Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 a whole 12 league wins...you must be easily pleased I think the disappointment of the last few years has significantly altered some of our fans ambitions, aspirations and ideas of success and failure. 12 wins in 30 league games (in L1) when you have spent more than the whole league combined (signing the leagues two top scorers on the way) is NEVER going to be seen as a success by anyone but our damaged fans (thankfully now a small percentage) It highlights the importance of NC imo – the guy is new(ish) to SFC and will not be haunted or damaged by past events, and will judge results and performances based on the here and now. We were given a fresh (bright) start in the summer, but too many of our fans are obsessed with the past failings – it’s sad and I almost feel sorry for them. To have such low, low, low expectations…….it must really suck! They talk about post war syndrome – maybe some of our fans are suffering from post Lowe syndrome? Is there a cure? Someone :smt100 our damaged fans!!
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 I think the disappointment of the last few years has significantly altered some of our fans ambitions, aspirations and ideas of success and failure. 12 wins in 30 league games (in L1) when you have spent more than the whole league combined (signing the leagues two top scorers on the way) is NEVER going to be seen as a success by anyone but our damaged fans (thankfully now a small percentage) It highlights the importance of NC imo – the guy is new(ish) to SFC and will not be haunted or damaged by past events, and will judge results and performances based on the here and now. We were given a fresh (bright) start in the summer, but too many of our fans are obsessed with the past failings – it’s sad and I almost feel sorry for them. To have such low, low, low expectations…….it must really suck! They talk about post war syndrome – maybe some of our fans are suffering from post Lowe syndrome? Is there a cure? Someone :smt100 our damaged fans!! Are you going to be calling for the next managers head after he has an arguably poor season? Jesus, you're worst than QPR.
Armitage Shanks Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 put him, me and delldays on ignore - trust me the number of fans ****ed off with our performances is growing so you will not be able to avoid it for long. You were as pleased as punch after Saturday's score. You do live an up and down life.
iansums Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 a whole 12 league wins...you must be easily pleased Does not mean I'm not disappointed about last nights result, I am. I think we should be doing better than we are. But yes, I'm enjoying the season.
derry Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 Glasgow what actually do you want? Please start an AP out thread if that's what you want, but please stop these " I told you so" comments trying to prove your argument that failure is inevitable. You almost seem, not unhappy, that we failed to win as it proves your "argument". Just be honest you want AP replaced don't you at whatever cost? Alan Pardew doesn't need any help, unless he produces a consistent run of convincing results by the end of the season, which convinces Cortese that we will win the league next year, he will be a goner. I hope for his sake he sorts this team and proves that many on here are correct in having confidence in him.
samoakley Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 4 points is not bad at all, after getting 3 points vs norwich it would of been easyer if we beaten wwfc and made the run easyer, i would of settled for 1 points vs HTFC Leeds and charlton at home but now we have to win those and go unbeaten with at least 12wins for us to make playoffs.
St Marco Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 it's all about perspective, which certain people can't grasp. you're right, it isn't a bad set of results in all honesty still unbeaten in 2010. if we beat wallsall and hudersfield we'll be on our way again. And as i mentioned in another thread. This weekend Huddersfield go away to Leeds and we then play them in midweek. If they lose to leeds and us they will be 13 points ahead of us with us having 2 games in hand on them. Meaning when you level it up it could be a 7 point gap. I think these 6 away games out of the last 8 games could be a blessing in disguise for us. We got pretty much 50% of the away points on offer and that is pretty decent. We could look back at our last 5 away as won 1 and drew 4 as a decent run of results after the home run of games.
RonManager Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 And as i mentioned in another thread. This weekend Huddersfield go away to Leeds and we then play them in midweek. If they lose to leeds and us they will be 13 points ahead of us with us having 2 games in hand on them. Meaning when you level it up it could be a 7 point gap. I too have suggested exactly this scenario on another thread - great minds etc etc
Saint Fan CaM Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 Can agree with that, i would have been so happy with the four points before sat. It is just a shame we couldn't take that passion and drive to Wycombe. Summed up in two lines - perfect.
SNSUN Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 Win at Norwich and Draw at Wycombe = bad 4 points? Confused.com. Glad someone touched on this, I just put it up on the match fred. 4 points before the Norwich game, for the two away games, would have been a good result. Dropping two points in the debatably easier of the two games is where it becomes a poor result. After winning at Norwich, those three points raise peoples expectations. Six points was definitely achievable. Incidentally if the Wycombe game had come first and the results from both had been the same, we'd all be on a high following the Norwich game. (Yes, i think I just confused myself). Let's pray for a decent fixture list next season!
RedArmy Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 Picking up unexpected points at Norwich does not all of a sudden make it acceptable to drop points at one of the worst teams in the league.
