Saint in Paradise Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 The descriptive words I know just couldn't describe this amazing short video in this link, well IMHO anyway http://www.flixxy.com/hubble-ultra-deep-field-3d.htm :cool::cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 Nice. Has anyone been watching the BBC2 Solar System programmes? Are they worth a download? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 And we go on, blindly thinking that we are the only planet with life on it? When I get to thinking about it I get an overload in my head because I just can't beging to imagine the size or placing of anything. As they say in the clip, we have no context apart from this beautiful blue globe* which we live on. * OK pedants, oblate spheroid if you must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 Nice. Has anyone been watching the BBC2 Solar System programmes? Are they worth a download? Absolutely. The presenter has such enthusiasm for his subject that it's infectious. My two boys (7 and 11) were riveted to it both last week and this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 Absolutely. The presenter has such enthusiasm for his subject that it's infectious. My two boys (7 and 11) were riveted to it both last week and this. Yeah, I'd heard the presenter was worth looking out for. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 makes you realise just how small and insignificant we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint boggy Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 Nice. Has anyone been watching the BBC2 Solar System programmes? Are they worth a download? yeh, i've been watching it....it's great , and like others have said ,the presenter is really enthusiastic and is in as much awe and wonder at the subject matter as i am.The way he explains the complex workings of the galaxies is really simple,so great for older kids too . Some of the images shown on there are truly beautiful...DEFINATLEY worth an hour on the iPlayer :smt023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 Nice. Has anyone been watching the BBC2 Solar System programmes? Are they worth a download? Yes, and yes he is enthusiastic. Personally, I was a little let down by it, as it didn't really say anything that I didn't know already. That said, if you know nothing, then it's a real eye opener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altoniansaints Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 not seen it but that link was humbling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 The descriptive words I know just couldn't describe this amazing short video in this link, well IMHO anyway http://www.flixxy.com/hubble-ultra-deep-field-3d.htm :cool::cool: Saw the first one last week, but missed the second one. Yeah, it is pretty good, but don't think that it will teach you huge amounts. There's a fair amount of oohs and aahs, and actually, it's slimmer on the science, than I thought it might be. Incidentally, the presenter is Prof Brian Cox, ex-keyboards with D:Ream. They'll be getting Brian May to present something next, no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 Absolutely. The presenter has such enthusiasm for his subject that it's infectious. My two boys (7 and 11) were riveted to it both last week and this. Is it that guy who grins inanely all the time? So annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 Incidentally, the presenter is Prof Brian Cox Ahh, I see it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 Is the video being voiced by a robot?! Well interesting though, that sort of stuff, mind boggling also. How people can say we are alone in this universe I don't know. Each one of those galaxies have millions of stars in it. Each one of those stars could have numerous planets around it, just like our sun. It's fascinating and mind boggling and quite scary. We're so insignificant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdearlove Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 You can follow Brian Cox on Twitter. He actually has some interesting posts. http://twitter.com/ProfBrianCox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 And we go on, blindly thinking that we are the only planet with life on it? When I get to thinking about it I get an overload in my head because I just can't beging to imagine the size or placing of anything. As they say in the clip, we have no context apart from this beautiful blue globe* which we live on. * OK pedants, oblate spheroid if you must. TBF it could still very well be the case that we are alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 Is the video being voiced by a robot?! Well interesting though, that sort of stuff, mind boggling also. How people can say we are alone in this universe I don't know. Each one of those galaxies have millions of stars in it. Each one of those stars could have numerous planets around it, just like our sun. It's fascinating and mind boggling and quite scary. We're so insignificant. Global Warming? Oil Crisis? Iraq? Elections? PFC slowly dieing? meh........ ....ok, the last ones not insignificant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 Is the video being voiced by a robot?! Well interesting though, that sort of stuff, mind boggling also. How people can say we are alone in this universe I don't know. Each one of those galaxies have millions of stars in it. Each one of those stars could have numerous planets around it, just like our sun. It's fascinating and mind boggling and quite scary. We're so insignificant. It doesn't necessarily follow that just because there are an unknown number of planets that there must be life on one of them. That's only if you look at it from our reality. It is perfectly conceivable that we are the only planet to support "life" as we know it (whatever your interpretation of life is.) It's extremely difficult to comprehend so I try not to most of the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 Anyone got a link to the picture showing the total volume of water next to the globe? Pretty amazing to think of all the species that thrive on such a small amount. Makes one wonder at how finely tuned it all is. An argument 'for' life on other palnets or maybe a strong case against? I'll have agoogle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 /\ Found it: "How much water and air is there on planet Earth? Not as much as you might think. The image below shows all the water in the world (including oceans, ice, lakes, rivers, ground water, clouds, etc.); and all the air in the atmosphere gathered into a ball at sea-level density. Truly amazing imho that we have ever been on this planet, ever let alone now. And people are naieve enough to think that we can **** it all up with our little motor cars and air travel and not seperating our baked bean cans from our dirty nappies! Nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff leopard Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 Truly amazing imho that we have ever been on this planet, ever let alone now. And people are naieve enough to think that we can **** it all up with our little motor cars and air travel and not seperating our baked bean cans from our dirty nappies! Nonsense. Interesting image, tedious comment. The fact that there is so little water and air surely proves how easy it would be to pollute and poison both, and how ridiculously fragile life is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint boggy Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 /\ Found it: "How much water and air is there on planet Earth? Not as much as you might think. The image below shows all the water in the world (including oceans, ice, lakes, rivers, ground water, clouds, etc.); and all the air in the atmosphere gathered into a ball at sea-level density. Truly amazing imho that we have ever been on this planet, ever let alone now. And people are naieve enough to think that we can **** it all up with our little motor cars and air travel and not seperating our baked bean cans from our dirty nappies! Nonsense. oh jesus!!! Cue Saint George!! :smt108 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 Interesting image, tedious comment. The fact that there is so little water and air surely proves how easy it would be to pollute and poison both, and how ridiculously fragile life is. That's not very nice now is it. Anyway, if we are that bloody influential and the damage we are/have been doing has been only over the past (what shall we say) 150 years Max. we are surely done for, surely. I am of the opinion that we are only putting back what we have taken out, maybe in it's particulate (i may have made that word up) parts, but I'm fairly comfortable thinking that it will all be okay in the end. One example I would offer is 'oil'. yes, that dirty, filthy, horrible gunk that is poisonous to everything that it comes into contact with, all of it's by-products (petrol etc) are supposed to be sounding the death knell of us all. And where does this nasty stuff come from? What is it made of? I shall not be cancelling the milk this week. I may come over as a bit thick but I aint stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint boggy Posted 15 March, 2010 Share Posted 15 March, 2010 OK TIMEOUT! can we not turn this into an 'environmental' thread? it's supposed to be celebrating the magnificence of our recent astrological discoveries ,fgs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 Wouldn't all those galaxies not exist now, if we were able to travel 48 billion light years in a short space of time - the bus would've left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 It's the photons I feel sorry for. Imagine travelling all that way for 13 billion years and then smashing into a Hubble. Awe-inspiring video, by the way. What are the figures, 10 to the power 22 stars in each galaxy and 10 to the 22 galaxies? Or is it only 10 to the 20? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff leopard Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 That's not very nice now is it. OK TIMEOUT! can we not turn this into an 'environmental' thread? it's supposed to be celebrating the magnificence of our recent astrological discoveries ,fgs It wasn’t very nice, and Saint Boggy is absolutely right, too many interesting threads are ruined by people rehashing the same old tired arguments. Anything vaguely political descends into Blair vs Thatcher by about post 5 or 6, anything planet or climate related soon turns into an all too predictable climate change debate. I admit that I can be as bad as anyone else for this, it is pathetic and ruining the lounge and muppet show forums. Unless all we want the Saints Web forum to be is somewhere you can argue the toss with other knee-jerk no-lives, with absolutely no resolution whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 Feel oddly emotional after watching that, knowing pretty much that we will never know what's really out there. I suppose it's that hunger and desire for knowledge that has led the human race to achieve so much already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 Feel oddly emotional after watching that, knowing