Andy_Porter Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 "Statistics"? Why the quotes? They are statistics. And with regards to him fading away...i respectfully disagree. He's not consistent but then he's also only 21. Also quite plainly one of our best players. How you can't see that is beyond me. It's ridiculous, it's obvious to me he's one of our best players and one of the best in the league. Whenever I speak to any neutral who watches one of our games they usually single out Lallana. I think some people have a problem with him because he was around last season and was one of Lowe's boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 In central midfield certainly because they have the aptitude required for that role and Lallana doesn't. A CM is basically a ball recovery merchant and I can't see him doing that. As I said yesterday AP is a nowhere man just now, he had a good spell and now just drifts in and out of games. I think a side without him might just surprise us all greatly.It would give the strikers more space and the missed chances might not go begging so often. If there's a choice between Wotton,Gillett and Lallana in CM I know who I wouldn't trust in the role. Lallana needs to move up to a side with better coaches and more cohesion, he's either wasting his time with Saints or he really isn't all that good. I hope for him it's the former.Have you noticed how few players really make the step up from League 1 football to the higher echelons?, I know Eric Mombaerts thinks it's just a no-mans land for anyone who has any sort of ability. The instant you do something useful at the very next opportunity some hod-carrier (thanks Alps) will give you a good going over and make you think twice about doing it again. Fair enough. Footballs about opinions and your rating/opinion of Lallana is a million miles away from mine if you would prefer Wotton and Gillett to him in any position in the team. Did you watch him play against Norwich and Pompey recently btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 Davis Ostemebor - Jaidi - Fonte - Harding Lallana - Morgan - Hammond - Puncheon Waigo - Lambert If Schneiderlin isn't fit I'd replace him with Wotton and go 4-5-1 with Puncheon through the middle and Lallana / Waigo outwide. If James is fit i'd stick him right back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 It's ridiculous, it's obvious to me he's one of our best players and one of the best in the league. Whenever I speak to any neutral who watches one of our games they usually single out Lallana. I think some people have a problem with him because he was around last season and was one of Lowe's boys. It's sad that Lallana and Morgan two of our best young skillful players are slagged off on here on a reglar basis by some people. Young players have dips in form and injuries all the time. Good job this forum was not around when a young Le Tiss was breaking into the Saints first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 Davis Ostemebor - Jaidi - Fonte - Harding Lallana - Morgan - Hammond - Puncheon Waigo - Lambert If Schneiderlin isn't fit I'd replace him with Wotton and go 4-5-1 with Puncheon through the middle and Lallana / Waigo outwide. If James is fit i'd stick him right back. Ahead of Semi and Thomas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 (edited) Fair enough. Footballs about opinions and your rating/opinion of Lallana is a million miles away from mine if you would prefer Wotton and Gillett to him in any position in the team. Did you watch him play against Norwich and Pompey recently btw? Norwich no, Pompey yes but I didn't see anything particularly special, he flatters to deceive, good skill,very little end product and he cost us the game (along with Waigo).It's not really surprising though, I see football differently to most of you because I see a different kind of football most of the time.It happens with many of us overseas residents, thing that you local people find attractive we find ordinary, you would probably find our football slow and airy fairy, but at the end of the day it's that kind of game that gets the real results, which is why the Premier League is stuffed full with overseas players,coaches and managers. It's a kind of less energy more end product situation. NB to me Schneiderlin and Fonté are by far the best players on our books, although some wouldn't agree, because they see the game differently.. Edited 25 February, 2010 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 Why we all feel the need to come up with all these half baked idea i have no idea. I'll take the same team as played at Norwich if Morgan is available please. Crying out for a consistent team and picking the best eleven then insisting on change the second we have our first setback is a little silly if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 Ahead of Semi and Thomas? Semi is our right back,don't see the problem there, gets forward ,has pace and a good quick brain, more than you could say about either James or Thomas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 Norwich no, Pompey yes but I didn't see anything particularly special, he flatters to deceive, good skill,very little end product and he cost us the game (along with Waigo).It's not really surprising though, I see football differently to most of you because I see a different kind of football most of the time.It happens with many of us overseas residents, thing that you local people find attractive we find ordinary, you would probably find our football slow and airy fairy, but at the end of the day it's that kind of game that gets the real results, which is why the Premier League is stuffed full with overseas players,coaches and managers. It's a kind of less energy more end product situation. NB to me Schneiderlin and Fonté are by far the best players on our books, although some wouldn't agree, because they see the game differently.. Don't know what country you mean but i am a fan of Spannish and Italian(Sampdoria) football. Don't think those leagues would suit Wotton's cultured passing game though :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 Semi is our right back,don't see the problem there, gets forward ,has pace and a good quick brain, more than you could say about either James or Thomas. Yup, I would perhaps have a fit Murty ahead of him, then Thomas would be my next choice with James as my emergency last choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 Don't know what country you mean but i am a fan of Spannish and Italian(Sampdoria) football. Don't think those leagues would suit Wotton's cultured passing game though :-) I live in France, thought everyone knew that, not that our football is anything special mind you but Bordeaux and Lyon are doing pretty well in the CL with very reasonably priced sides,Lille are getting on OK in the Europa League with a side that cost very little (Morgan's next destination if you believe what some say) don't start me on PSG, overpaid bunch of tossers, to think that I pay good money to watch that crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 Yup, I would perhaps have a fit Murty ahead of him, then Thomas would be my next choice with James as my emergency last choice. But a fit Murty just isn't going to happen..unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 Might i suggest yo go and watch Red Star or Aubervilliers mon vieux.... I live in France, thought everyone knew that, not that our football is anything special mind you but Bordeaux and Lyon are doing pretty well in the CL with very reasonably priced sides,Lille are getting on OK in the Europa League with a side that cost very little (Morgan's next destination if you believe what some say) don't start me on PSG, overpaid bunch of tossers, to think that I pay good money to watch that crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 Ahead of Semi and Thomas? Yes ahead of those two. Ostemebor is just a bit meh, doesn't ever use his pace and doesn't really get stuck in. Thomas is a bit of a legend but far too limited to play right back. James isn't ideal but I think he's our best right back, I know people dislike him and i'm in a minority thinking he's our best right back. All he really lacks is pace and his heading isn't great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 All being well i'll be going to my first home match this year on Sat .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 There is a lot of difference between a collection of good players which often provides a hit and miss team, and a balanced team that collectively performs better than the ability of the individual players. Sometimes to obtain the ideal team and match the players, talented players who don't blend have to be replaced with ones who do. Compromise in selection and pragmatism in style is holding up this process. In my opinion that is where we are at the moment, yet to discard the sacred cows and have a balanced team. If Pardew doesn't hurry up and sort it out because of the inbuilt inconsistency he won't be around long enough to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 He's scored against Exeter and against MK Dons, I don't know why you feel the need to slate Lallana at every turn especially to the point that you're making things up. He's score 14 goals from midfield already this season all from open play, that's better than most strikers in this league. We only done the 4-5-1 to 4-4-2 with Connolly coming on for three games Oldham, MK and Leyton Orient, I wouldn't really say Lallana was any better in those three games. Strange that you mentioned it, his best run of form was after that when we switched to 4-4-2 and Lallana was playing very wide as opposed to the more narrow role he's played over recent weeks. He has not scored much recently in the League is that not a discussion point A couple of goals may have made a contribution to our points total However I now expect him to score a couple on Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 Might i suggest yo go and watch Red Star or Aubervilliers mon vieux.... Played against both of them when I was at St Maur (now called Lusitanos or something like that) Parisian leagues,CFA and then National (mind you I didn't get too many game in the National because I was a real amateur..in many ways).Then I got "muted" away and got too old anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 Yes ahead of those two. Ostemebor is just a bit meh, doesn't ever use his pace and doesn't really get stuck in. Thomas is a bit of a legend but far too limited to play right back. James isn't ideal but I think he's our best right back, I know people dislike him and i'm in a minority thinking he's our best right back. All he really lacks is pace and his heading isn't great. Tbh I've never seen James get stuck in. Even if Semi hasn't used all his pace I would still say that he is far more pacey than James. Ever since Thomas' two matches against MK Dons, I would also say that he is firmly ahead of James in the pecking order IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 NB to me Schneiderlin and Fonté are by far the best players on our books, although some wouldn't agree, because they see the game differently.. But how can you slate Lallana for having no end product then big up Schneiderlin a man who has three assists to his name and no goals. Now i'm not slating Schneiderlin and i see the importance of him in the team. But you must see where i'm coming from here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 (edited) But how can you slate Lallana for having no end product then big up Schneiderlin a man who has three assists to his name and no goals. Now i'm not slating Schneiderlin and i see the importance of him in the team. But you must see where i'm coming from here? Because Schneiderlin is a "milieu recuperateur" it's what he does, Deschamps didn't score many goals either nor get tons of assists, still one of the greatest players of his generation. If you're expecting a lot of assists and rockets into the top corner from Morgan you've been led up the garden path.He is there to win the ball and distribute it, getting forward if he can ;he is not