70's Mike Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 Picking up unexpected points at Norwich does not all of a sudden make it acceptable to drop points at one of the worst teams in the league. agreed they were a bonus which needed capitalising on for the first time this season i now fill the play offs are out of reach i gather AP was not happy with a few players changes for saturday
madruss Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 First result very good. Second result bad. Still on the bright side we've had two consecutive away clean sheets, having gone the whole season prior to that without a single one. At least the defence is in good shape
BadgerBadger Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 It amazes me how some of you have soooooo much time to spend debating the t1ts off how well we're doing
eurosaint Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 I think the disappointment of the last few years has significantly altered some of our fans ambitions, aspirations and ideas of success and failure. 12 wins in 30 league games (in L1) when you have spent more than the whole league combined (signing the leagues two top scorers on the way) is NEVER going to be seen as a success by anyone but our damaged fans (thankfully now a small percentage) It highlights the importance of NC imo – the guy is new(ish) to SFC and will not be haunted or damaged by past events, and will judge results and performances based on the here and now. We were given a fresh (bright) start in the summer, but too many of our fans are obsessed with the past failings – it’s sad and I almost feel sorry for them. To have such low, low, low expectations…….it must really suck! They talk about post war syndrome – maybe some of our fans are suffering from post Lowe syndrome? Is there a cure? Someone :smt100 our damaged fans!! What a load of patronising claptrap ! Because others choose not to criticise every dropped point does not mean that they have 'low expectations' ! Many are able to see the bigger picture and are sensible enough to be patient and allow the manager a reasonable period in which to settle and develop a strong squad ! Pardew has been here 8 months and 5 of the new signings have been here since January (your obsession with us having spent so much money suggests that you expect immediate impact from day one!). Please do not feel sorry for me as I am able decide on my own expectation levels !
Dr Who? Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 I think there would be a big swing next season if we are not challenging at the top next season. A far as this season goes I am enjoying it, and going to give AP a full pre-season and see how it goes next season. I think we will be at the top this time next season, and if we are out of the running for automatic promotion at this time next season AP's job WILL be on the line!
stmusicdude Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 I don`t have to justify my self to you...none of your business really But as you asked so nicely,it is because like many others i am are sick and tired of him posting the same sort of garbage on several threads. what really gets to me is that when there is a positive they LOOK for a negative.. like I have said SOME points they raise are very valid But then they go on & on & on & keep looking to knock everything..
stmusicdude Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 I think the disappointment of the last few years has significantly altered some of our fans ambitions, aspirations and ideas of success and failure. Yes I agree with that they do somewhat. >> 12 wins in 30 league games (in L1) when you have spent more than the whole league combined (signing the leagues two top scorers on the way) is NEVER going to be seen as a success by anyone but our damaged fans (thankfully now a small percentage) >> you Cant again your right, it's not success, BUT looking closer it's NOT failure either! It highlights the importance of NC imo – the guy is new(ish) to SFC and will not be haunted or damaged by past events, and will judge results and performances based on the here and now. I should hope not, but swapping & changing isnt the way to the success we crave either. We need some consitancy in the whole structure of the club We were given a fresh (bright) start in the summer, but too many of our fans are obsessed with the past failing s – it’s sad and I almost feel sorry for them. >>>TOO many are obssessed with the fact we have spent more than most other teams ... so what .. The no pre season is hogwash is a poor argument too Good solid teams take TIME to build at ANY level. To have such low, low, low expectations…….it must really suck! Indeeed just as to see ONLY negative must!!!
aintforever Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 4 points from those games is not a bad return, but if you are trying to catch up 17 points on the top 6 it is just not good enough. We had to win both to give us any hope at all.
sadoldgit Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 And Alpine has picked up another stalker only interested in abuse... You know you have problems when you start talking about youself in the third person! Still back to the results. 4 points way from home not to be sneezed at. We are not going to roll over teams every time. Often it is harder to play the poorer sides than the better ones but we have proved that we can "do" Norwich, by far one of the strongest teams in the divison, and that is more important than a draw at Wycombe. Still not beaten this year. This time last year we couldn't buy a win. We HAVE made progress, just because we don't play like Brazil every game it is no reason to be negative.
sadoldgit Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 I think there would be a big swing next season if we are not challenging at the top next season. A far as this season goes I am enjoying it, and going to give AP a full pre-season and see how it goes next season. I think we will be at the top this time next season, and if we are out of the running for automatic promotion at this time next season AP's job WILL be on the line! Why? At some point we are going to show some faith in a manager. God knows this place has been full of wailing and the gnashing of teeth about how many managers we have gotten through. It will be a tough call for any club to get automatic promotion next season. If we make the play offs I shall be more than happy. All you can do is put yourself in with a shout.
Thedelldays Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 Why? At some point we are going to show some faith in a manager. God knows this place has been full of wailing and the gnashing of teeth about how many managers we have gotten through. It will be a tough call for any club to get automatic promotion next season. If we make the play offs I shall be more than happy. All you can do is put yourself in with a shout. you are right...we should have shown faith in jan poortvliet..or even wotte
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 you are right...we should have shown faith in jan poortvliet..or even wotte Absolutely... You said Wotte would keep us up....
