Claridge on Alan P

[Window Cleaner]

It won't be Lamberts choice, it will be the clubs. We have no need to sell anyone and I believe that NC is hard nosed enough not to let anyone leave just because they want to.

 

Ultimately we would want a huge return on Lambert, Fonte etc and I think this will price them out of most clubs sight.

 

It would have been very naive of the players to sign with the view of going up this season and I feel that the true test in keeping this squad together will be if we fail to get promotion next year.

 

In the words of dannysfc, but we will see!

 

 

 

I would say it will all depend on how their respective contracts are set up.

Plenty of players (not necessarily ours) have a buy-out clause which they can activate at a threshold price. Or a "Premier League interest clause" or whatever. If players contracts were so narrow as all that there would be no need for sell on clauses and whatever have you. No-one can say what will be or may be, some players will look to move on if we're still in League 1 ,whether they will do is something else.

[Dig Dig]

of course...there is no such thing as player power is there...

 

:smt103

 

 

Thanks for just quoting one part of my post and using that to ridicule it....

 

Of course there is such a thing of player power, however if a club doesn't match our asking price then there is no deal to be done.

 

I think that Lambert is enjoying himself here and has just got a house locally I believe. Can't see him going anywhere but of course I could be wrong.

[Thedelldays]

Thanks for just quoting one part of my post and using that to ridicule it....

 

Of course there is such a thing of player power, however if a club doesn't match our asking price then there is no deal to be done.

 

I think that Lambert is enjoying himself here and has just got a house locally I believe. Can't see him going anywhere but of course I could be wrong.

 

There was no deal to be done with Sunderland with kenwyn. Look what happened then

[hackedoff]

At the start of the season the target was promotion within two seasons, why has that changed ? With the 10 points and the fact that we had to build a side from scratch, to get promoted in one year was optimistic to say the least. However if we dont achieve it next year something may have to " give".

[sadoldgit]

At the start of the season the target was promotion within two seasons, why has that changed ? With the 10 points and the fact that we had to build a side from scratch, to get promoted in one year was optimistic to say the least. However if we dont achieve it next year something may have to " give".

 

Because some people have no patience and think that you can buy promotion. Pardew should be given the job until the end of next season come what may. We are unbeaten in the league since he brought new players in but I think most rational people can see that were are still one or two players short of stepping up into the Norwich/Leeds area.

 

At some point we are going to have to support a manager and back him longer than a period between transfer windows.

[Dig Dig]

There was no deal to be done with Sunderland with kenwyn. Look what happened then

 

kenwyn took player power to the etreme and refused to play.... can you see lambert or anyone else doing the same? In any case we got 6 million and stern john. This was an excellent deal for us but this club is after success not a quick buck like the old regime was so found of

[austsaint]

ONLY with the Squad we have now

 

But I doubt if we will be able to KEEP the players we now have

 

As I keep saying, I do not think the better players will want another season in Division One:cool:

 

I find this an odd claim. Surely all players who started the season and those who AP has brought in would have been aware of the likelihood of staying in L1 this season. Why join or remain with the team otherwise? Next year was always going to be the more likely promotion push.

 

I think AP has done a good job; my main complaint is that he has underplayed Waigo.

[crouchi]

The team still needs time to grow properly, just because he's spent money to get better players doesn't mean we produce a sustainable challenge. We need to be ready to drive through a whole season with a few minor blips. We aren't there yet, but nor are Leeds who look like they will fail again. It's a tough league. Claridge's comments just hedge his bets (perhaps he should do this more often) - 'AP was successful here and there, but failed other places' - not quite so much insight as he has over players in the lower leagues.

[Viking Saint]

Building a club back up agian takes time....he came in late and had a lot of catching up to do in rebuilding a squad and a club that had nearly imploded....it will take time and a bit of patience....haven't we had enough managers lately?? a bit of stability and common sense is what's called for here, some people have very short memories when you compare where we are now to where we were 12 months ago......

