NickG Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Southgate, this season at Middlesbrough W7 D3 L5 24 points from 15 games, sacked when 4th, 2 points from automatic promotion Strachan since has had W5 D5 L8 20 points from 18 games, dropping them to 9th, 4 points from play offs Got to feel for Southgate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Frankly, it was a miracle for Southgate that he retained his job for as long as he did. Nonetheless, what a shocking lack of conviction by the Boro' board, he should have had at least a season to turn it around, although the fans had well and truly turned against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Steve Gibson showed a great deal of loyalty to Southgate for several seasons. The timing may have been odd, but Middlesbrough were never actually going to go anywhere under Southgate. I doubt they be any better under WGS, until he gets everything sorted for the long term. There is also the thought that Middlesbrough are actually at the level which befits them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 21 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 21 February, 2010 surprised though as see WGS as impact manager, rather than logner term and thought he would improve things. They were only 2 points from promotion when he took over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Southgate, this season at Middlesbrough W7 D3 L5 24 points from 15 games, sacked when 4th, 2 points from automatic promotion Strachan since has had W5 D5 L8 20 points from 18 games, dropping them to 9th, 4 points from play offs Got to feel for Southgate. This would be the same Gareth Southgate who had three complete seasons (yes, the "give them time give them time Lawrie Mac etc etc" longevity never fails theory) with Boro where they got worse and worse and worse and then were relegated. Despite what the "give them time" brigade like to think Southgate didn't look like turning into Alex Ferguson any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Southgate, this season at Middlesbrough W7 D3 L5 24 points from 15 games, sacked when 4th, 2 points from automatic promotion Strachan since has had W5 D5 L8 20 points from 18 games, dropping them to 9th, 4 points from play offs Got to feel for Southgate. did WGS have a pre season...we need to know this as if he never. then might as well give up on this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 21 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 21 February, 2010 your arguments are so pathetic they are self defeating, think about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Middlesboro will never go anywhere with anyone. They have a small fan base and are geographically disadvantaged (to put it politely). Their correct level is in the Championship. Luckily for them, they have a very good senior management who will ensure they don't overstretch themselves and get ruined. They will probably get promoted again at some point and then relegated after a year or two. It'll be a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 your arguments are so pathetic they are self defeating, think about it it is true...how come we cant expect much after no pre season but you look into WGS results after he has been in less time than pardew WGS has alot of (and has done a lot of) wheeling and dealing to do there will be players at boro who dont want to be there...remember what it was like when we went down..even our star keeper leg it over money for a few days. how you can post such things about results then on the other board champion poor results....when BOTH managers have had NO pre season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 21 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Southgate, this season at Middlesbrough W7 D3 L5 24 points from 15 games, sacked when 4th, 2 points from automatic promotion Strachan since has had W5 D5 L8 20 points from 18 games, dropping them to 9th, 4 points from play offs Got to feel for Southgate. Delldays, think about it mate. Bit different taking over relegated side who had just lost player etc etc to taking over a team which has just managed 24 points from 15 and was 2 off automatic promotion. No changing mentality etc needed just find a couple of extra points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 nick...surely YOU of all people woul only think it is fair to judge WGS on NEXT season... dont be a hypocrite, now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 WGS told Steve Gibson he is a slow starter. "This is usual for me" he said after not winning his first five games.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 They need another Juniniho or Ravanelli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 This would be the same Gareth Southgate who had three complete seasons (yes, the "give them time give them time Lawrie Mac etc etc" longevity never fails theory) with Boro where they got worse and worse and worse and then were relegated. Despite what the "give them time" brigade like to think Southgate didn't look like turning into Alex Ferguson any time soon. In fairness, he had to deplete his squad year after year and bring through the younger players and not spending a great deal on players. Or did he sign Alves?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 Boro were never going anywhere with Gareth Wigley in charge. The timing was a bit odd, I'd have gotten rid of him in May, but it was pretty much inevitable IMO. Think WGS will take then into the playoffs next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 In fairness, he had to deplete his squad year after year and bring through the younger players and not spending a great deal on players. Or did he sign Alves?? Alfonso 'couldn't score in a brothel' Alves was one of Southgate's signings. M'boro are a small club, they just got lucky with Steve McLaren (who I think is a v.good manager, just not cut out for international management) and I think they may have found their level now tbh. The Prem is full of clubs like Boro though. Take the bottom half of the table for instance: Birmingham Stoke Blackburn West Ham Sunderland Wigan Wolves Hull Bolton Burnley Portsmouth How many of those teams could you say actually deserve their Premiership status? Certainly not any of the bottom 6 imo, and then Stoke and Blackburn have been pushing their luck in the past few seasons and Brum would be included in the list if they weren't having a good season like they are at the moment. Then you've got teams like Newcastle, West Brom, Norwich, Saints, Leeds, Luton and Nottingham Forest who have got long histories in the top flight but are languishing in the lower divisions. Football is a funny game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 21 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 21 February, 2010 so who should be in premiership? Could be another thread... who are the 20 teams who sit well in prem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Saint Posted 21 February, 2010 Share Posted 21 February, 2010 How many of those teams could you say actually deserve their Premiership status? Certainly not any of the bottom 6 imo, and then Stoke and Blackburn have been pushing their luck in the past few seasons and Brum would be included in the list if they weren't having a good season like they are at the moment. Then you've got teams like Newcastle, West Brom, Norwich, Saints, Leeds, Luton and Nottingham Forest who have got long histories in the top flight but are languishing in the lower divisions. Football is a funny game...[/color] Well I guess they deserve their Premiership status because they got promoted...usually how a league system works anyway. Would be slightly boring if top-flight status was based on size of ground and what you had done in the past... West Brom haven't been regulars in the top flight for years, nor have Norwich and I'm pretty sure Luton's spell in the 80s was the only time they'd been up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPY Posted 22 February, 2010 Share Posted 22 February, 2010 so who should be in premiership? Could be another thread... who are the 20 teams who sit well in prem? Manchester United Chelsea Liverpool Arsenal Tottenham Aston Villa Everton Manchester City West Ham Sunderland Newcastle Nottingham Forest Leicester Coventry Sheffield Wednesday Leeds Derby Southampton Birmingham West Brom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 22 February, 2010 Not easy, my first appempt Manchester United Arsenal Manchester City Liverpool Newcastle United Chelsea Sunderland Aston Villa Everton Tottenham Hotspur West Ham United Derby County Wolverhampton Wanderers Stoke City Sheffield United Leeds United Norwich City Nottingham Forest Sheffield Wednesday Southampton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 22 February, 2010 Share Posted 22 February, 2010 They need another Juniniho or Ravanelli. Was it 4-1 we beat them at The Dell with these 2 playing? I remember Neil Maddison launching Juniniho into the East Stand benches after about 5 minutes. Juniniho seemed to lose interest after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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