Anyone Remember Sheff U Away Xmas '73?

[RonManager]

I used to see Dougal walking his dogs in Fleming Park, some 20 years ago. So rumours of his demise are grossly exaggerated.

 

He was, at one stage, one of the Milton 'faces'.

 

Yeah, UnionHotel's tale of the railway bridge incident rings a bell so that's probably what I was thinking of.

[KK the 2nd]

Dougal and Bootsie were unstoppable. I remember after the Fairs Cup (now UEFA/Europa) how it took about eight old bill to hold Dougal down as he tried to take on Newcastle single handed.

[OldNick]

I saw Dougal walking his dogs in Woodlands a few years back.

'dougal is our leader.' and 'bootsie is our leader' used to be sung, I dont think the 'Sammy Sammy you're a ...' would get off the ground this day and age, and rightly so. He was supposedly the main Spurs man

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Babs, the one armed guy. Chelsea, I think?

[70's Mike]

Dougall was the main man.He was a bit before my time but i did get to meet him once just before the skates match in 84.I wonder if he still goes?

 

Dougall, Malc Lovelock etc were the main men late 60's , early 70's.

As a 16 year old i remember chasing spuds and sammy back down Hill Lane towards the Station when they turned to face us, I found myself next to Dougall who looked at me and said just stand young'n

Used to go on the train with Malc to away games between 76 and 78 have not seen them for years

[Toomer]

Dougall, Malc Lovelock etc were the main men late 60's , early 70's.

As a 16 year old i remember chasing spuds and sammy back down Hill Lane towards the Station when they turned to face us, I found myself next to Dougall who looked at me and said just stand young'n

Used to go on the train with Malc to away games between 76 and 78 have not seen them for years

 

Last time I saw Dougall and Malc was about 1980 when I used to DJ at the old Saints Supporters Club at The Dell. Still see Bootsie (Ron) in Shirley from time to time.

[TijuanaTim]

I used to see Dougal walking his dogs in Fleming Park, some 20 years ago. So rumours of his demise are grossly exaggerated.

 

He was, at one stage, one of the Milton 'faces'.

 

 

Dougal was the top man, not really part of any crew e.g. Wimpson, Market Diner etc Just him Malcy Lovejoy Was it Lovelock? Long time ago) and some 'good old boys'. As far as I know he is still alive and well, at least he was last time I heard.

 

He did indeed used to keep dog(s), at one stage it was always Old English Sheepdogs that he liked. With us football lads he could be quite an ominous and broody type, a man of few words until the preverbial hit the fan that was - the very last mush anyone would want to mess with. Mind you, at Fleming Park or wherever, if you got him talking about his dogs then he was very talkative.

 

At the mayhem that ensued after our Highbury visit, with the OB severely over-worked - remember him pulling fans out of a black mariah, meatwagon as quick as the officers put them in.

 

Used to see Dougal with Malcy and mates at quite the odd gig as well.

[RedAndWhite91]

Corrr wish I lived back in the good old days.

[TijuanaTim]

Last time I saw Dougall and Malc was about 1980 when I used to DJ at the old Saints Supporters Club at The Dell. Still see Bootsie (Ron) in Shirley from time to time.

 

 

Always thought Bootsie used to hang out more with Callaway *****il his encarceration), Charlie Boyd as well.

 

Supporting Saints in those days was great, especially on the road. Despite being one of the older ones these days ('no %#it Sherlock' huh) I was the little nipper back then. Remember two great away wins at WHL 1-3 and 0-1, they just could not handle the Big Ron - Channon combo, it was where they were at their best.

 

I think Dougal etc would get to the games quite often by road. I would always try and get a BR ticket or just sneak onto a train. Jewitt, Philly Joyce, Princey, Mickey and Nobby Stiles used to take me under their wings - they were a 'good' influence I'm sure.

 

Away days were fantastic, Saints would often win when least expected and we frequently would meet the players on the train as well.

[lil 1]

Corrr wish I lived back in the good old days.

 

you will one day whippersnapper!

