SAFE_SAINT Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Not surprise we dropped points again- I had this as a 1-1. We simply can't play on poor pitches! It isn't good enough at all. If that game was a St. Marys we would have won it- but unfourtantly you have to play half your games away from home! WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PLAY ON POOR PITCHES AT THIS LEVEL! DEAL WITH IT!
Nineteen Canteen Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Now i'm sorry, but that comment is just ridiculous. Look at our goal difference. I agree its the service to those shooting boots that is the problem. We missed a few chances tonight but how many did we create?
Window Cleaner Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 I have been voicing concern over our central midfield for a while now and the lack of cover we have for Schneiderlin and Hammond. Feel that concern is now vindicated lose one of those two players and we lack the bite to tackle some of these teams who play with a game plan to spoil first and win second. Pitch is irrelevant IMO and same for both sides and perhaps we have to many 'light' show pony players who expect a billiard table surface at this level. Seaborne was an unnecessary purchase and we should without a shadow of a doubt bought a Central Midfielder or put Gillett and not Wotton on the bench! Still best not have Schneiderlin in the side if he gets up to "antics" eh.
maysie Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Four points in every six, or two points per game will get us into the play offs. Nothing has changed over the last few games. Not sure where the form table is but we must be up amongst it. 1 Millwall 6 5 0 1 7 2 5 15 2 Colchester 6 4 1 1 8 5 3 13 3 Swindon 6 3 3 0 14 7 7 12 4 Huddersfield 6 3 3 0 8 4 4 12 5 Norwich 6 4 0 2 8 7 1 12 6 Tranmere 6 3 2 1 7 5 2 11 7 Walsall 6 3 2 1 6 4 2 11 8 Milton Keynes Dons 6 3 1 2 8 10 -2 10 9 Leyton Orient 6 2 3 1 11 6 5 9 10 Southampton 6 2 3 1 8 5 3 9 11 Brentford 6 2 2 2 10 6 4 8 12 Wycombe 6 2 2 2 8 10 -2 8 13 Oldham 6 2 1 3 4 6 -2 7 14 Charlton 6 1 3 2 6 6 0 6 15 Leeds 6 1 3 2 7 9 -2 6 16 Stockport 6 1 3 2 5 8 -3 6 17 Gillingham 6 1 3 2 2 6 -4 6 18 Carlisle 6 1 2 3 10 9 1 5 19 Yeovil 6 1 1 4 5 7 -2 4 20 Brighton 6 0 4 2 4 6 -2 4 21 Bristol Rovers 6 1 1 4 4 11 -7 4 22 Southend 6 0 3 3 5 11 -6 3 23 Exeter 6 0 2 4 5 9 -4 2 24 Hartlepool 6 0 2 4 5 11 -6 2 Only 10th in form for last 6 games before todays game
S-Clarke Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Totally pathetic.If we can't start beating these sided we will not go up automatically next season.Not getting a cm in the January transfer window is costing us dear imho.That position must be addressed in the summer if we are going to go up next year completely spot on IMO. that's exactly where we fall short in games like this, we just don't control the midfield.
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Now i'm sorry, but that comment is just ridiculous. Look at our goal difference. How many chances do we squander to improve on that healthy goal difference ?? I agree mate and have always said we score a lot of goals but concede too many. But oh too often we seem to come away missing sitters and this costs us ?? Do you not agree ?
dune Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 I don't think pardew has what it takes anymore. If he can't get us motivated and prepared for teams and pitches like Wycombe and Exeter then he's in the wrong job.
monkadill Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Lucky to get a draw - iroinicaly if they had Lambert on a good day we would have lost 2 Nil
TopGun Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 I have been voicing concern over our central midfield for a while now and the lack of cover we have for Schneiderlin and Hammond. Feel that concern is now vindicated lose one of those two players and we lack the bite to tackle some of these teams who play with a game plan to spoil first and win second. Pitch is irrelevant IMO and same for both sides and perhaps we have to many 'light' show pony players who expect a billiard table surface at this level. Seaborne was an unnecessary purchase and we should without a shadow of a doubt bought a Central Midfielder or put Gillett and not Wotton on the bench! Seaborne is an irrelevance to tonight as he has presumably been bought for the future, cost us peanuts in the larger budget and we didn't concede tonight. I think it is more worrying that the midfield and forwards managed about four shots all night on target. Where is the inventivity against teams that press us deliberately?
explorer saint Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 We missed what 3 open goals tonight? that's why we don't win these games because we have a 1/5 chance conversion rate. Be interested to see our goals conversion rate per game with Connolly in the side against when not
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 I don't think pardew has what it takes anymore. If he can't get us motivated and prepared for teams and pitches like Wycombe and Exeter then he's in the wrong job. Are you on the board at QPR?
