Legod Third Coming Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Huddersfield could lose 7 games and still beat our 13 wins from 17! Why are we not winning 17 from 17? If we do, we're in the play-offs. It's a simple equation. Win our two games in hand and we are 11 from Huddersfield. Beat them and we're eight behind them with 14 games (42 points) to go. It's tough as tough can be but if we have aspirations to be promoted next season, why would we accept losing any more games this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 I would like to think that we have the players and the team consistency to make a good go of it. However, one thing not mentioned so far is the state of many club pitches and how it favours a style of play (not really ours TBH). Someone said that Huddersfield have 5 of the top 6 clubs to play - well that might be better for them as the pitches will be in better condition. We're having to go to places where the pitch has been ravaged by a bad winter and no funds to repair them properly, meaning a tough playing surface. This will not suit our style of play and will cause the players to tire quicker meaning more subs (possibly leading to lack of consistency). It's not going to be easy atall - lots of obstacles, but I do hope that AP and his team are ignoring what might happen and staying focussed on winning. If that's the case then we'll have the best chance we could hope for and I for one will be happy with that alone this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Why are we not winning 17 from 17? If we do, we're in the play-offs. It's a simple equation. Win our two games in hand and we are 11 from Huddersfield. Beat them and we're eight behind them with 14 games (42 points) to go. It's tough as tough can be but if we have aspirations to be promoted next season, why would we accept losing any more games this season? We wont win 17 from 17! No reason why we shouldnt but we just wont. If we do win 17 from 17 (even 15 or 16 from 17) ill never be negative again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Why don`t we all just support the team the best we all can from wherever we are (even IN glasgow and austria:D) and see where it takes. I`m sure the squad will be going all out for wins.. It is improbable that we will make it but it is possible. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 I applaud some fans continued belief that we can make the play-offs despite the top six dissapearing over the horizon. I will be happy with a JPS win, and being top of the form table over the remainder of the season. A play-off place now is all but impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 I had a go on the predictor on the BBC site and at the end of march, with us winning all our gameS and what I thought other teams may get and we were in the play offs!!! Got bored after that. COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 I would like to think that we have the players and the team consistency to make a good go of it. However, one thing not mentioned so far is the state of many club pitches and how it favours a style of play (not really ours TBH). Someone said that Huddersfield have 5 of the top 6 clubs to play - well that might be better for them as the pitches will be in better condition. We're having to go to places where the pitch has been ravaged by a bad winter and no funds to repair them properly, meaning a tough playing surface. This will not suit our style of play and will cause the players to tire quicker meaning more subs (possibly leading to lack of consistency). It's not going to be easy atall - lots of obstacles, but I do hope that AP and his team are ignoring what might happen and staying focussed on winning. If that's the case then we'll have the best chance we could hope for and I for one will be happy with that alone this season. We have 10 home games after Tuesday, so away games are not such a factor as if we had 10 away games still to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockportsaint Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 As far as I can see, no-one has yet addressed the issue of what happens if P*mpey go bust and are kicked out of the football league, and everyone shuffles up 1 place. As I understand it, if they are liquidated before the end of the season, then only 2 further Prem teams will be relegated to the Championship, meaning that when 3 teams go up to the Prem, there will be an extra place in the Championship to fill. Now either only 2 teams will get relegated from the CCC, or, more likely IMHO, 4 teams will get promoted from League 1. The likeliest way to do this would be top 3 automatic and 4-7 playoff, as per League 2, unless they decide to have the winners of the 2 playoff semis promoted, but that would mean no Wembley final, and I can't see that happening. If P*mpey get booted to the Blue Square Premier, then presumably there will also be 3 promotions from the BSP to League 2, and 5 promotions from League 2 to League 1. If all the above comes to pass, then 7th would be enough for us to make the playoffs, which, if we won them from 7th, would mean that P*mpey would have helped us get promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 We have the players, but I think it is a massive ask. I think unfortunately my pre season prediction of 8th will be about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamRed Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Unlikely but very possible. We'd need to win 13 as you say. Which, if we're honest, is 4 mildly disappointing results. If we win the next few, perhaps the players will start to believe we can do it. one word: momentum. If we get on a winning run, I think we'll be very difficult to stop. I can see us sneaking into the play of on the final day of the season. It's written in the stars that AP will have to return to Charlton, where we'll knock them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 We wont win 17 from 17! No reason why we shouldnt but we just wont. If we do win 17 from 17 (even 15 or 16 from 17) ill never be negative again! Even 15 is probably enough. It's not about the gap, it's about the fixtures. It just happens that we have a decent run-in. We've played Norwich twice now. We've played Colchester twice. We've still to play: Leeds at home Swindon at home Huddersfield at home MK Dons away Bristol away. Many of those teams also have to play each other. It is tough, really really tough. But after Saturday we should have the confidence to believe it is possible. If we don't do it, I will accept the result as long as we give/gave it a really good go. But it is far from over with 51 points to play for!