StuRomseySaint Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 ... taking a soldier to court because he nicked £3 off his mate and another lad remanded in custody for nicking 60p... this has got to be a wind-up, surely? http://www.thisishampshire.net/news/5057305.Sentence_put_off_for_soldier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 Good, ****ing squaddies. It reminds of when I was in the pub last week and this guy the other side of the room nicked three quid from one of my mates; when we called him up on it he said "oh well I thought it was alright because I'm a soldier." Do you know how much of my hard earned taxes go into processing the justice for this pointless ballbag? Well I don't, but some quick maths I just did in my head suggests that we are all paying upwards of £478 a year EACH just to keep these soldiers away from decent, well educated members of society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 March, 2010 Good, ****ing squaddies. It reminds of when I was in the pub last week and this guy the other side of the room nicked three quid from one of my mates; when we called him up on it he said "oh well I thought it was alright because I'm a soldier." Do you know how much of my hard earned taxes go into processing the justice for this pointless ballbag? Well I don't, but some quick maths I just did in my head suggests that we are all paying upwards of £478 a year EACH just to keep these soldiers away from decent, well educated members of society. This is the lounge you plank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 ... taking a soldier to court because he nicked £3 off his mate and another lad remanded in custody for nicking 60p... this has got to be a wind-up, surely? http://www.thisishampshire.net/news/5057305.Sentence_put_off_for_soldier Is your problem with them actually taking the guy to court due to the value of the theft or that it is a soldier ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 Thieving little ****s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 There's a lot unsaid in that report. You don't go to Crown Court for nicking £3 off a mate unless there's something really bad about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 March, 2010 Is your problem with them actually taking the guy to court due to the value of the theft or that it is a soldier ? The fact that tax-payers money is being used to take cases like this to crown court... pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 March, 2010 There's a lot unsaid in that report. You don't go to Crown Court for nicking £3 off a mate unless there's something really bad about it. I am sure if there was... then they would have reported it, seeing as the Crown Court is very public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 I am sure if there was... then they would have reported it, seeing as the Crown Court is very public. Admittedly. But the normal place for these cases is the Magistrates Court, often not even that far with the caution system. I would like to know why it was heard there and there is no indication in the newspaper report (not surprising as it's the Echo). I still say there is a lot left unsaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 I am sure if there was... then they would have reported it, seeing as the Crown Court is very public. ..unless they cant report it yet in case it influences the trial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 Stop apologising for them. I'm sick of hand-wringing softies like you, wanting to go easy on thieving little chavs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 Robbery, not theft. Therefore violence and intimidation used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 March, 2010 ..unless they cant report it yet in case it influences the trial They have been convicted though and are awaiting sentance. So everything should be in the public domain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 ... taking a soldier to court because he nicked £3 off his mate and another lad remanded in custody for nicking 60p... this has got to be a wind-up, surely? http://www.thisishampshire.net/news/5057305.Sentence_put_off_for_soldier Justice is justice surely, regardless of the sums involved. It does say he and a mate were found guilty, so there must have been intimidation or a threat of violence. What sum would make this court case reasonable Stu £50? £100? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 March, 2010 Justice is justice surely, regardless of the sums involved. It does say he and a mate were found guilty, so there must have been intimidation or a threat of violence. What sum would make this court case reasonable Stu £50? £100? Give me 60p you *****... Could have been sorted out in a Magistrates, £100 compensation to each victim, job done. Not waste thousands of pounds taking it to Crown Court... I accept that the second bloke must have been on tag or had a suspended sentance to warrant being held in custody... or at least i fookin well would hope so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 I agree it's ridiculous that they're being taken to court over such a small amount, but being in the forces doesn't put them above law and if people brought charges against them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 I'm pretty sure that there must have been violence involved. Otherwise, some people's arguments would be that as long as your robbery isn's successful in monetary terms, it's all ok. i.e man goes into post office threatens staff with knife but then gets spooked and runs out. He didn't steal anything so is it ok that he goes free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 The CPS and police wouldnt routinely do this without good reason. No-one here knows what happened. Maybe the two accused refused a police caution and then then opted for crown court rather than magistrates because they expected that the CPS would drop the charges rather than risk a backlash from a bunch of ill informed bleaters who kick up a fuss about the costs involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 Maybe the defendants elected to go to the Crown Court for a jury trial, as they are entitled to do so. The conviction rates are generally lower, or are at least perceived to be lower, in jury trials than in the Magistrates'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 Ahh, I see Buctootim has rasied a similar point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 March, 2010 Maybe the defendants elected to go to the Crown Court for a jury trial, as they are entitled to do so. The conviction rates are generally lower, or are at least perceived to be lower, in jury trials than in the Magistrates'. But the punishments are bigger... not exactly worth doing over an £8 'robbery' is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 But the punishments are bigger... not exactly worth doing over an £8 'robbery' is it? If they are squaddies they might be kicked out the army for robbery - so for them its worth pleading not guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 March, 2010 If they are squaddies they might be kicked out the army for robbery - so for them its worth pleading not guilty. They wouldn't get kicked out for that, you can't be charged twice for the same offence, once through military and once through civilian, although you can be charged with bringing the army into disrepute... but it won't get you kicked out of the Army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 (edited) They wouldn't get kicked out for that, you can't be charged twice for the same offence, once through military and once through civilian, although you can be charged with bringing the army into disrepute... but it won't get you kicked out of the Army. not true...I know of a person that have (recently) been kicked out for "borrowing" someones bank card to which they knew the number and bought some food at the NAAFI Edited 12 March, 2010 