[CanadaSaint]

It wouldn't surprise me if Cortese's first move, if he's not completely happy with AP, is to hire a Director of Football. I think Cortese is aware that he doesn't know enough about football yet, and he doesn't want to risk a fan backlash. I don't think he'll flat out fire AP at the end of the season unless things go poorly from here.

[Legod Third Coming]

It wouldn't surprise me if Cortese's first move, if he's not completely happy with AP, is to hire a Director of Football. I think Cortese is aware that he doesn't know enough about football yet, and he doesn't want to risk a fan backlash. I don't think he'll flat out fire AP at the end of the season unless things go poorly from here.

 

1. There is no fan backlash. As people constantly state, when you go to games and talk to other fans, 90% are happy to have a club and are supportive of the manager and players - whom we can all see are working hard and trying things...

 

2. I hope that Cortese is sensible enough to appreciate that football is not science and that many an empire created in haste crumbles for eternity. If he doesn't know this, perhaps he'd like to cast a glance along the M27...

 

Don't let a few irate internet users lead you to believe the vast majority of supporters (ie those who qualify on the basis of getting of their arses and going occasionnally) don't recognise progress when they see it...

 

 

Of course, if Cortese wants to follow the Rupert Lowe model, it won't be long before he moves from benevolent Chairman to red-faced banker.

 

I'm sure he's more astute than that.

[up and away]

It wouldn't surprise me if Cortese's first move, if he's not completely happy with AP, is to hire a Director of Football. I think Cortese is aware that he doesn't know enough about football yet, and he doesn't want to risk a fan backlash. I don't think he'll flat out fire AP at the end of the season unless things go poorly from here.

 

Cortese does want a DoF, but he has to be the right quality and whilst we are in League 1, that will be difficult. Cortese will view having a DoF in place prior to entering the Premier as an absolute must, so many expensive decisions to be made that help will be vital.

 

Cortese will not shy away from any decision he believes to be correct. So Dof or no DoF, he will make a calculated decision on Pardew and not give it a moments further thought. There is no fans backlash at present nor can I see one in the future should he decide to keep or release Pardew. All we have at present is some frustration with Pardew over the inconsistency of results and whether this inconsistency will carry through to next season. That does not mean that no enjoyment is alongside that small frustration.

 

What ever Cortese does will be for advancing the club through the leagues as quickly as possible, something I have absolutely no problem with. If Cortese makes those hard decisions for the best of the club whilst pumping in so much private finance, only a tosser would compare him to Lowe to argue a point. As far as chairmen go, I would rather favour the likes of Mandaric than Steve Gibson as a fan. When you look at what Mandaric has done over the years in a manner that makes Cortese look like the second Steve Gibson, which would any fan prefer?

[Legod Third Coming]

Cortese does want a DoF, but he has to be the right quality and whilst we are in League 1, that will be difficult. Cortese will view having a DoF in place prior to entering the Premier as an absolute must, so many expensive decisions to be made that help will be vital.

 

Cortese will not shy away from any decision he believes to be correct. So Dof or no DoF, he will make a calculated decision on Pardew and not give it a moments further thought. There is no fans backlash at present nor can I see one in the future should he decide to keep or release Pardew. All we have at present is some frustration with Pardew over the inconsistency of results and whether this inconsistency will carry through to next season. That does not mean that no enjoyment is alongside that small frustration.

 

What ever Cortese does will be for advancing the club through the leagues as quickly as possible, something I have absolutely no problem with. If Cortese makes those hard decisions for the best of the club whilst pumping in so much private finance, only a tosser would compare him to Lowe to argue a point. As far as chairmen go, I would rather favour the likes of Mandaric than Steve Gibson as a fan. When you look at what Mandaric has done over the years in a manner that makes Cortese look like the second Steve Gibson, which would any fan prefer?

 

To be fair, Mandaric is only repairing the damage HE created at Leicester...

 

I agree with you regarding Steve Gibson mind - he simply gave a mate too long in the job.