an attacking player, although he did pretty well down the right against Norwich. In brief Morgan is our Deschamps and Lallana is supposed to be our Zidane except that he's not quick of thought and can't shoot. Edited 25 February, 2010 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 Semi over James. Has the pace to track back and close down which James doesn't. No surprise that most of Norwich and Wycombes threat was on Harding's side. Neither he nor James are the most positionally aware or aggressive, so a deadtie in that department. Think Semi has greater potential to get down the line than James, though he needs to exploit this more. Semi is comfortable on the ball though James hits a good first time ball. A points decision to Semi in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 Because Schneiderlin is a "milieu recuperateur" it's what he does, Deschamps didn't score many goals either nor get tons of assists, still one of the greatest players of his generation. If you're expecting a lot of assists and rockets into the top corner from Morgan you've been led up the garden path.He is there to win the ball and distribute it, getting forward if he can ;he is not an attacking player, although he did pretty well down the right against Norwich. While he and hammond are the best we have in midfield (and we've missed them in the last couple of months), they're too similar. The danger is that they just become pass the buck players - even worse than the proverbial water carrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 It's sad that Lallana and Morgan two of our best young skillful players are slagged off on here on a reglar basis by some people. Young players have dips in form and injuries all the time. Good job this forum was not around when a young Le Tiss was breaking into the Saints first team. Well said. Two very good players at this level. How anyone can slag off Lallana I don't know, the lad is class, 14 goals from midfield, he's only 21 I think, what would be classed as "good enough"!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 While he and hammond are the best we have in midfield (and we've missed them in the last couple of months), they're too similar. The danger is that they just become pass the buck players - even worse than the proverbial water carrier. One must be the milieu relayeur and one the recuperateur, they play however AP tells them, probably not as they want. See him about the style of play. Tactical schemas are fairly fixed and it's the coach (or manager) who fixes them. As I see it Hammond is supposed to be our relayer because he's usually the farthest forward. However I did see a change against Norwich where I would have said the roles had been inverted.Perhaps we'll see that again on Saturday if Morgan is fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 Davis, Semi, Fonte, Jaidi, Harding, Antonio, Hammond, Puncheon, Lallana, Barnard, Lambert Subs: Bart, Thomas, Mills, Holmes, Wotton, Gillett, Waigo. Assuming Schneiderlin, Connolly and James all injured still as Pardew said after Tuesday. By the way, with Morgan out for a while, get a loan in as cover. Yoann Folly has just gone out on loan from Plymouth for a month to D&R. Could have done a job for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 (edited) Well said. Two very good players at this level. How anyone can slag off Lallana I don't know, the lad is class, 14 goals from midfield, he's only 21 I think, what would be classed as "good enough"!! He has not scored many in the League in the last three months which is a bit of a concern and rarely wins games for us Edited 25 February, 2010 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 will be a different atmosphere compared to last home game, still goin down with no money in bank will be true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 Some good news on AP's preview on the OS though, thinks Morgan will be OK for Saturday and that Seabourne's injury isn't very serious, just bruising. James has a bit of bone floating bout in his ankle somewhere and needs a couple of weeks rest to help him get through the rest of the season without an op. Same side as Norwich on Saturday then and again on Tuesday. Same style both times, should be far too good for Walsall and Huddersfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 (edited) Some good news on AP's preview on the OS though, thinks Morgan will be OK for Saturday and that Seabourne's injury isn't very serious, just bruising. James has a bit of bone floating bout in his ankle somewhere and needs a couple of weeks rest to help him get through the rest of the season without an op. Same side as Norwich on Saturday then and again on Tuesday. Same style both times, should be far too good for Walsall and Huddersfield. Great news. ..................................Davis Otsemobor.......Fonte.........Jaidi........Harding Lallana.............Hammond......Morgan............Puncheon ......................Barnard...........Lambert bench of: Bart Perry Thomas Gillett Holmes Antonio Waigo Edited 25 February, 2010 by Avenue Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 Great news. ..................................Davis Otsemobor.......Fonte.........Jaidi........Harding Lallana.............Hammond......Morgan............Puncheon ......................Barnard...........Lambert bench of: Bart Perry Thomas Gillett Holmes Antonio Waigo WOT NO WOTTON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 He has not scored many in the League in the last three months which is a bit of a concern and rarely wins games for us But he scores more than any of our other wingers and also wins more games for us than our other wingers. Only Lambert and Connolly have been more of a match winner than Lallana for us this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 But he scores more than any of our other wingers and also wins more games for us than our other wingers. Only Lambert and Connolly have been more of a match winner than Lallana for us this season. Well if you are happy that Adam is a very good player and is performing well thats OK . But I dont have to agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billyboy Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 Mr Whot-No? That dates you WC !