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Just a question, but if it's all down to our poor start, no pre-season and not having the best players to begin with, how come we seem to be further off the play-offs now than we were at Christmas?

 

Because we've drawn games we should have won and the teams in the play off positions are in form. They are putting pressure on Norwich and Leeds.

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Good example of why knee jerk reactions often backfire. They replaced him with Mancini who has a worse record.

 

Not a knee jerk reaction though. They planned precisely when they would drop Mancini in.

 

Norwich binned Gunn after one freak result. Didn't do too bad for them.

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Not a knee jerk reaction though. They planned precisely when they would drop Mancini in.

 

Norwich binned Gunn after one freak result. Didn't do too bad for them.

 

In other words, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. There is, however, only one way to test the theory. A couple more draws/defeats and we may see the experiment begin!

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Because we've drawn games we should have won and the teams in the play off positions are in form. They are putting pressure on Norwich and Leeds.

 

But why have we drawn those games?

 

A fair few people on here are saying it's all down to the reasons I mentioned above.

 

I'm hoping that Pardew will sort it but the league form recently has been patchy, certainly below where we should be in this league with the investment we've made.

 

But it seems that if you say that you're some kind of moaner.

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Take a look on footballforums.net, all fans of other clubs think that Pardew is doing a good job under the circumstances and that we are the ones to watch for the title next season.

 

ONLY with the Squad we have now

 

But I doubt if we will be able to KEEP the players we now have

 

As I keep saying, I do not think the better players will want another season in Division One:cool:

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Which is the reason why Citeeh will not win anything despite their money.

 

Gunn was manager at Norwich ast season when they were relegated.

 

And they supported him through the close season allowed him to sign players, allowed him to manage them into this season then boof, he's gone after one freak result.

 

Still, they seem happy.

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But why have we drawn those games?

 

A fair few people on here are saying it's all down to the reasons I mentioned above.

 

I'm hoping that Pardew will sort it but the league form recently has been patchy, certainly below where we should be in this league with the investment we've made.

 

But it seems that if you say that you're some kind of moaner.

 

I look at this situation from a slightly different perspective. If the performaces are right and they are improving then the results will follow, maybe not immediately but eventually. Performances have been mixed. I think this is partly to do with selection and tactics but probably more to do with the number of new players we've signed.

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Nearly all of the new players were playing in this league before signing for Saints.

 

it's not about the new players, it's about 3 key players, we all know who they are. The 2 younger ones have seen their international careers slip away and Lambert will fancy a shot higher up sooner or later...probably sooner.

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The team were an absolute shambles when AP took over. His signings have been very good IMO but there are a couple of areas he still needs to get to grips with - central midfield in particular.

 

I also think we need to turn one of the carpet like pirches at Staplewood into a ploughed field so that the players are not always training on 'carpets'. There's no doubt about it, we do need to learn to win games on ploughed fields as well as the bowling greens.

 

Personally I give AP 7/10 so far, based on the fact that we really were bad when he took charge. I would certainly give him the whole of the summer and then until Christmas to show good league form.

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it's not about the new players, it's about 3 key players, we all know who they are. The 2 younger ones have seen their international careers slip away and Lambert will fancy a shot higher up sooner or later...probably sooner.

 

Hmmm, you might be underestimating the club's current financial clout. There ain't too many clubs in the CCC with money and facilities that match ours and I think our players, except for Lallana, are not Prem quality.

 

I personally have no doubt that the players AP wants to keep will stay next year.

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Hmmm, you might be underestimating the club's current financial clout. There ain't too many clubs in the CCC with money and facilities that match ours and I think our players, except for Lallana, are not Prem quality.

 

I personally have no doubt that the players AP wants to keep will stay next year.

 

we shall see, for young players money isn't always everything.

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we shall see, for young players money isn't always everything.

 

They are not so young. If the right offers were presented to Fonte, Schneiderlin, Lallana, Lambert and Puncheon, they might well fancy a go in a higher level of football. I for one do not believe that any of them will demonstrate loyalty to the Saints if we're still in Div 3 and the right offer is made.

 

Then there's Pulis of course. What would we do without him?

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Just a question, but if it's all down to our poor start, no pre-season and not having the best players to begin with, how come we seem to be further off the play-offs now than we were at Christmas?

