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Given the state of PCFC and the total intransigence of the EPL to do anything against PCFC for fear of tarnishing their "brand" I wonder what ideas we have for their reform?

 

We all know that the Fit and proper test is a joke but there are things that I believe that they must do to have control of the debt that could implode upon them from other clubs.

 

Some suggestions:

 

1. The EPL maintain ensure that the HMRC receive VAT at the time of the transfer by using funds held on behalf the Club in question.In effect the EPL pay HMRC on behalf of their clubs

 

2.. All transfers and payment shedules must be processed through the EPL.In the event of non-payment that amount be witheld and interest added applied until paid.

 

3. The FIt and proper persons test be abolished

 

4. The EPL devise a mechanism whereby the levels of debt/turnover could result in a club be relegated or funds reduced to that club if exceeded during the course of a season.

 

5 Each club is subject to an idependent audit and that audit be made public

(transparency)

 

 

There is just a few please add others..Who knows this thread could go on a long time !!!

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All your points look pretty valid to me.

 

I had a long chat with a mate of mine about this, and we were talking about how well run the German Bundesliga is. Cheap tickets, full stadiums, debt free clubs, quality of football and players get better every year…

 

Have a read of this article: http://timesonline.typepad.com/thegame/2010/02/debate-is-the-german-model-just-the-ticket-.html

 

Only being allowed to spend 65% on wages on your income would be a great start for the EPL.

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Cant see how #3 would bring any benefit to be honest. Without it, you would end up with a few clubs owned by 1 person or controlling family/company.

 

My concern here is that the current FFP test cannot work as they have no effective sanction.At the end of the day greed drives everything currently so the only effective way of regulating Premier League Clubs is to have the accounts made transparent and restrict overtrading while in debt.

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My master plan....stick with me guys.

 

20 teams, three up three down. 20 minus those three equals 17. So if say Manure win the PL, they then start the next season on minus 17....Liverpool come second, they start on minus 16...all the way down to 17th position, they start on zero, as do the three promoted clubs. This will go some way towards equalizing the money distribution.

 

Just an idea!!!

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My master plan....stick with me guys.

 

20 teams, three up three down. 20 minus those three equals 17. So if say Manure win the PL, they then start the next season on minus 17....Liverpool come second, they start on minus 16...all the way down to 17th position, they start on zero, as do the three promoted clubs. This will go some way towards equalizing the money distribution.

 

Just an idea!!!

 

Great idea, but somehow I can't quite see Manure voting for it, or in fact any of the suggestions mentioned.

 

I think until the top 4 bugger off into a european league the rest of the english clubs are f*cked

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It's PFC by the way. I assume you're talking about Pompey?

 

No, he's on about Portsmouth City FC. It's the new "AFC Portsmouth" when they go bust. :D

 

Interesting debate, I think there is a similar thread in 'General Sports' A couple of ideas I think wont work are:

 

1) "Big Four in European Super League". A huge portion of the interest in the PL is down the big four, especially outside the UK. Lose them and English football loses most of it's appeal and therefore it's prize money. A new "big four" will establish, probably the likes of Spuds, Villa, Man City and Everton. They will then want in on the ESL. Aside from the money and politics, for me part of the reason for wanting in on the Prem is trips to the Emirates, OT and Anfield. Can you imagine reaching the 'promised land' and your biggest day out was a trip to Goodison?

 

2) Higher placed teams having points deductions. It's not really fair and all the big clubs with the clout in English football will never agree to it.

 

A couple I think will are:

 

1) Wage capping. E.g. Max income (so wages, plus bonuses etc) £50k per player. Each Prem club can only have 5 players over £30kpw, another 5 over £20kpw or something along those lines. Will stop an awful lot of debt from accumulating. Would need to be inforced accross Europe so that English football doesn't suffer. Think it's currently illegal due to restriction of trade.

 

2) Playoff for last CL spot. Gives everyone in the top 10 a shot at the CL. May also stop teams like Liverpool and Man City spending so much on players if suddenly the CL seemed a lot less likely.

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1) Wage capping. E.g. Max income (so wages, plus bonuses etc) £50k per player. Each Prem club can only have 5 players over £30kpw, another 5 over £20kpw or something along those lines. Will stop an awful lot of debt from accumulating. Would need to be inforced accross Europe so that English football doesn't suffer. Think it's currently illegal due to restriction of trade.

 

Yes I don't think it's allowed. The alternative, which I think could be done, is a total salary cap per club. Within that cap they can pay each individual however much they want.

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Yes I don't think it's allowed. The alternative, which I think could be done, is a total salary cap per club. Within that cap they can pay each individual however much they want.

 

Think that would also come under a restriction of trade. Then again football always seems to be different to 'real life'. If I get caught taking cocaine, I get fired. When Adrian Mutu gets caught he gets fired... and a massive pay off.

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I was having this conversation with my wife last night (she's an accountant who undersatnds football so useful at the moment!)

 

She thinks that it's time they started treating football like a sport again and disassociated it from EU directives.

 

Even to the point where you say....

 

You must have 7 english players of which 4 must have been born within 75 miles of the ground or have been with your club since the age of 18.

 

I know this is a bit different from this discussion but we really need to get some regional identity back in every team. Teams playing 11 non-english players is a joke.

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I was having this conversation with my wife last night (she's an accountant who undersatnds football so useful at the moment!)

 

She thinks that it's time they started treating football like a sport again and disassociated it from EU directives.

 

Even to the point where you say....

 

You must have 7 english players of which 4 must have been born within 75 miles of the ground or have been with your club since the age of 18.

