Tranmere 2 Saints 1 Reaction Thread

[SnailOB]

PMSL

 

Realistic ambition is what most fans have...

 

Realistically I think we should be beating teams like Wycombe / Tranmere / Exeter / Brentford etc.. away from home, at the least not labouring like we seem to do.

 

I like AP, I have loved some of the performances this year but realistically there seems to be a problem when we go away against 'lower' sides.

 

I 'really' believe that if we don't start addressing this as a team then next season will not be the walk in the park that some fans 'realistically' think it will be.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Well it's one person who picks the goddam team and chooses the formation everyweek.........unless there is glaring individual errors on the pitch, it is Pardews responsibility

 

And if the players don`t "perform"???????????????

 

Several missed chances....Pardews fault????

 

Bad marking for their first....Pardew`s fault????

 

Penalty not given.........Pardew`s fault???

 

Nope.... just your agenda...

[St Marco]

How can you blame Pardew for that?! Seriously i actually cannot comprehend how someone could think that?

 

Did he change a winning team that got 7 points from the previous 9? Nope.

Did he put out a defensive formation like we saw a few months ago? Nope.

Did he put on another midfield player to try and hold onto the draw? Nope.

Did he put on some defenders to try and keep it at 1-1? Nope

 

Did he put on 2 strikers when it was 1-1 to try and win the game? Yes.

Did the players miss some sitters that should of had us up 1-3 in the 1st half? Yes.

Did the referee give Tranmere the majority of the decisions? Yes.

Did the referee refuse to give 2 penalties to Saints even though they were apparently clear cut? Yes.

Did the referee give a penalty to Tranmere for apparently nothing? Yes

When Waigo came on did he fail to give us anything extra? yes

etc etc

 

Anyone blaming Pardew for this result is just grinding an axe. At least have the balls to say you simply don't like him rather then trying to make something out of nothing.

[70's Mike]

Realistically I think we should be beating teams like Wycombe / Tranmere / Exeter / Brentford etc.. away from home, at the least not labouring like we seem to do.

 

I like AP, I have loved some of the performances this year but realistically there seems to be a problem when we go away against 'lower' sides.

 

I 'really' believe that if we don't start addressing this as a team then next season will not be the walk in the park that some fans 'realistically' think it will be.

 

it is called southampton disease

it has happenned many times in my 47 years of support

unbeatable at home, full of stars, but away blo*dy awful

[Window Cleaner]

And if the players don`t "perform"???????????????

 

Several missed chances....Pardews fault????

 

Bad marking for their first....Pardew`s fault????

 

Penalty not given.........Pardew`s fault???

 

Nope.... just your agenda...

 

 

 

Unfortunately for many football managers their "performance" and those of their players are intrinsically linked. I mean if it was just the player's fault then no manager would ever be relieved of his functions would he.The manager and the players are one and the same unit, as it written on the wall at SMS, no-one is to blame we are all accountable.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

PMSL?

 

Are you a teenage girl? It would explain a lot

 

Says our resident school boy....:smt026

[OldNick]

No you're being completely irrational here, he's a neutral and his presence shouldn't affect our fans.If we get upset because of one middle aged Skate fan and his daughters we need to seek help. It's a free world get over it.

 

As much as anything he should have the social services look at him. No parent in thier right mind would take your children to a game wearing your hated rivals kit and sit near the away fans. Can you imsgine what could happen if he was seen walking form the ground and seen by a few who are not above attacking anyone in a Pompey shirt.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Unfortunately for many football managers their "performance" and those of their players are intrinsically linked. I mean if it was just the player's fault then no manager would ever be relieved of his functions would he.The manager and the players are one and the same unit, as it written on the wall at SMS, no-one is to blame we are all accountable.

 

Correct...

[saint_stevo]

And if the players don`t "perform"???????????????

 

Several missed chances....Pardews fault????

 

Bad marking for their first....Pardew`s fault????

 

Penalty not given.........Pardew`s fault???

 

Nope.... just your agenda...

 

Things that hopefully should be worked on in training.

 

Jury's out on whether Fonte deserved a pen as far as i can see............

[SnailOB]

How can you blame Pardew for that?! Seriously i actually cannot comprehend how someone could think that?

 

Did he change a winning team that got 7 points from the previous 9? Nope.

