Northant Saint Posted 23 February, 2010 Share Posted 23 February, 2010 and then having a strop when he gets exposed. It's a fun little routine though. It's happened like this for years. Perhaps the admins should have an automated reply for Alpine's pre-defeat/draw posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 23 February, 2010 Share Posted 23 February, 2010 we were crap, and should have adjusted to the poor pitch by getting it wide. We didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 we were crap, and should have adjusted to the poor pitch by getting it wide. We didn't. Football IS a funny old game, BUT it has always been so, whether it was Wimbledon or is Stoke. BUT We are supposed to have good players who train all week. We have good coaches. So why is it that if the fans can see this then the players either cannot see it OR cannot execute it? It is incredibly arrogant for us to ignore the role the opposition will play in a football match, Wycombe are fighting for survival in this league and the conditions and their approach ensured we were not able to impose our game and superior quality on them. But from all reports and the commentary we strung 3 passes together only about 3 times yesterday, but again, the players went onto the pitch before the game to warm up so how on EARTH could they talk about not adapting to the conditions? Perhaps more time spent seeing what happens when they kick the ball in the mud instead of the jogging up and down stuff? Is it arrogance from the players? fans? or management? Probably a mixture of all 3. Alpine is actually right on this one, he could have worded his thread title in a more happy clappy manner to avoid the digs but then if I was manager of a struggling team about to play Saints at home I'd have it pinned to my wall in the office Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 I think blaming the pitch is pretty fair. Both teams were unable to pass a ball any sense all night. Cobblers. They won every second ball and used the width of the pitch. We couldn't hit a pass, spent all night letting them run midfield and generally aimed everything at Marlow. How can you blame a pitch we didn't ****ing use????!!! There is a reason we drew all right. We were awful. The pitch was too good for our standard of football, that's for sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 Positives: Clean sheet again. KD save in 2nd half! Negatives: Morgan missing told. I know he has his critics but we play so much better with him and Hammond together. He seems to be the one who picks out the quality passes both wide and narrow. Drawing with team in bottom 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 If we know the next game is away at a crappy ground on a sh1 tty pitch the solution has to be; Train on the Veracity Ground in Merry Oak or Riverside Park. I seem to remember my passing game on those pitches was not up to scratch.... HTH The Dell was a crappy pitch when the weather was bad in the middle of winter but was never used as an excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opthomps Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 Totally fair post, just an unusual way of highlighting the problems that exist which gets up some peoples nose. Pardew admits we have struggled on these pitches in his post match notes: "On these pitches we haven't done well, Exeter, Brentford, Millwall, this one, we just can't seem to get a game plan together that will get us a result.' We need to learn fast how to win at the bottom clubs, because next season if we arent winning these games then we won't be at the top of the league. Pardew must be top 2 or 3 by christmas otherwise he will probably be gone. For what its worth I am disappointed but am aware that it might take a few games for all players to gel, and morgan being out is a big blow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 24 February, 2010 Totally fair post, just an unusual way of highlighting the problems that exist which gets up some peoples nose. Pardew admits we have struggled on these pitches in his post match notes: "On these pitches we haven't done well, Exeter, Brentford, Millwall, this one, we just can't seem to get a game plan together that will get us a result.' We need to learn fast how to win at the bottom clubs, because next season if we arent winning these games then we won't be at the top of the league. Pardew must be top 2 or 3 by christmas otherwise he will probably be gone. For what its worth I am disappointed but am aware that it might take a few games for all players to gel, and morgan being out is a big blow! Havent read it. Did he really say that ? He's the wrong man for the job then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 AP got this one wrong as evidenced by his 1st half substitution. More thought should have been put into how to play on a carp pitch. I guess he went for the long ball game, but I think an agressive high tempo game was all that was needed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 Totally fair post, just an unusual way of highlighting the problems that exist which gets up some peoples nose. Pardew admits we have struggled on these pitches in his post match notes: "On these pitches we haven't done well, Exeter, Brentford, Millwall, this one, we just can't seem to get a game plan together that will get us a result.' We need to learn fast how to win at the bottom clubs, because next season if we arent winning these games then we won't be at the top of the league. Pardew must be top 2 or 3 by christmas otherwise he will probably be gone. For what its worth I am disappointed but am aware that it might take a few games for all players to gel, and morgan being out is a big blow! Here is the plan. Pass the ball to a colleague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 Havent read it. Did he really say that ? He's the wrong man for the job then... I agree he needs to sort it out, BUT I don't think he's the wrong man for the job. He needs to come up with a balance for playing on good pitches and bad pitches. The issue is when you buy players to play all the way to the Prem, and with flair players like Lallana et al, it iis difficult for them to play on bad pitches. Bad pitches are also condusive to the long ball game, which unfortunately facilittates the need for a good long passer of the ball. Who's our best long passer? Mr Schneiderlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 Why don't we just buy all Wycombe's players? They appeared to be able to dribble, run and pass and shoot quite comfortably on that pitch... Our problem is on a smaller pitch... The six inches between the players ears!