 

I don't have Cortese pegged for either, thank God! Nor do I begrudge him the freedom to do what he wants with his bosses' money...

 

However, if we win, it'll be the right decision. If we don't, it won't be long before he reaps the sour wind, we all know that!

 

Personally, I trust him to get it right because every decision I've seen so far is one that looks right for footballing reasons - managerial appointment, player purchases, training ground improvements, etc. And I would concur that is a far cry from the man who gave us the best catering in League One!!!!!

[1976_Child]

For ****'s sake. A manager can't just waive a magic wand and get results instantly.

 

The reason Fergie has taken Manure to the very pinnacle of world football is because he has been there for 800 years or so.

 

You want to see real success? get a manager in and keep him in, give him 100% backing and a decent cheque book and then let time take its course.

 

**** sake, to some people football is just like a weekend blow-job. "Instant gratification". How about letting AP do a bit of foreplay first, eh?

[Legod Third Coming]

For ****'s sake. A manager can't just waive a magic wand and get results instantly.

 

The reason Fergie has taken Manure to the very pinnacle of world football is because he has been there for 800 years or so.

 

You want to see real success? get a manager in and keep him in, give him 100% backing and a decent cheque book and then let time take its course.

 

**** sake, to some people football is just like a weekend blow-job. "Instant gratification". How about letting AP do a bit of foreplay first, eh?

 

Crikey, there's some imagery while you're enjoying your soup...

[Glasgow_Saint]

For ****'s sake. A manager can't just waive a magic wand and get results instantly.

 

You're right....................NOT

 

 

 

 

[CanadaSaint]

1. There is no fan backlash. As people constantly state, when you go to games and talk to other fans, 90% are happy to have a club and are supportive of the manager and players - whom we can all see are working hard and trying things...

 

I didn't (or didn't mean to) suggest there is. I was walking about the backlash that could happen if he fired Pardew, given the frustration about the previous merry-go-round.

[Legod Third Coming]

I didn't (or didn't mean to) suggest there is. I was walking about the backlash that could happen if he fired Pardew, given the frustration about the previous merry-go-round.

 

Ah gotcha, apols!

[Saint Fan CaM]

I don't know if there was anybody with football knowledge present when AP was interviewed, and if it wasn't, then maybe the right questions weren't asked, and maybe there wasn't time either. We need to remember the comparative panic at the time to get a manager in and a team out to play the first game. From the poor start we have done very well.

 

But NC seems to be a quick and astute learner, and he is now maybe starting to ask the questions which weren't on his mind before. If the answers aren't palatable then he is not likely to hang on another six months or a year for a very simple reason: If a manager is the wrong choice then another six months or a year is not going to make a difference.

 

I sincerely hope that we are not going to appoint and discard as before, until we have firmly established what we want. If AP is what we want in the long term he is likely to stay, if not, then I hope not too much time is wasted. Time is only a good thing if what you are using it for is the right thing to start with.

 

 

Sounds good. Trouble with your arguement is unless you give a manager time, how will you know? We've LEARNT from Lowe's managerial efforts that sacking before time will achieve nothing unless you've made an obvious howler in your choice in the first place (and I don't think anyone could seriously claim AP is a howler of a choice).

 

NC has to have the courage of his convictions and stick with HIS 5 year plan. Our best players will stick with the club - why? - because they'll be playing on the Worlds biggest stage at the end of March in front of potentially millions (via TV), wearing the Saints colours and they're doing that because they have bought into NC's 5 year plan. Dis-assemble that plan and NC will start to lose his own credibility just as Lowe did. Not only that, but I would lay odds that if AP was sacked at the end of this season (along with his staff), we would not get promotion next season on the back of it.

 

Without a shadow of doubt in my mind, NC has to stick with AP unless we reach a point next season where we cannot get promotion.

[Saint Fan CaM]

For ****'s sake. A manager can't just waive a magic wand and get results instantly.

 

The reason Fergie has taken Manure to the very pinnacle of world football is because he has been there for 800 years or so.

