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Last time I was on JSA they put my sign on time at 3:30, just when it was time to pick up (my) kids from school - and they wouldn't budge. Every 2 weeks, I took them out of school early and told my son he was allowed to be badly behaved in the jobcentre while we waited. He did an excellent job of annoying all the staff.

 

However, I phoned the day before on at least two occasions and said I couldn't make it and they gave me another time - it wasn't a massive deal - can't see why they stopped your payment.

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There are loads of jobs out there, s**t loads. Just a shame that most British people will see half of those jobs as "below them".

 

I don't see jobs as below me, however some companies see me as too experienced due to my working history and think i'd jump ship if a better job came along, whereas I don't and wouldn't.

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Last time I was on JSA they put my sign on time at 3:30, just when it was time to pick up (my) kids from school - and they wouldn't budge. Every 2 weeks, I took them out of school early and told my son he was allowed to be badly behaved in the jobcentre while we waited. He did an excellent job of annoying all the staff.

 

However, I phoned the day before on at least two occasions and said I couldn't make it and they gave me another time - it wasn't a massive deal - can't see why they stopped your payment.

 

As indicated earlier they cannot stop your benefit for just signing a day late once ! I really would love to know exactly what reason(s) they give for this, from what I can tell it is just plain wrong!

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I don't see jobs as below me, however some companies see me as too experienced due to my working history and think i'd jump ship if a better job came along, whereas I don't and wouldn't.

But if you are struggling for money I bet you would keep looking for a proper job rather than a "stop gap" one (the type that anyone could walk into, and be on s**t money).

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Funny that we should get some right wingers on here seemingly moaning about "socialist" policies that mean that people like MB get treated badly. In a true capitalist system there would no unemployment benefit anyway so you wouldn't even have the chance to moan about it being bureaucratic and unwieldly.

 

Being right wing is one thing, but Nazis are National Socialists, an ideology that incorporates elements of the far-left and far-right. Essentially, they're racists with a massive dollop of socialism (think of Hitler building the autobahns to provide work and Mussolini getting the trains to run on time).

 

If they had their way, a kind of apartheid would operate in the UK, with the white 'Anglo-Saxon' (an odd turn of phrase, incidentally - I was just saying to my Anglo-Saxon wife the other day....) people taking priority over non-whites.

 

I think the use of skin colour illustrates the essential racism (as opposed to nationalism). What some of the posters on this forum are bothered about is people with different skin colour sharing the same islands as them. They pounce on lies and exaggerations (in this case to do with the social security system, but whatever the topic, they will wheel out a Daily Mail-like 'example') to support their prejudices. They save their especial bile for 'Muslims', whatever this means. The Nazis picked on Jews. Not much difference, as far as I can see.

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Bloody immigrants. I remember when those Anglo-Saxons came over here from Germany, stealing our jobs and claiming our benefits. They are worse than the paedos/Muslims/speed cameras*

 

*Delete as applicable.

 

 

Still they don't end up like these lads now do they

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/dorset/8563377.stm

 

At least we've made some progress in the last 2000 years or so.

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There are loads of jobs out there, s**t loads. Just a shame that most British people will see half of those jobs as "below them".

 

Not strictly true, having just got another job myself after being made redundant at BAT 6 months ago.... a lot of agencies et al wont put you forward for a job because of the "i need the money" reason.

 

But of course, some people are lazy too and wont do the crap work.

 

Tis hard to find one you want at the moment though.

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Latest news is that i've had to fill in some sort of reclaim form thing, hopefully that'll be the end of it.

 

Oh dear, post 35. My point 3.

 

3) - One of my "favourites"- If you happen to find a job quickly and before your claim is assessed then so far so good. However, if it happens that job is only temporary or lasts for only a short while of course you'll need to sign on. No problem, there is what they call a Rapid reclaim process which means you may be lucky enough to only have to complete a far less detailed form than for a totally new claim. Great ! But wait, there is just one problem which many staff are blissfully unaware of. If it does happen that your original claim was not processed then it is treated as never having being made, so no in fact the Rapid reclaim does not apply even though you may well be told it does. So 2-3 weeks later you wonder why you are not getting paid and the penny drops, the wrong form was completed and you need to complete the more detailed form per a new claim. It gets worse though as the 2-3 weeks you have waited are totally wasted as that "claim" is not valid and you end up back at square one and having to endure a further wait.

