Martin Samuel, Daily Mail on Coretese: "self serving" and a "buffoon"

[SaintRobbie]

Why anyone believes anything that is written in this paper is beyond me. Having twice had reporters banging on my front door in recent weeks and seeing a pack of lies written and published about me on Monday I can vouch for this newspapers absolute dis regard for the truth and penchance for nasty mischief making.

 

Anyone who buys this very unpleasant rag should be ashamed.

 

Is there really any point in calling Cortese a buffoon?

 

Love to see Cortese take on the Mail and ban it from SMS.

 

This will be the same Daily Mail that supported Rupert Lowe on a regular basis as the journalist were good friends of his? Bitter grapes perhaps Rupert?

 

I quite like Cortese, ambitious and errr... certainly doing a better job than The Daily Mail's old ally Rupert.

[Johnny Bognor]

and his arrogant 'untouchable' style is not dissimiliar to a Swiss Rupert albeit with slightly better contacts.

 

..... and a **** load of cash at his disposal.

[once_bitterne]

This will be the same Daily Mail that supported Rupert Lowe on a regular basis as the journalist were good friends of his? Bitter grapes perhaps Rupert?

 

I quite like Cortese, ambitious and errr... certainly doing a better job than The Daily Mail's old ally Rupert.

 

I think you are 100% wrong there. The article was written by Martin Samuels who truely hated Rupert Lowe. Samuels wrote the article accusing Lowe of treating Dave Jones 'shodily' and the paper who Samuels was working for at the time was taken to court by Lowe, a case that Lowe won.

[Redondo Saint]

Martin Samuel has only recently joined the Daily Wail and has struggled to prove he is worth the money they obviously had to pay to get him from The Thunderer. In general, he comes across as being a malcontent who always takes the opposite view to the norm.

 

This article is deliberate sh*t stirring to de-stabilise the club before it's success becomes unstoppable wrapped up in a way that at first sight appears to be on the side of the supporters but it isn't and don't be fooled.

 

Why else would Saints even get a mention in the Wail when they were in the premiership didn't even figure strong enough get more than a couple of lines, usually derogatory at that.

 

Samuel is a loose cannon best ignored.

 

Forget it!

 

Agreed.

 

He has put a totally negative spin on an open and honest interview in an attempt to be a friend of AP and the fans.

His article is a long way from how most Saints fans think and in my view a long way from the relationship between manager and chairman.

 

Another piece of poor journalism in the battle to save newspapers by being argumentative/controversial.

[John B]

This will be the same Daily Mail that supported Rupert Lowe on a regular basis as the journalist were good friends of his? Bitter grapes perhaps Rupert?

 

I quite like Cortese, ambitious and errr... certainly doing a better job than The Daily Mail's old ally Rupert.

 

Managing a club in League 1 with loads of dosh is much easier than managing a Club with no money in the Premier League so I am waiting before I make a decision on Cortese.

 

I think a lot of fans think Pardew should be left to get on with his job and that chairmen should keep a low profile which does not seem to happen at SFC

 

By the way I quite like being in League 1 last night £10 for a ticket a win 5 goals a couple of pints a good evening out

Edited 24 March, 2010 by John B

[JackanorySFC]

This will be the same Daily Mail that supported Rupert Lowe on a regular basis as the journalist were good friends of his? Bitter grapes perhaps Rupert?

 

I quite like Cortese, ambitious and errr... certainly doing a better job than The Daily Mail's old ally Rupert.

 

Errr,the columnist is Martin Samuel, who absolutely detested Lowe and was glowing about Saints fans giving us huge sympathy for a number of years. Sorry, can't just fob it off with "must be a load of rubbish as it's in the mail" his time. Lowe actually sued Samuel and The Times over a piece where MS slammed Lowe's treatment of Dave Jones.

[doddisalegend]

I would argue that from what we can see we can hope Cortese has the balance about right and hopefully he has learned some lessons about what even the fans consider reasonable expectations.

 

Cortese is not a million miles from Lowe and other CEO's who believe and rightly so that football should be run like any other business. However, it looks increasingly like that he believes his business management experience can be applied to the management of the team and what he has said publicly can only lead to undermine and demotivate it and that and his arrogant 'untouchable' style is not dissimiliar to a Swiss Rupert albeit with slightly better contacts.

 

A CEO should in public back his manager and other staff to the hilt and until he feels the need to do likewise at which point you simply dispense with their services. It's why the vote of confidence is so dreaded isn't it? Cortese's comments could be perceived as creating division among the ranks and unusually his current expectations are out of sync with the majority of the fan base and the season we have enjoyed to date.

