Jon Venables

[Dog]

What's he been up to then?

 

Allegations of child porn.

 

Life in prison, never let out again.

Edited 7 March, 2010 by Dog

[Kev]

Life in prison, never let out again.

 

I suspect the fact that he's already been sussed by prison officers/inmates may restrict the amount of time he has to 'serve'.

[Dog]

I suspect the fact that he's already been sussed by prison officers/inmates may restrict the amount of time he has to 'serve'.

 

Exactly meaning he can never be released out in the public, so he will be under high security 24hr watch in prison.

[.comsaint]

Just like the Ripper - take the key out the lock - sling it into a nearby river - and leave to rot forever more.

[saint_bert]

What happened to the original thread on this oxygen thief?

[EastleighSoulBoy]

What happened to the original thread on this oxygen thief?

 

I think that it was maybe leading to a situation where this forum might have been accused of contempt of court by releasing information about these young criminals.

[saint_bert]

I think that it was maybe leading to a situation where this forum might have been accused of contempt of court by releasing information about these young criminals.

 

I see

[Pilchards]

Let the Bulgar family have 3 minutes with him in private with an axe.

[IFHP]

Let the Bulgar family have 3 minutes with him in private with an axe.

 

Yes, I agree.

 

Would also save the taxman a few bob, I heard they are short of few million.

[aintforever]

I think it's admirable that our society tries to rehabilitate criminals so that when they are released they can contribute something positive. But in some cases I think the cost is so much and positives so few it has to be worth just throwing away the key or just killing them.

 

To commit another serious crime after what he did and all the time and effort dedicated to keep HIM safe, this scumbag deserves to be left to rot.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

I think it's admirable that our society tries to rehabilitate criminals so that when they are released they can contribute something positive. But in some cases I think the cost is so much and positives so few it has to be worth just throwing away the key or just killing them.

 

To commit another serious crime after what he did and all the time and effort dedicated to keep HIM safe, this scumbag deserves to be left to rot.

 

Can't disagree with that sentiment. +1

[Barney Trubble]

I'm awaiting the lefty wet lettuces to comment about how hard his life was and that he never had a proper upbringing by his own parents. It's all the fault of him not being given strong, moral and ethical structure in his early years and all that sentimental nonsense.

 

Of course, total ********, he should be left to fight his own corner in a prison full of kiddy fiddler haters. He's past help, his head is ****ed beyond belief and he is beyond rehabilitation from even the best mental heath teams.

 

He's a sick bastard and it's time to reap what he has sown.

[Dog]

I'm awaiting the lefty wet lettuces to comment about how hard his life was and that he never had a proper upbringing by his own parents. It's all the fault of him not being given strong, moral and ethical structure in his early years and all that sentimental nonsense.

 

Of course, total ********, he should be left to fight his own corner in a prison full of kiddy fiddler haters. He's past help, his head is ****ed beyond belief and he is beyond rehabilitation from even the best mental heath teams.

 

He's a sick bastard and it's time to reap what he has sown.

 

 

You want to cuddle him, dont you?

[Saintandy666]

Well, he did the murder when he was 10, yes? It's possible for people to change from their childhood and he served his time for that as well. But obviously, if the tabloids are right, then he should go back to prison. It's a shame really, he kept clean for 10 years, but yer if prosecuted, back to prison he should go.

[bridge too far]

Well, he did the murder when he was 10, yes? It's possible for people to change from their childhood and he served his time for that as well. But obviously, if the tabloids are right, then he should go back to prison. It's a shame really, he kept clean for 10 years, but yer if prosecuted, back to prison he should go.

 

Absolutely agree with everything you say.

 

However, I really do hope that the media don't release any more information. It would be dreadful if any trial collapsed because it was considered unfair due to the media identifying his current persona and thereby jeopardising any chance of justice being done.

[Barney Trubble]

You want to cuddle him, dont you?

 

Oh yes Dog. I want to take him under my wing and show him the path of righteousness. I want to convert him to the scriptures, I want to be the seventh angel and deliver him the plague. I want to ride towards him on a white horse with the power of the seventh trumpet, I want to deliver him to the beast.