 

Because of the last nine games, seven have been away, including Leeds, Colchester and Norwich.

 

The only true way to establish how well we are doing is to wait until everyone has played everyone.

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Who, precisely would replace AP, in League 1? Can't see anyone with much better credentials wanting to. If they are any good they'll already be in a berth in premiership or Chship.

 

what about the bloke from Bury, although he's probably turned us down a few times already.Anyway we may be looking "abroad" who knows.

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That may be so, but just look at the sides we lose points to

 

A great win at Norwich, who are TOP of the table, followed by a draw at Wycombe, who were virtually BOTTOM

 

THAT IS BAD

 

Pardew has NOT installed any STEEL into the team

 

A lot on here go on about it was too much to ask re Promotion THIS season

 

To that I say BO**OCKS, I don't think Leibherr/Cortese would agree with that, they wanted Promotion THIS season

 

Just go through our results this season. We have given away points to RUBBISH sides. and those RUBBISH results are going to cost us a Top Six finish

 

Pardew's Team has UNDERACHIEVED, you cannot deny that fact:cool:

 

Well put........

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Perhaps these teams we hfail to beat are not rubbish

 

Evidently not, but we should beat them considering our players are of superior standard, or perhaps they simply just aren't and we paid a lot of money for them for no reason.

I don't really care but if we have no ambition because we can't beat the teams towards the bottom of the table would the manager and chairman just please stop confusing us by talking about play-offs and playing like a top 2 team and then turning out garbage results and awful performances.Too many mixed signals, do we judge our ambition from what they say or from what we achieve on the pitch?

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Ex Saint. I expect he'd walk here to be manager. Alan Knill.

 

Still they might go up this time and then it would be a bit of a conundrum for him as I think he's been there a couple of season now.Still when anyone says "who then" there are possibilities who might do just as well as AP with our superior talent pool,because they've already been there and done that with far less.

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We really need a convincing win on Saturday, anything less than three points and I fear Pardew may start feeling the pressure of Cortese breathing down his neck.

 

We will get a good win on Saturday if we have our first XI available, if we have to botch central midfield then it might be a bit of a scrape but we'll probably win anyway.

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You're right so long ago I forgot, but just goes to prove my point to many draws early on has ****ed us. We are not actually losing many matches we just nedd to turn those draws into wins, at home I really excpect us to win now against anybody, away from home not so much.

 

Yes, I think us and Charlton have drawn more than anyone in lge 1. I think it's because AP has been more interested in not losing rather than trying to win but that's just my view based on what I've seen.

 

Fair comments by Claridge I thought, AP should be given more time but he has to step up a gear now.

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Perhaps these teams we hfail to beat are not rubbish

 

Now John it's a well known fact we've spent loads of dosh thus we should automatically beat all these clubs. Even without spending money we are saints so all other clubs in the division should lets us win. We should also win becuase we have more fans and a nicer stadium. None of the other teams players can be any good becuase they didn't cost lots of money and came from some other crap team. It's a well known fact that only expensive players win matches. All other teams in this division are crap and saints should be beating them all becuase we are SAINTS.

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Still they might go up this time and then it would be a bit of a conundrum for him as I think he's been there a couple of season now.Still when anyone says "who then" there are possibilities who might do just as well as AP with our superior talent pool,because they've already been there and done that with far less.

 

I don't like trash football. If Pardew goes I don't care who it is, as long as their record is making teams better collectively than their players and playing passing football.

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I don't like trash football. If Pardew goes I don't care who it is, as long as their record is making teams better collectively than their players and playing passing football.

 

I don't mind a season's trash football as long as it's a means to an end.

But as I say elsewhere to me the high skill,low energy game is vastly superior to what we're playing now.

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Lowe got rid of Sturrock after 2 games into the season when we were in the premier league. You know what happened after.

 

Sturrock says he wasn't got rid of by either way.

 

Lowe definately got rid of Grey early in a season and brought in WGS.

 

All these examples indicate is that it's not about when you get rid of a manager but who you get in to replace him.

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Because of the last nine games, seven have been away, including Leeds, Colchester and Norwich.

 

The only true way to establish how well we are doing is to wait until everyone has played everyone.

 

We won at Norwich. How does that explain us losing ground in the play off chase?