 

I agree if NC had kept his thoughts just between him and AP, as it should have been this article wouldn't have been written. NC has every right to tell AP he is not happy but not in a public statement. I'd be ****ed if my boss decided to bollock me in front of the entire workplace rather than taking me aside and doing it properly. If he is going to do it in public then he should be man enough to come out and praise AP for the good stuff in public too.

[dune]

The Mail Echo link looks the most plausible reason for such a lengthy article on a provincial League 1 club that no-one outside of Hampshire cares about.

[Window Cleaner]

[quote=John B;

 

By the way I quite like being in League 1 last night £10 for a ticket a win 5 goals a couple of pints a good evening out

 

 

Yes but I guess if Messrs Cortese and Liebherr had wanted to be involved in League 1 for a while they could have arranged that for far less than the 20+ million £ that's it's cost so far. You have to relativise our situation .

Big money(well quite a lot)= Big Ambitions and Little Patience.

[Thedelldays]

what a ****

[Clifford Nelson]

Couldn't agree more. Pointless low-brow paper, read by middle management and OAPs unable to form a coherent argument of their own; but happy to soak up the rabid right wing views of it's owner to explain their career failings and their pointless existence.

 

Steady on now, there is no need to describe pensioners as being mentally challenged. Senility strikes some, and not always in their old age, but far from all.

 

You're also wrong that they and "middle management" are the readership of the paper. The right answer is actually WOMEN. The Mail has been spectacularly successful in attracting them to what is indeed a very poor newspaper, but a very good paper in spreading prejudicial right wing propaganda.

[John B]

The Mail Echo link looks the most plausible reason for such a lengthy article on a provincial League 1 club that no-one outside of Hampshire cares about.

 

I thought we were a big club and should be in the Premier League;)

[Professor]

The Buffoon here is the mail journo, Samual, who claims that the item published this week (in The Times) was an 'interview' with Cortese. It wasn't. It was an amalgam of all the comments that have been attributed to Cortese on the OS over weeks and months. It may have been cheap journalism by The Times, although it was nice to see Saints back in some prominence in a major newspaper. As Samuals has used it to attack Cortese, lets hope he doesn't take it laying down. Love to see Nicola suing him for libel.

[John B]

The Buffoon here is the mail journo, Samual, who claims that the item published this week (in The Times) was an 'interview' with Cortese. It wasn't. It was an amalgam of all the comments that have been attributed to Cortese on the OS over weeks and months. It may have been cheap journalism by The Times, although it was nice to see Saints back in some prominence in a major newspaper. As Samuals has used it to attack Cortese, lets hope he doesn't take it laying down. Love to see Nicola suing him for libel.

 

Sue him for what?

[JackanorySFC]

Pretty sure that the Daily Mail and Echo are owned by the same parent company...it could be me looking into it too much but maybe the daily mail is biased because of the echo thing...?

 

The Mail are owned by Associated Newspapers, The Echo are owned ny Newsquest (who's parent company is Gannet). No connection at all.

 

The "lazy", "shoddy" Martin Samuel is so lazy/ shoddy it's a wonder he won Sports Writer of The Year in 2002, 05, 06 and 08 and is the country's highest paid sports writer working for the 2nd most read daily newspaper in Britain (personally I don't I'm a Times man but heh ho, you have to admit it's a powerful medium) with over 5 million readers every day.

[Clifford Nelson]

In one respect the article warrants some further thought: People with money, or close to money, rung football clubs. They make decisions about managers, hiring and firing them. In neither respect are they much qualified in judging managers.

 

Contrary to most of them NC actually acknowledged this weakness when he arrived, and intended to appoint a Sporting Director, who would have the skills and experience needed to make these judgements. For this we all ought to have been grateful.

 

There are now some signs, and I hope that I'm wrong, that NC may start believing that the game isn't very complicated at all and that he may already be qualified enough to do without any sporting/footballing expertise in the boardroom. I sincerely hope that this is not the case, but evidence suggests that I may be wrong.

 

The footballing solidity of the club is actually quite weak, and consists of a manager and a few coaches who has got a few months in the job, and not a soul on the board. Every time we have changed manager we have also returned to Year Zero.

[Thedelldays]

Samuel is one of a group of ****s that make me want to smash my TV in if I flick on to sky sports on a sunday morning..