[Baj]

My mum served on a murder jury last year, and had the same ethical dilema, do you lessen the punishment because of a failed upbringing... in fact we had that same talk over the dinner table today when she was telling my missus about the trial. My point was "so if a kid has a superb upbringing, morally balanced, supportive parents and a well educated start to life, we should punish them *more*?"

[bridge too far]

My mum served on a murder jury last year, and had the same ethical dilema, do you lessen the punishment because of a failed upbringing... in fact we had that same talk over the dinner table today when she was telling my missus about the trial. My point was "so if a kid has a superb upbringing, morally balanced, supportive parents and a well educated start to life, we should punish them *more*?"

 

Listening to his lawyer last week, I think Venables did have a good 'middle class' upbringing and his lawyer is still at a loss to understand why the lad did what he did.

 

Sometimes I question my own views on nature / nurture

[revolution saint]

My mum served on a murder jury last year, and had the same ethical dilema, do you lessen the punishment because of a failed upbringing... in fact we had that same talk over the dinner table today when she was telling my missus about the trial. My point was "so if a kid has a superb upbringing, morally balanced, supportive parents and a well educated start to life, we should punish them *more*?"

 

Surely the point of a jury is to decide guilt? It's the job of the judge to decide sentencing, isn't it?

 

Of course none of us know any details yet so it would be foolish to comment on his crime/guilt/sentence. I do think that his past record should be considered when sentenced if he's guilty - he's had enough time and chances (I hope) to be rehabilitated and so there does come a time when it ceases to be a problem of the system or upbringing and that it's just a product of the individual.

 

It's terrible when this happens (if the allegations are true) because it detracts from the cases where the combination of rehabilitation and punishment have actually worked. That's about as liberal as i can get on this.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Listening to his lawyer last week, I think Venables did have a good 'middle class' upbringing and his lawyer is still at a loss to understand why the lad did what he did.

 

Sometimes I question my own views on nature / nurture

 

And sometimes I just think to myself, once a bad one always a bad one.

 

Beginning to wonder if this criminal got some sick sexual pleasure while he was doing what he did to young Jamie Bulger?

 

What will be annoying is that should he go to trial and get found guilty will his past then be taken into consideration or might he just be treated as a 'first offender'?

[Ash]

People should remember how hard his life was and that he never had a proper upbringing by his own parents. It's all the fault of him not being given strong, moral and ethical structure in his early years.

[Dog]

Listening to his lawyer last week, I think Venables did have a good 'middle class' upbringing and his lawyer is still at a loss to understand why the lad did what he did.

 

Sometimes I question my own views on nature / nurture

 

Really? So skiving off school regularly, watching pornography, watching horror films, smoking cigarettes & inflicting such injuries to another human being, that you would only ever see in sick horror movies.

 

He is just one bad egg.

[Baj]

Surely the point of a jury is to decide guilt? It's the job of the judge to decide sentencing, isn't it?

Which was my second point to her

[andysstuff]

Of course, total ********, he should be left to fight his own corner in a prison full of kiddy fiddler haters. He's past help, his head is ****ed beyond belief and he is beyond rehabilitation from even the best mental heath teams.

 

 

This may explain why he pressed the self destruct button- what's the worst thing to be inside? Probably kiddy fiddler, add that to what he did at 10, and you make him No 1 target inside, with some serious kudos for the 'lucky' killer.

 

Maybe, and I'm not saying this is my opinion, he is racked with guilt and can't live with himself. (Could also explain the drink and drugs). Maybe he decided 'death by prisoner' is what he deserves.

[bridge too far]

Really? So skiving off school regularly, watching pornography, watching horror films, smoking cigarettes & inflicting such injuries to another human being, that you would only ever see in sick horror movies.

 

He is just one bad egg.

 

I don't think those actions you describe above are the preserve of the deprived TBF.

 

However, in the interests of understanding more, I've just been reading a past article in the Guardian. It would seem that he had been in trouble before and came from a 'broken' home.

 

That's not an excuse BTW - it's an observation.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/mar/04/jon-venables-profile-james-bulger-killer

[jawillwill]

What's he been up to then?

 

Allegations of child porn.

 

Life in prison, never let out again.

 

Really? Haven't seen anything about this on the news!