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 78 points on goal difference is my prediction for the team that will reach 6th place. We can do it with 13 wins, 2 draws and 2 loses. One of those wins needs to be against Hudderfield and ideally Swindon. I think we'll come up a little bit short but on a streak that will see us automatically promoted in 2010/11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 I hope I'm wrong, but I've said from the start we will just miss out. But if we can win the games in hand & beat Huddersfield at home, then they will suddenly be looking over their shoulders & who knows what could happen. A little pressure on the teams above & you never know. I don't expect it but would be more than happy to be wrong. Its a big week if we can get another 2 wins at Wycombe & home to Walsall then back it up with beating Huddersfield then it may start to look realistic, I think we will know how realistic after the Leeds & the Swindon game by 9.45pm 13th March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningtonCrescent Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Be nice to win the JPT for 2 consecutive years as well You just want a trip to Wembley next year, as you can't make it this season! :wink: Make sure you don't book any trips away at the end of March or May 2011, just in case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 I refuse to look to the play-offs now. While my heart still reckons we can get there, my head thinks otherwise. I'm just taking each game as it comes. An unbeaten run with the belief that yesterday's game would have instilled in the squad is what we need, unbeaten in 2010 would do. It's almost out of our hands though, we would also need a capitulation by one of the current play-off contenders. Oh how sweet it would be to snatch one of those spots though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 I hope I'm wrong, but I've said from the start we will just miss out. But if we can win the games in hand & beat Huddersfield at home, then they will suddenly be looking over their shoulders & who knows what could happen. A little pressure on the teams above & you never know. I don't expect it but would be more than happy to be wrong. Its a big week if we can get another 2 wins at Wycombe & home to Walsall then back it up with beating Huddersfield then it may start to look realistic, I think we will know how realistic after the Leeds & the Swindon game by 9.45pm 13th March. By my reckoning it's actually by the 23rd we will know how realistic the chance is. We then have a problem as we don't play until the 5th April and many of the teams above us will have played twice (while we compete in the JPT). This means that come the 5th April the gap could be 12 points again, but we will again have two games in hand... The way the fixtures fall favours us (in terms of who we play) but always makes the gap a potential 6 points more than it could be. If, for example, we were 11 points off Huddersfield right now, with 15 games to play would people feel the gap was so impregnable?? And if the gap were eight points on Tuesday evening?? Because it could be, but that's just bad luck with fixtures or rather our good luck at having two decent cup runs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 I can't see us doing it tbh, it is just too late in the day. After the pompey loss i wished we would have a revival and come out strong and i am so over the moon about that. Is it still possible ?? Yeah it probably is but realistically are we going to get 14-15 wins out of 17 that in my mind is required ??? If we do then fantastic, but our poor form in the last 10 or so games is going to haunt us. Now is the time for a fantastic end to the season, a cup win and preparation to march on the league next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 I can't see us doing it tbh, it is just too late in the day. After the pompey loss i wished we would have a revival and come out strong and i am so over the moon about that. Is it still possible ?? Yeah it probably is but realistically are we going to get 14-15 wins out of 17 that in my mind is required ??? If we do then fantastic, but our poor form in the last 10 or so games is going to haunt us. Now is the time for a fantastic end to the season, a cup win and preparation to march on the league next year. Bear in mind when you think like this that... Other teams have to go to Leeds and Colchester where we lost. Norwich lost 2-1 at Millwall where we drew - Leeds lost there as did Colchester... Brentford drew 0-0 with Leeds at home and beat Colchester 1-0, and Norwich 2-1... A lot has been made of our 'poor' form. We'll see when other teams have to play the fixtures we've had to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Bear in mind when you think like this that... Other teams have to go to Leeds and Colchester where we lost. Norwich lost 2-1 at Millwall where we drew - Leeds lost there as did Colchester... Brentford drew 0-0 with Leeds at home and beat Colchester 1-0, and Norwich 2-1... A lot has been made of our 'poor' form. We'll see when other teams have to play the fixtures we've had to... True but we all know how well this