 

watching him and his mates pontificate about football and knowing in a few weeks they will be wrong is some of the worst telly you can get

[Cabrone]

I don't care what Samuel says, as far as I'm concerned NC saved this club by getting his rich friend to buy us and then went on to persuade him to give us sufficient funds to hire a decent manager and rebuild our team with some good players.

 

We haven't had as good a season as this since arguably the 80s and it's basically down to NC.

 

This ambitious guy is a total breath of fresh air as far as I'm concerned. Long may it continue.

 

Now just enjoy it and stop obsessing over what some irrelevant hack spouts off.

 

Wembley is what you need to focus on.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

Samuel is one of a group of ****s that make me want to smash my TV in if I flick on to sky sports on a sunday morning..

 

Anyone who gets out of breath sitting down talking is someone I do not care to see or listen to.

 

Is calling someone a little monster libelous ? is it defamation ? is it simply character assassination ? I don't know what recourse is open to NC, I would like to know Samuels motive

[saint_mears]

Anyone who gets out of breath sitting down talking is someone I do not care to see or listen to.

 

Is calling someone a little monster libelous ? is it defamation ? is it simply character assassination ? I don't know what recourse is open to NC, I would like to know Samuels motive

 

 

Samuels motive seems to be the Daily Echo editor by all accounts.

[Huntingdon]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1259684/BA-Unite-strikes-Willie-Walsh-vows-win-war-attrition.html

 

Personally I think the shoes are far worse fashion crimes than the pink jacket! I can't believe he wears that stuff when not on duty, it must be the sort of Geography Teacher casualwear clothes that one wears when leving one's large house to stand on the picket line with people who actually serve the drinks.

 

 

 

PMSL

 

Everyone in my office was reading that article & agreed people like Holley are just the sort of tossers this country could do without

 

Can't believe it's FF!

 

[Redondo Saint]

We haven't had as good a season as this since arguably the 80s and it's basically down to NC.

 

 

You can't be serious? We are in Div 3! I think most of us would rather be mid table in the Prem.

 

Other than that statement we agree!

[John B]

You can't be serious? We are in Div 3! I think most of us would rather be mid table in the Prem.

 

Other than that statement we agree!

 

As I said before enjoyed last night good win five goals £10 not too much traffic

 

What can the Premier League offer me?

[Redondo Saint]

West Ham fan Martin Samuel in piece suggesting that ex-West Hammer Alan Pardew might be a good pick for a club higher up the leagues the day after Zola's team get trounced at home. Hmmm. I'm sure there's a connection here but I just can't quite see it. Press conference at 4pm? (joke)

Mind you, Cortese is right - we have thrown away too many points. Samuel is right though with the general sentiment that it takes time to blend a team and that he's doing okay at the mo.

I wouldn't lay bets against Pardew going to West Ham after the cup final is done and dusted.

 

Agree about Samuel writing to another agenda but don't think AP would return to West Ham. The fans gave him a rough time during the end of his tenure there and I am sure he hasn't forgotten.

[VectisSaint]

You can't be serious? We are in Div 3! I think most of us would rather be mid table in the Prem.

 

Other than that statement we agree!

I want Saints to return to the Prem, but not sure its any more enjoyable being mid table Prem than Top 6 Div3. Actually would be more happy being Top 6 Championship I think.

[trousers]

90% of Saintsweb forum members in "The Daily Mail and all it's readers are idiots" shocker

 

Good to see the Daily Mail and it's critics have something in common though...

[saintkiptanui]

Samuel is one of a group of ****s that make me want to smash my TV in if I flick on to sky sports on a sunday morning..

 

watching him and his mates pontificate about football and knowing in a few weeks they will be wrong is some of the worst telly you can get

Agreed, they are horrific people who try to find any angle to any story to try and make themselves sound clued up, total c8nts.

[Red&White]

Wasn't this guy a bit of a Lowe Luvvie?

 

Not even going to bother to read the article - and someone has already said tomorrow's fish and chip paper.

 

You are right he was..........ignore the nob

[Redondo Saint]

I want Saints to return to the Prem, but not sure its any more enjoyable being mid table Prem than Top 6 Div3. Actually would be more happy being Top 6 Championship I think.

 

Having a good go at the top teams in the Premiership is better than having a good go at Huddersfield or Preston in my opinion.

 

I agree it's great to be winning games on a regular basis and I am sorry not to be able to go every week and enjoy it, but I would prefer to be in Stoke or Birmingham's position than ours in relation to league status.

 

The '80s and '90s were indeed enjoyable because we were in the highest league, we could attract great players and would regularly beat the 'big' clubs

 

It would not have been as enjoyable had we not been in Div 1.