[TijuanaTim]

I certainly remember Dougal. Couldn't say whether he was killed by rival fans or not. I'd think it was unlikely but I did hear that he supposedly threw the Spud's leader, Sammy, off a train bridge in London.

 

 

Lots of 'legend' about Dougal and Dougal and Sammy. Could be wrong, but I think the 'incident' that actually happened was after a 2-2 draw up the Dell. Right about the time Big Chiv went to Spurs and Greavesie went to the Hammers. It was one those 'down the station' things. Dougal and Sammy (a massive Spurs geezer, for those that don't know from Afro-Caribean heritage) went toe-to-toe in front of quite a few, cannot seem to recall anyone getting thrown of anything, but Sammy was definitely 'worse for wear', if you get my drift.

 

Apparently (maybe myth also), Big Sammy's demise was met after being done in the Smoke by a rival mob and then losing an argument with a London Transport bus...Legend has it that the Park Lane lot (prior to the later 'Shelf', 'Paxton' or 'Yid Army') was then lead by some relative of Sammy, also called Sammy, ironically enough.

[TijuanaTim]

Corrr wish I lived back in the good old days.

 

That was a funny quip tbf. Every year things get better than they were before, so I'm not sure there was ever the good 'old days' my friend.

 

To be honest, you had to keep your wits about you and be aware of your surroundings, sometimes exciting but all too often mayhem.

 

Saints the same bottom end one year - Europe next. Total class like Davies, Paine and Channon - total @ss like Byrne, McCarthy and McClaren...go figure?

[Toomer]

Always thought Bootsie used to hang out more with Callaway *****il his encarceration), Charlie Boyd as well.

 

Supporting Saints in those days was great, especially on the road. Despite being one of the older ones these days ('no %#it Sherlock' huh) I was the little nipper back then. Remember two great away wins at WHL 1-3 and 0-1, they just could not handle the Big Ron - Channon combo, it was where they were at their best.

 

I think Dougal etc would get to the games quite often by road. I would always try and get a BR ticket or just sneak onto a train. Jewitt, Philly Joyce, Princey, Mickey and Nobby Stiles used to take me under their wings - they were a 'good' influence I'm sure.

 

Away days were fantastic, Saints would often win when least expected and we frequently would meet the players on the train as well.

 

Ronnie did knock around with Killer & Charlie Tim, I used to drink with Charlie in the Maybush. Ronnie used to get in the Shield & Dagger in the mid 70s, used to have some great nights in there.

[Dog]

Just a question I would like to ask. Around the early 80's there used to be 2 skinheads, one real tall lad and his cloned mate who was shorter. They both had blade 1 haircuts with the harrington, braces, 18 hole DM's and spent the whole game sitting or hanging on top of the fences staring at the home & away fans. It was always just these two lads who were fence monkeys and stood out as the skinhead era was gone.

[TijuanaTim]

Ronnie did knock around with Killer & Charlie Tim, I used to drink with Charlie in the Maybush. Ronnie used to get in the Shield & Dagger in the mid 70s, used to have some great nights in there.

 

Up the Shield, we use to use that place on the odd Sat-dee night after home games, that was always Angus and Tony Steele's local. Paul Callaway used it too.

[RedAndWhite91]

That was a funny quip tbf. Every year things get better than they were before, so I'm not sure there was ever the good 'old days' my friend.

 

To be honest, you had to keep your wits about you and be aware of your surroundings, sometimes exciting but all too often mayhem.

 

Saints the same bottom end one year - Europe next. Total class like Davies, Paine and Channon - total @ss like Byrne, McCarthy and McClaren...go figure?

 

Ahhh but everyone goes on about the good old days and it just sounds better! Take the Southampton Nostalgia thread for example; brilliant reading. I guess in 25 years or whatever there will be people my age wanting to have lived in the Noughties etc, so it works all the same.

 

I have to keep my wits about me, been started on a few times this season, but that is more to do with morons, and less to do with excitement and mayhem.

 

I guess I'll look back on these times as the golden days when I'm older

Edited 28 February, 2010 by RedAndWhite91

[Wiltshire Saint]

Lots of 'legend' about Dougal and Dougal and Sammy. Could be wrong, but I think the 'incident' that actually happened was after a 2-2 draw up the Dell.

