BA Trolly Dollys on strike again

[Whitey Grandad]

And holiday pay?

 

It all depends on the contract of employment, I'm fairly sure.

[bridge too far]

It all depends on the contract of employment, I'm fairly sure.

 

My understanding is that EVERYONE these days is entitled to 20 days paid holiday a year as a minimum.

[GenevaSaint]

My understanding is that EVERYONE these days is entitled to 20 days paid holiday a year as a minimum.

 

Does that include bank holidays though? You are correct though BTF, 20 days minimum was implemented recently.

[bridge too far]

Does that include bank holidays though? You are correct though BTF, 20 days minimum was implemented recently.

 

I think it does include bank holidays but it's at the discretion of the employer as to whether TOIL is included.

 

My other half works shifts, gets a shift enhancement because he has to work BHs if they fall within his shift. For example he is working all over Easter and won't get time off in lieu for that.

 

However, I used to get x days holiday PLUS BHs.

[GenevaSaint]

Yes, but you're an overpaid bank worker whose employer contributed to the fiasco that has f*cked it up for everyone else. If I were you I'd keep schtum. Not many people would sympathise if overpaid parasites went on strike.

 

I'm not a parasite, I didn't cause the banking crisis, I'm just a pathetically small cog in the machine thanks! We're all entitled to opinions, mine is this strike is wrong. They have hugely different pay for people doing the same job in Gatwick and Heathrow for the same company.

 

As for the Tory jibe, you know where I come from and background. I'd never vote Tory and never would.

 

I was just pointing out, I have no recourse for pension plan changes. No opportunity to withdraw labour.

 

And not everyone at my company earns 100k+, there are thousands of people who are affected on 20 or 30k per year, far less then the BA staff.

[GenevaSaint]

You make a fair point.

 

Geneva just gets my goat when he goes on about the sacrifices he makes in his job.

 

Never voted Tory, never will, and any way I'm able to make my own decisions in life. I don't need anyone to tell me how to think or vote. Unlike union members.

 

BTW, interesting end to the Royal Mail strike. The unions basically settled for £1400 with some allowances rolled into based pay. Suddenly, the job protection line is out of the window. Bought out for a lump sum of £1400. LOL. Talk about short term thinking!

Edited 27 March, 2010 by GenevaSaint

[buctootim]

My understanding is that EVERYONE these days is entitled to 20 days paid holiday a year as a minimum.

 

Correct. That means she is er, lying, hence the 'I dont want my face shown' charade - and you should take the rest of what she said with a big pinch of salt too.

[OldNick]

My understanding is that EVERYONE these days is entitled to 20 days paid holiday a year as a minimum.

wish I was entitled, sadly self employed earn nothing during sick days and holiday/leisure time.

Strangley enough the self employed dont have many sick days. perhaps all the public services should be made self employed, that might make the sick days the Government want to reduce happen

[buctootim]

They have hugely different pay for people doing the same job in Gatwick and Heathrow for the same company.

.

 

Exactly and yet its the Heathrow staff who are strike. For what its worth the Gatwick staff generally despise the Heathrow staff. In company they are known as the FFFs (Fat, Forty and Frumpy).

[bridge too far]

wish I was entitled, sadly self employed earn nothing during sick days and holiday/leisure time.

Strangley enough the self employed dont have many sick days. perhaps all the public services should be made self employed, that might make the sick days the Government want to reduce happen

 

No doubt you price your 'non-earning' time into work you quote for. That's what most self-employed people do.

[Barney Trubble]

Exactly and yet its the Heathrow staff who are strike. For what its worth the Gatwick staff generally despise the Heathrow staff. In company they are known as the FFFs (Fat, Forty and Frumpy).

 

It's the same at most bases, that's a very accurate jibe. Heathrow tend to see themselves as the 'elite', they remind me of that Virgin ad, where all the world stops as the trolley dolleys walk through the airport - except they are mutton dressed as lamb in most cases. They really did look down their nose at other staff, I have no idea why as most of the, 'snobs without the class' as we used to call them, were all nicking the beer/small bottles of gin etc that were supposed to be given free to passengers, it's these sort that are the striking ones, on better contracts, usually number ones and usually lazy fat oafs.

 

Right, off for a night on the Marstons Smooth, then up at 7 for Wembley!!!!:smt038

[View From The Top]

wish I was entitled, sadly self employed earn nothing during sick days and holiday/leisure time.

 

You made the choice so why mither about it?

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Correct. That means she is er, lying, hence the 'I dont want my face shown' charade - and you should take the rest of what she said with a big pinch of salt too.

 

Why? What if she IS telling the truth?

[Whitey Grandad]

My understanding is that EVERYONE these days is entitled to 20 days paid holiday a year as a minimum.

 

Working time regulations (1998).. 28 days minimum paid leave, which can include public holidays.

[Trader]

No doubt you price your 'non-earning' time into work you quote for. That's what most self-employed people do.

 

Is that right?

 

I must try that - trouble is I'd price myself out of the market and not get any work at all.

 

It's tough out there.

[buctootim]

Why? What if she IS telling the truth?

 

Working time regulations (1998).. 28 days minimum paid leave, which can include public holidays.