pretty much that we will never know what's really out there. I suppose it's that hunger and desire for knowledge that has led the human race to achieve so much already. That's what stars are for, to show us that we are a part of something much bigger. Only humans can really appreciate this, the humble ant or stickleback doesn't even notice the stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 What I want to know is...what exactly are we/the universe/space call it what you like expanding into. Way beyond my power of under standing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 What I want to know is...what exactly are we/the universe/space call it what you like expanding into. Way beyond my power of under standing There are some people, not many but I am among them, who say that the universe is not actually expanding but that time is slowing down (or is it speeding up?) and that the red shift is actually due to the light getting tired having travelled such a long distance. Mathematically it is the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 (edited) There was a great documentary on BBC 2 last week discussing how our view of the universe is changing dramatically. Science has now proven (by observation and maths) that expansion theory is correct (i.e. a second after the big band, expansion took over), however we do not know what caused it (or continues to cause it), so they've called it Dark Energy. They have also discovered that galaxies do not act like solar systems - i.e. the stars at the edge spin AT THE SAME SPEED as those on the inside. This should not happen because there is not enough mass in those galaxies, so there must be something else there - namely Dark Matter. There is 5 times more Dark Matter than there is matter - everywhere. The problem is we cannot detect it yet, but it is passing through everyone of us every second of every day. Lastly, recently a scientist made a random observation that some galaxies are not moving outwards in the way expansion predicts - they are converging on points in the universe independant of previous predictions. Nobody knows why or how, so the scientists have called this Dark Flow. The prevailing theory is that there are other universes that interact with our universe in some strange unknown way! The more we find out about the universe it seems the stranger it becomes. However, my belief is that we (the human race) are on an exponential curve of development in terms of our science, math and understanding of everything. If you imagine a line that runs almost horizontal and then curves upwards to almost 90degrees, that would represent our development and we - right now - would be on the lower part of the upwards curve. What that means is that assuming we survive war, famine and the worsening weather conditions, we are at the beginning of an incredible period of increasing knowledge. I also do not believe we are alone - the advent of modern man in terms of the vast amount of time the Earth has developed would suggest to me that the Earth was seeded by a visiting advanced civilisation thousands of years ago. Or something. (: Edited 16 March, 2010 by Saint Fan CaM typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 There was a great documentary on BBC 2 last week discussing how our view of the universe is changing dramatically. Science has now proven (by observation and maths) that expansion theory is correct (i.e. a second after the big band, expansion took over), however we do not know what caused it (or continues to cause it), so they've called it Dark Energy. They have also discovered that galaxies do not act like solar systems - i.e. the stars at the edge spin AT THE SAME SPEED as those on the inside. This should not happen because there is not enough mass in those galaxies, so there must be something else there - namely Dark Matter. There is 5 times more Dark Matter than there is matter - everywhere. The problem is we cannot detect it yet, but it is passing through everyone of us every second of every day. Lastly, recently a scientist made a random observation that some galaxies are not moving outwards in the way expansion predicts - they are converging on points in the universe independant of previous predictions. Nobody knows why or how, so the scientists have called this Dark Flow. The prevailing theory is that there are other universes that interact with our universe in some strange unknown way! The more we find out about the universe it seems the stranger it becomes. However, my belief is that we (the human race) are on an exponential curve of development in terms of our science, math and understanding of everything. If you imagine a line that runs almost horizontal and then curves upwards to almost 90degrees, that would represent our development and we - right now - would be on the lower part of the upwards curve. What that means is that assuming we survive war, famine and the worsening weather conditions, we are at the beginning of an incredible period of increasing knowledge. I also do not believe we are alone - the advent of modern man in terms of the vast amount of time the Earth has developed would suggest to me that the Earth was seeded by a visiting advanced civilisation thousands of years ago. Or something. (: Yep, I saw that programme too, and very good it was - if a tad mind-boggling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 18 March, 2010 Share Posted 18 March, 2010 An amusing link IMO http://dingo.care-mail.com/cards/flash/5409/galaxy.swf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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