[John Boy Saint]

The trouble is everyone including on here has picked up on the "not good enough" comment and just added water to make it expand into a Chinese whispers scenario. The thing to remember is news paper, text messaging and emails lack any emotion and the former (by choice) context. That said NC comes from a world where if you do not cut the mustard you are found out quickly, so what he might say thinking is a gentile gee up in his world is seen in football as a negative........... and the backing of the board is a positive sign in football!!???

 

When the sport of sacking managers willy-nilly starts again then I will be concerned.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

PMSL

 

Everyone in my office was reading that article & agreed people like Holley are just the sort of tossers this country could do without

 

Can't believe it's FF!

 

 

All I can say is if you and the people in your office believe anything that you read in the Daily Mail and then make a judgement on someone, then that says more about you than anything else.

But hey, don't worry about it - if you think I am a tosser because of what you read in the Mail so be it.

I will meet you anytime for a beer and maybe you can then make your mind up having met me?

[doddisalegend]

Having a good go at the top teams in the Premiership is better than having a good go at Huddersfield or Preston in my opinion.

 

I agree it's great to be winning games on a regular basis and I am sorry not to be able to go every week and enjoy it, but I would prefer to be in Stoke or Birmingham's position than ours in relation to league status.

 

The '80s and '90s were indeed enjoyable because we were in the highest league, we could attract great players and would regularly beat the 'big' clubs

 

It would not have been as enjoyable had we not been in Div 1.

 

Rose tinted glasses much? I think you mean we lost all our great players (bar the legend that is Matty) and occasionally beat a top side while losing and drawing with a lot of not so great sides. The Media line that the EPL is the only football that is worth while in the world runs deep among saints fans it seems.

[The Rover]

All I can say is if you and the people in your office believe anything that you read in the Daily Mail and then make a judgement on someone, then that says more about you than anything else.

But hey, don't worry about it - if you think I am a tosser because of what you read in the Mail so be it.

I will meet you anytime for a beer and maybe you can then make your mind up having met me?

 

The Daily Mail (a legacy of the great Lord Rothermere) has been pursuing truth and justice for many years. See this from Wikipaedia:

 

On 10 July 1933, Rothermere wrote an editorial titled "Youth Triumphant" in support of Adolf Hitler, this was subsequently used as propaganda by the Nazis.[23] In early 1934, Rothermere and the Mail were editorially sympathetic to Oswald Mosley and the radical National Socialist British Union of Fascists.[24] Rothermere wrote an article entitled "Hurrah for the Blackshirts", in January 1934, praising Mosley for his "sound, commonsense, Conservative doctrine".[25] During the great abdication crisis of 1936, the Daily Mail supported the King, but was only joined by the Daily Express, Evening Standard and Evening News.[26]

 

Rothermere was a friend and supporter of both Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler, which influenced the Mail's political stance towards them up to 1939.[27][28] Rothermere visited and corresponded with Hitler. On 1 October 1938, Rothermere sent Hitler a telegram in support of Germany's invasion of the Sudetenland, and expressing the hope that 'Adolf the Great' would become a popular figure in Britain.

 

I wouldn't believe a word they said about anything.

 

Duncan comes across as a decent genuine guy to me although I don't know him personally.

 

What the Mail have done on that article looks little short of victimisation to me. Whatever Duncan's working arrangements with BA and Unite are they're feck all to do with the general public. The Daily Mail's attempt to Scargillise him are risible imho.

[saintkiptanui]

Rose tinted glasses much? I think you mean we lost all our great players (bar the legend that is Matty) and occasionally beat a top side while losing and drawing with a lot of not so great sides. The Media line that the EPL is the only football that is worth while in the world runs deep among saints fans it seems.

 

I think you may be wrong, while what you say is true for most of the 90's it certainly isn't for the early-mid 80's.

[teamsaint]

Can't really comment on NC, other than to pick up on a couple of points .

Firstly in the interview, when asked about staff car parking spaces, he did come over as rather too tough.small point though.

also, can't really see how the all too obvious public pressure on AP is helpful. IF NC is not aware of the desperate need for stability at SMS, then he needs to be made aware of it.However, AP can no doubt look after himself.

 

I wonder though, how fans might react if , for instance,ST or matchday prices take some sudden hikes.

 

Not trying to say anything against him, just wondering how we will react if/when things go against us, as a club, or as fans.