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncoboy Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 There is a valid point that we fail to beat teams that we should if we are contenders for a play off place. No point beating Norwich if you are going to drop points at clubs in the bottom three. Promotion this season has gone and that is one of the two chances AP will have. AP has had money and some time now and we stutter and start. DC makes a difference but obviously we cant rely on him. We need to inject more muscle into the team to win when conditions and clubs striving for survival are against us. There is a danger that this season we will tail off in to mediocrity. By the way the JPT is no certaintty. Lose that an AP will be gone by October if he doesnt start well next season Just not good enough results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 By the way the JPT is no certaintty. Yes looks as though Carlisle are preparing for Wembley Tuesday, 23 February 2010 Coca-Cola Football League One -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hartlepool 4 Carlisle 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 20 February 2010 Coca-Cola Football League One -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Swindon 2 Carlisle 0 Tuesday, 16 February 2010 Coca-Cola Football League One -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carlisle 1 Huddersfield 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 If we dont finish within 10 points of top 6 (minimum) then AP's role should be considered. Doesn't have to do much to achieve that, win the 2 games in hand then we are one win away from YOUR target, doubt if his employers see it as you do, either way ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 (edited) ...get your groundsman to water f**k out of the pitch, then invite the local group of bonehead rugby players to prance around on it the day before the match Guaranteed at least 1 point !!! Seems to be fair comment based on what I saw last night. Although I'm not quite sure why we weren't able to pass the ball on a reasonably flat - if sticky - pitch. Never ceases to amaze me how thick footballers are. PASS IT TO THE WINGS ON THE GRASS YOU IDIOTS !!!! Can't see why anyone would blame (at a quick glance) Pardew or Wotton, Pardew changed things as much as was possible when the entire time was basically in sleepwalk mode and Lambert in particular was awful, and Wotton was the one player who did the smart thing with the ball in getting it out of the gloop and into the corners behind their defence any chance we had. Sometimes you just have to play for the conditions, and we didn't. Having said that, we could have won by two goals if we'd taken our chances (or lost if they'd taken theirs). Edited 24 February, 2010 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutwood2 Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 Northampton Town 2 Man U 8...FA Cup 5th Round 1970...Have a look at the pitch! Good players can play on anything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 Northampton Town 2 Man U 8...FA Cup 5th Round 1970...Have a look at the pitch! Good players can play on anything! LMFAO... worst example to prove a point ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourno Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 The pitch last night was a disgrace. The ball got stuck a few times and it badly affected our play. AP realised this and brought on Wotton very early on. Maybe we should have coped better. Wycombe will be more used to this pitch and were able to more than match us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 FWIW, I think Alpine makes a very good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 FWIW, I think Alpine makes a very good point. Exactly. I can only guess those coming back with different remarks didn't make it to the game last night...... The pitch is crap thru the middle = get it out wide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 Got to agree with Alps on this. We didn't turn up really to deal with the pitch and they did. The difference was they used the wings at all available opportunities. AP made a tactical mistake by putting Puncheon centrally to start and although he changed it, he compounded the error by bringing on Wotton too early - he should have just switched Antonio who has height and a bit skill. The message should have gone out to the Captain to get play out to the wings. Lallana was drifting far too central. Disappointing result but hey we got a point and there is still a chance. I maintain that because there will be better away pitches to win on than the one last night and more home games than away, in our remaining matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 we should assemble a B-team of hoofers and muggers for these games. The pretty stuff aint working on these type of pitches, Pontys right Errrrrrrr - we didn't play pretty stuff last night though ??? I know......Why don't we try passing it with wide men? Must be worth a try surely......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordshire_saint Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 A bad pitch doesn't mean you can't play decent footie. We seemed to assume this against Brentford at Griffin Park and played long ball all night. Their players were used to the pitch and seemed to pass it around just fine. If we're due to play a team who's pitch we know is garbage, why doesn't Pards take the players out for a training session on a local sunday-league pitch? (and don't give the injury argument, I've played on naff pitches all season and not seen an injury caused by the pitch itself) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumush Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 "Rough Up" one of the pitches at Staplewood and practice on that. Job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 Maybe those teams don't read our forum, so the message might be more effectively posted elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 We should be able to handle a crap pitch,a lot of our players have been knocking around the the lower leagues for years where crap pitches are as common as Ashley coles bits of fluff on the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourno Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 "Rough Up" one of the pitches at Staplewood and practice on that. Job done. Ask a local farmer if we could use his ploughed field, it wouldn't be far off Admans Park last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 I think the more serious point here is we should be able to switch our tactics according to the opposition and the oppositions pitch. The squad is big enough surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 I think the more serious point here is we should be able to switch our tactics according to the opposition and the oppositions pitch. The squad is big enough surely? Not sure AP was that interested last night, spent most of the game leaning on the dugout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 The Dell was a crappy pitch when the weather was bad in the middle of winter but was never used as an excuse. Not by us - but it was by the opposition on a few occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 I think the more serious point here is we should be able to switch our tactics according to the opposition and the oppositions pitch. The squad is big enough surely? Half of it is totally redundant ,AP even said we were a bit short squadwise last night...got to be taking the p*ss surely.He's signed at least 3 crocks and has no time for 5 or 6 players so what does he expect...that 20 year old lads play 50 odd games a season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 24 February, 2010 FWIW, I think Alpine makes a very good point. I appreciate this comment. Perhaps you would be so kind as to have a word with one of your colleagues (Dark Sotonic Mills) as to why he gave me an infraction for snapping back at the continual sneering I was receiving from a fellow poster who shall remain nameless.