Football bets question

[Thedelldays]

I did an accy yesterday and all the results have come in (bar liverpool beating blackburn at home today)...thing is, on of the games i had down was called off (brentford)..

 

if they all came in I would have got over £450 from a £3 bet..

 

what happens if liverpool beat blackburn..will I get reduced odds? or is the ticket null and void..?

 

cheers

[RedAndWhite91]

Reduced odds, it's still valid, they'll just knock off some of the winnings. Nice one anyway, won my accy yesterday too.

[Thedelldays]

get in..liverpool won

 

I wonder how much they will lob off from £450 seeing as brentford was called off

[RedAndWhite91]

Doubt it will be all that much, how many games did you have on?

[Thedelldays]

9 in the original bet

[Hatch]

get in..liverpool won

 

I wonder how much they will lob off from £450 seeing as brentford was called off

 

if Liverpool were about 1/4 (guesstimate) then I reckon they will lob off about £90

[SuperMikey]

I'm just about to place my very first accumulator bet - i've bet casually on the Grand National before, but nothing like this. Stake isn't very high, i'm only putting a quid on, but it could come in at £1916, so worth a pop! Here are the bets:

 

02 Mar 2010 - Notts County v Macclesfield - 90 Minutes

Draw @ 11/4

 

03 Mar 2010 - Netherlands v USA - 90 Minutes

Draw @ 5/2

 

02 Mar 2010 - Rochdale v Rotherham - 90 Minutes

Rotherham @ 13/5

 

03 Mar 2010 - Hungary v Russia - 90 Minutes

Russia @ 10/11

 

02 Mar 2010 - Southampton v Huddersfield - 90 Minutes

Draw @ 11/5

 

02 Mar 2010 - Salisbury v Crawley - 90 Minutes

Crawley @ 13/8

 

03 Mar 2010 - Germany v Argentina - 90 Minutes

Germany @ 13/10

 

 

Shall I go for it? Any bets you'd change?

[oxfordshire_saint]

I'm just about to place my very first accumulator bet - i've bet casually on the Grand National before, but nothing like this. Stake isn't very high, i'm only putting a quid on, but it could come in at £1916, so worth a pop! Here are the bets:

 

02 Mar 2010 - Notts County v Macclesfield - 90 Minutes

Draw @ 11/4

 

03 Mar 2010 - Netherlands v USA - 90 Minutes

Draw @ 5/2

 

02 Mar 2010 - Rochdale v Rotherham - 90 Minutes

Rotherham @ 13/5

 

03 Mar 2010 - Hungary v Russia - 90 Minutes

Russia @ 10/11

 

02 Mar 2010 - Southampton v Huddersfield - 90 Minutes

Draw @ 11/5

 

02 Mar 2010 - Salisbury v Crawley - 90 Minutes

Crawley @ 13/8

 

03 Mar 2010 - Germany v Argentina - 90 Minutes

Germany @ 13/10

 

 

Shall I go for it? Any bets you'd change?

 

I think Rochdale vs Rotherham will be a draw, we'll beat Huddersfield, Netherlands will win and so will Notts County.

[oxfordshire_saint]

Worst accy experience I ever had was earlier in the season, did a whole day of League One fixtures, the only 2 that didn't come in were us failing to beat Colchester at home when we were all over them and Norwich drawing at home with Walsall, again when they should have won.

 

If it had came in, it would've been worth thousands!

[SuperMikey]

I don't quite get this accy thing, do all of the results have to come in in order for you to get any money out of it, or do you get less money the less results you get right?

[Nexstar]

I don't quite get this accy thing, do all of the results have to come in in order for you to get any money out of it, or do you get less money the less results you get right?

 

All of them, and i would go with the changes recommended above. Draws are difficult to predict, you'd be better off going for winners each time.

[SuperMikey]

Those changes would take my potential winnings from £1916 to £189. Bum. Still, it's only a quid anyway. It's all your fault if I lose...