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 I agree its the service to those shooting boots that is the problem. We missed a few chances tonight but how many did we create? Yeah, but for that you need those so called 'show players' in the side that are creative. Tough being a manager isn't it NC ?
Tractor_Saint Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Be interested to see our goals conversion rate per game with Connolly in the side against when not Where's TTim when you need him? Probably having problems dividing by zero after tonight...
alpine_saint Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 I don't think pardew has what it takes anymore. If he can't get us motivated and prepared for teams and pitches like Wycombe and Exeter then he's in the wrong job. Steady on. Are you takin the p*ss ?
St Landrew Posted 23 February, 2010 Author Posted 23 February, 2010 Pardew is being very honest again on Kris Temple's Radio Solent interview, but honesty isn't enough. Results are what are needed. One point isn't enough, and he's knows it.
maysie Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Be interested to see our goals conversion rate per game with Connolly in the side against when not Maybe but I think it is more to do with the service. it seems whenever Morgan either does not play or does play but disappears from games we suffer. it's worrying that we need one player to be performing for the rest of the team to drive forward
TopGun Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Be interested to see our goals conversion rate per game with Connolly in the side against when not But there's no point looking at that as we all know he's a bonus player when he's fit.
Window Cleaner Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Maybe but I think it is more to do with the service. it seems whenever Morgan either does not play or does play but disappears from games we suffer. it's worrying that we need one player to be performing for the rest of the team to drive forward Above all a player who's just 20.He'll be off in the summer anyway.
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Renewed hope dashed to the floor in typical Saints fashion. Nicola won't be happy. Pardew has to find a way against defensive sides on poor pitches or we'll be stuck in League 1 for a long time. We are consistently dropping points in games like this and unless it changes we won't be anywhere near the automatic spots next year. ****ed off.
St Landrew Posted 23 February, 2010 Author Posted 23 February, 2010 I don't think pardew has what it takes anymore. If he can't get us motivated and prepared for teams and pitches like Wycombe and Exeter then he's in the wrong job. Pardew is the best available manager for Saints. Who would you suggest, and what happens when your suggestion gets caught during a sticky part of the season..?
Charlie Wayman Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 I'll stick to being that miserable old sod who said "Told you so" weeks ago that anybody thinking the play-offs were even remotely possible after that bloody awful period just after Christmas were manically delusional. At ko last Saturday we had to win 16 of 18 to even have a sniff but it is no longer 15 from 16 as all our rival contenders for that 6th spot have pulled away from us tonight. If the penny has finally dropped expect a gradual fall off in interest from now on with samller gates and so on. Mr Cortese will not be a happy man to night, not a 'appy man at all and whilst it is unlikely that Alan Pardew will get his marching orders tomorrow it is not beyond the realms of possibility either. As there is nothing left to play for with 16 games to go there is more than enough time to bed in a new manager ready for next season so that he can sort out the squad and bring in one or two of his own....
Pokerchampion Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 to all the analysts , did you have this down as one of the games we needed to win , Norwich took us for granted , the same as we did v Wycombe . Play Offs are a pipe dream nothing else , lets enjoy the rest of the season at Wembley . Next season will be ours for sure .It could be worse look at poopey
thorpie the sinner Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Not mentioned even once on sky sports, now I know why!
CHAZZA 92 Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 so frustrated at the result after a great win, to follow it up with not just a rubbish result but a rubbish performance to go with it. Got to be more consistent in remaining games.
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Above all a player who's just 20.He'll be off in the summer anyway. Indeed, our real gem by an absolute mile. I fully expect him to be a top player by the time he is 25 or so. I really think we need him to make things happen.
Charlie Wayman Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Maybe but I think it is more to do with the service. it seems whenever Morgan either does not play or does play but disappears from games we suffer. it's worrying that we need one player to be performing for the rest of the team to drive forward Pardew has been quoted as building his team around Schneiderlin. Rather too well it seems.
Liquidshokk Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 At what poiint do we actually stop talking about the playoffs? and will people just enjoy the game of football for everything that it is then and be happy with a draw?