 

Yes, I remember that. We conceded two late goals (79, 86). I was so furious I went and done Dougal. Never forgave any of the players or coaches involved for that.

[TijuanaTim]

Yes, I remember that. We conceded two late goals (79, 86). I was so furious I went and done Dougal. Never forgave any of the players or coaches involved for that.

 

 

Good job, you've just proved your obsession. This thread has the square of nothing to do with you, you have no comprehension of it and yet you just couldn't contain y'self, could you. A mate on here told me who you are...couldn't see it myself, but he's right, now I know who you are. You've made my day nipper.

 

I would ask you if you're going to Wembley, however that's a futile question as you are just a forum type only and one that is even too tight to join. Long time seen you've seen Southampton - if ever, maybe only then if you were comp'd a ticket and y'mom gave you a ride to the big city FAF

 

FAO Admin; yes I realize this was not about Saints or even Saints fans, however, as some of you have previously confirmed this dude's only motivation is to stir and have Saints fan's threads closed...so you can allow genuine members and Saints fans enjoy Saints and Saints fan's related threads or you can continue to appease these sorts, thanks as always and also thanks for the heads-up.

[Breeny]

Like 70's Mike, I was there for most games and for me the real buzz of going to games was the aggro. It all seems so stupid and pathetic now but at the time it was the norm.

 

Sheffield Utd was a real cracker. I remember we were all at the back of their end and when the stand was nearly full we all charged forward and their fans scattered everywhere. However, once they'd regrouped we were forced to one side of the end nearest the cricket pitch. The real fun started in the big underground roundabout in the centre of town. Their fans were coming from different directions into the main circle and each time we fought them off. It was like the Alamo!

 

Anyone remember the Swindon away game? We took their end but there was some bloke who resembled Giant Haystacks who just wouldn't budge.

 

Also Chelsea. About fifty of us went into the Shed. A massive brawl broke out, I was nicked so don't know what the outcome was.

 

Happy Days!

 

I was at all of those games as well ! Yes the Swindon guy was amazing. As for the Shed I ended up under the old North Stand where it was just as dangerous as being in the shed !

 

Also went to the same school as Karen Bailey and dated Pat Lovelock who kicked me in the crown jewels when I finished with her ! ( Both mentioned in another thread )

[TijuanaTim]

Also went to the same school as Karen Bailey and dated Pat Lovelock who kicked me in the crown jewels when I finished with her ! ( Both mentioned in another thread )

 

Ouch, hey Breeny was Karen dating Terry Beale from Thornhill way when you were with Pat? Those two were together for ages. Bob, Terry's brother is still a good mate of mine.

 

Terry was good mates with other Saints regulars Steve Taylor, Gary Clements, Kev Cousins and Al Pont. Kevin Cousins excelled himself at pompee away for Milkens testimonial when we stuffed them 0-7...another mental Saints night in '72!!

[unionhotel]

Tim, that's really bizarre cos she kicked me in the nuts as well. I didn't go out with her - too wild for my tastes (remember the cut-throats she and Gaye Cooper used to carry in their handbags?) - but I went out with a mate of hers who dumped me. I didn't want it to finish, Pat persuaded me otherwise! I can still hear her maniacal laugh as they ran off towards the Lord Louis. Ouch!

[Fuengirola Saint]

Good job, you've just proved your obsession. This thread has the square of nothing to do with you, you have no comprehension of it and yet you just couldn't contain y'self, could you. A mate on here told me who you are...couldn't see it myself, but he's right, now I know who you are. You've made my day nipper.

 

I would ask you if you're going to Wembley, however that's a futile question as you are just a forum type only and one that is even too tight to join. Long time seen you've seen Southampton - if ever, maybe only then if you were comp'd a ticket and y'mom gave you a ride to the big city FAF

 

FAO Admin; yes I realize this was not about Saints or even Saints fans, however, as some of you have previously confirmed this dude's only motivation is to stir and have Saints fan's threads closed...so you can allow genuine members and Saints fans enjoy Saints and Saints fan's related threads or you can continue to appease these sorts, thanks as always and also thanks for the heads-up.