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 Well if you are happy that Adam is a very good player and is performing well thats OK . But I dont have to agree Well of course, I'm not trying to force my opinion on anyone as it is just that an opinion. I just find your opinion strange, he might not have been scoring loads recently but the last 5 games have been some of his best for the club imo and I hope he can continue that form over the next three months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 (edited) Well of course, I'm not trying to force my opinion on anyone as it is just that an opinion. I just find your opinion strange, he might not have been scoring loads recently but the last 5 games have been some of his best for the club imo and I hope he can continue that form over the next three months. I fully expect him to score on Saturday like I have most League match days only to be disappointed like I was with him last season. He does look good but never seems to make the correct decision more often than not But I only watch the Saints once a month these days so I maybe wrong Edited 25 February, 2010 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 Because Schneiderlin is a "milieu recuperateur" it's what he does, Deschamps didn't score many goals either nor get tons of assists, still one of the greatest players of his generation. If you're expecting a lot of assists and rockets into the top corner from Morgan you've been led up the garden path.He is there to win the ball and distribute it, getting forward if he can ;he is not an attacking player, although he did pretty well down the right against Norwich. In brief Morgan is our Deschamps and Lallana is supposed to be our Zidane except that he's not quick of thought and can't shoot. I actually think that Morgan has goals in him, he just hasn't made that breakthrough for us yet. If either of his attempts on the opening day had gone in then I think he and the team would have had a very different season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Steve Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 I hate Soccer AM jokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 25 February, 2010 Share Posted 25 February, 2010 My first game in two years...not seen a Saints goal in my last three visits..omens are good Reckon will be a solid 2-0 win personally. Walsall had a bad result midweek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 26 February, 2010 Share Posted 26 February, 2010 Oh really interesting... i'm always hoping Red Star can become the force that they once were many moons ago now, their ground is not too far from where i live so them and Aubervilliers are my local teams so to speak ... Played against both of them when I was at St Maur (now called Lusitanos or something like that) Parisian leagues,CFA and then National (mind you I didn't get too many game in the National because I was a real amateur..in many ways).Then I got "muted" away and got too old anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 26 February, 2010 Share Posted 26 February, 2010 According to AP Morgan should be in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 26 February, 2010 Share Posted 26 February, 2010 It will be interesting to see our Summer squad changes. The squad is far too big but Morgan's absence has shown how short of quality we are in that all important CM area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 February, 2010 Share Posted 26 February, 2010 Fair enough. Footballs about opinions funny how you forget this most of the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 26 February, 2010 Share Posted 26 February, 2010 (edited) funny how you forget this most of the time Not going to bite today. Sorry to dissapoint. DO NOT deliberately start arguments. This is known as "trolling". It is usually very easy to spot, and offending threads will be locked or deleted. Edited 26 February, 2010 by AndyNorthernSaints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 26 February, 2010 Share Posted 26 February, 2010 Great news. ..................................Davis Otsemobor.......Fonte.........Jaidi........Harding Lallana.............Hammond......Morgan............Puncheon ......................Barnard...........Lambert bench of: Bart Perry Thomas Gillett Holmes Antonio Waigo This. Saints win 3-1. HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 February, 2010 Share Posted 26 February, 2010 Mr Whot-No? That dates you WC !!!!! maybe, but as I said earlier on I know a lot of things. Bloke is called Chad if I remember correctly.My Gran used to draw him quite well and explain that during the war (OK not the Crimean War) he was in the papers every time there was a shortage of turnips or chitlings or whatever.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 February, 2010 Share Posted 26 February, 2010 Oh really interesting... i'm always hoping Red Star can become the force that they once were many moons ago now, their ground is not too far from where i live so them and Aubervilliers are my local teams so to speak ... Red Star is down St Ouen way isn't it? I think I saw them on Yzeure's fixture list the other day when was up in Moulins so they must be in CFA now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 26 February, 2010 Share Posted 26 February, 2010 DO NOT deliberately start arguments. This is known as "trolling". No its not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 26 February, 2010 Share Posted 26 February, 2010 No its not Quoted from the forum rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 26 February, 2010 Share Posted 26 February, 2010 Quoted from the forum rules. No its not ...oh sorry I thought this was the 10 minute argument (showing my age now so its probably a big woosh to most posters) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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