[John B]

I think you may be wrong, while what you say is true for most of the 90's it certainly isn't for the early-mid 80's.

 

I think since the introduction of the Premier League as you say we were hardly very successful except on the odd occassion and I cannot see that changing if and when we return

[dune]

All I can say is if you and the people in your office believe anything that you read in the Daily Mail and then make a judgement on someone, then that says more about you than anything else.

But hey, don't worry about it - if you think I am a tosser because of what you read in the Mail so be it.

I will meet you anytime for a beer and maybe you can then make your mind up having met me?

 

You are well aware that I personally think the strike is petty, but perhaps i'm wrong because i'm not fully aware of the issues. What I will say though is that everyone who kind of knows you from here will pretty much have come to the conclusion that the article was one sided and completely in tune with the opinion of the paper. The worst part about it (and it'd be foolish for you to comment on this) is that it would seem that personal information was disclosed from your employer. You find yourself in a battle of attrition and there's some serious money involved so i'd assume you will have prepared yourself to expect some dirty tricks. The article was clearly a three pronged attack - win public support / divide and rule / try to rattle to ring leaders. You have complete control over whether you get rattled or not and you also have a degree of control over the other points. Be smart.

[up and away]

I would argue that from what we can see we can hope Cortese has the balance about right and hopefully he has learned some lessons about what even the fans consider reasonable expectations.

 

Cortese is not a million miles from Lowe and other CEO's who believe and rightly so that football should be run like any other business. However, it looks increasingly like that he believes his business management experience can be applied to the management of the team and what he has said publicly can only lead to undermine and demotivate it and that and his arrogant 'untouchable' style is not dissimiliar to a Swiss Rupert albeit with slightly better contacts.

 

A CEO should in public back his manager and other staff to the hilt and until he feels the need to do likewise at which point you simply dispense with their services. It's why the vote of confidence is so dreaded isn't it? Cortese's comments could be perceived as creating division among the ranks and unusually his current expectations are out of sync with the majority of the fan base and the season we have enjoyed to date.

 

Cortese is the driving force behind saints, not Pardew. Pardew is an important part of that, but it's Cortese that provides the direction, finance and goals, not Pardew. Without Cortese backed by Liebherrs money, Pardew would just be an extension of what we saw at Charlton. There are several managers who have done very well in this league, especially with no money. Even Norwich I doubt get within 20% of our spend when you factor in wages.

 

When a manager goes into print and states he did exactly the opposite to what the CEO directed, the response from Cortese was very low key. All Cortese said was that the league was the top, top priority and we should be further on than where we are in the league. Pardew is lucky to have any legs left after going against Cortese in such a manner, surprised the response was so muted. Pardew has done nothing near sufficient to come near what Cortese has already done, in time possibly.

 

Nope, Cortese has got this just about spot on so far and although I believe we have failed so far this season in the league, still believe Pardew should and will be kept on for the start of next season. If Pardew wants money to spend I am sure he will get it, but he has to show a return on that investment on the pitch.

[John B]

Cortese is the driving force behind saints, not Pardew. Pardew is an important part of that, but it's Cortese that provides the direction, finance and goals, not Pardew. Without Cortese backed by Liebherrs money, Pardew would just be an extension of what we saw at Charlton. There are several managers who have done very well in this league, especially with no money. Even Norwich I doubt get within 20% of our spend when you factor in wages.

 

When a manager goes into print and states he did exactly the opposite to what the CEO directed, the response from Cortese was very low key. All Cortese said was that the league was the top, top priority and we should be further on than where we are in the league. Pardew is lucky to have any legs left after going against Cortese in such a manner, surprised the response was so muted. Pardew has done nothing near sufficient to come near what Cortese has already done, in time possibly.

 

Nope, Cortese has got this just about spot on so far and although I believe we have failed so far this season in the league, still believe Pardew should and will be kept on for the start of next season. If Pardew wants money to spend I am sure he will get it, but he has to show a return on that investment on the pitch.

 

Dont think the playoffs were ever realistic after our very poor start but the JPT was.

 

 

Cortese has a simplistic approach that money wins games which I think Samuel disagrees with and so do I

 

Nothing is guaranteed in football as Leeds may now find out Cortese needs to understand that as there are so many things which are out of the control of the manager like injuries referee decisions suspensions and ****ups from players

[Joesaint]

NC saved the club, I had read a few things he has written before but not now he clearly is a c**k \and is trying to create storys.

[dune]

Cortese has a simplistic approach that money wins games which I think Samuel disagrees with and so do I

 

Money when spent correctly does win games.