 

I know what you mean mush, there is always some little **** ready to ruin a good and interesting thread. I´ve said it before but it pains me that Saints have got so many numptys ( or numpties, not sure) as supporters.

I didn´t start going until 78 and the season after they put the fences up in the Archers, i always remember QPR always trying it on in the Archers, usually coming unstuck though.

Edited 1 March, 2010 by Fuengirola Saint

[Toomer]

Up the Shield, we use to use that place on the odd Sat-dee night after home games, that was always Angus and Tony Steele's local. Paul Callaway used it too.

 

Was game for a laugh when all four of the Steele's were in Ian and Pat there was a sister as well can't remember her name.

[TijuanaTim]

Was game for a laugh when all four of the Steele's were in Ian and Pat there was a sister as well can't remember her name.

 

Hey Tooms, after games did you ever used to use either the boozers by the H&D station, the Lord Louis or the Windsor. There'd be the game, then all the drama, then wait for the 'Pink' and hit one of those two bars for a read and to discuss all that had gone on. D&D Tony ("Mi-wall") would frequently be in there. Who was that (kinda creepy) older type that'd always hang round there also...Dave Beer was it?

[RonManager]

Hey Tooms, after games did you ever used to use either the boozers by the H&D station, the Lord Louis or the Windsor. There'd be the game, then all the drama, then wait for the 'Pink' and hit one of those two bars for a read and to discuss all that had gone on. D&D Tony ("Mi-wall") would frequently be in there. Who was that (kinda creepy) older type that'd always hang round there also...Dave Beer was it?

 

Remember that - walking by to catch the 47 or 48 back to Winch - too young to go drinking in the city centre then!

[Deppo]

Good job, you've just proved your obsession. This thread has the square of nothing to do with you, you have no comprehension of it and yet you just couldn't contain y'self, could you. A mate on here told me who you are...couldn't see it myself, but he's right, now I know who you are. You've made my day nipper.

 

I would ask you if you're going to Wembley, however that's a futile question as you are just a forum type only and one that is even too tight to join. Long time seen you've seen Southampton - if ever, maybe only then if you were comp'd a ticket and y'mom gave you a ride to the big city FAF

 

FAO Admin; yes I realize this was not about Saints or even Saints fans, however, as some of you have previously confirmed this dude's only motivation is to stir and have Saints fan's threads closed...so you can allow genuine members and Saints fans enjoy Saints and Saints fan's related threads or you can continue to appease these sorts, thanks as always and also thanks for the heads-up.

You have no idea who the Wiltshire Saint is, you fairweather fan, and it's a disgrace that you're crawling to the admins. Sneak!

[TijuanaTim]

You have no idea who the Wiltshire Saint is, you fairweather fan, and it's a disgrace that you're crawling to the admins. Sneak!

 

Hello Deppo, how you doing mate? I suggest you speak for y'self mush...as you frequently do. Now you have a nice day and (if you want) leave this thread to those that enjoy it and there are several of them to say the least.

[TijuanaTim]

Remember that - walking by to catch the 47 or 48 back to Winch - too young to go drinking in the city centre then!

 

...but you'd relive the game in the Pink on the way home, hey mate? Before Graham Hiley who was the match reporter(s)?

[Deppo]

I'm doing ok, mate. How are you? I will now leave this thread to those that enjoy it.

[Ponty]

A guy I work with just said,

 

"I hate these threads. I hate the hankering after the good ol' days of football violence. They weren't good old days, they were sh** times when you could hardly go to a match without running into trouble that you weren't looking for... unless you were looking for it, of course, which makes you a c***. Football shouldn't be about "Taking ends", and kicking someone's head in, and anyone who thinks of those days with nostalgia and a tear in their eye probably took one punch too many or is a c***. Probably both. Mostly the latter though."

 

Far be it for me to agree, or disagree, with his opinion. Just thought I'd put it out there.

