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Thedelldays

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Listening to the radio this morning on the way to work..and as usual, the journos were disecting everything to do with the England Football Team.

 

they were all creaming themselves about Owen and how he MUST go to the World Cup with England.. They say he is the best and most natural finisher we have.

 

IMO. Owen is past it...waaaay past it..how on earth can he or anyone be taken seriously when they want him to be included into the world cup squad.

 

thank god Capello is not that daft

Thedelldays

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If England have chance to score in the last minute of an important world cup game i know who i'd rather have playing and it wouldn't be Defoe, Bent, Carlton Cole, Heskey.....etc

 

 

Rooney is your man

Or Gerrard

Or Lampard

 

all better scorers now than owen

Andy_Porter

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Owen > Heskey

 

That's ridiculous, if we drop Heskey and start Owen we would basically have to change our whole style of play to fit in some little scouse injury prone midget who's best days are long behind him.

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what is an out and out striker...why isnt rooney now one of these..?

 

He quite clearly is, probably the most complete striker in the world atm. Been doing it all upfront on his own for the most part, I'd imagine that will give Capello a few ideas in the friendlies.

 

A midfield of Milner - Gerrard - Barry - Lampard - Lennon with Rooney alone upfront could be devestating.

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He would be a good substitute. Like AndyNorthernSaints said if we had a chance to score in the last minute I'd rather have Owen on the pitch than Defoe, Crouch ect.

 

He scored a hat-trick against Wolfsburg away from home so he has obviously got goals in him. Only he isn't consistent enough and isn't getting enough game's.

 

I probably wouldn't want him to go to South Africa if he doesn't pick up a bit and consistently plays well.

RedAndWhite91

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That's ridiculous, if we drop Heskey and start Owen we would basically have to change our whole style of play to fit in some little scouse injury prone midget who's best days are long behind him.

 

Owen is a better striker than Heskey and that's what I'm getting at. Heskey is good at the hold up role behind the front man, but if we disregard that then Heskey has no place in the team really.

Thedelldays

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Owen is a better striker than Heskey and that's what I'm getting at. Heskey is good at the hold up role behind the front man, but if we disregard that then Heskey has no place in the team really.

to be honest..I dont think we will play heskey..rooney is showing now that he is the best target man/all round striker around...certainly by a mile for England

 

I reckon Rooney will play up front on his own with gerrard behind him

AndyNorthernSaints

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Rooney is your man

Or Gerrard

Or Lampard

 

all better scorers now than owen

 

I didn't mention Rooney as its obvious that he is an automatic choice and Englands best player. I said Owen is a much better finisher at international level than others who have been mentioned or picked to play with Rooney.

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If he's match fit I don't see why he shouldn't be in the squad as an impact player. His injuries have really f*cked up his fitness though, so he may well pick up an injury between now and the WC when he could be ruled out for a while.

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Owen isn't quite past it, but he has lost that vital yard or two. He is no longer the jack-in-a-box footballer that made him so dangerous, when he was 18-25. As for being a natural finisher, no I don't think so. He has never possessed that commodity of being-in-the-right-place-at-the-right-time, like Gary Lineker or Jimmy Greaves had in spades. It was his acceleration over the first couple of yards that made him super-special. Without that, he's not the same player. However, he has adapted his play, and surrounded by quality players, who give him that extra bit of time, he can perform. I don't think he has enough left of what England needs though.

sambosa75

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There is nothing Owen can offer that Jermaine Defoe doesnt surpass him in now. Our 4 strikers have to be Rooney, Defoe, Crouch and Carlton Cole IMHO. They all offer totally different things and there are some decent potential partnerships among them.

sambosa75

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Two words. Bobby Zamora

 

Another two words; Michael Ricketts.

 

I'm sorry but he is not international class. Hard worker, in good form for his club and scored a cracking goal last week but would you trust him 1-on-1 with Buffon in a world cup semi-final?

St Landrew

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Another two words; Michael Ricketts.

 

I'm sorry but he is not international class. Hard worker, in good form for his club and scored a cracking goal last week but would you trust him 1-on-1 with Buffon in a world cup semi-final?

 

I wouldn't trust any on them, in that scenario, save possibly Rooney. All the players of the England team profess to having a coolness about them. But give them a penalty shootout to contend with, or a 1-on-1 and they fall to bits.

 

I noticed MLT's name being mentioned a lot, in connection with penalty training. the other day.