Did he put out a defensive formation like we saw a few months ago? Nope.

Did he put on another midfield player to try and hold onto the draw? Nope.

Did he put on some defenders to try and keep it at 1-1? Nope

 

Did he put on 2 strikers when it was 1-1 to try and win the game? Yes.

Did the players miss some sitters that should of had us up 1-3 in the 1st half? Yes.

Did the referee give Tranmere the majority of the decisions? Yes.

Did the referee refuse to give 2 penalties to Saints even though they were apparently clear cut? Yes.

Did the referee give a penalty to Tranmere for apparently nothing? Yes

When Waigo came on did he fail to give us anything extra? yes

etc etc

 

Anyone blaming Pardew for this result is just grinding an axe. At least have the balls to say you simply don't like him rather then trying to make something out of nothing.

 

 

I like him but surely you must see that there is a worrying trend to these sorts of fixtures. Why ?

 

AP hasn't become a bad manager overnight / the players haven't become bad players overnight but WHY are we failing at the same sorts of fixtures this year ?

 

I don't expect to win every week. I didn't expect the result against Norwich and I expected a much closer game against Huddersfield AND Walsall. Unfortunately part of me expected this result today.

 

You can like AP and still question certain aspects of this sides performances. BLAMING Pardew for everything is harsh but he is the man in charge and was the man in charge for same performaces at similar grounds

[saint_stevo]

Says our resident school boy....:smt026

 

ROFLMAO

:smt092:confused::mad:

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Things that hopefully should be worked on in training.

 

Jury's out on whether Fonte deserved a pen as far as i can see............

 

I`m sure they were or are you suggesting otherwise..

 

We won`t get to see the pen claims i doubt.

 

Just pointing out that there were many possible reasons we did not win

but they are not all Pardew`s fault....

[ALWAYS_SFC]

ROFLMAO

:smt092:confused::mad:

 

TBF some of your comments do come across as a bit childish...

[alpine_saint]

I like him but surely you must see that there is a worrying trend to these sorts of fixtures. Why ?

 

AP hasn't become a bad manager overnight / the players haven't become bad players overnight but WHY are we failing at the same sorts of fixtures this year ?

 

I don't expect to win every week. I didn't expect the result against Norwich and I expected a much closer game against Huddersfield AND Walsall. Unfortunately part of me expected this result today.

 

You can like AP and still question certain aspects of this sides performances. BLAMING Pardew for everything is harsh but he is the man in charge and was the man in charge for same performaces at similar grounds

 

A good post. I have no agenda or personal animosity towards AP but I have concerns and also think too many people are taking next season for granted, when there is evidence there that suggest is wont be so easy.

[saint_stevo]

Bottom line

 

Games versus-

Tranmere 19th

Wycombe 23rd

Brentford 14th

Exeter 21st

 

And only 3pts?

 

Not good enough

[saint_stevo]

TBF some of your comments do come across as a bit childish...

 

Pot, meet Mr Kettle

[OldNick]

I fear that the years of changing the manager every few months has taught us SFA.

I think it is time the fans grew some balls and accept that we are a provincial football club and greatness is never going to happen.

Yes AP has had the privilage to manage and spend a bit on our squad, and results like today are disappointing but for heavens sake when do we stop wanting to change the manager every time a poor result comes around?

I think this self destruct button should be held back until we see how the team shapes up after the first 15 games of next season.

[derry]

I would like to see what our balance would be like if a less idiosyncratic player than Lallana was put in at wide midfield.

 

He seems unable to put away the chances that fall to him in games that we struggle. He plays more like an attacking inside forward rather than a wide midfielder, I would like to see how we played with Waigo or Connolly wide right.

 

Nearly everything we score seems to be coming off Puncheon, practically nothing is coming from Lallana except cosmetically attractive cameos.

[OldNick]

A good post. I have no agenda or personal animosity towards AP but I have concerns and also think too many people are taking next season for granted, when there is evidence there that suggest is wont be so easy.

Alps sadly your consistant stance over the time I have been reading this and S4ever has been to snipe away at the club. I accept (IMO)that it is down to frustration, but it does get peoples hackles upo and so no wonder some think you do it for attention or trolling.

No manager wins every game

[Blackheathan]

On way home done by a cheating ref

[alpine_saint]

I fear that the years of changing the manager every few months has taught us SFA.