team fires when it gets things right. I have seen us play MK Dons off the park and by all accounts we have made Norwich look very very average yesterday. It is a shame, but we have dropped points that we really should have been picking up. Norwich are (in the league) the only top 6 team we have beaten this season and tbh for all our ambition we should be doing better. But, i do see your point, just think the chance has passed us by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's There Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Our Competitors: GamesTo Play (Tried in excel but came out a mess) Interesting, Leeds have to play all of them, plus ourselves of course! HUDDERSFIELD Tranmere A Leeds H Southampton A Gillingham A Norwich H Leyton O A Charlton H Wycombe A Oldham H Brentford A Walsall H Millwall H Stockport A Colchester H Exeter A MILLWALL MK Dons A Hartlepool H Walsall A Carlisle A Charlton H Leeds A Stockport H Brentford H Colchester A Gillingham H Yeovil Town A Huddersfield A Leyton O H Tranmere A Swindon SWINDON Stockport H Leyton O A Bristol R H MK Dons A Brighton A Southampton A Norwich H Hartlepool A Leeds A Tranmere H Colchester A Exeter H Walsall H Wycombe A Brentford H Millwall A MKDONS Millwall H Yeovil Town A Leyton O H Swindon H Brentford A Southampton H Gillingham A Charlton H Bristol R A Norwich A Oldham H Wycombe H Leeds A Brighton H Walsall A I still think we're in with a chance...but must get the momentum by winning next 2 this week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polegategavin Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Yep the season started Jan 1st 2010. You'll need to debate that with NickG as he is convinced the league starts after your 1st win. Would anyone have believed on the day that Leeds beat Man Utd in the FA Cup that they would then go on a run of 1 win in their next 8 league games, but that is where they find themselves today (after the Brighton game). The pressure builds as the season enters the final third of the season. Strange results start to occur, i.e. Wycombe beating Millwall, Stockport beating Exeter away (first league win since October!). If Saints can go on an exceptional run of form, which wouldn't be too surprising considering our form is 11 wins from our last 19 league games, with a changing team, and in AP's words on friday, for the first time for 4 or 5 weeks the ability to now play his best 11 every game. If we can win our next 4 matches then I firmly believe the pressure will build on the teams in 5th to 8th position, as we will be close behind them. Tuesday - MK Dons v Millwall Saturday - Huddersfield v Leeds Tuesday 2nd - Saints v Huddersfield Saturday 6th - Walsall v Millwall Tuesday 9th - MK Dons v Swindon These are in the next 4 match days. So as you can see these teams can take points off one another, so they can't all win every game, and then they will be playing teams fighting for their survival. Let's just see what happens, but I still think we have a chance if we go on a strong run of form from now 'til the end of the season. Draws will be very hurtful from now on, it does require us to win 2 out of every 3 games from now on, this would give us 11 wins , if we then drew 5 of the other 6 games this would give us a further 38 points and 75 points for the season. This will be extremely close to the play offs, and could yet sneak in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 True but we all know how well this team fires when it gets things right. I have seen us play MK Dons off the park and by all accounts we have made Norwich look very very average yesterday. It is a shame, but we have dropped points that we really should have been picking up. Norwich are (in the league) the only top 6 team we have beaten this season and tbh for all our ambition we should be doing better. But, i do see your point, just think the chance has passed us by. Our problem is not recent form (save maybe for a draw at Exeter which you could say was our one bad result) it is the first ten games of the season where we dropped at least 15-20 points on Charlton, Leeds and Norwich - and 10-12 on those in the play-off positions. The reasons for this are well documented... But the gap opened then, not recently. Recently, we've just been the victim of bad timing! True, we might aspire to better results at Milwall and Brentford and the truth is that we did enough to win both. Barnard fluffed his lines at the latter, the defence fecked up at the former!!! We'll see how we get on now we can have a settled side and with our new players now coming into form. We might miss out, but I think we're capable on our day of killing anyone in this league. As Pardew said, it's not about what formation we play or what players, it's about our state of mind!! And we MUST believe it's possible. Miss out trying fine. You know what they say: It is not setting our standards too high and failing to reach them, but setting them too low and hitting them which is our tragedy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 ask me in 10 games if we can make the play offs.....my answer will (sadly) still be the same. we will not win 15, 16 or 17 games from 17 and to make the playoffs that is whats required. Awful start + extended poor run since december + minus 10 = not going to happen. Like others have said, a good finish to this year + JPT cup and I will be content. Next season = BIG pressure + no more excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Unlikely because - Won 1 game against top 6 side all season! Win ratio close to 1:3 Arsenal could win the prem this year without beating Liverpool, Man U or Chelsea. Next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Even with two and three games in hand over other teams, the gap is just a bit too much. It's possible for us to go on an extended winning streak; but we would also need one of the play-off contenders to have an extended slump. The likelihood