Was a good manager and really should have led England to glory in Euro '96, but these sort of allegations are sickening. He should definately get life (if true of course).

[Made in Southampton]

You Sir are on drugs!

[Manuel]

It surprises me that reasonable grown adults want a young man dead or tortured or imprisoned for ever, for a crime that was committed at the age of ten. I'd have thought, given his age, if there was ever a case for the potential of successful rehabilitation within the custodial system, this (on paper) would stand a more reasonable chance than most.

[Huntingdon]

Jon Venables wasn't considered to be the driving force behind killing Jamie Bulger, so there seems to be shock that he has seriously reoffended and not Thompson.

 

I'm just wondering whether the torment of having to deal with what he done has screwed his mind beyond repair?

 

I'm not a liberal, so I'm not defending him at all; but if anyone had any decency within them, having to live with the memories of Jamie Bulger's death would be impossible to simply forget

[Ludwig]

I think something interesting for some of you to read would be the case of Leopold and Loeb and the argument put forward by Clarence Darrow.

[Wilko]

He was a child when he committed the crime. He then spent a very long time in prison and was given a completely new identity, life and presumably back story. On top of that, one presumes he doesn't have any family support either. Nobody on this board can say they know for sure what he did to end up back in jail, so that's probably unhelpful in such a debate. However, given the situation, would it be any wonder if he was a bit messed up?

[Hatch]

have the parents of Venables and Thompson also been given new identities and houses and cars etc as well?

[Jillyanne]

James Bulgers mother is on This Morning in a minute.

[buctootim]

I dont think they should be viewed in the same way as if they were 20 or 40 at the time. They were 10 years old - if they had committed the crime 6 months earlier they would have been beneath the age of criminal responsibility and totally free long ago.

 

Really what are you going to to do with a 8, 9 or 10 yeard old who commits such a crime - keep them in prison for 70 years at a cost of £37,000pa or try and find a way to rehabilitate them?

Edited 8 March, 2010 by buctootim

[ART]

It is only 150 years when we were hanging 8 year olds for stealing silk hankerchieves, now we pander to the most vile of criminals whatever age. If child porn was involved then this is a prime case for castration for child involved sex offenders. 3 minutes with an axe is too kind a way for him to end up. Let him rot in one of HM's Prisons living under constant fear of the revenge that would befall him by those better at dealing out justice than our judges and court officials.

 

He lost his right (sick) to a new identity the moment he broke his release conditions. Name and shame him and his family too. The public has a right to know every single detail of this case. I can only hope his accomplice Thompson has learned his lesson. Hopefully if not, the Sun and the Mirror will let the public know before anyone else suffers.

[buctootim]

It is only 150 years when we were hanging 8 year olds for stealing silk hankerchieves, now we pander to the most vile of criminals whatever age.

 

Nice attempt at rabble rousing let down only by the fact it isnt true.

[Viking Warrior]

Thompson may have broken his licence regulations but none of us will know that due to his annonimity. The probation service/ Social workers are not oing to put him inside for taking and driving away or burglary are they?

 

Now if it was something more serious like assault then you can bet the sum and Mirror would be running with it

 

As for venables he deserves everything that is comming to him. he was given a second chance but has screwed that up by all accounts.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

Really? So skiving off school regularly, watching pornography, watching horror films, smoking cigarettes.

 

Apart from what you then go on to say I would suggest that was very common for teenagers when I was one of them, though exposure to such things at a younger age imo is most defenitely unhealthy.

 

Art wishing for his family to be named is a bit ott, aside from the fact at the time of the offence they were, however, I do not recall all the info but believed it was the other one who was considered evil with a questionable background.

 

I come from a large family, we have all been brought up in the same way, I have made different choices to my siblings so ask why should the poor choice made by a family member as an individual impact(greater than it does already) on the family as a whole ?

[Crab Lungs]

Someone just released Jon Venables' name and the town with which he had been living in on FB. :-S

 

All allgedely, of course.

[scott_saints]

Someone just released Jon Venables' name and the town with which he had been living in on FB. :-S

 

All allgedely, of course.

Obviously it's not true. So, as it's obviously not true, I think you should tell me.