 

I know this is a bit different from this discussion but we really need to get some regional identity back in every team. Teams playing 11 non-english players is a joke.

 

I like this idea too. I'd say a player must stay at a club within the catchment area he was born, or has lived at least 5 years of his life, until he is 18 years old. None of this Arsenal poaching Walcott, Ramsey etc. when they're 16.

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I like this idea too. I'd say a player must stay at a club within the catchment area he was born, or has lived at least 5 years of his life, until he is 18 years old. None of this Arsenal poaching Walcott, Ramsey etc. when they're 16.

I agree..maybe we should say the same for bus drivers and taxi drivers...

 

 

or is that "racist"...?

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No it is Portsmouth City Football Club, Portsmouth Football Club PFC was wound up ten years ago but yes it is still Pompey !!!

 

I didn't know that. Why are they still allowed to call themselves PFC then? I have never heard them reffered to as anything else, except in that stupid song they sing.

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I like this idea too. I'd say a player must stay at a club within the catchment area he was born, or has lived at least 5 years of his life, until he is 18 years old. None of this Arsenal poaching Walcott, Ramsey etc. when they're 16.

 

Thats an easy thing for the FA to sort. If trained by a club, said youth player must (when signing professional terms) sign for a period of three years, or to his 21st bithday. How hard would that be to enforce!!

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I posted this on another thread... I am too angry to list all the things wrong with the Premier League (especially after they just fined Wolves for fielding a 'weakened' team at Man Utd!)... so it's quite obvious, it needs an overhaul, big time.

 

"Er, I suppose they are claiming that it devalued the PL? Maybe you should fine the Skates (not that would be a lot of use), Bolton and Wigan for paltry crowds and the bigger sides for having the audacity to rotate their squads.

 

****ing EPL, don't forget.. they lifted the embargo on an insolvent football club, bottled dealing with the Skates plea to sell players and actively tried to bail them out with money.

 

I don't only hope the Skates die soon, but I f()cking hope the Premier League collapses on its fat, bloated self. Disgrace. "

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Scrap the Premiere league and bring all the clubs back under the umbrella of the Football League. Fairer distribution of money, every club playing to the same rules and no more self-protectionism!

 

Spot on.

 

Non-regulation is always a short option and someone pays further down the line. Pure greed and now, guess what, we have a Southsea Bubble!

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Some good ideas so far.

I would like to see all transfers go through the PL,thus cutting out football agents and the money paid to them.

Also all clubs can only spend a certain amount each season,so making it a bit fairer.

Then i would make all contracts binding,so if a player signs for two years,he cannot leave until the two years are up.

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Some good ideas so far.

I would like to see all transfers go through the PL,thus cutting out football agents and the money paid to them.

Also all clubs can only spend a certain amount each season,so making it a bit fairer.

Then i would make all contracts binding,so if a player signs for two years,he cannot leave until the two years are up.

 

I do agree that the transfers need to be more transparent and monies 'ratified' but in the current system, I'd hate to see the PL have authority over the cash - they're as bent as Portsmouth.

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Premier League should be two divisions of 18 teams with 4 going up and 4 going down

 

below that a Southern League and a Northern League - both of two division of 18

 

salary cap on each club based on a % of turnover, and a player wage cap based on weekly wages - maximum of 50K a week

 

sharing of gate receipts 60-40 per cent in favour of home team, more equal division of TV money - with money going to teams in Southern and Northern Leagues as well

 

a British League cup (including Scotland and Ireland)

 

transfer fees to be paid up front in cash

 

ban on selling of players under 21 (maybe 23 even)

 

qoutas for home grown players

 

no foreign ownership - no unsecured debts - % of every club to be owned by supporters trusts

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I was having this conversation with my wife last night (she's an accountant who undersatnds football so useful at the moment!)

 

She thinks that it's time they started treating football like a sport again and disassociated it from EU directives.

 

Even to the point where you say....

 

You must have 7 english players of which 4 must have been born within 75 miles of the ground or have been with your club since the age of 18.

 

I know this is a bit different from this discussion but we really need to get some regional identity back in every team. Teams playing 11 non-english players is a joke.

 

Next year the following rules apply to Premier League teams:

 

1) - Squad of 25 players only

2) - 8 of these (or is it 6, can't remember now) must be "homegrown".

 

"Homegrown" means that they spent three years contracted to an English league club before the age of 21. Cesc Fabregas would be "homegrown" for example.

 

I've never heard of this until tonight but it was being discussed on 5Live and I swear that is what they said. I'm surprised by the squad limit bit.

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Scrap the Premiere league and bring all the clubs back under the umbrella of the Football League. Fairer distribution of money, every club playing to the same rules and no more self-protectionism!

 

Indeed. This problem started from a combination of the formation of the Premier League, and a few years previously, when clubs voted to keep all the home gate receipts. The biggest clubs back then, with the biggest stadiums immediately had a greater advantage than they previously had. Automatically, on the formation of the Premier League, and SKY money, the biggest clubs were the glamour clubs, and they attracted the most money. More money meant a far greater chance of success, by buying better quality players. It's a scenario which reaches a logical conclusion. There is a top echelon of a few clubs, which gets thinner and thinner until one or two dominate. The rest are cannon fodder. BORING..!

 

A return to 4 divisions under the Football League umbrella. Less bullsh!t, less fanfare, less money, more football.

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Thats an easy thing for the FA to sort. If trained by a club, said youth player must (when signing professional terms) sign for a period of three years, or to his 21st bithday. How hard would that be to enforce!!

 

Very, I don't think that would stand a chance if taken to the European Court of Justice.

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