 

 

However, it SHOULD not apply to you !

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Biggest problem is that those that do want to work end up worse off. I know a few people that got a job and then had benefits reduced to point where it was not worth doing the job, hence they go back on benefits.

Lets face it do a 40hr week in a crappy job or ern slightly more sat on your ass. We all have are morals but not eveyone is a cheat. Most poeple want to work its the system that balls it up. What must happen is that those that do abuse the system are rooted out but we all know that the political parties won't do that because the bleeding hearts brigade will come out.

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Biggest problem is that those that do want to work end up worse off. I know a few people that got a job and then had benefits reduced to point where it was not worth doing the job, hence they go back on benefits.

Lets face it do a 40hr week in a crappy job or ern slightly more sat on your ass. We all have are morals but not eveyone is a cheat. Most poeple want to work its the system that balls it up. What must happen is that those that do abuse the system are rooted out but we all know that the political parties won't do that because the bleeding hearts brigade will come out.

 

Part of the solution might be for employers to pay a decent living wage. Then people will be more inclined to stay in jobs and the rest of us won't have to subsidise unscrupulous employers through other benefits.

 

I've told this tale before about a friend of mine who was a film editor (VT / commercials). He was made redundant and (eventually) received state aid to support his family of four children and a wife. Although his wife worked ridiculous hours, they still struggled. From time to time he got bits and pieces of freelance work. He should have declared this but didn't because otherwise he would have had to have waited weeks and weeks again before he went back onto JSA.

 

Wrong but entirely understandable.

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Interesting comparison with Australia where I live now. Teenagers on part time shop work get about $16 an hour, which even using the 'old' exchange rate is £8, nowadays it's £12 (probably £13 tomorrow....) Full time shop workers get $20, which is just $2 less than I earn as an experienced IT person. Even when I land my ideal job, I will be earning roughly double what a full time shopworker earns, as opposed to probably more than treble in the UK.

 

Now get this about benefits: Because of my low-ish salary, I receive about $900 a month in child benefit and income support, that compares to £120 per month I received in the UK. Add to this that if and when my salary increases, I lose the benefit dollar for dollar. I'm in a situation where I do a low pressure job on low wages but no particular incentive to move jobs.

 

Now understand this: as an 'IT Professional', I earn about half of the wage of most 'tradies' here - so sparkies, plasterers, P&D ers, plumbers etc are the real wealthy middle class.

 

Is that the case in the UK? I think it has become more so, but the guys buying million dollar homes here have never worked in an office!

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Biggest problem is that those that do want to work end up worse off. I know a few people that got a job and then had benefits reduced to point where it was not worth doing the job, hence they go back on benefits.

 

Yes, that is rather the conundrum people face. Under benefit rules you should not be worse off working than on benefits, the Jobcentre will do a " better off calculation" which should ensure you are not worse off working. However, how do you factor in non financial issues such as time spent travelling ( in London particularly often longer than you might expect), the sheer boredom of some jobs ( Ok, beggars cannot be chosers they say but for certain many employers will take advantage and if they know your situation give you what I always refer to as the "tea boy jobs" which will invariably drive you bonkers!).

I think the point is anyone who is unemployed should accept any reasonable job opportunity but the problem is in deciding what is "reasonable". From my own expeience about 10 years ago I was unemployed ( though not claiming benefit) but wanted to work. I took a job in a warehouse which I had done before but not for 20 years when I was a student. All day, every day, I was given the most strenous jobs whilst others were given much more of a variety. I ended up black and blue, aching and really tired at the end of each day ( my travelling time was about 3 hours as well) and after less than 2 weeks simply could not do it any more so I left. I then found an office job which was more in keeping with my experience but then this employer gave me such boring stuff to do it was really demoralising. Again as I was Ok financially I left as that option was open to me. However, if you put someone who needs to work or claim benefits into either of those 2 working environments then I can imagine that as hard as it was for me it would be much more difficult for them faced with the problem if they did resign of possibly having sanctions applied to their benefits. So it is something that needs to be considered very carefully, Jobcentres do now offer "Work Trials" but they are something I know little about other than It is entirely voluntary. You will carry on getting your benefits while you're on the trial, so it's a risk-free way of finding out if a position is right for you. If your employer offers you a job at the end of your Work Trial period and you accept it, this does not mean that all financial help will end - you may be eligible for some in-work benefits and tax credits.