[oxfordshire_saint]

Those changes would take my potential winnings from £1916 to £189. Bum. Still, it's only a quid anyway. It's all your fault if I lose...

 

I tend to spend between £5-£10 a week on accumulators (golden rule, only bet what you can afford to lose!)

 

I'll do £1 or £2 bets on stuff that's likely to give a return of £30-£50 and then have a long shot punt with one bet that's usually worth thousands from a quid or so.

 

The long shot ones are always unlikely to come in, but you never know (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2870870/94th-min-goal-by-Norwich-supersub-Oli-Johnson-wins-100k-bet.html)

[RedAndWhite91]

In Ladbrokes I think it is, it has guarenteed odds of 33/1 for 3 draws. So if you stick a fiver on 3 draws and they come in, you're looking at £165, which isn't bad going considering it is only 3 results.

[Thedelldays]

if Liverpool were about 1/4 (guesstimate) then I reckon they will lob off about £90

it was brentford that was called off..I had them to win on the accy..they odds printed on the ticket are 4/5

[Thedelldays]

well...out of a nine game accy reduced to eight with one game called off which I had brentford to win at 4/5..they have lobbed £200 of my winnings..

I can only get £250 tomorrow, when they have more money in..WTF...!!!

 

 

seems steep

[Hatch]

well...out of a nine game accy reduced to eight with one game called off which I had brentford to win at 4/5..they have lobbed £200 of my winnings..

I can only get £250 tomorrow, when they have more money in..WTF...!!!

 

 

seems steep

 

Thats about right, you won the first 8 games so in theory you had £250 on brentford to win at 4/5 . Which is £200.

[Thedelldays]

Thats about right, you won the first 8 games so in theory you had £250 on brentford to win at 4/5 . Which is £200.

ahhh.. i guess

is it normal for them to tell you to come back as they have no money to pay out..?

[bungle]

Worst accy experience I ever had was earlier in the season, did a whole day of League One fixtures, the only 2 that didn't come in were us failing to beat Colchester at home when we were all over them and Norwich drawing at home with Walsall, again when they should have won.

 

If it had came in, it would've been worth thousands!

 

My worst was last season, Cheltenham Town scoring a 95th minute equaliser away at Brighton which cost me £650.

[Rut]

In Ladbrokes I think it is, it has guarenteed odds of 33/1 for 3 draws. So if you stick a fiver on 3 draws and they come in, you're looking at £165, which isn't bad going considering it is only 3 results.

 

They ain't giving you anything special there. All they are saying is that a treble on the 3 lowest priced draws will pay at least 33/1.

 

ie - say the shortest priced draws are all 9/4 and you put a quid on.

 

1.00 @ 9/4 = 3.25

 

3.25 @ 9/4 = 10.5625

 

10.5625 @ 9/4 = 34.328125 which is your 33/1 (just over actually)

 

You could do a dog, a horse & a draw. If they are all 9/4 you will be getting 33/1 on your money.

 

Don't be suckered in by the odds they flash up. There ain't nothing fancy about em. It's just the price that an accum pays. You don't have to do 10 homes, 3 draws, 5 aways etc to get these big prices.

 

As for the original post. Just take the postponed game off of you accum and re-calculate it. As somebody said if a 4/5 shot is dropped then yeah you will go from 450 to 250. 250 quid on a 4/5 shot pays 450. There is no funny business going on - it's just you've lost a 4/5 shot from your bets. Think yourself lucky - that 4/5 shot could well have let you down and you'd be picking up zilch!!!

 

Accumulator odds are just simple maths. If you find it confusing then just think of this. 10 even money's (1/1 odds) pays 1023/1. Turn a quid into a grand by just picking 10 favourites. Easy money. Or not as the case may be...