[Crab Lungs]

Obviously it's not true. So, as it's obviously not true, I think you should tell me.

 

ah, it's bull**** anyway. Just google Blackpool Gazzette, Bulger - I'm sure you'd get it..

 

Reactionary idiots on Facebook...

[Matthew Le God]

It is only 150 years when we were hanging 8 year olds for stealing silk hankerchieves, now we pander to the most vile of criminals whatever age. If child porn was involved then this is a prime case for castration for child involved sex offenders. 3 minutes with an axe is too kind a way for him to end up. Let him rot in one of HM's Prisons living under constant fear of the revenge that would befall him by those better at dealing out justice than our judges and court officials.

 

He lost his right (sick) to a new identity the moment he broke his release conditions. Name and shame him and his family too. The public has a right to know every single detail of this case. I can only hope his accomplice Thompson has learned his lesson. Hopefully if not, the Sun and the Mirror will let the public know before anyone else suffers.

 

Two points...

 

1) Why should his innocent family be "named and shamed"?

2) Why does the public need to know the ins and outs of this case, what are they going to do with that information?

[Smirking_Saint]

I never pander the the arguement of 'he came from a broken home' etc. And i really don't understand it.

 

I was explaining my point to the girlfriend the other day when we saw a 6 year old trying to toe punt a couple of chickens (little b*stard) the missus said it was all the parents fault etc etc however every time someone went into the garden the boy stood and looked as if to say 'i am innocent'

 

Everyone knows the morality of right and wrong, and if it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt that they have commited a crime of such horrific preportions (i.e Bulger) then why waste time and money attempting to rehabilitate ??

 

It clearly does not work. And if you have the mindset to callously take a life then why would should you be given a second chance ?? How many chances did poor jamie bulger and his family get for redemption ?

Edited 8 March, 2010 by Smirking_Saint

[saint_bert]

Two points...

 

1) Why should his innocent family be "named and shamed"?

2) Why does the public need to know the ins and outs of this case, what are they going to do with that information?

 

Point 2 is a valid one, and one I have been expressing since this situation arose

[Matthew Le God]

Point 2 is a valid one, and one I have been expressing since this situation arose

 

Why? What is Mr Joe Public going to do with that information.

[hypochondriac]

I never pander the the arguement of 'he came from a broken home' etc. And i really don't understand it.

 

I was explaining my point to the girlfriend the other day when we saw a 6 year old trying to toe punt a couple of chickens (little b*stard) the missus said it was all the parents fault etc etc however every time someone went into the garden the boy stood and looked as if to say 'i am innocent'

 

Everyone knows the morality of right and wrong, and if it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt that they have commited a crime of such horrific preportions (i.e Bulger) then why waste time and money attempting to rehabilitate ??

 

It clearly does not work. And if you have the mindset to callously take a life then why would should you be given a second chance ?? How many chances did poor jamie bulger and his family get for redemption ?

 

I have worked with children for many years. It's certainly no coincidence that in almost all cases the worst behaved children come from the most dysfunctional family. This is most evident in pre-school age. I'm not commenting on this case but there is no doubt in my mind that nurture plays a huge part in shaping someones perception of right and wrong and their character.

[bridge too far]

I have worked with children for many years. It's certainly no coincidence that in almost all cases the worst behaved children come from the most dysfunctional family. This is most evident in pre-school age. I'm not commenting on this case but there is no doubt in my mind that nurture plays a huge part in shaping someones perception of right and wrong and their character.

 

I'm sure I've heard / read somewhere that Venables was abused as a child.

[saint_bert]

Why? What is Mr Joe Public going to do with that information.

I was agreeing with your point

 

HTH

[Smirking_Saint]

I have worked with children for many years. It's certainly no coincidence that in almost all cases the worst behaved children come from the most dysfunctional family. This is most evident in pre-school age. I'm not commenting on this case but there is no doubt in my mind that nurture plays a huge part in shaping someones perception of right and wrong and their character.

 

I think that you are right, there is definately a lot of nurture involved and believe that dysfunctional families does have an effect on childrens behaviour, but IMO right and wrong is naturally ingrained in us.

[Matthew Le God]

I was agreeing with your point

 

HTH

 

Sorry Misread it.