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krissyboy31

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Firstly I've seen plenty of decent goalkeepers below the Premier. Secondly in my opinion to improve the team he should be replaced. Thirdly he didn't go to WHU because his family didn't want to move and I'm sure apart from the contract, sitting on the bench week after week didn't appeal to him when set against a decent contract insitu with regular football.

 

As for loyalty, there is no such thing in football. If the player is good enough and he is happy he stays. If he is surplus to requirements or can get more money/better football regularly he will move no matter how long a contract is to run.

 

If we are to fulfill the ambition of the Premier in another four seasons it is highly possible that none of the current side will still be first team regulars then. With that in mind I happen to think that all the present first team are expendable if we can improve their positions as we move forward.

Pretty much agree with all of that.

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yorkie

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Just watched the highlights - we we're very unlucky by the looks of it!

 

Still bitterly disappointed at the result - but that's the difference in every league. Get a bit of luck and steal the points.

 

Heads up boys - it was a lot worse following the game on here than being there. At least you can see what's happening.

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Grassmole

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When will you finally accept that we are League 1 and keepers who are not only great shotstoppers but take crosses etc etc etc do not play in the 3rd tier of their leagues.

How many times in the last few seasons have we been thankful for KD for keeping us in the game?

 

That is the same tired old line you have been spouting even when he was between the sticks in our play-off semi-final v Derby, Nick. So, will you now admit he wasn't good enough for us when we were promotion chasing to the Prem? Do you finally agree he is a 3rd tier keeper?

Quite what it is you have for KD is alarming. He's ok at this level, but was NEVER good enough for us when were 6th in the Championship. He cost us so many points that season, and the next. You have a very chequered memory Nick, but at least be man enough to now admit that you were wrong about him that season. Do it, or you cannot command any respect for your opinions as they are being shown for what they are.

 

Anyway, sunny day, keep smiling!

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Sour Mash

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That is the same tired old line you have been spouting even when he was between the sticks in our play-off semi-final v Derby, Nick. So, will you now admit he wasn't good enough for us when we were promotion chasing to the Prem? Do you finally agree he is a 3rd tier keeper?

Quite what it is you have for KD is alarming. He's ok at this level, but was NEVER good enough for us when were 6th in the Championship. He cost us so many points that season, and the next. You have a very chequered memory Nick, but at least be man enough to now admit that you were wrong about him that season. Do it, or you cannot command any respect for your opinions as they are being shown for what they are.

 

Anyway, sunny day, keep smiling!

 

Have a word with yourself mush, Kelvin Davis has been excellent for us this season. All keepers make the occasional mistake, but he's comfortably good enough for this level.

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Grassmole

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Have a word with yourself mush, Kelvin Davis has been excellent for us this season. All keepers make the occasional mistake, but he's comfortably good enough for this level.

 

Mush? As stated in my post, yes he is good enough at this level, just not at a promotion-chasing top Championship side as we were a few years back when nickh used to say the same things he is now - "he's a great Championship GK" etc. I was addressing that point of view from him, as plainly stated.

 

Read the post you were replying to again, mush, and try thinking what the words mean when put together in order. Oh dear.

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Window Cleaner

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As a shotstopper Davis is top drawer, as a taker of crosses he is generally dire, as most

of the time he is rooted to his line. What to all you Davis luvvies is difficult to comphrehend about that.

 

 

Because they only see the flashy tinselled desperation saves and don't give any thought to the more humdrum and routine.It's why flash Harry strikers that score 40 goals a season always get the press awards and grim central defenders often get the vote of their peers.

 

KD doesn't command his box and his distribution is f*ck awful but apart from that he's not so bad,provided opposition striker keep raking them in from 20 yards. Austin suckered him, and he's just out of Poole Town.

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Saint_clark

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Yeah, FFS why are we settling for Davis, we should be playing someone who is a top shot stopper, commands his box, can throw to the half way line, can kick the ball onto a six pence, and can pluck the ball out of the air ahead of any striker in the world. Someone like Peter Cech or Iker Casillas. FFS, why don't we have keepers like that?

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I love the way people say shot stopper like some sort of insult. The first job of a keeper is to stop the ball going in the back of the net I've seen KD make more great saves than I care to remember as well as fair number of penalties. As far as I'm concerened he is more than good enough.

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I love the way people say shot stopper like some sort of insult. The first job of a keeper is to stop the ball going in the back of the net I've seen KD make more great saves than I care to remember as well as fair number of penalties. As far as I'm concerened he is more than good enough.