 

1/ 1.00 @ 1/1 = 2

2/ 2 @ 1/1 = 4

3/ 4 @ 1/1 = 8

4/ 8 @ 1/1 = 16

5/ 16 @ 1/1 = 32

6/ 32 @ 1/1 = 64

7/ 64 @ 1/1 = 128

8/ 128 @ 1/1 = 256

9/ 256 @ 1/1 = 512

10/ 512 @ 1/1 = 1024

 

My worst one. A quid 10 team accum. Quite a few were over even money and it paid just over 16 grand. One of them was Grimsby v Bmouth to be a draw. It was - until the last min when Paul Groves scored the winner for Grimsby. The rest came in so he cost me 16 grand and therefore is one of my most hated players/managers ever (along with Sammy Lee of course). This git even became caretaker manager at Pompey recently. No getting away from the ******!!!

 

Good luck everyone :-)

[RedAndWhite91]

Cheers for the info Rut, a sort-of-beginner like myself doesn't think of those sorts of things. I see 33/1 on 3 draws and then I see $$$... I guess the bookies almost always win, I'll keep it in mind. Thanks.

[chrisobee]

Cheers for the info Rut, a sort-of-beginner like myself doesn't think of those sorts of things. I see 33/1 on 3 draws and then I see $$$... I guess the bookies almost always win, I'll keep it in mind. Thanks.

 

Accas are the bookies favourite bet bar none, for every big winner ( which in any event generates some nice free publicity) there are 100's of losing bets.

[SuperMikey]

Lost my accy now, Crawley drew with Salisbury and Rochdale beat Rotherham 4-0

Still, got Saints and Notts County results right!

[Rut]

Accas are the bookies favourite bet bar none, for every big winner ( which in any event generates some nice free publicity) there are 100's of losing bets.

 

Those and the 'scorecast' bets that have become popular in recent years. 33/1 Lambert to score 1st and Saints to win 3-1 etc. They make a huge profit on those & (like above) always get a lot of 'free' publicity if lots of people happen to back a winning one.

 

I'm back in England for a couple of weeks soon. I can't wait to walk into a real bricks 'n' mortar bookie and pick up a coupon, a pen and analyse the pricewise chart in the Racing Post (I assume this still exists!).

 

Tell ya - I am gonna win a small fortune whilst I'm there!!!! Maybe...

[Crab Lungs]

Well, accy's are how I make an extra income.

 

I'll normally select 15 'banker' teams - ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen and fourteen fold and 15/15 (covering all bases to ensure a return but more expensive!) and have a fairly good record.

 

It's a bit of a learning curve and I've taken a few hits but I definitely reckon I'm doing ok at it. Always worth looking around at some form guides as well, just to check some of the 'bankers' are having a good season, home/away's and current form of 'bankers' and their opposition before any concrete decision.

 

And... I totally have sympathy for some of the guys on here who have lost accy's on freak last minute goals... thankfully, I had a bit of good fortune last year... I'd backed Anderlecht against a rather lowly opponent only to see Anderlecht squander a 1-0 lead late on in the game and subsequently get a player sent off.

 

I was about to screw up my ticket and as the game ticked over into stoppage time, I decided to leave the game behind and go make a cup of tea. I returned to find not only had Anderlecht scored, but they had done so in the 7th and last minute of some rather dubious and unprecedented injury time - so I was quids in again

Edited 4 March, 2010 by Crab Lungs

[Rut]

I'll normally select 15 'banker' teams - ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen and fourteen fold and 15/15 (covering all bases to ensure a return but more expensive!) and have a fairly good record.

 

That's interesting. With 15 teams and covering down to any 10 - exactly how many bets is that? (I can't find a perm chart which goes up to 15!).

 

It's 66 bets to cover any 10 from 12 so it must be a lot.

 

At a wild guess I'd almost reckon that if you only got 10 out of the 15 correct then you'd be making a very small profit - if any (depending on the odds of the 10).

 

I was about to screw up my ticket and as the game ticked over into stoppage time, I decided to leave the game behind and go make a cup of tea. I returned to find not only had Anderlecht scored, but they had done so in the 7th and last minute of some rather dubious and unprecedented injury time - so I was quids in again

 

Nice one. That could be an interesting thread. Late goals and dodgy decisions that have WON you money. Ummmm... I can't think of any! I guess we don't remember those so much...

