JustMike Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 So people think that Lambert isnt good enough for the prem? sorry but thats carp! If players like Fuller can play in the Prem then so can Rickie.
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 To be honest with the size of our squad I hope we do lose some players. So do I, but can I choose between Pulis and Lambert please?
John B Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 (edited) So people think that Lambert isnt good enough for the prem? sorry but thats carp! If players like Fuller can play in the Prem then so can Rickie. Perhaps Fuller is a better player than you think. Not sure about Lambert his lack of pace concerns me I did not think Crouch was a very good player when he joined us but how wrong I was Edited 8 March, 2010 by John B
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 Perhaps Fuller is a better player than you think He is. He is deceptively quick and incredibly powerful. Lambert is a better striker of the ball but Fuller was and is underated by many Saints fans (me originally included)...
Foxstone Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 So people think that Lambert isnt good enough for the prem? sorry but thats carp! If players like Fuller can play in the Prem then so can Rickie. I agree that Rickie could play at least at CC level and perhaps even Prem - He did after all give the Skates a real work out in the cup game! But I actually think that he is happy enough, motivated enough and paid enough here and here is where he will stay.
John B Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 I agree that Rickie could play at least at CC level and perhaps even Prem - He did after all give the Skates a real work out in the cup game! But I actually think that he is happy enough, motivated enough and paid enough here and here is where he will stay. Not sure about Lambert his lack of pace concerns me in the Premiership dont forget Pompey did not have a recognised CB marking him
JustMike Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 He is. He is deceptively quick and incredibly powerful. Lambert is a better striker of the ball but Fuller was and is underated by many Saints fans (me originally included)... sorry but dont agree. And i guess the only way to solve this is to get to the prem..with Lambert still here. Fuller was just one name that sprang to mind, there are others too. Lambert is a natural goal scorer, and so what if he has lack of pace, works for Heskey and others
John B Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 (edited) sorry but dont agree. And i guess the only way to solve this is to get to the prem..with Lambert still here. Fuller was just one name that sprang to mind, there are others too. Lambert is a natural goal scorer, and so what if he has lack of pace, works for Heskey and others Just because he has scored loads of goals in League 1 does not make him a Premiership Striker There are loads of examples of CCC strikers like Nugent and Ebanks-Blake from Wolves last season who are not up to the Premiership Edited 8 March, 2010 by John B
Foxstone Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 Not sure about Lambert his lack of pace concerns me in the Premiership dont forget Pompey did not have a recognised CB marking him Admitedly it was'nt Terry or Ferdinand, it was Wilson who had the specific job on the day of course, but he, Hreidersson and Diop who are all Prem defenders certainly knew who Rickie was by the end of the game. Pace is of course not something that Rickie has in abundance but he sure knows where the net is and there are plenty of Prem CF's without much in the way of horsepower who do very well up there - Carew, Crouch etc..
exeter_saint Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 i cant see it myself. For a start, despite his undoubted ability in front of goal, on set pieces and creativity, lambo just hasnt got the pace for the prem. For that reason he would sit on the hull bench, with venegoor of hesselink (will be very happy if i got that spelling right!) ahead of him in the pecking order. If hull are a ccc team, i cant see them outdoing us in terms of wages etc, though if there is interest it may mean an improved contract from markus and co. Also he'll be confident as we all are that the season after next we'll be in the ccc, and tbh a better proposition to go up than hull, so unless he wants to do a surman and sit on a prem bench for the rest of his career, i cant see this being much of a career progression. Thank the Lord for the German Swiss
krissyboy31 Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 Have to say, I'm in the camp of those who think Rickie will not be good enough (or have the pace) for the Premier League but have no doubt he would be a decent striker in the Championship. There may or may not be anything in this story but let's for argument sake say it is genuine. May be Phil Brown has resigned himself to relegation next season but is looking for a striker to fire them back at the first attempt. Anyone think of a better candidate than Rickie Lambert?
JustMike Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 Just because he has scored loads of goals in League 1 does not make him a Premiership Striker There are loads of examples of CCC strikers like Nugent and Ebanks-Blake from Wolves last season who are not up to the Premiership and fuller set the championship alight did he?
Mr Saints Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 I remember Rickie's exact words when he signed: "If we don't go up this season, we will go up next season" Obviously, circumstances can change but he there was a good chance we wouldn't go up this season when he signed. I think he will be here next season.
John B Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 and fuller set the championship alight did he? So you dont rate him but you do rate Lambert thats OK but as Fuller is playing in the Premiership and Lambert is not we will have to disagree. So is Lambert better than Beattie?