 

You want to see real success? get a manager in and keep him in, give him 100% backing and a decent cheque book and then let time take its course.

 

**** sake, to some people football is just like a weekend blow-job. "Instant gratification". How about letting AP do a bit of foreplay first, eh?

 

 

Now that's what I'm talking about .... BJ's all round. Err, sorry I mean I agree with you...stability...ahem.

[Charlie Wayman]

I am actually quite surprised that he is still here to be honest. Perhaps it isn't so easy after all to find a successor who is good enough, ambitious enough, high-profile enough and still willing to take a chance on his reputation in the Third Division... surely that can be the only reason?

 

Try Curbishley next or maybe Sven?

[St_Tel49]

Question. How many of the current Team will want to have another season in DIVISION ONE .... ie the THIRD level of UK Football ???:cool:

 

Answer - they all knew that when they signed HTH

Edited 26 February, 2010 by St_Tel49

[TijuanaTim]

I know he's a skate but I think he has hit the nail on the head with his summing up of AP at Southampton. In effect could be doing a little better but should get his 18 months. Seems to be what a lot on here including myself have said.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8533781.stm

 

Very lucid analysis.

[Clifford Nelson]

Sounds good. Trouble with your arguement is unless you give a manager time, how will you know? We've LEARNT from Lowe's managerial efforts that sacking before time will achieve nothing unless you've made an obvious howler in your choice in the first place (and I don't think anyone could seriously claim AP is a howler of a choice).

 

NC has to have the courage of his convictions and stick with HIS 5 year plan. Our best players will stick with the club - why? - because they'll be playing on the Worlds biggest stage at the end of March in front of potentially millions (via TV), wearing the Saints colours and they're doing that because they have bought into NC's 5 year plan. Dis-assemble that plan and NC will start to lose his own credibility just as Lowe did. Not only that, but I would lay odds that if AP was sacked at the end of this season (along with his staff), we would not get promotion next season on the back of it.

 

Without a shadow of doubt in my mind, NC has to stick with AP unless we reach a point next season where we cannot get promotion.

 

If after a year of management you can't see in what kind of football is being produced you will be in the same position however long you wait. AP is, judging from his choices up till now, a pragmatist without any strong convictions, which he shares with most english managers. He appears to be quite a good motivator, he is personable, and at the point NC appointed him he could have done an awful lot worse. It has taken us to where we are now, but how far will it take us? If we can't see now what it is he is trying to produce which will give us the edge to advance, how long do we thing NC will wait.

 

I all for giving lots of time to a manager who has got got a strategy. Pragmatists cost an awful lot of money if you have it to speng, but with no guarantee of any success. Inspiration and hard work did it against Norwich, but not Wycombe when we misfired again. Dodgy pitches and all that, but I don't buy it. No manager can guarantee inspiration every time, but with footballing quality we should perform better even on our off days.

[Professor]

Can't see the Play-Offs as the make or break for AP this season. The team have stalled in mid-table and even with a winning run, the play-offs are now too far away to be a relistic prospect any longer. But if we carry on unbeaten, or mostly unbeaten, even with more drawn games, its hardly conceivable that Pardew would be sacked.

 

What may be more likely is that he could be an early casualty next season, short of his 18 months, if we aren't in the top two come October. Pardew's approach to the game tends to be defensive and negative. Even at Wycombe he took off an attacking wide player (Antonio) and replaced him with a defensive midfielder (Wotton) and then removed one of the strikers (Barnard) who had scored two goals on Saturday. This approach is refected in his preference for 4-5-1 and unless he starts being more positive - which may not be in his make-up - he may not get the results to keep his job next season.

[derry]

Can't see the Play-Offs as the make or break for AP this season. The team have stalled in mid-table and even with a winning run, the play-offs are now too far away to be a relistic prospect any longer. But if we carry on unbeaten, or mostly unbeaten, even with more drawn games, its hardly conceivable that Pardew would be sacked.