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They still haven't seen it.

 

Jobwise, my CV is on monster etc and no one's phoned! Yet the last time I was out of work and I put my CV up I had calls almost every other hour.

 

Those days are long gone - recruiters have more CV's than they can shake a stick at.

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I agree the whole system sucks, my wife is classified as incapacitated but being White and Anglo Saxon who has live in this country with either of us paying tax for 35 years, we are entitled to b*gger all because all jobs are part time and if you dont pay NI you are entitled to Incapacity Benifit. Seems strange that nearly every Muslin Terrorist or Cleric that you see in the Paper is on Benefits, and the benifits are given to those who turn up on our shores from other countries. RANT OVER.

 

You speak perfect sense Sir. I tried to go to Hounslow council for some help with council tax (1400 a year) but found it impossible to get any aid despite being English through and through and paying tax in previous years. Yet if some **** had just hitched a ride in a boat from Pakistan, gone straight to the building and walked in the que behind me he would have got benefits coming out of his ears. That is whats wrong with the country and until the tossers running it change it and we start looking after our own, we are ****ed. It is maddening but i try not to let it bother me. ****ing **** **** **** ****

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hi MB,Any news on your claim???? I took my boyfriend sister down the job centre about two weeks ago. Christ l did not look out of place down there with my yellow face. (ha ha) Offered her job advice for driving a taxi (f-ck sake she dont even drive) and fit alarms systems with a company van (again what the f-ck).. Had a good laugh at it all. But l know how you feel as she was in a bad mood all day....:toimonster::rolleyes::)

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hi MB,Any news on your claim???? I took my boyfriend sister down the job centre about two weeks ago. Christ l did not look out of place down there with my yellow face. (ha ha) Offered her job advice for driving a taxi (f-ck sake she dont even drive) and fit alarms systems with a company van (again what the f-ck).. Had a good laugh at it all. But l know how you feel as she was in a bad mood all day....:toimonster::rolleyes::)

 

Sounds to me like she's not even trying. Why couldn't she fit alarms? And not being able to drive doesn't stop most taxi drivers. Lazy.

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MB can you Pm me what it is you used to do and also what it is you can do. I may have some contacts that can help you out. (Can't promise though). Can you also let me know where you are willing to work (distance to travel basically).

 

Least I can try and do after all those special pm's you sent us in the past.

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I agree the whole system sucks, my wife is classified as incapacitated but being White and Anglo Saxon who has live in this country with either of us paying tax for 35 years, we are entitled to b*gger all because all jobs are part time and if you dont pay NI you are entitled to Incapacity Benifit. Seems strange that nearly every Muslin Terrorist or Cleric that you see in the Paper is on Benefits, and the benifits are given to those who turn up on our shores from other countries. RANT OVER.

 

You speak perfect sense Sir. I tried to go to Hounslow council for some help with council tax (1400 a year) but found it impossible to get any aid despite being English through and through and paying tax in previous years. Yet if some **** had just hitched a ride in a boat from Pakistan, gone straight to the building and walked in the que behind me he would have got benefits coming out of his ears. That is whats wrong with the country and until the tossers running it change it and we start looking after our own, we are ****ed. It is maddening but i try not to let it bother me. ****ing **** **** **** ****

 

This is all 100% completely true.

 

Why is it that white people never, ever ever get the breaks in life? Or people in Western society for that matter? And disability benefits! Dont get me started! They are a complete sham.

 

The luckiest people on earth are black and asian muslim disabled people from third world countries. They are the ones rolling in dough, getting all the luck, the women, the wine, the parties, the drugs, the rock, the roll and the highlife. This true not only now, but throughout history.

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You speak perfect sense Sir. I tried to go to Hounslow council for some help with council tax (1400 a year) but found it impossible to get any aid despite being English through and through and paying tax in previous years. Yet if some **** had just hitched a ride in a boat from Pakistan, gone straight to the building and walked in the que behind me he would have got benefits coming out of his ears. That is whats wrong with the country and until the tossers running it change it and we start looking after our own, we are ****ed. It is maddening but i try not to let it bother me. ****ing **** **** **** ****

 

This is all 100% completely true.