[OldNick]

A guy I work with just said,

 

"I hate these threads. I hate the hankering after the good ol' days of football violence. They weren't good old days, they were sh** times when you could hardly go to a match without running into trouble that you weren't looking for... unless you were looking for it, of course, which makes you a c***. Football shouldn't be about "Taking ends", and kicking someone's head in, and anyone who thinks of those days with nostalgia and a tear in their eye probably took one punch too many or is a c***. Probably both. Mostly the latter though."

 

Far be it for me to agree, or disagree, with his opinion. Just thought I'd put it out there.

It isn't about the violence but the fun and adrenyline those days brought about. I would not condone football violence, but there was great fun to be had without the aggro. It was different to the more sanitised stuff from now

[RonManager]

...but you'd relive the game in the Pink on the way home, hey mate? Before Graham Hiley who was the match reporter(s)?

 

Remember we'd have to run like mad to make the bus so we'd normally get a Pink from the newsagent on City Road in Winch (if they'd got there by then - remember being angry if they hadn't turned up cos it meant you weren't getting one that week), and then either go home or try and get a few bottles of cider from someone going into the Eagle, then celebrate in North Walls Park, playing football in the dark!

 

Blimey I'd forgotten half this stuff but it's all stacked away in the old long-term memory archive in my brain, it just needs the right trigger to bring it back!

[TijuanaTim]

A guy I work with just said,

 

"I hate these threads. I hate the hankering after the good ol' days of football violence. They weren't good old days, they were sh** times when you could hardly go to a match without running into trouble that you weren't looking for... unless you were looking for it, of course, which makes you a c***. Football shouldn't be about "Taking ends", and kicking someone's head in, and anyone who thinks of those days with nostalgia and a tear in their eye probably took one punch too many or is a c***. Probably both. Mostly the latter though."

 

Far be it for me to agree, or disagree, with his opinion. Just thought I'd put it out there.

 

 

Mate - he has an extremely valid point, I totally empathize. He is so right in the majority (if not all) cases, so fair play to him.

 

Don't feel in any way that I'm glorifying trouble, aggro or bovver, that's not the intent. However it happened, we were immersed in it, it surrounded us. That is why I always relate the game, how we played etc...all intrinsically linked for so many Saints fans. Coupling one with the other helps us reflect those days, maybe it intensifies the power of recollection??

 

We, as Saints Forum users, have so many commonalities...sometimes it makes us feel good to get them out in the open so that we can relate more positively (in most cases) to our fellow subscribers...or maybe I'm being naive??

[dubai_phil]

A guy I work with just said,

 

"I hate these threads. I hate the hankering after the good ol' days of football violence. They weren't good old days, they were sh** times when you could hardly go to a match without running into trouble that you weren't looking for... unless you were looking for it, of course, which makes you a c***. Football shouldn't be about "Taking ends", and kicking someone's head in, and anyone who thinks of those days with nostalgia and a tear in their eye probably took one punch too many or is a c***. Probably both. Mostly the latter though."

 

Far be it for me to agree, or disagree, with his opinion. Just thought I'd put it out there.

 

You cannot argue with his point.

 

Personally through all the times when there was "trouble" at matches I got caught out once when ambushed leaving Highbury. I had no time for the "culture" I wasn't a part of it, but at the time if you wanted to watch football you had to understand it existed and you had to understand you either took care or took part.

We grew up with football, unlike the Yoof and teenagers of today growing up with Ipods or Asbos, it affected us and became a part of what we are.

 

If we were to follow your mate's advice then we end up back in Politically Correct La La land having to forget the war and all that nonsense.

 

the fact is that the events are a part of the History of this football club. Thank GOD those events never brought us shame, but to forget them is to deny they happened.

 

Why do we hanker after the Dell? Was it because we liked the entertainment or was it a place of memories. The forum is a place for debate but also a place for history.

 

One of Saints best ever rearguard actions in a game came in Marseilles in the Cup Winners Cup. Violence off the pitch affected the players as much as the MANY innocents in the crowd. 172 fans by air and around 4 coaches, nobody on that trip was looking for anything other than a day out and some Duty Frees, but it happened and it is a vital part of our history.