 

What may be more likely is that he could be an early casualty next season, short of his 18 months, if we aren't in the top two come October. Pardew's approach to the game tends to be defensive and negative. Even at Wycombe he took off an attacking wide player (Antonio) and replaced him with a defensive midfielder (Wotton) and then removed one of the strikers (Barnard) who had scored two goals on Saturday. This approach is refected in his preference for 4-5-1 and unless he starts being more positive - which may not be in his make-up - he may not get the results to keep his job next season.

 

I think the 18 months is a fair ballpark figure to commit to, provided the incumbent is achieving the current targets and more importantly seen as capable of achieving the next targets.

 

If however at the end of the first season there is evidence that this isn't so continuing for the 18 months would not be sensible.

 

If Cortese thinks that Pardew is the man to achieve next years targets then he should continue with him. If he doesn't then he should change at the end of this season. To allow a false start to next season would not be sensible.

 

I believe that Cortese has a lot of money riding on our achieving assigned targets and he won't allow sentiment to get in his way.

[SnailOB]

I think the 18 months is a fair ballpark figure to commit to, provided the incumbent is achieving the current targets and more importantly seen as capable of achieving the next targets.

 

If however at the end of the first season there is evidence that this isn't so continuing for the 18 months would not be sensible.

 

If Cortese thinks that Pardew is the man to achieve next years targets then he should continue with him. If he doesn't then he should change at the end of this season. To allow a false start to next season would not be sensible.

 

I believe that Cortese has a lot of money riding on our achieving assigned targets and he won't allow sentiment to get in his way.

 

I would give AP the 18months to see if he can put SFC to the top of the table next season. What NC should be aware of (and I'm sure he is) you can't buy success overnight. He only has to look at Man City at the highest level and see what the change of manager has done there or the merry go round that is QPR.

 

Going straight out and changing a manager each time doesn't always guarantee that things will be better (You only have to look at our own history as well to see that). If we go down this road of constantly changing managers then i would fear for the future of any plans for NC/ML because I feel they would find this will not help them achieve their goals / aims for SFC and may well find them lose interest in their pet project.

[modern matron]

You're right....................NOT

 

 

 

 

 

You are a **** - sadly there seem to be lots of dicks like you who want to ridicule the achievements of Markus and his team including AP. This club nearly disappeared but ML saved us. We are in a great position, and will rise again! AP is a great manager who is proving that. Sadly a few dickheads like you will not allow any progress unless it is withouit your approval. Frankly I want you to let things go and to back ML, AP and his team. We haven't lost a league match since boxing day and we're at Wembley!!! Is this failure? NO!!!

[modern matron]

I am actually quite surprised that he is still here to be honest. Perhaps it isn't so easy after all to find a successor who is good enough, ambitious enough, high-profile enough and still willing to take a chance on his reputation in the Third Division... surely that can be the only reason?

 

Try Curbishley next or maybe Sven?

 

Why? My bros is ardent WHU and rates AP not AC!! As for the Swedw - no thanks!!!

[Thedelldays]

You are a **** - sadly there seem to be lots of dicks like you who want to ridicule the achievements of Markus and his team including AP. This club nearly disappeared but ML saved us. We are in a great position, and will rise again! AP is a great manager who is proving that. Sadly a few dickheads like you will not allow any progress unless it is withouit your approval. Frankly I want you to let things go and to back ML, AP and his team. We haven't lost a league match since boxing day and we're at Wembley!!! Is this failure? NO!!!

 

Whilst you don't like the truth being pointed out

did you also notice that NC was not too chipper about league results?

 

All you swearing, ranting and raving won't hide that

[Thedelldays]

Why? My bros is ardent WHU and rates AP not AC!! As for the Swedw - no thanks!!!

 

Can your "bros" be our DoF ? Ok , maybe not

[Glasgow_Saint]

You are a **** - sadly there seem to be lots of dicks like you who want to ridicule the achievements of Markus and his team including AP. This club nearly disappeared but ML saved us. We are in a great position, and will rise again! AP is a great manager who is proving that. Sadly a few dickheads like you will not allow any progress unless it is withouit your approval. Frankly I want you to let things go and to back ML, AP and his team. We haven't lost a league match since boxing day and we're at Wembley!!! Is this failure? NO!!!