of both things happening is low. Ergo, unfortunately, it's a pipe dream. I think I side with HS on this one. It's just a step too far as far as I can see. It would be bloody brilliant to be wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 (edited) ask me in 10 games if we can make the play offs.....my answer will (sadly) still be the same. we will not win 15, 16 or 17 games from 17 and to make the playoffs that is whats required. Awful start + extended poor run since december + minus 10 = not going to happen. Like others have said, a good finish to this year + JPT cup and I will be content. Next season = BIG pressure + no more excuses. We have not had a poor run since December. Our form since the beginning of December in all competitions is as follows: WWWWLWWDWWDWDWLW Now, you might say those draws are poor. I proved above they are BETTER results than achieved by the top clubs (with the exception of Exeter which you might say was poor - although of course they beat Leeds and drew with Norwich and Swindon...). So whatever else you say, cut the poor form since December nonsense because that's what it is. You could say take out the cup games, but what were we supposed to do, lose them?? And you would have been the first to moan!!! We lost the gap in the first ten games of the season, not recently. Edited 21 February, 2010 by Legod Third Coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Arsenal could win the prem this year without beating Liverpool, Man U or Chelsea. Next. but they simply will not about the playoffs..IF (imo) we are within 10 points of 6th place with 10 games to go...we sure have a chance. I just think the dropped points at exeter, brentford and millwall will cost us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 We have not had a poor run since December. Our form since the beginning of December in all competitions is as follows: WWWWLWWDWWDWDWLW Now, you might say those draws are poor. I proved above they are BETTER results than achieved by the top clubs (with the exception of Exeter which you might say was poor - although of course they beat Leeds and drew with Norwich and Swindon...). So whatever else you say, cut the poor form since December nonsense because that's what it is. You could say take out the cup games, but what were we supposed to do, lose them?? And you would have been the first to moan!!! We lost the gap in the first ten games of the season, not recently. Since this thread is to discuss our playoff aspirations its standard to look at our league form and not include the tin pot cup results. Since Mid December our form is LWLDDWDW thats 10 points from a possible 24! Thats poor in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 but they simply will not about the playoffs..IF (imo) we are within 10 points of 6th place with 10 games to go...we sure have a chance. I just think the dropped points at exeter, brentford and millwall will cost us Depends what results our competitors get there DD. It all comes down to what we do from now on in my view. Win 17, those draws are academic... will we... I have a sneaking feeling you know... our manager has a point to prove! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 (edited) Since this thread is to discuss our playoff aspirations its standard to look at our league form and not include the tin pot cup results. Since Mid December our form is LWLDDWDW thats 10 points from a possible 24! Thats poor in my book. Include all of December then... or does that not suit your downer on Saints agenda? The form is based on who/where we played isn't it - most of those games were away from home, and included away games at mainly top half, top six teams - Leeds, Colchester, Millwall, Brentford where we performed the same or better than most other top six teams... and Norwich! Just checked and 6 of our last 8 games have been away from home...!! Edited 21 February, 2010 by Legod Third Coming Checking facts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Include all of December then... or does that not suit your downer on Saints agenda? The form is based on who/where we played isn't it - most of those games were away from home, and included away games at mainly top half, top six teams - Leeds, Colchester, Millwall, Brentford where we performed the same or better than most other top six teams... and Norwich! Just checked and 6 of our last 8 games have been away from home...!! So you agree - the 8 games since mid december was/is a poor period? So thats the 1st 10 league games 9 points from 30 plus 8 games since December 10 points from 24 + minus 10 Thats why we wont make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 So you agree - the 8 games since mid december was/is a poor period? So thats the 1st 10 league games 9 points from 30 plus 8 games since December 10 points from 24 + minus 10 Thats why we wont make it. "That's why we won't make it"... "That's why we won't beat Norwich...." Christ you're a miserable fecker. Still, thankfully you have all the foresight of Stevie Wonder so I'm content to see how we get on with 17 games and 51 points to play for... For the record, the first ten games resulted in a poor return. Why? We all know why... the next ten games are far more interesting to me as we start to finish the building job. No-one is impressed by foundations... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 21 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Glasgow Saint, Yet again you are comparing a Saints sides from earlier in the season that will be unlikely to play again with that of the current starting 11. Completely illogical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Glasgow Saint, Yet again you are comparing a Saints sides from earlier in the season that will be unlikely to play again with that of the current starting 11. Completely illogical. Same manager, same coaching staff, same preperations, same tactics + a couple of different players. Not much has changed since mid december (form has been poor) what makes you think we can go from getting 9 points from 21 (up to Norwich) then suddenly win 14,15,16 or 17 on the bounce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vince Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 For the sake of this discussion, current form is immeterial. To make the PO, we need to substantially outperform - win around (or more) than 15 of our games remaining, plus we need a drastic drop in form of at least 2 or 3 of the sides from 4th to 8th place - it's not just Huddersfield we need to beat, it's them, Millwall, MK Dons, Brizzle etc as well. I don't think we'll do it, but it is interesting looking at the teams in 3rd to 8th and seeing who they are playing and where out of the top 8 sides from now until the end of the season. Huddersfield for example, play top 8 sides 5 times, all at home, whereas Swindon play top 8 sides 6 times, 2 at home, 4 away, and both of them play us at SMS. One game at a time. And injuries and suspensions will start to take their toll now too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Include all of December then... or does that not suit your downer on Saints agenda? The form is based on who/where we played isn't it - most of those games were away from home, and included away games at mainly top half, top six teams - Leeds, Colchester, Millwall, Brentford where we performed the same or better than most other top six teams... and Norwich! Just checked and 6 of our last 8 games have been away from home...!! Put him on ignore. It's amazing how he will manipulate stats to draw the maximum amount of negativity. He really is a miserable s*d! Why does he bother to follow this club if all he can see is the negative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 21 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Same manager, same coaching staff, same preperations, same tactics + a couple of different players. Not much has changed since mid december Since December... Fonte Seaborne/Jaidi Otsemobor = a new back four when added to Harding Puncheon in midfield and Barnard upfront That is 5 new players! 45% change in personal in the 1st choice 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 The problem we have now is that the top six are getting closer and closer to each other and I think that will mean 6th place will end up with a higher no. of points this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Put him on ignore. It's amazing how he will manipulate stats to draw the maximum amount of negativity. He really is a miserable s*d! Why does he bother to follow this club if all he can see is the negative? I do like to manipulate stats - who doesnt? If we win the next 17 games, I will struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 I think the game on Tuesday is going to be tough. They are just finding a bit of form, and any team we play away against that is fighting for survival is going to be tough, and at home against any of these teams are going to be hard to breakdown. I think games against teams fighting for their lives get harder the later in the season we get. We will lose some games but have the feeling they will be against teams we expect to win against. Like Brighton at home, and that is just football!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 All my friends are Brighton fans and they say they are gash at home. Yeovil, Gillingham, Tranmere and Wycombe are easily winnable and MKDonalds and Bristol Rovers weve already won away before this season. All home games are winnable. You never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Put him on ignore. It's amazing how he will manipulate stats to draw the maximum amount of negativity. He really is a miserable s*d! Why does he bother to follow this club if all he can see is the negative? Since December... Fonte Seaborne/Jaidi Otsemobor = a new back four when added to Harding Puncheon in midfield and Barnard upfront That is 5 new players! 45% change in personal in the 1st choice 11. Woo woo woo - now whose manipulating the stats - 45% change but you are including Harding??? (joined in July) and Jaidi??? (Joined Sept) I accept Fonte and Semi + Puncheon and Barnard but thats a 36% change NOT 45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Put him on ignore. It's amazing how he will manipulate stats to draw the maximum amount of negativity. He really is a miserable s*d! Why does he bother to follow this club if all he can see is the negative? No, it is my destiny in life to work with the hard of thinking and hard of optimism... we all have our cross to bear!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 No, it is my destiny in life to work with the hard of thinking and hard of optimism... we all have our cross to bear!! Thats the spirit - so many 'claim' to have me on ignore, I need people like you that like a challenge! Infact I think you're maybe the only one who can read this.....whoops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Thats the spirit - so many 'claim' to have me on ignore, I need people like you that like a challenge! Infact I think you're maybe the only one who can read this.....whoops Trouble is my friend, I know that you wish with all your heart that we win our games - all of them - and that you would be ecstatic if we make the play-offs. But in your life you have had a let down - several maybe - and you cannot show emotion publically lest you are disappointed again... Your secret is safe with me. Oh, and that's £160 for the therapy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 We wont win 17 from 17! No reason why we shouldnt but we just wont. If we do win 17 from 17 (even 15 or 16 from 17) ill never be negative again! won't beat Norwich away either.....doh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smarmy Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 8 games since December 10 points from 24 3 