 

Why is it that white people never, ever ever get the breaks in life? Or people in Western society for that matter? And disability benefits! Dont get me started! They are a complete sham.

 

The luckiest people on earth are black and asian muslim disabled people from third world countries. They are the ones rolling in dough, getting all the luck, the women, the wine, the parties, the drugs, the rock, the roll and the highlife. This true not only now, but throughout history.

 

You Sire are in danger of getting me off my lazy hypocritic arse to vote come May, if only you would stand in my constituency. tfic

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Had my benefits stopped due to being 22hrs late for signing on because I had to pick my 6 year old nephew up from school. I phoned the jobcentre in advance and they said it was fine and to go in between 12:30-1:30pm the next day or within 5 days.

 

Went in the next day and I felt like a criminal due to the way I was spoken to etc then they said I might have my benefits stopped.

 

I've now received a 4 page letter confirming it has ben stopped!!!

 

It's the first i've claimed, I originally claimed for Income Support and Carers allowance in December as I was full time carer for my terminally ill mum but I wasn't allowed, I won't say why I think it is because i'll get infracted.

 

The whole system sucks, meanwhile the benefit cheats continue to get away with it whilst us honest people get penalised for the slightest thing. C**ts!

 

What do they expect me to have done, leave a 6year old kid on his own outside school for an hour or 2? Don't think so some how.

 

Without wishing to be embroiled in an argument on this, if you are claiming JSA then you should be available at any time during business hours as this demonstrates that you are available for work.

 

Obviously, I can't comment on your individual circumstances and I'm sure that you are genuine, however, as your posting eludes, there are many people who manipulate the benefits system, constantly avoiding work, costing honesty tax payers billions and, of course, impacting upon the credibility of honest claimers.

 

Believe me (and I work very close to this industry), there are so many people screwing the system in this country, no wonder public debt is so high. If attending the Jobcentre once a fortnight is all you need to do to qualify for Job Seekers allowance, housing benefit and Council tax relief, then it's a small price.

 

Okay...rant over. I hope your situation improves.

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1 Master Bates, my assistant programmer, can always be found

2 hard at work in his cubicle. Bates works independantly, without

3 wasting company time talking to colleagues. Bates never

4 thinks twice about assisting fellow employees, and he always

5 finishes given assignments on time. Often he takes extended

6 measures to complete his work, sometimes skipping coffee

7 breaks. Bates is a dedicated individual who has absolutely no

8 vanity in spite of his high accomplishments and profound

9 knowledge in his field. I firmly believe that Bates can be

10 classed as a high-calibre employee, the type that cannot be

11 dispensed with. Consequently, I truly recommend that Bates be

12 promoted to executive management and a proposal will be

13 executed as soon as possible.

 

 

 

Addendum

The idiot was standing over my shoulder as I wrote this report.

Kindly re-read only the odd numbered lines.

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What you still have to physically sign on in the UK? Unbelievable . Even in medieval France apparently you just have to log on to their site once a month and tick a couple of boxes and bob's your uncle, failing that you can call a toll free number and punch in a few codes.Making benefits beneficiaries actually turn up in a squalid shack off the High St should be reported to the human rights commission.

 

This let's the "Pole Emploi" people get on with what they're supposed to be doing, find jobs to suit people and people to suit jobs, not that they're all that good at it if you go by the press.

 

What about the human rights of the poor old tax payer who is funding some of these scrounging layabouts to do ***** all? Does giving my tax to a useless alcohololic to get ****ed up every day infringe my rights?

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What about the human rights of the poor old tax payer who is funding some of these scrounging layabouts to do ***** all? Does giving my tax to a useless alcohololic to get ****ed up every day infringe my rights?

 

Yeah, those bloody alcoholics! Just stop drinking alcohol, can't be that difficult can it surely. Although to be fair to alcoholics, I (as I supect you too Mower) know not a lot about the illness.