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Good idea. Glasgow Saint has already stated he can do a better job than Pardew so he can have the first go. Might have to attend a game though? We can then all call for his head after 45 minutes of his first game if Saints are not winning 4-0 against a side wih no money or any right to be on the same pitch as Saints :-)

 

I'll pay a tenner to take over in the second half - Glasgow out !!

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I don't mind a season's trash football as long as it's a means to an end.

But as I say elsewhere to me the high skill,low energy game is vastly superior to what we're playing now.

 

Thats funny to me a good match is high tempo, lots of hard tackles, players showing passion, a few goals and a few bits of individual skill. Another reason why some fans are never going to be happy if we play the way you enjoy I'd be bored. If we play matches the way I enjoy you'd be offended by the lack of high skill. Each to their own.

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We won at Norwich. How does that explain us losing ground in the play off chase?

 

I know funny thing football isn't it... the fixtures and our cup run mean we are always at least 6 points further away than we could be.

 

Win those games, beat Huddersfield and we have 10 points to make up in 13 games. It's not impossible.

 

It's fecking hard but not impossible.

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Thats funny to me a good match is high tempo, lots of hard tackles, players showing passion, a few goals and a few bits of individual skill. Another reason why some fans are never going to be happy if we play the way you enjoy I'd be bored. If we play matches the way I enjoy you'd be offended by the lack of high skill. Each to their own.

 

Why can't we have high tempo, high passion, high skill football?

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Whoopee. We should be the ones to watch for storming in the play offs this season, just like Leeds did with a 15 point penalty and nothing like the funds we spent. Nothing like it.

 

Sorry I must have missed something I thought Leeds are still in div one..... I want promotion not the play offs. That will happen next season hopefully automatically.

 

Our league form is skewed due to the slow start while AP built his team. Last 20 games I think 11 wins 6 draws and 3 defeats nearly 2 points a games - 92 pts over a full season. If we maintained this including the poor start we would finish on 70 points which if you add back the 10 points would probably put us in the playoffs.

 

Defeats home to Brighton, who have a terrific away record, and at Leeds and Colchester by the odd goal, both top 3. If you also add the Swindon and Huddersfield away defeats - both top 6 - earlier in the season things are not so bad. The worry is the inability to win away from home by the odd goal when leading particularly near the end of games on poor, heavy pitches. This needs to be addressed.

 

However if we can't maintain this improvement for the rest of the season or start well AP will be under presssure big time in my view.

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Sorry I must have missed something I thought Leeds are still in div one..... I want promotion not the play offs. That will happen next season hopefully automatically.

 

Our league form is skewed due to the slow start while AP built his team. Last 20 games I think 11 wins 6 draws and 3 defeats nearly 2 points a games - 92 pts over a full season. If we maintained this including the poor start we would finish on 70 points which if you add back the 10 points would probably put us in the playoffs.

 

Defeats home to Brighton, who have a terrific away record, and at Leeds and Colchester by the odd goal, both top 3. If you also add the Swindon and Huddersfield away defeats - both top 6 - earlier in the season things are not so bad. The worry is the inability to win away from home by the odd goal when leading particularly near the end of games on poor, heavy pitches. This needs to be addressed.

 

However if we can't maintain this improvement for the rest of the season or start well AP will be under presssure big time in my view.

 

The other point is only 8 of those 20 have been home games.........

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Hmmm, you might be underestimating the club's current financial clout. There ain't too many clubs in the CCC with money and facilities that match ours and I think our players, except for Lallana, are not Prem quality.

 

I personally have no doubt that the players AP wants to keep will stay next year.

our financial clout will mean nothing if we dont go up and lambert wants to play for a team in the CCC

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our financial clout will mean nothing if we dont go up and lambert wants to play for a team in the CCC

 

It won't be Lamberts choice, it will be the clubs. We have no need to sell anyone and I believe that NC is hard nosed enough not to let anyone leave just because they want to.

 

Ultimately we would want a huge return on Lambert, Fonte etc and I think this will price them out of most clubs sight.

 

It would have been very naive of the players to sign with the view of going up this season and I feel that the true test in keeping this squad together will be if we fail to get promotion next year.

 

In the words of dannysfc, but we will see!

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