TopGun Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Mr Cortese will not be a happy man to night, not a 'appy man at all and whilst it is unlikely that Alan Pardew will get his marching orders tomorrow it is not beyond the realms of possibility either. As there is nothing left to play for with 16 games to go there is more than enough time to bed in a new manager ready for next season so that he can sort out the squad and bring in one or two of his own.... I feel that is on the harsh side just about. AP has demonstrated he is a promotion manager in the past and he has more go about him than Burley IMO. But it is still v. disappointing.
Pokerchampion Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 I'll stick to being that miserable old sod who said "Told you so" weeks ago that anybody thinking the play-offs were even remotely possible after that bloody awful period just after Christmas were manically delusional. At ko last Saturday we had to win 16 of 18 to even have a sniff but it is no longer 15 from 16 as all our rival contenders for that 6th spot have pulled away from us tonight. If the penny has finally dropped expect a gradual fall off in interest from now on with samller gates and so on. Mr Cortese will not be a happy man to night, not a 'appy man at all and whilst it is unlikely that Alan Pardew will get his marching orders tomorrow it is not beyond the realms of possibility either. As there is nothing left to play for with 16 games to go there is more than enough time to bed in a new manager ready for next season so that he can sort out the squad and bring in one or two of his own.... A bit drastic , we dont need a new manager , yes he has bought in new players and some very good ones , how many games has his strongest team played 1 at Norwich , give the man a break , who is better qualified who would want to come to a league 1 club .
alpine_saint Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Pardew has been quoted as building his team around Schneiderlin. One of our most inconsistent and work-shy players. Superb.
alpine_saint Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 I'll stick to being that miserable old sod who said "Told you so" weeks ago that anybody thinking the play-offs were even remotely possible after that bloody awful period just after Christmas were manically delusional. At ko last Saturday we had to win 16 of 18 to even have a sniff but it is no longer 15 from 16 as all our rival contenders for that 6th spot have pulled away from us tonight. If the penny has finally dropped expect a gradual fall off in interest from now on with samller gates and so on. Mr Cortese will not be a happy man to night, not a 'appy man at all and whilst it is unlikely that Alan Pardew will get his marching orders tomorrow it is not beyond the realms of possibility either. As there is nothing left to play for with 16 games to go there is more than enough time to bed in a new manager ready for next season so that he can sort out the squad and bring in one or two of his own.... Its a somewhat extreme opinion, but not beyond the realms of possibility. Especially if attendances start dropping.
Tartarus112 Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Ok so we drew with Wycombe and while it may feel like a loss to some of you, it's not the end of our play off goal by a mile. Think of the positive thoughts we were all thinking after Norwich and what it'll be like when we win the next game. We have room enough for several draws before the end of the season and still get in the play offs. Just need to support the team so we win every game as we should be doing. I for one still think we'll go up. COYS!
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 I'll stick to being that miserable old sod who said "Told you so" weeks ago that anybody thinking the play-offs were even remotely possible after that bloody awful period just after Christmas were manically delusional. At ko last Saturday we had to win 16 of 18 to even have a sniff but it is no longer 15 from 16 as all our rival contenders for that 6th spot have pulled away from us tonight. If the penny has finally dropped expect a gradual fall off in interest from now on with samller gates and so on. Mr Cortese will not be a happy man to night, not a 'appy man at all and whilst it is unlikely that Alan Pardew will get his marching orders tomorrow it is not beyond the realms of possibility either. As there is nothing left to play for with 16 games to go there is more than enough time to bed in a new manager ready for next season so that he can sort out the squad and bring in one or two of his own.... I fully expect Pards to keep his job, it will be a travesty if he does not. This seasons league performance has been a real let down, anyone that cannot see that needs to take those rosy glasses off. That being said the man has given us a decent cup run and has built a decent team that should see us ok next year. But they need to start playing like it !!! Makes me laugh those saying 'we will win the league next year' i mean really ?? Playing like this ?? Lol
saint_stevo Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 i hope everyone commenting went to the game.....it was awful, not sure we put 3passes together throughout. The pitch was crap but really not an excuse at all, professionals should adapt. Serious lack of pace going forward. Not sure if antonio was injured but he was terrible, equalled by his replacement w****n. Why do we play long ball when we have no pace to feed off the flick ons? Davis making a wonder save earned us a point. Pathetic
SaintNeil90 Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Poor result. Disappointed. And can people stop showing the 'we nearly didn't have a club to support last august' card. Its irrelevant when you have a squad that could and should beat Wycombe after beating Norwich.
