your punishment, or are they only hard men until they're caught? If you've got the sort of job that you'd lose if you were caught causing trouble at the footie, then don't cause trouble at the footie. Don't whinge about it afterwards and especially don't get your boyfriend to come sobbing about your hard luck story on a message board. You live in Norway, therefore your opinion is irrelevent.
dune Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 What does a regular match goer looklike then? steve bull, john w******d etc.
wessex saint Posted 26 March, 2010 Posted 26 March, 2010 It wouldn't, not would it if it happened at Rugby, at a music festival or any other public event. For throwing a stone or throwing a punch at any of the above you could expect an £80 fine. What a surprise... Stu in defend the chav mongs post!! There's a difference between banter and physical violence and these boys over stepped the mark; they would all have seen the hand held camcorders that were being used andif they were still stupid enough to get involved then they should take their punishment like a man. If it acts as a deterrent then good! Don't get me wrong - the whole episode was massively over hyped, but is an example of why I didn't bring my son to that game - I really don't want him to witness that type of pathetic behaviour first hand. Also think it's a shame that I have to pick and choose what games I can take him to based on the violent behaviour of these types.
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