 

Voila! BA pay four weeks holiday minimum to everyone.

[bridge too far]

Is that right?

 

I must try that - trouble is I'd price myself out of the market and not get any work at all.

 

It's tough out there.

 

Turn it on its head then. If you take time off (sick / holiday) you won't LOSE money. Most successful self-employed project their annual earnings to include time off, e.g. you might decide you need to earn £52K a year. You'll spread that £52K over 52 weeks even if you don't work 52 weeks.

 

In exactly the same way as an employed person might be paid £26K a year but only work 48 of the 52 weeks. Their cost is spread over 52 weeks.

 

Oh and I have been self-employed so I do know how it works.

[Trader]

I do like the way that in your world the self-employed earn twice as much as the employed.

[bridge too far]

I do like the way that in your world the self-employed earn twice as much as the employed.

 

Damn - you noticed my political spin

 

However, it is possible to legitimately avoid tax by paying yourself dividends instead of salary so there are advantages not available to we minions.

 

I'm pushed to think of any of my self-employed friends who are strugging to be honest - even in these 'difficult times'.

[Trader]

Oh - and there's no way I can 'project' earnings.

 

My earnings depend entirely on how much work comes in - if I don't get the work I earn nothing.

 

Simple as that.

 

There's self-employed and there's self-employed.

 

When I was a union member in the 60's and 70's I was, like most people in this country MUCH better off in real terms than I am now.

 

Before Thatcher destroyed British industry.

 

And oiks on this thread are blaming the unions.

 

Ye gods

[Whitey Grandad]

Damn - you noticed my political spin

 

However, it is possible to legitimately avoid tax by paying yourself dividends instead of salary so there are advantages not available to we minions.

 

I'm pushed to think of any of my self-employed friends who are strugging to be honest - even in these 'difficult times'.

 

You might avoid NI but you can't avoid tax. HMRC are very hot on this sort of thing these days.

[Johnny Bognor]

You might avoid NI but you can't avoid tax. HMRC are very hot on this sort of thing these days.

 

Unless you are pompey, of course.

[Wade Garrett]

Never voted Tory, never will, and any way I'm able to make my own decisions in life. I don't need anyone to tell me how to think or vote. Unlike union members.

BTW, interesting end to the Royal Mail strike. The unions basically settled for £1400 with some allowances rolled into based pay. Suddenly, the job protection line is out of the window. Bought out for a lump sum of £1400. LOL. Talk about short term thinking!

 

You seem ignorant to the democratic workings of a Trade Union. They don't tell people what to do, they do what their members tell them. Maybe if you didn't look down on people, with that myopic view you have, you would understand that.

[John B]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7078839.ece

 

I think lots of people will want to give Duncan a good kicking including me

[Wade Garrett]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7078839.ece

 

I think lots of people will want to give Duncan a good kicking including me

 

Superb, straight into the arms of the Tories. What a stupid comment, if true.

[Johnny Bognor]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7078839.ece

 

I think lots of people will want to give Duncan a good kicking including me

 

 

I thought the strike was about terms and conditions. Looks like the unions are showing their true colours.

 

Anyway enough about politics, I'm off to Wembley.......

[Thedelldays]

did FF really say that..?

 

oh dear..

[GenevaSaint]

Superb, straight into the arms of the Tories. What a stupid comment, if true.

 

Unions, gotta love em eh!

 

I'm not the only one myopic one here either Wade. Maybe you ought to try and sit on the other side of the fence and look at it from BA's perspective. And I notice you skirted round the issue of two people at different airports having vastly different pay rates. How can we ever have equality in gender pay when BA can't even pay people the same money for the same job?

[hypochondriac]

did FF really say that..?

 

oh dear..

 

Wow. Erm if true I may need to retract what I said a couple of days ago.

[dune]

I notice Duncan gets another mention in todays Mail.

[Wade Garrett]

Unions, gotta love em eh!

 

I'm not the only one myopic one here either Wade. Maybe you ought to try and sit on the other side of the fence and look at it from BA's perspective. And I notice you skirted round the issue of two people at different airports having vastly different pay rates. How can we ever have equality in gender pay when BA can't even pay people the same money for the same job?

 

I can see both points of view. In my opinion, if Walsh had a deal on the table that could stop this he is foolish to take it off the table while the airline is dying a death. The union, and members, were daft to go straight to strike action while the deal was there. Both sides need their heads banging together, but I must say it seems to me that Walsh is being the most pig-headed.

 

I don't know about the different pay in different airports, and equality in gender pay is a whole different argument.

 

I am annoyed at your perception of unions bullying their members into strike action. It is the members who vote for it (thinking for themselves when they cast their vote).

[Johnny Bognor]

I am annoyed at your perception of unions bullying their members into strike action. It is the members who vote for it (thinking for themselves when they cast their vote).

 

Unions and bullying are synonomous. Non union members who flew during the last strike were severely harassed. The union take a stance on bullying when its done by the management, but when they do it, its OK. ****ing hypocrites.

[buctootim]

BA cabin crew earn double that in other airlines.

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6957927.ece

Edited 13 April, 2010 by buctootim