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 I feel sorry for your wife. this post is still a disgrace IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 24 February, 2010 this post is still a disgrace IMO I know, in fairness that post was so daft and offensive it was easy to brush off. Suffice to say, it wasnt him I got infracted for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 Get used to it. Other L1 teams cannot afford soopah-doopah stadia like us. As I said earlier, if we cannot adapt to these conditions, we will never get promotion. Maybe teams who visit SMS should practice on a billiard table before they come.... and get to know how flat a real pitch should be :smt033 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 this post is still a disgrace IMO I know, in fairness that post was so daft and offensive it was easy to brush off. Suffice to say, it wasnt him I got infracted for. So if it was easy to brush off it couldn't of been that offensive or indeed a disgrace, bit dramatic from you both there, as some consider you a negative poster is it so wrong to assume you may have similar trait off the web and therefore a comment such as the one made is something that would be said under many circumstances, would suggest many on here will have had it said to them in some context, whether it refers to the wife, you're kids, you're mum etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 24 February, 2010 So if it was easy to brush off it couldn't of been that offensive or indeed a disgrace, bit dramatic from you both there, as some consider you a negative poster is it so wrong to assume you may have similar trait off the web and therefore a comment such as the one made is something that would be said under many circumstances, would suggest many on here will have had it said to them in some context, whether it refers to the wife, you're kids, you're mum etc.... Complete rubbish. This was nothing more than a low blow to try to illicit an outburst from me. The post was a disgrace - you have NEVER seen anything like that from me. Just because I dont share certain people's narrow perspective of what it means to follow a football team, does not give people the right to have a go at me through my family. You have NO idea what I am like in reality. You embarass yourself by trying to justify it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 Just because I dont share certain people's narrow perspective of what it means to follow a football team, does not give people the right to have a go at me through my family. I still think you are being dramatic, its a common thing said to someone who they consider to be depressing and you perhaps are putting too much emphasis on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 People need to lay off Alpine. His opinion should be regarded the same as anyone else's, no need to get personal EVER IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 FWIW, I think Alpine makes a very good point. It's just a pity that he is so provocative with the thread title and many of his responses ! As soon as he gets involved you can be sure that reasoned debate is out of the window ! All IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 this post is still a disgrace IMO WUM's getting wound up lol! Calling someone an Aids infested boring turd is ok then DD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 Ask a local farmer if we could use his ploughed field, it wouldn't be far off Admans Park last night. Absolute cobblers, the pitch was basically flat with very few bobbles, it was just sticky in the middle, passing football was perfectly possible with a bit of nous and Wycombe dribbled through the middle despite the mud. We just didn't cope with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 I wonder if my dad meant it when he said "how did you manage that?" when i introduced him to my last girlfriend? Was it actually a low blow aimed at me trying to illicit an outburst? No probably not. I'm just too damned ugly (and a bit of a c::nt as well) to have an attractive missus is probably what he meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 I wonder if my dad meant it when he said "how did you manage that?" when i introduced him to my last girlfriend? Was it actually a low blow aimed at me trying to illicit an outburst? No probably not. I'm just too damned ugly (and a bit of a c::nt as well) to have an attractive missus is probably what he meant. Have i missed something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 What really annoys me about this thread is the basic message. I mean if Alpine were really a fan of Saints he would know that all the other teams of L1 hod carriers will be reading this message board. And as such will almost certainly now know how to get the upper hand over our team. They simply need to water the f**ck out of the pitch, then invite the local group of bonehead rugby players to prance around on it the day before the match. I see this as a real betrayal to Saints. Foreshame Alpine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 WUM's getting wound up lol! Calling someone an Aids infested boring turd is ok then DD? no...and I was warned about it..not gotten personal since Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 Have i missed something? Christ it's not that complicated. I'm poking fun at Alpine's righteous indignation at someone saying something as off the cuff as "I feel sorry for your wife" by comparing it to a situation where my old man has said something to me that i could have taken as a slur but in actual fact merely took for what it was. A lighthearted joke. The internet is serious business after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 no...and I was warned about it..not gotten personal since Maybe you should write a letter to the Daily Mail explaining how you are now a reformed character. Then another letter saying how outraged you are by something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 February, 2010 Share Posted 24 February, 2010 Maybe you should write a letter to the Daily Mail explaining how you are now a reformed character. Then another letter saying how outraged you are by something. brilliant response..rolled right off the tongue no doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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