 

Is it right that we post memories of two grey haired ladies having to stand toe to toe with around 30 other fans fighting off an attack by imbecilic French fans? Do they glorify a culture of violence or were they the inspiration for many others to find a different path in life. Did they have ANY choice at the time OTHER than to fight for their lives?

 

If you don't remember you cannot learn, If you cannot learn then you are Peter Storrie.

 

The culture of those years should be remembered. It should never be glorified.

 

(Although if we ARE going to scrub that era from our minds could we at LEAST start with erasing The Bay City Rollers - Tartan Silk Scarfs at Football WTF)

[carljack]

Mate - he has an extremely valid point, I totally empathize. He is so right in the majority (if not all) cases, so fair play to him.

 

Don't feel in any way that I'm glorifying trouble, aggro or bovver, that's not the intent. However it happened, we were immersed in it, it surrounded us. That is why I always relate the game, how we played etc...all intrinsically linked for so many Saints fans. Coupling one with the other helps us reflect those days, maybe it intensifies the power of recollection??

 

We, as Saints Forum users, have so many commonalities...sometimes it makes us feel good to get them out in the open so that we can relate more positively (in most cases) to our fellow subscribers...or maybe I'm being naive??

 

You had to fight for the right to stand on SOME terraces Home or Away, I loved Saints and still do, me and many others travelled everywhere to see our heroes, as Tim says Waterloo Euston Paddington were occupational hazards , it was a sympton of the times,in those days you got slashed with a blade today they stick it in Six inches, times have changed for the worst! check out knife crime stats if you do not believe me.Basically I think Tim and Myself are not glorifying anything just recalling games and days out from the golden period in our Clubs History(so far).For what its worth I AM glad it is safer to go to St Marys than down Town after dark as I am not as handy as I used to be! lol.

 

SAINT TILL I DIE!

[carljack]

you cannot argue with his point.

 

Personally through all the times when there was "trouble" at matches i got caught out once when ambushed leaving highbury. I had no time for the "culture" i wasn't a part of it, but at the time if you wanted to watch football you had to understand it existed and you had to understand you either took care or took part.

We grew up with football, unlike the yoof and teenagers of today growing up with ipods or asbos, it affected us and became a part of what we are.

 

If we were to follow your mate's advice then we end up back in politically correct la la land having to forget the war and all that nonsense.

 

The fact is that the events are a part of the history of this football club. Thank god those events never brought us shame, but to forget them is to deny they happened.

 

Why do we hanker after the dell? Was it because we liked the entertainment or was it a place of memories. The forum is a place for debate but also a place for history.

 

One of saints best ever rearguard actions in a game came in marseilles in the cup winners cup. Violence off the pitch affected the players as much as the many innocents in the crowd. 172 fans by air and around 4 coaches, nobody on that trip was looking for anything other than a day out and some duty frees, but it happened and it is a vital part of our history.

 

Is it right that we post memories of two grey haired ladies having to stand toe to toe with around 30 other fans fighting off an attack by imbecilic french fans? Do they glorify a culture of violence or were they the inspiration for many others to find a different path in life. Did they have any choice at the time other than to fight for their lives?

 

If you don't remember you cannot learn, if you cannot learn then you are peter storrie.

 

The culture of those years should be remembered. It should never be glorified.

 

(although if we are going to scrub that era from our minds could we at least start with erasing the bay city rollers - tartan silk scarfs at football wtf)

 

spot on phil!

[dubai_phil]

spot on phil!

 

Thank God someone agrees with me about The Bay City Rollers

[unionhotel]

Was game for a laugh when all four of the Steele's were in Ian and Pat there was a sister as well can't remember her name.

Her name was Jane. She married a mush from Weston and lived above me in Rotterdam Towers.

Hey Tooms, after games did you ever used to use either the boozers by the H&D station, the Lord Louis or the Windsor. There'd be the game, then all the drama, then wait for the 'Pink' and hit one of those two bars for a read and to discuss all that had gone on. D&D Tony ("Mi-wall") would frequently be in there. Who was that (kinda creepy) older type that'd always hang round there also...Dave Beer was it?