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You speak perfect sense Sir. I tried to go to Hounslow council for some help with council tax (1400 a year) but found it impossible to get any aid despite being English through and through and paying tax in previous years. Yet if some **** had just hitched a ride in a boat from Pakistan, gone straight to the building and walked in the que behind me he would have got benefits coming out of his ears. That is whats wrong with the country and until the tossers running it change it and we start looking after our own, we are ****ed. It is maddening but i try not to let it bother me. ****ing **** **** **** ****

 

People like you make me sick.

 

Bigoted scum.

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Can we talk about catching the real cheating bastards in the country please instead of the dozy twonks who chose to sit around wasting their lives in front of the telly.

 

In 2008 the cost of tax evasion was 15 billion, whereas the cost of benefit fraud was 1 billion. The tax fraud figure dosn't include legal tax avoidance scams either which has been estimated at between 13 and 25 billion (2008). Lets crucify the rich greedy cheats, not the poor, boring stupid ones.

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You speak perfect sense Sir. I tried to go to Hounslow council for some help with council tax (1400 a year) but found it impossible to get any aid despite being English through and through and paying tax in previous years. Yet if some **** had just hitched a ride in a boat from Pakistan, gone straight to the building and walked in the que behind me he would have got benefits coming out of his ears. That is whats wrong with the country and until the tossers running it change it and we start looking after our own, we are ****ed. It is maddening but i try not to let it bother me. ****ing **** **** **** ****

 

People like you make me sick.

 

Bigoted scum.

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We are going to get a chance to get rid of the commies in a few months.

 

I know everybody is entitled to their opinion etc etc but do you really think a conservative government will be any better? I'm yet to actually see a policy come out of that smug **** cameron.

 

And no I won't be voting labour either

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You speak perfect sense Sir. I tried to go to Hounslow council for some help with council tax (1400 a year) but found it impossible to get any aid despite being English through and through and paying tax in previous years. Yet if some **** had just hitched a ride in a boat from Pakistan, gone straight to the building and walked in the que behind me he would have got benefits coming out of his ears. That is whats wrong with the country and until the tossers running it change it and we start looking after our own, we are ****ed. It is maddening but i try not to let it bother me. ****ing **** **** **** ****

 

Jesus Christ. Do people like you still exist in the 21st century?! Maybe you should restart the EDL thread!:rolleyes:

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You speak perfect sense Sir. I tried to go to Hounslow council for some help with council tax (1400 a year) but found it impossible to get any aid despite being English through and through and paying tax in previous years. Yet if some **** had just hitched a ride in a boat from Pakistan, gone straight to the building and walked in the que behind me he would have got benefits coming out of his ears. That is whats wrong with the country and until the tossers running it change it and we start looking after our own, we are ****ed. It is maddening but i try not to let it bother me. ****ing **** **** **** ****

 

My God, what an idiot. What's with this country is not the benefit system, but people like you. Bigoted tw*ts basically. You have a chip on your shoulder that you should sort out.

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When I was claiming about 8 years, I was put forward for all kinds of wierd and stupid jobs that I didn't have a hope in hell of doing. I said I wanted to work in the customer service area, helping people with problems and queries they had. So you'd expect the customer service desk at Asda, Sainsburys, etc.

 

However, in the 12 months I claimed, I was put forward for (I kid you not):

 

a welders job at an engineering firm

a landscape gardener

a sous chef (can't cook)

a catalogue collecter (I didn't even drive at the time, so lugging 200 Avon-type books...no chance)

 

The closest was a bookmaker, even though I didn't have a great grasp of numbers above 100 (mild dyslexia, not a problem but I don't like numbers).

 

Anyway, after turning them all down and saying to each that I couldn't do them as I'd have been unsuitable, they put me on something called New Deal, where they placed me with an agency that would put me into a business locally (subsidsed by the government), I'd work for them and at the end of the placement, I had the option of staying with them if there was room, or come back to searching. If I didn't like it, I would have to walk away and have my claim stopped. As I was climbing the walls with boredom, I accepted, and got placed at a local DIY store.

 

Now, remember I said I wanted customer service? I told the agency thats what I wanted, and they arranged it with the DIY shop that I'd be on the help desk....but when I got there, they said they only had room in the garden centre...great, I was a gardener, just like I turned down before. :confused: I tried to get that changed with the agency, but they said it would stop my claim if I left. So, I stuck with it, until the penny dropped that I was working from 8-4 Monday to Friday, for the standard claim which was £45.50 a week I think. That means the DIY store was getting an employee for a a couple of months, working his backside off, for the grand total of £1.14 an hour, and I was expected to carry on my search for work in my own time. And when I complained to the agency that it was like slave labour, that they were benefitting from, I was told that the options were: to be placed with another business (same £1.14 an hour wage), or walk away which would cancel my benefits.