 

I'm rubber. You're glue. Whatever you say slides off me and sticks to you!

 

Mods is it possible to reaffirm the message regards personal insults on these boards - some think its now acceptable!

[austsaint]

I am actually quite surprised that he is still here to be honest. Perhaps it isn't so easy after all to find a successor who is good enough, ambitious enough, high-profile enough and still willing to take a chance on his reputation in the Third Division... surely that can be the only reason?

 

Try Curbishley next or maybe Sven?

 

Seriously; this has to be a wind up. It's hard to get your head round the impatience, cynicism and poor judgement wrapped up in Charlie W.s comment. From oblivion a short time ago to how things are now looks pretty sweet to me.

AP is a top class Manager in this division; and higher. Sit back, smell the roses and enjoy the fact you have a club on the rise, and a future.

[Window Cleaner]

I'm rubber. You're glue. Whatever you say slides off me and sticks to you!

 

Mods is it possible to reaffirm the message regards personal insults on these boards - some think its now acceptable!

 

 

Strange the bad language filter usually cuts out dicks and dickhead.

 

Nope it cuts out d*ck but not variations of it like the plural and dickhead.

Absolutely useless.

[Legod Third Coming]

Can't see the Play-Offs as the make or break for AP this season. The team have stalled in mid-table and even with a winning run, the play-offs are now too far away to be a relistic prospect any longer. But if we carry on unbeaten, or mostly unbeaten, even with more drawn games, its hardly conceivable that Pardew would be sacked.

 

What may be more likely is that he could be an early casualty next season, short of his 18 months, if we aren't in the top two come October. Pardew's approach to the game tends to be defensive and negative. Even at Wycombe he took off an attacking wide player (Antonio) and replaced him with a defensive midfielder (Wotton) and then removed one of the strikers (Barnard) who had scored two goals on Saturday. This approach is refected in his preference for 4-5-1 and unless he starts being more positive - which may not be in his make-up - he may not get the results to keep his job next season.

 

Pardew is not a defensive manager per se. 4-5-1 resulted in us beating teams 4-1 and 3-1. I would go back to 4-5-1 this afternoon in a heartbeat. The decision to replace Antonio with Wotton was based on the fact we had zero midfield control on Tuesday, and not for any other reason. It didn't work but Antonio was as effective as a chocolate condom until he came off...

 

We are the 6th highest scorers now (down 1 from last week), top of the league on last five home game form and 7th on overall form last 8 games - pretty good considering 7 of those were AWAY from home.

 

I do like to keep reminding people of the occasional fact.

 

I know most prefer the Alice in Wonderland that this site has become, but the odd bit of accurate information can always liven the debate so the naysayers can make something up to disagree with it...

 

Facts available here:

 

http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D2/hform.html

[Glasgow_Saint]

 

I know most prefer the Alice in Wonderland that this site has become, but the odd bit of accurate information can always liven the debate so the naysayers can make something up to disagree with it...

 

 

Since you like 'facts' how about 12 wins in 30 league games!!

 

Poor, just very poor

[Window Cleaner]

Pardew is not a defensive manager per se. 4-5-1 resulted in us beating teams 4-1 and 3-1. I would go back to 4-5-1 this afternoon in a heartbeat. The decision to replace Antonio with Wotton was based on the fact we had zero midfield control on Tuesday, and not for any other reason. It didn't work but Antonio was as effective as a chocolate condom until he came off...

 

We are the 6th highest scorers now (down 1 from last week), top of the league on last five home game form and 7th on overall form last 8 games - pretty good considering 7 of those were AWAY from home.

 

I do like to keep reminding people of the occasional fact.

 

I know most prefer the Alice in Wonderland that this site has become, but the odd bit of accurate information can always liven the debate so the naysayers can make something up to disagree with it...