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 But the punishments are bigger... not exactly worth doing over an £8 'robbery' is it? I've no idea whether it was worth them doing it or not in this case. I don't know the facts and I haven't read your link. I was simply suggesting that it might be their choice that this went to trial at a Crown Court and not a Magistrates. There is no reason why a case would get committed to the Crown Court unless the Magistrate's sentencing powers were insufficient for the severity of the crime - therefore, either: 1) this was a severe enough crime for some reason; or 2) they elected to go the CC. What I do know is that if these had been a pair of students you would be crowing about how great it is that they should feel the full force of the law and what a bunch of nasty people students are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 March, 2010 not true...I know of a person that have (recently) been kicked out for "borrowing" someones bank card to which they knew the number and bought some food at the NAAFI Yes... of course you could get kicked out if you went through military law and got court marshalled. What I was saying is that you cannot stand trial in civilian court and face the same charge by court marshall... you can be charged with bringing the army into disrepute however, but the punishment won't be getting booted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 Yes... of course you could get kicked out if you went through military law and got court marshalled. What I was saying is that you cannot stand trial in civilian court and face the same charge by court marshall... you can be charged with bringing the army into disrepute however, but the punishment won't be getting booted out. ahhh..i get you..yes, that is right.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 Hang on, Stu, if a squaddie beats someone to the ground, then robs them of all they've got on them, it makes f** all difference if they had a pocketful of shrapnel or a money belt stuffed with fifties. The intent to rob is the same. I find it highly unlikely that they backed someone up against a wall and said, "Gimme sixty pence or I'll kick your head in!" Think it through, ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 had it been a student he would have been praising the law... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 Hang on, Stu, if a squaddie beats someone to the ground, then robs them of all they've got on them, it makes f** all difference if they had a pocketful of shrapnel or a money belt stuffed with fifties. The intent to rob is the same. I find it highly unlikely that they backed someone up against a wall and said, "Gimme sixty pence or I'll kick your head in!" Think it through, ffs. i think it may well do actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporate Ho Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 It's a disgrace. He could be in Afghanistan killing "rag heads" and "defending his country" couldn't he Stuey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 so out of character for squaddies, you never hear of them being agressive or getting into trouble... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 March, 2010 Hang on, Stu, if a squaddie beats someone to the ground, then robs them of all they've got on them, it makes f** all difference if they had a pocketful of shrapnel or a money belt stuffed with fifties. The intent to rob is the same. I find it highly unlikely that they backed someone up against a wall and said, "Gimme sixty pence or I'll kick your head in!" Think it through, ffs. Sorry, but don't you think if there was a serious assault in there then the Echo would have reported it? And if there was a serious assault then there would also have been a charge for that as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 I am not sure it is the justice system that's wrong here. the squaddies deserve every thing coming their for being so biblically stupid that they risk their careers over such small amounts. Another thought, what if the squaddie had nicked the money with a view of being kicked out to avoid going to Afghanistan. If that is the case and the judge has defferred sentancing to enable him to be deployed, then justice really has been served. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 March, 2010 It's a disgrace. He could be in Afghanistan killing "rag heads" and "defending his country" couldn't he Stuey? Luckily he will have his time in Afghan to kill some more rag heads and defend Queen and Country. God bless him. x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 Squaddie in **** behaviour shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 March, 2010 I am not sure it is the justice system that's wrong here. the squaddies deserve every thing coming their for being so biblically stupid that they risk their careers over such small amounts. Another thought, what if the squaddie had nicked the money with a view of being kicked out to avoid going to Afghanistan. If that is the case and the judge has defferred sentancing to enable him to be deployed, then justice really has been served. There are much easier ways of ensuring that you don't have to be deployed or get out of the army than going to court for nicking a couple of quid off one person ad 60p off another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 There are much easier ways of ensuring that you don't have to be deployed or get out of the army than going to court for nicking a couple of quid off one person ad 60p off another. You are probably right, but I suspect these boys are too intellectually challenged to think of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 Stop apologising for them. I'm sick of hand-wringing softies like you, wanting to go easy on thieving little chavs. +1 I'm sick of this sort of carry on. It's why this country is the sh*thole it is.....far too many people ready to make excuses for others. These people did wrong. They stole from others and should be punished. If it were left to people like SRS then we would be over-run by squaddies, picking off their victims, safe in the knowledge that because they signed up to kill foreign people, they can also abuse British folk. Well, they can't. I'm sick of this sort of crap, criminals are criminals. This site seems to excuse (and indeed glorify) football violence and there are plenty of 30/40 yr olds who post on here who carry on like they're 18 and there is also an element who have misguided principles when to it comes to law and order in this country, as SRS demonstrates. Shove in jail, let the f*ckers rot and let us law abiding citizens go about our daily business without fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 +1 I'm sick of this sort of carry on. It's why this country is the sh*thole it is.....far too many people ready to make excuses for others. These people did wrong. They stole from others and should be punished. If it were left to people like SRS then we would be over-run by squaddies, picking off their victims, safe in the knowledge that because they signed up to kill foreign people, they can also abuse British folk. Well, they can't. I'm sick of this sort of crap, criminals are criminals. This site seems to excuse (and indeed glorify) football violence and there are plenty of 30/40 yr olds who post on here who carry on like they're 18 and there is also an element who have misguided principles when to it comes to law and order in this country, as SRS demonstrates. Shove in jail, let the f*ckers rot and let us law abiding citizens go about our daily business without fear. +2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 12 March, 2010 Share Posted 12 March, 2010 so out of character for squaddies, you never hear of them being agressive or getting into trouble... Go on, tar them all - here's a bigger brush for you..... paint away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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