Thedelldays Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 Absolutely... You said Wotte would keep us up.... i did.....so wotte..? in soggys world, we should have kept faith with him after all..to get around mid table..we have had to change the entire squad almost..so what chance did wotte have last season
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 i did.....so wotte..? in soggys world, we should have kept faith with him after all..to get around mid table..we have had to change the entire squad almost..so what chance did wotte have last season He was an idiot,talked utter rubbish... Do you remember the article and interview when the muppet had a go at the fans.
Thedelldays Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 He was an idiot,talked utter rubbish... Do you remember the article and interview when the muppet had a go at the fans. he was sort of right...imagine a whole stadium full of people like me, glasgowand alpine...you react to just three of us
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 he was sort of right...imagine a whole stadium full of people like me, glasgowand alpine...you react to just three of us OMG what a thought!! We would miss all the words of expert judgement:rolleyes: on here on matchdays.
Thedelldays Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 OMG what a thought!! We would miss all the words of expert judgement:rolleyes: on here on matchdays. :smt103
Saint_clark Posted 24 February, 2010 Author Posted 24 February, 2010 he was sort of right...imagine a whole stadium full of people like me, glasgowand alpine...you react to just three of us Yeah, because telling the local paper that anybody who went on the protest march was not a real fan is really an acceptable thing to say.
Thedelldays Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 Yeah, because telling the local paper that anybody who went on the protest march was not a real fan is really an acceptable thing to say. indeed....much like telling people on here they are not real fans..in relative terms...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 indeed....much like telling people on here they are not real fans..in relative terms... Nothing like it at all. The moaners on here are on the back of the side/manager week in week out. Those on the march supported the team through it all week in week out..
Thedelldays Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 Nothing like it at all. The moaners on here are on the back of the side/manager week in week out. Those on the march supported the team through it all week in week out.. I am not..I was not..I was one of those championing pardew when MANY where "underwhelmed" by his appointment..I was one of a few that believed he had the tools to take us up this season...I was called "unrealistic" others totally insulted his abilities by saying we COULD finish around 19th...ffs, 19th,!!!! I know we are better than drawing away to wycombe and not ONCE have I said I want pardew out..but that all gets over looked..
saint_stevo Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 I am not..I was not..I was one of those championing pardew when MANY where "underwhelmed" by his appointment..I was one of a few that believed he had the tools to take us up this season...I was called "unrealistic" others totally insulted his abilities by saying we COULD finish around 19th...ffs, 19th,!!!! I know we are better than drawing away to wycombe and not ONCE have I said I want pardew out..but that all gets over looked.. Do you even go to games?
Thedelldays Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 Do you even go to games? i went to the man u FA Cup game last season...before that, Man U at home in 2005...before that, man U away that same season infact, I seem to follow saints when they play man u... oh my god
saint_stevo Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 i went to the man u FA Cup game last season...before that, Man U at home in 2005...before that, man U away that same season infact, I seem to follow saints when they play man u... oh my god Plastic defeatist IMO......
trousers Posted 24 February, 2010 Posted 24 February, 2010 I see bundling unconnected games together is the new "we didn't have any pre season". We're the richest club in the division and we are aiming for the play offs this season (oh yes we are and oh dear, the p i sswipes can't pretend we're not anymore, as Cortese and Pardew have said it. We are. We are.) With that in mind, not beating Wycombe away is not good enough. Every club is going to get dodgy results but we've already had a boat load this season and now was the time for our five wins in a row. But not to be. And the Norwich result was great but was also the first time we'd beaten a top six team all season, so lets not dine out on that too much. It didn't give us a "don't bother with the next game" card. It wasn't worth eight points. But I am sure Wycombe had a knockout pre-season we could have only dreamed of. Best post I have read on here for a long, long while
NickG Posted 25 February, 2010 Posted 25 February, 2010 I see bundling unconnected games together is the new "we didn't have any pre season". We're the richest club in the division and we are aiming for the play offs this season (oh yes we are and oh dear, the p i sswipes can't pretend we're not anymore, as Cortese and Pardew have said it. We are. We are.) With that in mind, not beating Wycombe away is not good enough. Every club is going to get dodgy results but we've already had a boat load this season and now was the time for our five wins in a row. But not to be. And the Norwich result was great but was also the first time we'd beaten a top six team all season, so lets not dine out on that too much. It didn't give us a "don't bother with the next game" card. It wasn't worth eight points. But I am sure Wycombe had a knockout pre-season we could have only dreamed of. I don't see lack of preseason, or late into transfer market etc as issues as to how we are doing now- we have hade plenty of time to start moving on - and clearly have (whether quick enough or not is another debate). Only a fool would say it didn't impact the first month or two of the season though, which is the main reason we are so far behind. Agree that we needed to go on a run of victories to have a slight chance of play offs so to that aim it was not a good enough result. Doubt that Cortesse had booked his hotel for the play offs though.
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