Thedelldays Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Makes me laugh those saying 'we will win the league next year' i mean really ?? Playing like this ?? Lol agree with that
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 One of our most inconsistent and work-shy players. Superb. ********. He's one of our best young players who like Lallana you seem to slag off on a regular basis. There is a clue that when he is missing the team do not play as well.
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 One of our most inconsistent and work-shy players. Superb. Second most rediculous post of the night. Go on Alps, give us a lack of footballing knowledge hat-trick. So thats Lallana and Spiderman you regard as sh*t, shall we dump Rickie ?? Davis ?
Victor Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Seaborne is an irrelevance to tonight as he has presumably been bought for the future, cost us peanuts in the larger budget and we didn't concede tonight. I think it is more worrying that the midfield and forwards managed about four shots all night on target. Where is the inventivity against teams that press us deliberately? If your creative football skills are as good as your inventivation at making up words I suggest you offer you services to Pardew. Agree about Seaborne.
hackedoff Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Someone please tell Pardew how to beat crap teams on crap pitches - soon. Pardew, you need to assemble a midfield that is competitive and capable of scoring a fair percentage of goals from the chances they get. Im afraid that in many games this season they do neither.
Arizona Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 In the car on the way back. Cold and a bit soggy. Won't be telling the grandkids about that one. Really really drab. For those who went to Swindon way back in summer. It was like that but colder and wetter. Rickie hit a great chance staight at the goalie. Lallana put another just wide of the far post. That was about it really. Lallana put a half chance in the stand. Rickie had a couple of hopeful free kicks that never really bothered the goalie. No real bad or good performances. Just a crap game really, on a very slow pitch.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Second most rediculous post of the night. Go on Alps, give us a lack of footballing knowledge hat-trick. So thats Lallana and Spiderman you regard as sh*t, shall we dump Rickie ?? Davis ? LOL
Weston Saint Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 Was that not our best team (Schneiderlin & Connolly excepted)? Did we get our tactics wrong? If so how should we have played? What would you all have done to change things? Seems so many unhappy bunnies on here I thought I would ask.
St Landrew Posted 23 February, 2010 Author Posted 23 February, 2010 At what poiint do we actually stop talking about the playoffs? and will people just enjoy the game of football for everything that it is then and be happy with a draw? That will never happen, and I'm glad of that. If we were of the ilk of Wycombe Wanderers, then perhaps we could indulge in a draw against a bigger team. But this is Southampton FC, only 5 seasons out of the Premiership. Let's have a sense of perspective, eh..? We can do a lot better. That's why this club doesn't have crowds of 4,000. It's one of those bigger clubs. It's about time we believed it.
dune Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 I can accept a bad first half, but i expect the manager to fly off the handle if need be to sort it out for the second half. We failed to win not because we weren't good enough, not because of the pitch, certainly not because Wycombe are good, BUT because our players didn't do the job they're paid to do. That is pardews fault because this is his team.
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 I'll stick to being that miserable old sod who said "Told you so" weeks ago that anybody thinking the play-offs were even remotely possible after that bloody awful period just after Christmas were manically delusional. At ko last Saturday we had to win 16 of 18 to even have a sniff but it is no longer 15 from 16 as all our rival contenders for that 6th spot have pulled away from us tonight. If the penny has finally dropped expect a gradual fall off in interest from now on with samller gates and so on. Mr Cortese will not be a happy man to night, not a 'appy man at all and whilst it is unlikely that Alan Pardew will get his marching orders tomorrow it is not beyond the realms of possibility either. As there is nothing left to play for with 16 games to go there is more than enough time to bed in a new manager ready for next season so that he can sort out the squad and bring in one or two of his own.... It would be nice to go a whole season with the same manager for a change. Changing managers each season has not worked in the past has it?
teamsaint Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 just for fun mind............. If you add back the -10, add on 4 more points that we might get if we had played 32 games , and also add a notional extra 8 that we might have got from the first 7 games when we were still buying a team we STILL would only have 60 points. Thats playoff form. Which perhaps tells us where we are. To get automatic promotion next season we have to have a big improvement from where we are now.Perhaps this will come as the team plays together more. Certainlt hope so !!
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 February, 2010 Posted 23 February, 2010 That will never happen, and I'm glad of that. If we were of the ilk of Wycombe Wanderers, then perhaps we could indulge in a draw against a bigger team. But this is Southampton FC, only 5 seasons out of the Premiership. Let's have a sense of perspective, eh..? We can do a lot better. That's why this club doesn't have crowds of 4,000. It's one of those bigger clubs. It's about time we believed it. Fair play St L i fully agree with that mate. Great post
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