[Thedelldays]

I always have a go at ladbrokes millionaire game....never get a sniff..

[stevegrant]

I won a 10-team accumulator on FA Cup 1st Round weekend thanks to a Wrexham goal in the 89th minute and a Burton Albion goal in the 96th minute

 

Chelsea were the ones to screw me over last weekend, all the others came in comfortably.

[stevegrant]

I always have a go at ladbrokes millionaire game....never get a sniff..

You're better off picking your own matches rather than going for their predetermined ones as they'll always throw one or two tricky ones in, even in the first block of games on the Millionaire.

[Rut]

I won a 10-team accumulator on FA Cup 1st Round weekend thanks to a Wrexham goal in the 89th minute and a Burton Albion goal in the 96th minute

 

Jammy c****!!!

[Crab Lungs]

That's interesting. With 15 teams and covering down to any 10 - exactly how many bets is that? (I can't find a perm chart which goes up to 15!).

 

It's 66 bets to cover any 10 from 12 so it must be a lot.

 

At a wild guess I'd almost reckon that if you only got 10 out of the 15 correct then you'd be making a very small profit - if any (depending on the odds of the 10).

 

You know... I'm ashamed to say but I haven't a clue about the intricacies! I wish I could say I had a perfect formula but like I said, it's still a learning curve, thats for sure!

 

The basis I work on is ensuring that I cover my outlay using the 10/15 an 11/15 'bankers and anything else earnt extra is a bonus - and because they are normally 'red-hot' favourites, I do see a profit I bet small on the 10, 11, 12 sections and normally considerably bigger on 13,14,15 on the accy - depending on how much I can afford to lay out.

 

Won a few three and four figures sums but I've lost what I've considered 'big' when I have a 'freak week' and only score 8 and 9's out 15 :-o

 

I do this by using the integrated odds calculator on BlueSq, which of course, makes it easy.

 

Nice one. That could be an interesting thread. Late goals and dodgy decisions that have WON you money. Ummmm... I can't think of any! I guess we don't remember those so much...

 

Haha, it would - my friend just won a few grand on Rangers last minute as part of an accy but being the risque chap he is, spunked almost all of it away a few hours later

 

His method is different to mine - he normally does 3-5 teams, all to win, homes and aways and the matches he chooses are a lot closer in terms of teams playing, for example 'Liverpool v Arsenal' as opposed to 'Man Utd v Wigan'... he has to bet a bigger than me (normally over a ton) but gets a good return when they come in.

[countysaint]

http://www.ladbrokes.com/betCalculator/betCalc.html

This is the site that I usually use to work out the winnings...............or what might have been.

It's usually the latter.

like Steve,I and a fair few others on Saturday, Chelsea ruined many a cupon.

[Rut]

You're better off picking your own matches rather than going for their predetermined ones

 

Yeah - plus as mentioned above they ain't giving you any special odds. It is the same as those 'pick 1/2/3 from each section' where they flash the minimum odds up to make it look special. It ain't - you are just making it harder for yourself. The odds are the same on all the games.

 

For all you would-be millionaires then it ain't that hard. Try this 2 quid 10 team accy for Saturday (Stan James odds - just cos I was on that site):

£2.00 12/5 West Ham v Bolton - draw

£6.80 13/5 Wigan v Lpool - draw

£24.48 5/2 Doncaster

£85.68 7/4 Palace

£235.62 12/5 QPR

£801.11 9/4 Weds v Leicester - draw

£2,603.60 4/1 Bristol Rovers

£13,018.01 3/1 Morecambe

£52,072.02 2/1 Grimbsy

£156,216.06 13/2 Lincoln

You win £1,171,620.45!!!

 

Sure it ain't exactly certain to happen but you get the idea. It's no more unlikely than trying to pick 6 lottery numbers.

 

I ain't actually gonna do this bet. Please do not come in!!!!

[Draino76]

I had Germany to beat the Argies last night.

 

The only FAIL on a 200-1 shot.