 

Facts available here:

 

http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D2/hform.html

 

 

 

Equal 6th on goals scored,9th on points gained, equal 3rd on goals conceded.

What does that say? That we can't obtain 3 points without scoring several goals...well I think it does anyway.Seems to say we can't grind out 1-0 victories all that often.

[John B]

Equal 6th on goals scored,9th on points gained, equal 3rd on goals conceded.

What does that say? That we can't obtain 3 points without scoring several goals...well I think it does anyway.Seems to say we can't grind out 1-0 victories all that often.

 

Or that we dont score the second goal after going one up which has happened a few times.

 

Brentford being the last game for that I think

[Window Cleaner]

Or that we dont score the second goal after going one up which has happened a few times.

 

Brentford being the last game for that I think

 

 

Is that not classed as not grinding out 1-O victories?

[Legod Third Coming]

Since you like 'facts' how about 12 wins in 30 league games!!

 

Poor, just very poor

 

But better than WGS, was he poor in your view? Mine too.

[Legod Third Coming]

Equal 6th on goals scored,9th on points gained, equal 3rd on goals conceded.

What does that say? That we can't obtain 3 points without scoring several goals...well I think it does anyway.Seems to say we can't grind out 1-0 victories all that often.

 

Er check your stats mate... we are not 3rd worst on goals against. LOL!!!!!

[John B]

Is that not classed as not grinding out 1-O victories?

 

No I dont think so

 

 

Because we go one up but continue to attack but dont seem to be able to get the second goal

[Window Cleaner]

Er check your stats mate... we are not 3rd worst on goals against. LOL!!!!!

 

we're equal 3rd best though, which is what I said, if I meant 3rd worst I'd have said 24th or whatever.We don't concede shedloads of goals but obtain less points than some who concede more.

[Legod Third Coming]

Er for the hard of reading the internet we have THE THIRD BEST DEFENCE IN THE LEAGUE...

[Legod Third Coming]

we're equal 3rd best though, which is what I said, if I meant 3rd worst I'd have said 24th or whatever.We don't concede shedloads of goals but obtain less points than some who concede more.

 

Fair enough...

[Thedelldays]

Why? My bros is ardent WHU and rates AP not AC!! As for the Swedw - no thanks!!!

 

But better than WGS, was he poor in your view? Mine too.

 

WGS would have been poor if he spent more than the rest of the prem combined. Did he at all when with saints?

[Legod Third Coming]

WGS would have been poor if he spent more than the rest of the prem combined. Did he at all when with saints?

 

Didn't he buy our most expensive ever players... Rory for £4m, Delgado for £3.5m....

 

WGS was in his third season when he won 13 league games... why don't we give AP a full season and see how he compares?

[Window Cleaner]

Didn't he buy our most expensive ever players... Rory for £4m, Delgado for £3.5m....

 

WGS was in his third season when he won 13 league games... why don't we give AP a full season and see how he compares?

 

 

 

Weren't they both Gray signings ? Although nobody wants to admit to

Delgado anyway.WGS had a mediocre record in the transfer market some good a few bad,like Neil McCann but he didn't have a whole lot to spend compared to other clubs.He did however get the best out of a lot of players we already had...which is something you can't trumpet AP's record over.

Edited 27 February, 2010 by Window Cleaner

[John B]

Didn't he buy our most expensive ever players... Rory for £4m, Delgado for £3.5m....

 

WGS was in his third season when he won 13 league games... why don't we give AP a full season and see how he compares?

 

I think AP is better than WGS anyway

[Legod Third Coming]

Weren't they both Gray signings ? Although nobody wants to admit to

Delgado anyway.WGS had a mediocre record in the transfer market some good a few bad,like Neil McCann but he didn't have a whole lot to spend compared to other clubs.

 

Agreed. Although I thought McCann was one of those players we bought and then just never gave him a proper run at left wing - we kept picking crop circles there!!

 

Now answer me this, if WGS was a good manager, how many goals did we score from a Rory Delap throw in...!!!!