I think it is time the fans grew some balls and accept that we are a provincial football club and greatness is never going to happen.

Yes AP has had the privilage to manage and spend a bit on our squad, and results like today are disappointing but for heavens sake when do we stop wanting to change the manager every time a poor result comes around?

I think this self destruct button should be held back until we see how the team shapes up after the first 15 games of next season.

 

You may have a point, but ultimately it is not down to us.

[OldNick]

I would like to see what our balance would be like if a less idiosyncratic player than Lallana was put in at wide midfield.

 

He seems unable to put away the chances that fall to him in games that we struggle. He plays more like an attacking inside forward rather than a wide midfielder, I would like to see how we played with Waigo or Connolly wide right.

 

Nearly everything we score seems to be coming off Puncheon, practically nothing is coming from Lallana except cosmetically attractive cameos.

+ 1

I have stated that AL is a luxury that a L1 club cannot afford, and he would be better served if he did leave for better pastures. We need a less flashy player. This is not a pop at AL but just that perhaps he would be better served in the CCC where he may get a little mote time to play his tricks.

[OldNick]

You may have a point, but ultimately it is not down to us.

No it is not down to us, but as you know the fans turning on the manager is a powerful force that changes the whole dynamics of our clubs fortunes.

[Saint_clark]

+ 1

I have stated that AL is a luxury that a L1 club cannot afford, and he would be better served if he did leave for better pastures. We need a less flashy player. This is not a pop at AL but just that perhaps he would be better served in the CCC where he may get a little mote time to play his tricks.

 

Are you suggesting that defenders are better in League One than in the CCC?

[SnailOB]

I fear that the years of changing the manager every few months has taught us SFA.

I think it is time the fans grew some balls and accept that we are a provincial football club and greatness is never going to happen.

Yes AP has had the privilage to manage and spend a bit on our squad, and results like today are disappointing but for heavens sake when do we stop wanting to change the manager every time a poor result comes around?

I think this self destruct button should be held back until we see how the team shapes up after the first 15 games of next season.

 

I don't want him changed. I would much rather see something being done about this weakness we seem to have when it comes to these sorts of fixtures. Like I have said, this season we have seen some fantastic football played so we obviously have the calibre to do well / produce great results.

 

Its not just todays result that is the problem - its a culmination of results like todays that is the problem and I would like nothing more than AP to get this right. I do fear that if he doesn't show by the end of the season that he can address this 'problem' then he may not get the 15 games or whatever next season.

 

I don't know NC I don't know his mind but enough people have posted that he is impatient. I hope he is patient - because like you i believe that the manager merry-go-round solves very little most of the time.

[OldNick]

Are you suggesting that defenders are better in League One than in the CCC?

Nope but I was hoping he would and we could perhaps stiffen the team in that important area

[OldNick]

I don't want him changed. I would much rather see something being done about this weakness we seem to have when it comes to these sorts of fixtures. Like I have said, this season we have seen some fantastic football played so we obviously have the calibre to do well / produce great results.

 

Its not just todays result that is the problem - its a culmination of results like todays that is the problem and I would like nothing more than AP to get this right. I do fear that if he doesn't show by the end of the season that he can address this 'problem' then he may not get the 15 games or whatever next season.

 

I don't know NC I don't know his mind but enough people have posted that he is impatient. I hope he is patient - because like you i believe that the manager merry-go-round solves very little most of the time.

To be fair AP said this week something about racehorse that doesnt like mud, and so he knows the problem

[Saint_clark]

Nope but I was hoping he would and we could perhaps stiffen the team in that important area

 

Still don't follow :confused: We were talking about Lallana, weren't we? Not the quality of our defence...

[Legod Third Coming]

I like him but surely you must see that there is a worrying trend to these sorts of fixtures. Why ?

 

AP hasn't become a bad manager overnight / the players haven't become bad players overnight but WHY are we failing at the same sorts of fixtures this year ?

 

I don't expect to win every week. I didn't expect the result against Norwich and I expected a much closer game against Huddersfield AND Walsall. Unfortunately part of me expected this result today.

 

You can like AP and still question certain aspects of this sides performances. BLAMING Pardew for everything is harsh but he is the man in charge and was the man in charge for same performaces at similar grounds

 

I don't think there is a 'worrying trend'. I think people haven't bothered to look and see that Brentford beat Norwich and drew with Leeds at home, or that Exeter drew with Norwich and Swindon and beat Leeds 2-0 at home...