 

What I think this forum should do for every Saturday is put up a sticky for an accumulator fred. We all know fans of other teams who have inside information the bookies don't. For example a Southend season ticket holder has told me there has been lots training ground brawls this week and that the players are losing respect for the manager. Most of my bets are not researched enough due to being lazy but if we went the extra mile to discuss say a 10 match accumulator between us; we should improve our chances somewhat.

[Thedelldays]

You're better off picking your own matches rather than going for their predetermined ones as they'll always throw one or two tricky ones in, even in the first block of games on the Millionaire.

I know...does my head in

 

every week when there is a full fixture list..I always do a £3 or £5 accy with a £2 go at the millionaire game...

 

never got past the 1st block of 5 games though

[chrisobee]

 

What I think this forum should do for every Saturday is put up a sticky for an accumulator fred. We all know fans of other teams who have inside information the bookies don't.

QUOTE]

 

You mean info like this, not exactly inside info but not the sort of thing you are likely to come across unless specifically looking for it or as in this case it lands in your email inbox !

 

BARROW v Cambridge

 

Barrow have lost only one home game against teams outside the top six (0:3 to Altrincham back in August) – there may have been a few too many draws (2:2 vs Wimbledon, 1:1 vs Hayes, 3:3 vs Gateshead, 1:1 vs Forest Green, 2:2 vs Grays), but they've also won a few (3:1 vs Mansfield, 1:0 vs Tamworth, 2:0 vs Ebbsfleet) and, if we take a look at both Barrow's and Cambridge's current teams and recent results, they should be much bigger favorites against Cambridge who have only won twice away from home (4:2 at deleted Chester, 3:1 at Ebbsfleet back in August). After all, Barrow showed what they're capable of infront of their fans on Tuesday, when they kicked York out of the FA Trophy and they'll be even stronger tomorrow – strikers Chadwick (who scored a hattrick last weekend) and McEvilly were both ineligible for the FA Trophy tie and they've just brought another midfielder, Owen from Chester.

 

Cambridge are without no1 goalkeeper Potter, key winger Willmott (both injured), another winger Murray (suspended) and maybe even defender Partridge and midfielder McAuley (both are doubtful), their only win in the last thirteen (!) games was an FA Trophy win at poor Eastbourne and btw Cambridge have lost 0:2 at home to Barrow back in August.

 

So are Barrow a decent price at 11/8 ( Blue Sq and 888 sport) ? I would suggest they are !

[Crab Lungs]

Good post, chrisobee... and yes, information like that!

 

Just had a look at fixtures this weekend, not impressive for my type of betting - big clubs v big clubs all over the world at the moment and its also the dreaded 'FA Cup' weekend.

 

Anyway... my tips for a £23.60 stake (5,6,7,8 fold and 9 result accy) and a £225 (9/9) return...:

 

Chelsea, Real Madrid, Inter, Wisla Krakow, Newcastle, Leeds, Norwich, Panathinaikos and Valencia (all at home).

 

That said - not all of the teams above are 'bankers' - they are just the best from a pretty dire bunch this weekend

Edited 5 March, 2010 by Crab Lungs

[saint_stevo]

wisla losing!

[chrisobee]

Good post, chrisobee... and yes, information like that!

 

Just had a look at fixtures this weekend, not impressive for my type of betting - big clubs v big clubs all over the world at the moment and its also the dreaded 'FA Cup' weekend.

 

Anyway... my tips for a £23.60 stake (5,6,7,8 fold and 9 result accy) and a £225 (9/9) return...:

 

Chelsea, Real Madrid, Inter, Wisla Krakow, Newcastle, Leeds, Norwich, Panathinaikos and Valencia (all at home).

 

That said - not all of the teams above are 'bankers' - they are just the best from a pretty dire bunch this weekend

 

Well it might also be a good idea not to limit yourself to football only. Eg, there are a few of us who are very keen Rugby League fans, that can often throw up "bankers" for Acca purposes and of course the more options you allow yourself the "easier" ( relatively speaking of course!) it would be to come up with selections.