 

I walked. Luckily, I found work not too long after through a friend.

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When I was claiming about 8 years, I was put forward for all kinds of wierd and stupid jobs that I didn't have a hope in hell of doing. I said I wanted to work in the customer service area, helping people with problems and queries they had. So you'd expect the customer service desk at Asda, Sainsburys, etc.

 

However, in the 12 months I claimed, I was put forward for (I kid you not):

 

a welders job at an engineering firm

a landscape gardener

a sous chef (can't cook)

a catalogue collecter (I didn't even drive at the time, so lugging 200 Avon-type books...no chance)

 

The closest was a bookmaker, even though I didn't have a great grasp of numbers above 100 (mild dyslexia, not a problem but I don't like numbers).

 

Anyway, after turning them all down and saying to each that I couldn't do them as I'd have been unsuitable, they put me on something called New Deal, where they placed me with an agency that would put me into a business locally (subsidsed by the government), I'd work for them and at the end of the placement, I had the option of staying with them if there was room, or come back to searching. As I was climbing the walls with boredom, I accepted, and got placed at a local DIY store.

 

Now, remember I said I wanted customer service? I told the agency thats what I wanted, and they arranged it with the DIY shop that I'd be on the help desk....but when I got there, they said they only had room in the garden centre...great, I was a gardener, just like I turned down before. :confused: I tried to get that changed with the agency, but they said it would stop my claim if I left. So, I stuck with it, until the penny dropped that I was working from 8-4 Monday to Friday, for the standard claim which was £45.50 a week I think. That means the DIY store was getting

an employee for a a couple of months, working his backside off, for the grand total of £1.14 an hour, and I was expected to carry on my search for work in my own time.

 

Lol, I always refer to New Deal as Big Deal. It is generally intended for 18-24 year olds and I think if you are within that age range and are unemployed for 6 months+ then you are automatically put on to the programme and joy of joys you not only get your very own advisor but you can expect the JC to do exactly what happened and put you on any job they feel like and you have to take it. Up to a point there is some reason in that but as I mentioned in an earlier post the JC have an obligation both to you and Employers who advertise/work in liaison with them to ensure that jobs you are submitted to you are at least reasonably suited to. Putting you forward as a landscape gardener, welder and a sous chef they are failing both you and the Employers in one fell swoop. Very nice work !!

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Just to clarify, I did not write that racist nonsense that I was quoted saying in Hamster's post.

 

This is my post:

 

This is all 100% completely true.

 

Why is it that white people never, ever ever get the breaks in life? Or people in Western society for that matter? And disability benefits! Dont get me started! They are a complete sham.

 

The luckiest people on earth are black and asian muslim disabled people from third world countries. They are the ones rolling in dough, getting all the luck, the women, the wine, the parties, the drugs, the rock, the roll and the highlife. This true not only now, but throughout history.

 

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You speak perfect sense Sir. I tried to go to Hounslow council for some help with council tax (1400 a year) but found it impossible to get any aid despite being English through and through and paying tax in previous years. Yet if some **** had just hitched a ride in a boat from Pakistan, gone straight to the building and walked in the que behind me he would have got benefits coming out of his ears. That is whats wrong with the country and until the tossers running it change it and we start looking after our own, we are ****ed. It is maddening but i try not to let it bother me. ****ing **** **** **** ****

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Can we talk about catching the real cheating bastards in the country please instead of the dozy twonks who chose to sit around wasting their lives in front of the telly.

 

In 2008 the cost of tax evasion was 15 billion, whereas the cost of benefit fraud was 1 billion. The tax fraud figure dosn't include legal tax avoidance scams either which has been estimated at between 13 and 25 billion (2008). Lets crucify the rich greedy cheats, not the poor, boring stupid ones.

 

Did you realise you posted this on the wrong thread, the Pompey Takeover Saga is elsewhere in the Lounge? :eek:

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