 

Wycombe drew at Elland Road, drew at home with Swindon... and so on and so on and so on...

 

I think people live in a fecking bubble where they take no account of the opposition, their motivation, the referee or luck and simply believe we can WIN every game come what may. They have no idea how the top teams do against these clubs but bemoan our performance as worse, when often it is actually the same as other top clubs, if not fecking better!

 

They are bonkers. On which note I'm off for a drink...

[derry]

+ 1

I have stated that AL is a luxury that a L1 club cannot afford, and he would be better served if he did leave for better pastures. We need a less flashy player. This is not a pop at AL but just that perhaps he would be better served in the CCC where he may get a little mote time to play his tricks.

 

I Watched the England game and the way Walcott didn't come to terms with a wide midfield role and felt at the time he went to the wrong club. Man Utd would have utilised his pace wide, Arsenal don't and use him as part of their footballing pattern. He reminded me of the way Lallana also doesn't seem able to adapt.

 

The next day I read an article by Chris Waddle who said that Walcott was no different now than when he first saw him as a 16 year old and sadly he just doesn't have a football brain. This is also my view of Lallana.

[Saint_clark]

I don't think there is a 'worrying trend'. I think people haven't bothered to look and see that Brentford beat Norwich and drew with Leeds at home, or that Exeter drew with Norwich and Swindon and beat Leeds 2-0 at home...

 

Wycombe drew at Elland Road, drew at home with Swindon... and so on and so on and so on...

 

 

 

This is the most important point for me. The other teams in this league aren't here just to make up the Southampton fixture list.

[OldNick]

Still don't follow :confused: We were talking about Lallana, weren't we? Not the quality of our defence...

AL's position is very important as well, and a more traditional worker and player in that position would be better IMO. I love watching lovely football but you have to earn the right to play it that way

[SnailOB]

To be fair AP said this week something about racehorse that doesnt like mud, and so he knows the problem

 

We ALL know the problem - its been talked about for a while now. The big test is how he fixes it. Now he has highlighted it himself publicaly I would think NC will be watching these sorts of fixtures very closely - this basis today cannot be a good day for AP

[Saint_clark]

I Watched the England game and the way Walcott didn't come to terms with a wide midfield role and felt at the time he went to the wrong club. Man Utd would have utilised his pace wide, Arsenal don't and use him as part of their footballing pattern. He reminded me of the way Lallana also doesn't seem able to adapt.

 

The next day I read an article by Chris Waddle who said that Walcott was no different now than when he first saw him as a 16 year old and sadly he just doesn't have a football brain. This is also my view of Lallana.

 

RE Theo, United were the only top 4 club not interested in him.

RE Lallana, you think he has no footballing brain?

[Saint_clark]

AL's position is very important as well, and a more traditional worker and player in that position would be better IMO. I love watching lovely football but you have to earn the right to play it that way

 

Well AFAIK we tried that for 4-5 games with Lee Holmes, where he got a grand total of 0 goals and 0 assists before getting injured - again.

[OldNick]

I Watched the England game and the way Walcott didn't come to terms with a wide midfield role and felt at the time he went to the wrong club. Man Utd would have utilised his pace wide, Arsenal don't and use him as part of their footballing pattern. He reminded me of the way Lallana also doesn't seem able to adapt.

 

The next day I read an article by Chris Waddle who said that Walcott was no different now than when he first saw him as a 16 year old and sadly he just doesn't have a football brain. This is also my view of Lallana.

Yep it was sad to see Theo drowning and not knowing how to survive. AL I think does have a football brain,but somehow thinks a flick or clever touch masks other missing parts to his game.

[OldNick]

Well AFAIK we tried that for 4-5 games with Lee Holmes, where he got a grand total of 0 goals and 0 assists before getting injured - again.

 

How did we do in those games?

[AndyNorthernSaints]

lol,

 

There best player was the ref, lets be fully serious.

 

Correct. The ref was that bad he can only be described as a cheat.

[captainchris]

Same old Saints 2 great wins followed by a sloppy performance. And that is what is killing us at the moment, the inconsistency of the team. That is AP challenge for the rest of the season, 2 good home wins this week will make all the difference, but we have to get the away performance sorted out at these types of places ready for next season.