 

That Dave Beer bloke was reputedly a copper's nark. As you say, Creepy. Always remember "Mi-wall". I know he was deaf but surely he could have washed his skanky, greasy hair.:smt036

[Toomer]

Also went to the same school as Karen Bailey and dated Pat Lovelock who kicked me in the crown jewels when I finished with her ! ( Both mentioned in another thread )

 

Ouch, hey Breeny was Karen dating Terry Beale from Thornhill way when you were with Pat? Those two were together for ages. Bob, Terry's brother is still a good mate of mine.

 

Terry was good mates with other Saints regulars Steve Taylor, Gary Clements, Kev Cousins and Al Pont. Kevin Cousins excelled himself at pompee away for Milkens testimonial when we stuffed them 0-7...another mental Saints night in '72!!

 

1972 a Friday night if the old memory is correct, Oh to be 18 again. I went to school with Pat, Millbrook, as they say you can take the boy out of Millbrook but you can't take Millbrook out of the boy.:)

[unionhotel]

Phil, you're so right about it being part of the history of our club and city. Most estates and areas in the city had their gangs, Wimpson, Market Diner, Weston Boot Boys, Harefield etc. etc. (too many to name) but they all supported one team. Every gang used to adopt a neutrality (for the most part) when they went into town for a match day. I personally used to drink primarily in the Haymarket and Warrens and got to know quite a few other people from different areas. When you went away we were all Saints and it was a tribal mentality. We were protecting our team's/city's reputation and as simplistic as that sounds now, we all felt it was the right thing to do. As you say, you can't airbrush history and deny that it never happened because it did.

 

My memories from those times are mainly distant now but threads like these bring to life some of those oh so familiar faces. I'd imagine that I would know countless individuals on this site and vice versa.

 

Perhaps I'll see some of you at Tranmere, one of my "local" games.

 

Regards, Pete Taylor (Weston)

[TijuanaTim]

Her name was Jane. She married a mush from Weston and lived above me in Rotterdam Towers.

 

 

That Dave Beer bloke was reputedly a copper's nark. As you say, Creepy. Always remember "Mi-wall". I know he was deaf but surely he could have washed his skanky, greasy hair.:smt036

 

 

LMAO, there was that other D&D lad, better looking and really well turned out as well. The girlies down the Pier or in the Bird's Nest used to love him, he was a good 'un. Dave was his name I think, he would go sometimes, stand right at the back of the Milton, so that he could 'see' everything if front of him because of his hearing. Never saw him after we were relegated.

 

Another person I saw this year, like a blast from the past, on one of my trips home to se Saints on the road was Kim (aka Kimmy) Rose. Saw him at Southend away, he was dressed in a suit and I think with a son or a younger fan. Anyone remember Kim?

[Toomer]

Hey Tooms, after games did you ever used to use either the boozers by the H&D station, the Lord Louis or the Windsor. There'd be the game, then all the drama, then wait for the 'Pink' and hit one of those two bars for a read and to discuss all that had gone on. D&D Tony ("Mi-wall") would frequently be in there. Who was that (kinda creepy) older type that'd always hang round there also...Dave Beer was it?

 

I used to use the Louis before the games Tim, was either a wander up Hill Lane via the station or up passed the Polygon. Talking of D.D Tony can still see him in my minds eye with his pork pie hat and butchers coat on.

Edited 1 March, 2010 by Toomer

[TijuanaTim]

I used to use the Louis before the games Tim, was either a wander up Hill Lane via the station or up passed the Polygon.

 

Danny and Sonny's younger brother Franny McCormick always was in there for games...they'd always have those Isley Bros songs playing 'That Lady' and 'Summer Breeze'.

 

Went there prior to the lose-lose United game just before we were both relegated. They closed the place early, when we got to the ground the only place we could get in was under the West stand..let me tell you, you didn't want to be there. If it was not for Dean Prince, Jewitt and a couple of others I don't know what would have happened to me.