 

 

Shot stopping isn't enough in modern football, a goal keeper is the first link in the distribution chain. I prefer Bart, sometimes shaky but so much more competent on crosses and starting out our attacks.I think falling over ourselves to retain KD was a bit of a bad move really. We could have let him go and got someone more competent on CROSSES. He wouldn't lose out, we'd get a better keeper, especially with the defence we started our campaign with. No place for a flapper in goal with Perry,Thomas and Lancashire at the back.

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AndyNorthernSaints

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Shot stopping isn't enough in modern football, a goal keeper is the first link in the distribution chain. I prefer Bart, sometimes shaky but so much more competent on crosses and starting out our attacks.I think falling over ourselves to retain KD was a bit of a bad move really. We could have let him go and got someone more competent on CROSSES. He wouldn't lose out, we'd get a better keeper, especially with the defence we started our campaign with. No place for a flapper in goal with Perry,Thomas and Lancashire at the back.

 

I'd rather have a great shot stopper than someone who who is good at catching crosses. With Jaidi/Fonte/HardingThomas we have enough height to win balls in our box. I find it amazing that Davis is once again the scapegoat forsome peole on here for a defeat. I don't seem to recall many mistakes this season or last. In fact last season Davis single handedly stoped teams thrashing Saints most games i saw and seemed to be one of the only players to actually care.

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I love the way people say shot stopper like some sort of insult. The first job of a keeper is to stop the ball going in the back of the net I've seen KD make more great saves than I care to remember as well as fair number of penalties. As far as I'm concerened he is more than good enough.

 

Maybe Davis has not saved enough penalties this season for some people :-(

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Shot stopping isn't enough in modern football, a goal keeper is the first link in the distribution chain. I prefer Bart, sometimes shaky but so much more competent on crosses and starting out our attacks.I think falling over ourselves to retain KD was a bit of a bad move really. We could have let him go and got someone more competent on CROSSES. He wouldn't lose out, we'd get a better keeper, especially with the defence we started our campaign with. No place for a flapper in goal with Perry,Thomas and Lancashire at the back.

Lol Bart...IMo he doesnt do crosses that well either. You'd prefer someone who takes crosses more than a shot stopper!! it is laughable. Yep a keeper who takes crosses is better than one who makes match winning saves. Have a word with yourselves

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That is the same tired old line you have been spouting even when he was between the sticks in our play-off semi-final v Derby, Nick. So, will you now admit he wasn't good enough for us when we were promotion chasing to the Prem? Do you finally agree he is a 3rd tier keeper?

Quite what it is you have for KD is alarming. He's ok at this level, but was NEVER good enough for us when were 6th in the Championship. He cost us so many points that season, and the next. You have a very chequered memory Nick, but at least be man enough to now admit that you were wrong about him that season. Do it, or you cannot command any respect for your opinions as they are being shown for what they are.

 

Anyway, sunny day, keep smiling!

I dont have anything to to be man about on this issue. I assume you like some others listened to Sunderland fans who told you Davis was no good. The same type of comments would have given to other clubs fans from the knowledgeable on here about Fuller or Kevin Davies etc etc.

Yes KD did make an awful mistake from a free kick against PNE and another against QPR, I haven't seen many glaring mistakes since then, i dont recall him letting in any howlers against Derby but i do recall a Pele giving away a stupid penalty and Saga missing a couple of sitters but lets blame our keeper Lol.In fact i think you will find that he was the away fans player of the season in one of those seasons you mention

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Don't know but apparently it was for the DOF role and the interview lasted 2 hours at a top hotel in Southampton.....as I said came from a taxi driver. ;-)

 

It's that particular time frame we are trying to check for obvious reasons and it wasn't a taxi driver.

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Charlie Wayman

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I've just read the crap spilled out by Dean Wilkins on the OS today...

 

What the **** is the Loonie on? We really are deep in the brown stuff when idiots like him come up with **** like that expect to be taken seriously by us.

 

These must be desperate times indeed down in the office block at Staplewood. Nothing to do except put out good PR in case the BIG Boss hadn't notice we are playing crap. If Wilkins is becoming paranoid and certifiable, Pardew can't be far off...

 

If your phones are dead when you pick 'em up in the morning lads you'll know your time is up. Don't call us we'll call you.

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Sorry but read all the messages on here and most say the same things. We lump it FAR TOO OFTEN !!!!

Pardew doesn't appear to like too much football. This overall aspect has not changed since the very first games - TOO MANY LONG BALLS !!! We need to start playing a passing game and quick!!

442 is not for every game either. More imagination or perhaps I should say thought needs to be put into our game but again, this has been the case on many occasions this season. Our approach is not sophisticated enough. I'm not so sure about English 'Football' men any more. Many have had their day - a more mature approach is definatley required......

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Sorry but read all the messages on here and most say the same things. We lump it FAR TOO OFTEN !!!!