 

Stats point to us not controlling games away from home. Against a team like Tranmere they had more possession than us! We are not playing a passing game nearly enough to be consistent.

 

AP needs to construct a pattern of play that works for us every game. For large parts of too many games we play too long and too central this means our quality is not exposed to the opposition too many times. Result - inconsistency and it's happening a hell of a lot.... The tactics are too muddled. No question we have great players but AP is definitely short on a structured method of play and while this continues we will struggle to dominate this league or any other.

 

Method of play - tactics - structure, this is where AP is well short at the moment - his judgement of a player seems very good but ........

[OldNick]

Correct. The ref was that bad he can only be described as a cheat.

Don't hold back Andy stop being diplomatic

[SnailOB]

I don't think there is a 'worrying trend'. I think people haven't bothered to look and see that Brentford beat Norwich and drew with Leeds at home, or that Exeter drew with Norwich and Swindon and beat Leeds 2-0 at home...

 

Wycombe drew at Elland Road, drew at home with Swindon... and so on and so on and so on...

 

I think people live in a fecking bubble where they take no account of the opposition, their motivation, the referee or luck and simply believe we can WIN every game come what may. They have no idea how the top teams do against these clubs but bemoan our performance as worse, when often it is actually the same as other top clubs, if not fecking better!

 

They are bonkers. On which note I'm off for a drink...

 

But then doesn't that make a mockery of the league table. If all the top teams are losing to the bottom teams why aren't the bottom teams at the top and the top teams at the bottom (that sounds awful but I hope you get the idea)

 

I don't care about the other clubs so excuse the bubble - I do see it as a problem and if we are to have another go at this division next year we have to do better. Even AP himself has stated the same with regards to our performances on 'lesser' pitches at the so-called 'lesser' teams.

 

I'll just have to accept that i'm bonkers to see otherwise - enjoy your drink !

[Saint_clark]

How did we do in those games?

 

I don't know, can't remember when it was. But I know he hasn't got any assists or goals in the 5 appearances he's made.

[JibMcdo]

4-5-1 anyone?

[derry]

RE Theo, United were the only top 4 club not interested in him.

RE Lallana, you think he has no footballing brain?

 

You don't know that.

 

He is is a natural very skillful controller of a football he does not have an astute fooball brain. His naivety in consistently taking up ineffective positions sadly accentuate that. I personally would like to see how we play without him.

[Secret Site Agent]

Just not happy really. Ref was a joke, but if we were 3-1 up it wouldn't have made a difference.

 

Also, I think Pardew should take them training in a field, just to get used to playing on crap grounds.

[Saint_clark]

4-5-1 anyone?

 

Brilliant. Lose one game after going unbeaten for just over 2 months using 4-4-2 and all of a sudden we must play 4-5-1.

[doddisalegend]

Yep I've got realistic expectations, League 1's most expensive side, capable of turning over Huddersfield and Norwich with ease shouldn't get derailed on a regular basis by craphole sides from craphole places, how unrealistic is that. One maybe two really bad results well that's hazard for you, that it happens time after time after time it's systemic.

 

Sorry isn't this our first loss in 2010 hardly qualifies as getting de-railed on a regular basis.

[Saint_clark]

You don't know that.

 

He is is a natural very skillful controller of a football he does not have an astute fooball brain. His naivety in consistently taking up ineffective positions sadly accentuate that. I personally would like to see how we play without him.

 

Ineffective positions? I thought he had two great chances to score today, but it was his finishing that let him down...

[OldNick]

Ineffective positions? I thought he had two great chances to score today, but it was his finishing that let him down...

That is something that has worried me since he first came to the fore. For some reason he does not know how to strike the ball cleanly when he has a chance. it may be something as taking his eye off the ball for a split second. It really is somehting that is needed to be improved very quickly, if he is ever to reach the heights many think he is capable of.

[Saint_clark]

That is something that has worried me since he first came to the fore. For some reason he does not know how to strike the ball cleanly when he has a chance. it may be something as taking his eye off the ball for a split second. It really is somehting that is needed to be improved very quickly, if he is ever to reach the heights many think he is capable of.

 

Isn't he 20? I can think of only a few people in the history of the game who were complete players by that age. And none of them were playing in the third tier of English football.