[John B]

Money when spent correctly does win games.

 

You are right eventually it will but not always at the first attempt.

 

 

Sometimes players who are bought are not good enough like the lot bought by Burley but most bought by Pardew seem OK

[CanadaSaint]

When a manager goes into print and states he did exactly the opposite to what the CEO directed, the response from Cortese was very low key. All Cortese said was that the league was the top, top priority and we should be further on than where we are in the league. Pardew is lucky to have any legs left after going against Cortese in such a manner, surprised the response was so muted.

 

And I wouldn't be at all surprised if Cortese concludes that there's "inside information" behind Samuel's article, and draws his own conclusions about where it came from. If so - given that Cortese's ego might well be bruised by that article, anything could happen. After Sunday.

 

Nope, Cortese has got this just about spot on so far and although I believe we have failed so far this season in the league, still believe Pardew should and will be kept on for the start of next season. If Pardew wants money to spend I am sure he will get it, but he has to show a return on that investment on the pitch.

 

And I'm NOT sure he will get those funds. As I've said before, my fear is that Cortese won't release much Summer money to Pardew because he can argue that he already did that without seeing his (Cortese's) desired return.

 

I just don't want to see us caught in a twilight where Cortese won't fire Pardew but won't back him either.

[dune]

And I wouldn't be at all surprised if Cortese concludes that there's "inside information" behind Samuel's article.

 

I'm sure he'd be wrong if he did conclude this. The editor of the Echo is the most likely source for the stirring.

[John B]

NC saved the club, I had read a few things he has written before but not now he clearly is a c**k \and is trying to create storys.

 

I dont think like you NC bought the club to make some money if he just wanted to save it he would be happy with the situation today but I dont think he is because he wants more.

 

I think it was the Cortese interview on the BBC which was where the Daily Mail Story came from

Edited 24 March, 2010 by John B

[doddisalegend]

I think you may be wrong, while what you say is true for most of the 90's it certainly isn't for the early-mid 80's.

 

Early 80s possibly but I was only a wee nipper then;) I don't have strong memories apart from always wanting to be Peter Shilton when ever we played football.

[sadoldgit]

Why does Cortese not see that? He never said that. He said results should have been better, we should be higher up, which we should. Doesn't mean AP hasn't assembled a good squad playing good football. He's obviously confident enough in the job that's been done to be hopeful about the future and give AP more time.

 

Just the Mail trying to stir things up. Let's be honest, they want Cortese to sack Pardew and make things worse so they can moan about stupid foreign chairman not giving managers a chance.

 

I don't think I have ever heard him saying anything complementary about Pardew and our season. Let's face it, it has been our best season for years. Yes of course any team can always do better and I am sure every one of us who would rather be higher up the league, but there is no corrrelation between spending money and a higher league place and that is what NC doesn't seem to grasp. It is going to take time and he would do well to back his manager in public, even if he might have words behind closed doors.

 

For all of LOwe's faluts he did not hang his managers out to dry (and he had a few!). He took te attitude that it was better that people had a pop at him and left the manager alone. I get the impression with Nicola in that he is making damn sure from day 1 that no flak goes his way!

[John B]

Early 80s possibly but I was only a wee nipper then;) I don't have strong memories apart from always wanting to be Peter Shilton when ever we played football.

 

Did we not get to two FA cup Semi Finals in the mid to late 80s

 

1989/1990

Barclays First Division

7th

 

1988/1989

Barclays First Division

13th

 

 

1987/1988

Barclays First Division

12th

 

1986/1987

Today First Division

12th

1985/1986

Canon First Division

14th

 

 

1993/1994

F.A. Carling Premiership

18th

 

1992/1993

F.A. Carling Premiership

18th

1991/1992

Barclays First Division

16th

1990/1991

Barclays First Division

14th

Edited 24 March, 2010 by John B

[sadoldgit]

I agree. In the interview, he plainly states that there is no rift between him and Pardew.

 

Precious little support either. I agree that calling him a buffoon was a bit strong, but then we have had CEOs who have been called far worse!

[doddisalegend]

Did we not get to two FA cup Semi Finals in the mid to late 80s

1989/1990

Barclays First Division

7th

 

1988/1989

Barclays First Division

13th

 

 

1987/1988

Barclays First Division

12th

 

1986/1987

Today First Division

12th

1985/1986

Canon First Division

14th

 

83-84 season I think. Mid table in the late 80s then. Still most seem happy with that if we get back to the EPL espiecally those who don't except second best;)