Pardew doesn't appear to like too much football. This overall aspect has not changed since the very first games - TOO MANY LONG BALLS !!! We need to start playing a passing game and quick!!

442 is not for every game either. More imagination or perhaps I should say thought needs to be put into our game but again, this has been the case on many occasions this season. Our approach is not sophisticated enough. I'm not so sure about English 'Football' men any more. Many have had their day - a more mature approach is definatley required......

 

Yeah lets get a couple of Dutch total football wizards to take over we could could call them coaches instead of managers, heaven forbid that an English team should play football the English way. We've played plenty of good football this season. The long ball comes into play when things don't go our way and the players resort to route one for lack of a better idea, weather they're told to do this by AP is debetable. I've seen it twice this season Brighton and Tuesday, I've seen plenty of games were the long ball was not evident at all.

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Maybe Davis has not saved enough penalties this season for some people :-(

 

Apparently not.

This must be Kelvin's 3rd turn at being whipping boy now.

MAybe it's because Lloyd James has been injured.

I know...let's start on Lallana again?

:rolleyes:

 

Forget it - let's start on Lambert. Did you notice the way he didn't score on Tuesday. He only hit the bar.

 

Useless.

 

Lambert out!

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I've just read the crap spilled out by Dean Wilkins on the OS today...

 

What the **** is the Loonie on? We really are deep in the brown stuff when idiots like him come up with **** like that expect to be taken seriously by us.

 

These must be desperate times indeed down in the office block at Staplewood. Nothing to do except put out good PR in case the BIG Boss hadn't notice we are playing crap. If Wilkins is becoming paranoid and certifiable, Pardew can't be far off...

 

If your phones are dead when you pick 'em up in the morning lads you'll know your time is up. Don't call us we'll call you.

 

Just read the crap posted above by our forum loonie...

Please go away....Charlie

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Yeah lets get a couple of Dutch total football wizards to take over we could could call them coaches instead of managers, heaven forbid that an English team should play football the English way. We've played plenty of good football this season. The long ball comes into play when things don't go our way and the players resort to route one for lack of a better idea, weather they're told to do this by AP is debetable. I've seen it twice this season Brighton and Tuesday, I've seen plenty of games were the long ball was not evident at all.

 

 

I take it you have not been to many games then! Or perhaps you were wearing rose tinted glasses...

May I remind you also that the Dutch had precisely the sum total of two peanuts to spend on their team not the luxury that AP has enjoyed this season of signing about 15 players and being the 10th highest spenders in the whole of the football league and premiership.....You cannot compare the opportunity afforded to AP and Portfliet.

To be reasonable for a moment lets talk about here and now and not comparisons that cannot be compared in the same breath - If you are going to knock the dutch.

Lets see how AP would have done under Lowe with no money and a load of teeagers to compete in the champoinship - ummmm thought not..........

AP has brought in some good players but the team's tactical structure is very messy and too often non productive, too often AP is out thought by opposing managers with no resources at all to call upon. This is what worries me and I just don't see what will change just because it's 'next season'........I will concede though that he has been out thought by mostly British managers.......

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I take it you have not been to many games then! Or perhaps you were wearing rose tinted glasses...

May I remind you also that the Dutch had precisely the sum total of two peanuts to spend on their team not the luxury that AP has enjoyed this season of signing about 15 players and being the 10th highest spenders in the whole of the football league and premiership.....You cannot compare the opportunity afforded to AP and Portfliet.

To be reasonable for a moment lets talk about here and now and not comparisons that cannot be compared in the same breath - If you are going to knock the dutch.

Lets see how AP would have done under Lowe with no money and a load of teeagers to compete in the champoinship - ummmm thought not..........

AP has brought in some good players but the team's tactical structure is very messy and too often non productive, too often AP is out thought by opposing managers with no resources at all to call upon. This is what worries me and I just don't see what will change just because it's 'next season'........I will concede though that he has been out thought by mostly British managers.......

 

Ok The dutch wizards had Morgan and Lallana, we sold Surman and Mcgoldrick (both regulars) for what 2.5mil? so that covers Fonte and Lambert in the money stakes. Ap has picked up several good frees and loans this season, how many good frees did the dutch duo pick up? (one maybe in that Dutch centre back). Both Morgan and Lallana look far better players this year than last becuase of better coaching from AP. AP has brought our young players on be leaps and bounds this season, something the supposedly youth orientated dutch clowns couldn't do. Lets turn your question around how would the dutch duo do with APs resources in league one ...............most likely no different. They where out of thier depth and did not understand English football just look at the amazing jobs they went onto after leaving us to judge their quaility as coaches /managers. While some of APs game tactics might be puzzling at times he gets far more out of our players (including thier respect) than those two clowns from last year ever could.

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