Window Cleaner Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 (edited) Just because he has scored loads of goals in League 1 does not make him a Premiership Striker There are loads of examples of CCC strikers like Nugent and Ebanks-Blake from Wolves last season who are not up to the Premiership Does not Nugent score a few goals for Burnley? I think he does. A true goal scorer will always score goals, wherever he is and at whatever level. Don't forget that under APs stewardship Lambert has become fitter and sharper and is scoring more goals than ever. Scored against Pompey didn't he? (not that that is a model for an EPL defence). As I said early on, plenty would take him for his dead ball kicking alone. We probably don't pay him anywhere near the stars of the CCC and they have more money available than we do.One must not confuse the owner's willingness to spend a bit of money and his entire wealth.As it stands with Newcastle and WBA looking like going straight back up the CCC will be awash with TV money next season,probably in the region of 6 million per club I suppose and plenty will have money burning holes in their coffers. Edited 8 March, 2010 by Window Cleaner
SnailOB Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 IF Rickie were to go we would demand a 'good' fee and I can't see any PL side wanting to take 'a chance' on a player that has spent most of his career in the lower divisions. Lets be honest, we bought him because he was a proven goalscorer at THIS level. After seeing him this season for us I think he is superb but if I we were now in the prem and Rickie was still banging them in for Bristol Rovers - would we be looking at him ? Not meaning to dismiss his qualities, just trying to think how others outside of Southampton would be thinking about him. I'm not sure any PL sides will come knocking if there is any kind of fee - and we cetrtainly do not need to rollover anymore with transfer fees. I would think CCC more likely but don't think anyone there is really in any better position to compete with what Southampton can offer RL at the moment.
Toadhall Saint Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 Oi Hull - back away from Sir Rickie. He's ours and that won't change with ML at the helm. Apart from that we'll send Don Nicola to Hull to make you an offer you can't refuse.
dune Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 I can't see him leaving to join the likes of Hull. The place is a **** hole.
Junior Mullet Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 I can't see him leaving to join the likes of Hull. The place is a **** hole. Agreed. What's more he has just bought a house in the best village in the South.
dune Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 Agreed. What's more he has just bought a house in the best village in the South. which Village?
Dig Dig Posted 8 March, 2010 Author Posted 8 March, 2010 I can't see him leaving to join the likes of Hull. The place is a **** hole. +2! If I was asked to move to Hull, even for a better job with more money I'd tell them to **** off!
corsacar saint Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 Personally I think if we go up next season, Rickie stays, if we do not, I think he will go[he will be 29]. I am not in the know on this particular subject.
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 Lambert has had a prolific season, he will be linked to many clubs between now and the end of august, so what? doesn't mean we have to sell.
Saint Fen Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 I can't see Hull being able to afford him. I have no doubt they will go down and probably be struggling for Money. Wasn't that one of the reasons for them changing Chairman around Christmas? They will likely be in financial trouble if they go down so £3m will be out of their price range.
Give it to Ron Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 I remember the very same being said about Zamora when at Brighton....the very same Zamora that has been outstanding for Fulham this season and even scoring regularly in European games. If he goes he goes ...we will buy the next best in the division with the money hopefully.
Dig Dig Posted 8 March, 2010 Author Posted 8 March, 2010 I remember the very same being said about Zamora when at Brighton....the very same Zamora that has been outstanding for Fulham this season and even scoring regularly in European games. If he goes he goes ...we will buy the next best in the division with the money hopefully. I think that this is one of the key distinctions between the position we are in now now and how we were under the old regime for two reasons: 1. should any player leave, it will most likely be on our terms and for the amount that we feel the player is worth 2. should any player leave, we have enough clout to replace quality with quality (around the CC and league 1 that is)
S-Clarke Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 I remember the very same being said about Zamora when at Brighton....the very same Zamora that has been outstanding for Fulham this season and even scoring regularly in European games. If he goes he goes ...we will buy the next best in the division with the money hopefully. Difference with Zamora is that he was 19/20 at the time he went to spurs, so had time on his side to develop into a decent premiership player. Lambo has missed the boat in that sense, i honestly cannot see a current prem club ever buying him for the money we'd want for him. If he was available on a free or for a snip - it might interest some, but he's not - he'd cost a big fee.
Window Cleaner Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 Difference with Zamora is that he was 19/20 at the time he went to spurs, so had time on his side to develop into a decent premiership player. Lambo has missed the boat in that sense, i honestly cannot see a current prem club ever buying him for the money we'd want for him. If he was available on a free or for a snip - it might interest some, but he's not - he'd cost a big fee. Zamora would have been 22 going on 23 at the time he moved to Spurs.
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 March, 2010 Posted 8 March, 2010 sorry but dont agree. And i guess the only way to solve this is to get to the prem..with Lambert still here. Fuller was just one name that sprang to mind, there are others too. Lambert is a natural goal scorer, and so what if he has lack of pace, works for Heskey and others You could be right, but I think Heskey was once quicker than he is now!!! Some players are just Premiership 'types' and some not. Don't get me wrong, I love Rickie and would love him to play at the highest level, but there are some strikers who just strike you (pardon the pun) as not quite Premiership standard. In horse terms he's top class but not high class... like Steve Bull maybe. I hope you are right mind!!!
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