 

I got bottled and bleeding head and all, there was so many injuries etc they just propped me against the wall right by Big Lawrie in the dug-out. Best view in the house, trouble is do not remember much of it besides how big and useless Jim Holton was and that massive off on the field right in front of the player's entrance...We needed two points that day, oh well!

[Toomer]

Danny and Sonny's younger brother Franny McCormick always was in there for games...they'd always have those Isley Bros songs playing 'That Lady' and 'Summer Breeze'.

 

Went there prior to the lose-lose United game just before we were both relegated. They closed the place early, when we got to the ground the only place we could get in was under the West stand..let me tell you, you didn't want to be there. If it was not for Dean Prince, Jewitt and a couple of others I don't know what would have happened to me.

 

I got bottled and bleeding head and all, there was so many injuries etc they just propped me against the wall right by Big Lawrie in the dug-out. Best view in the house, trouble is do not remember much of it besides how big and useless Jim Holton was and that massive off on the field right in front of the player's entrance...We needed two points that day, oh well!

 

Not seen Dean for years but Stevie sits a few rows in front of me with Pete Wilson as 70s Mike says there are a few of us 50 something year old boys still going.

[docker-p]

Who was the huge bloke who stood on the archers road circa 79-84 who had long hair, and a sort of birthmark/ scar/ burn down one side of his face and seemed happy and capable of taking on any number of visitors single handed and come out on top? Think he was from New Milton?

[TijuanaTim]

Who was the huge bloke who stood on the archers road circa 79-84 who had long hair, and a sort of birthmark/ scar/ burn down one side of his face and seemed happy and capable of taking on any number of visitors single handed and come out on top? Think he was from New Milton?

 

 

Jeez, now you got the grey matter going...I can see his face!!

[Dog]

Who was the huge bloke who stood on the archers road circa 79-84 who had long hair, and a sort of birthmark/ scar/ burn down one side of his face and seemed happy and capable of taking on any number of visitors single handed and come out on top? Think he was from New Milton?

 

Raging Bull?

 

Good man, still is.

[Breeny]

Also went to the same school as Karen Bailey and dated Pat Lovelock who kicked me in the crown jewels when I finished with her ! ( Both mentioned in another thread )

 

Ouch, hey Breeny was Karen dating Terry Beale from Thornhill way when you were with Pat? Those two were together for ages. Bob, Terry's brother is still a good mate of mine.

 

Terry was good mates with other Saints regulars Steve Taylor, Gary Clements, Kev Cousins and Al Pont. Kevin Cousins excelled himself at pompee away for Milkens testimonial when we stuffed them 0-7...another mental Saints night in '72!!

 

Great thread for us 'oldies' to reminisce ! I cant recall who Karen was dating a the time, I am sure she was Leeds fan though ?

Sounds as if Pat L. got at least three of us in the nuts !

Remember John Milkins 7 - 0 testimonial as well, that was a big day out.

Loads of memories of deaf and dumb Dave and Tony. Like someone said all the girls went after Dave.

Also not football related but recall 'Jesus' of The End fame coming into the Warrens before a game. His bike had been set alight at the common fair and he was not happy !

I know who did it because I was with him !

[ericofarabia]

Who was the huge bloke who stood on the archers road circa 79-84 who had long hair, and a sort of birthmark/ scar/ burn down one side of his face and seemed happy and capable of taking on any number of visitors single handed and come out on top? Think he was from New Milton?

 

Don't know him personally, but still see him at most of the away games I get to see.

 

As to the original post about 50 odd lads in the Sheff Utd End .... how about the 2 lads who scaled the fence at Brighton late 70's and had the whole end on their toes ..... funniest part of it was the OB frog marching them back into the Saints section to a heroes welcome, instead of nicking them ....

[BarnetSaint]

Who was the huge bloke who stood on the archers road circa 79-84 who had long hair, and a sort of birthmark/ scar/ burn down one side of his face and seemed happy and capable of taking on any number of visitors single handed and come out on top? Think he was from New Milton?

 

Colin Tomkins-from New Milton-not seen him recently but up until the early part of this season still went home and away.