[Crab Lungs]

wisla losing!

 

Wisla pwned

[saints_is_the_south]

Just registered on Ladbrokes & gone for the following 10 match accy this weekend.

 

Aston Villa Vs Wolves - home win

Everton Vs Bolton - home win

Arsenal Vs West Ham - home win

Manchester United Vs Liverpool - home win

Fulham Vs Man City - home win

Blackburn Vs Chelsea - away win

Nottm Forest Vs Peterborough - home win

Bristol City Vs Newcastle - away win

MK Dons Vs Saints - away win

Grimsby Vs Bournemouth - away win

 

£2 pays £647. Not too bad I thought considering that I have bet on the favourites on nearly all of the above.

[SuperMikey]

My accy for this weekend:

 

Wigan v Burnley

Burnley @ 4/1

 

QPR v Swansea

QPR @ 5/4

 

MK Dons v Southampton

Southampton @ 13/8

 

Grimsby v Bournemouth

Bournemouth @ 11/10

 

Hearts v Hibernian

Hibernian @ 13/8

 

Ebbsfleet United v Luton

Luton @ 8/11

 

Fulham v Man City

Fulham @ 21/10

 

£1 stake as always, potential returns of £871.67. Worth a punt imo!

[saint_stevo]

rule 1- never put saints on an accy

[SuperMikey]

I've put Saints on my last 2 accys and we've won both times, i'm not going to stop now!

[countysaint]

rule 1- never put saints on an accy

Agreed

They ALWAYS let you down when there's money ridng on it!

[countysaint]

My accy for this weekend:

 

Wigan v Burnley

Burnley @ 4/1

 

QPR v Swansea

QPR @ 5/4

 

MK Dons v Southampton

Southampton @ 13/8

 

Grimsby v Bournemouth

Bournemouth @ 11/10

 

Hearts v Hibernian

Hibernian @ 13/8

 

Ebbsfleet United v Luton

Luton @ 8/11

 

Fulham v Man City

Fulham @ 21/10

 

£1 stake as always, potential returns of £871.67. Worth a punt imo!

 

Looking a your Accy Mikey, I'M having some of that.......................Damn fine call me thinks!

Beers on me if it comes in!

Edited 19 March, 2010 by countysaint
crap spelling

[SuperMikey]

Looking a your Accy Mikey, I'M having some of that.......................Damn fine call me thinks!

Beers on me if it comes in!

 

Don't drive my odds down ya f*cker!

[SuperMikey]

As the Hibbies are currently getting mullered by Hearts, and i've got a few quid rattling around in my pocket, i've put another accy on.

 

 

Sunderland v Birmingham

Birmingham @ 13/5

 

Doncaster v Sheff Utd

Sheff Utd @ 11/5

 

Leeds v Millwall

Millwall @ 3/1

 

Grimsby v Bournemouth

Bournemouth @ 23/20

 

Ebbsfleet United v Luton

Luton @ 3/4

 

Aberdeen v Dundee Utd

Dundee Utd @ 8/5

 

QPR v Swansea

QPR @ 6/4

 

Again, £1 stake, with potential returns of £1126.94

[harvey]

Birmingham cost me today :smt071

 

I had.........

 

Everton win :smt038

Wigan win :smt038

Birmingham win :-({|=

Brighton win :smt038

Swindon-Norwich draw :smt038

[Huntingdon]

Did anyone get on Chievo - Catania on Sunday?

 

Once again Italian football has been hit by match fixing

 

Most bookies stopped taking bets on Thursday, as huge bets for the draw came in

There were huge bets for a 1-1 draw

 

Betfair kept the book open - £2.4M bet on the match, of which £2.3M was placed on the draw. It went off at 1.86 (odds on for a draw pre-match is unheard of)

 

£250k placed on Correct Score betting - £240k on a 1-1 draw

 

Surprise,Surprise it ends 1-1!

 

It's amazing how a major football league can be so corrupt