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Barney Trubble

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He's always been a big game player. He seems to up his game when the pressure is on. I'd take him, he's proven and although his timing isn't as good as it should be I think that given a regular run in a top side, he'd bag plenty of goals.

 

There is no way on gods earth that the likes of Bent should be ahead of him.

 

Then again, he's just got injured again, that's the risk you take with him.

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Can't believe you English are wetting yourself over this. Knocked out at group stages whoever goes.

 

Even if we do get knocked out in the group stages, at least we got there! :D

St Landrew

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Owen has just scored in the Carling Cup. Good goal, well taken. Past it? I personally don't think so.

 

Hamstring injury about 20 minutes later. Care to revise your opinion..? :)

RedAndWhite91

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Hamstring injury about 20 minutes later. Care to revise your opinion..? :)

 

I commented on the injury a few posts up there ^... I still stick with my original opinion, match fit he could do a job, but yeah, good point :)

AndyNorthernSaints

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There is nothing Owen can offer that Jermaine Defoe doesnt surpass him in now. Our 4 strikers have to be Rooney, Defoe, Crouch and Carlton Cole IMHO. They all offer totally different things and there are some decent potential partnerships among them.

 

If England (as often happens) end up in a penalty shoot out, i would definately want Owen taking one before Defoe who doesn't seem to have the bottle to take pens in domestic football let alone international footabll.

Thedelldays

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I commented on the injury a few posts up there ^... I still stick with my original opinion, match fit he could do a job, but yeah, good point :)

that is like saying "if ormerod was good, he could go to the world cup"

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If England (as often happens) end up in a penalty shoot out, i would definately want Owen taking one before Defoe who doesn't seem to have the bottle to take pens in domestic football let alone international footabll.

 

Have you seen Owen's penalty record? It's cack.

sadoldgit

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what is an out and out striker...why isnt rooney now one of these..?

 

That would be someone who just strikes, like Owen or Lineker. Rooney is playing well as striker at the moment but will he be played there are deeper (or wider) for England?

Thedelldays

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Owen has taken part in two penalty shoot outs for England 1998 v Argentina and 2004 v Portugal. He scored his penalty on both ocassions.

on that basis..i would take him

Andy_Porter

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Owen is a big game player. If we take 5 strikers he should be one of them.

 

Have a sneaky suspicion if he can get fit, Capello will pick him.

 

We won't take five strikers, Owen isn't a big game player and Capello wouldn't pick him.

 

I don't know what the obsession with the little scouse midget is, he's been cack for about five seasons.

 

I was actually quite glad to see him get injured so now the press won't keep banging on about him going to South Africa, we will be a lot stronger without him.

 

Rooney, Heskey, Crouch and Defoe. Walcott will probably go as well if we take Brown as he takes away the need for a fourth centre back.

sadoldgit

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Shame about Owen. Still one of our best natural finishers who has proved time and again that he can score against the best. Still, at least we have Heskey :(

Thedelldays

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Shame about Owen. Still one of our best natural finishers who has proved time and again that he can score against the best. Still, at least we have Heskey :(

not anymore he hasnt..maybe 3 years ago..but he has been living on past glories for a while, with the very odd flash of being good

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Shame about Owen. Still one of our best natural finishers who has proved time and again that he can score against the best. Still, at least we have Heskey :(

 

When was the last time he scored against a top class side? aside from a decent hat-trick against Wolfsberg he hasn't scored against a top 4 side since he left Liverpool.

 

Gets the odd goal against the likes of West Ham, Everton, Sunderland etc. He's not even half the striker he was.

 

I would much rather have Emile Heskey in the England side. Even if Owen was 100% fit I'd still rather take Heskey, Rooney, Cole, Crouch, Defoe, Bent and Agbonglahor, Owen if past it.

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not anymore he hasnt..maybe 3 years ago..but he has been living on past glories for a while, with the very odd flash of being good

 

Indeed, I don't understand why the press and fans in this country are so hung up on Michael Owen.

 

Strikers in his mould just aren't effective at the top level anymore.

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When was the last time he scored against a top class side? aside from a decent hat-trick against Wolfsberg he hasn't scored against a top 4 side since he left Liverpool.

 

Gets the odd goal against the likes of West Ham, Everton, Sunderland etc. He's not even half the striker he was.

 

I would much rather have Emile Heskey in the England side. Even if Owen was 100% fit I'd still rather take Heskey, Rooney, Cole, Crouch, Defoe, Bent and Agbonglahor, Owen if past it.

 

Wembley v Villa recently.

 

Rooney is the only class striker you have mentioned there.

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