wins and 3 draws = 12 points, not 10 HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 not include the tin pot cup results. On the one hand you call it 'The Tin Pot cup' and on the other you say you will be content to win it. The fact is it may be the least prestigious trophy to win and quite rightly so but to call it Tin Pot just smacks of a lack of respect and someone talking utter gutter trash. I saw you said on another thread you may go to the final and I say why bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 It's certainly possible with 12 points to play with but on balance you would have to say it's not probable. People sight the fact our record against teams in the top 10 is poor but the way the team shaped yesterday you could easily argue that is now a meaningless statistic and if we were 10 games into the season we would have an excellent chance of promotion. I would consider our biggest obstacle to promotion is our fixture congestion as we near the 28th March the obvious focus on the JPT and the resultant hangover. Pardew has admitted his focus has been on the cups this season and will badly want to win and be vindicated and sub-consciously or otherwise it may have an impact on how he approaches the league games nearer to the final not to mention players who may play in league games with one eye focused on protecting their fitness as much as winning. Surely, that is only human for players likely in some cases to have a chance to play at Wembley for their first and may be only time. The occassion will potentially take the wind out of our sails as it did with Leeds with their high profile success in the FA Cup. We have an easy looking run in but playing teams at this time of year battling for their survival is as difficult as playing the teams you are in direct competition with as Wycombe proved against Millwall yesterday. Ideally we want to be playing teams who have little or no hope of having anything to play for and at the moment I can only see about 6 of the last 17 games being against such opposition. Saying we will beat the likes of Southend, Gillingham, Wycombe, Brighton Hartlepool and Tranmere is a huge assumption as at this stage league position does not equate to the survival instinct that kicks in an instinct that we know all too well from our successful battles in the past. Personally, the most winnable games will be against the likes of Leeds, Charlton, Swindon and Huddersfield as the expectation on Saints will perhaps be a little less and when teams try to play against us we are usually their superior. In a somewhat peverse conclusion perhaps the ease of our run in and the morale booster of a Wembley final may well see us just miss on a play off place. If that is the case and we finish around 8th on c.70pts that is hardly a disgrace and one hell of a foundation to win the title from next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 yep the season started jan 1st 2010. You'll need to debate that with nickg as he is convinced the league starts after your 1st win. excellent..........here we go again....... last post to glasgow on this (as its like debating with my kids!) we started on -10 points. In july we were still in administration (think it was around 8th that markus bought us) pardew was appointed 17th july we didn't have an assistant manager until 31st july we didn't have chief scout until 1st august we didn't sign lambert until 10th august. We didn't sign hammond, waigo, barnard, jaidi, seaborn or connolly until later. We didn't have 1st team coach until 7th september the season started on 8th august. Pardew inherited a club with total negaitve attitude and no confidence, used to losing. We started very badly for the first 10 games. You may feel this was pardew's fault and he should of sorted things out more quickly. I was surprised and disappointed that we did start as slowly as we did but do understand the reasons. The 10 games is a notional figure, looking at when the "excuses" above should have less effect, and when it was clear to anyone watching saints that pardew had addressed a lot of problems and we had turned a corner. There have been two clear parts to our season, personally i do not feel the need to keep beating pardew up over the first 10 games, although those may cost us our league season, as he has shown significant improvement (roughly going from 1 point per game to 2). Since then, and for a considerable time our form has been fairly steady. So, the team (including backroom staff) that pardew has built has, for 18 games (a good proportion of the season) achieved 2 points per game. We have recently further strengthened the team so pardew should be looking at at least maintaining this, if not improving it. If he does that is just about automatic promotion form for the season. After the -10, and particularly the slow start, pardew has not once said he expected, or thought we were in the race for, promotion. Cortesse has not spoken with the echo. Cortesse's quote to the radio which has been over analysed was; when asked by reporter for his thoughts on week ahead he said - "that whilst a trip to wembley and progress in fa cup are nice things to have the reason for serious investment in the team is about getting into the league one play offs its our top priority, the latest league results have not been satisfactory against that objective and he looks forward to the team getting back to winning says against norwich on saturday. " the last few weeks there have been some disappointing points dropped, and some performances below what we would hope for. However the constant criticising of pardew is, imho, ott. The questions i would ask are; is it still relevant to moan and criticise the return from the first 10 games as there has been a clear improvement since then? Do you think 2 points per game is a decent return? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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