Constant Moaning...

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Pretty obvious it't the attention freak 19C and his Scottish cousin.

 

This isn't about anyone in particular, and I have to say at least 19C does spend his time putting together coherent arguments, even if I don't agree with them all the time. I think in general people over-react to his posts just because they see the name that's posted them and then decided it must be negative...

 

I'm not saying debate isn't good, and that people can't agree and disagree with things that are happening, but I do disagree with the severity of the criticism over things that aren't actually that important to the club. There seems to be mass over-reactions to situations, and I feel it's because we're in such a good place that sometimes people have to make some situations seem worse than before. Some of the criticism of Cortese over the Echo thing was ridiculous. It makes no difference to me if they're banned, it'll make no difference to the results of the team, it just means that some people in Southampton will not get to read regurgitated opinions and rumours off of this Website. I don't think it's a stick to beat a man with. Maybe some people disagree, but I personally couldn't give two shakes.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/humility

 

:D

[Nineteen Canteen]

remember chaps resistence is futile off to the cooler with you , bolsheviks the lot of you

 

And with that reference it's off to the lounge for you unless its your attempt at spelling b o l l o c k s. Say hello to Johnny Bognor he'll enjoy a chat about radical socialists.

[Glasgow_Saint]

There a couple of members who have posted on this thread which was I think aimed at them among others. They are both on my ignore list. the thing is I really want to know what the have posted. should I take them off my ignore list. Decisions, decisions!! :confused:

 

 

If they are on your ignore list, how do you know they have posted?

 

Anyone that has an ignore list is weird.

 

iansums - you're weird. Add me to your ignore list (dont say im already on it, cos im not)

[SFC Forever]

Agree 100%. Without the aforementioned ML/NC , I don't know which league we'd be in and SMS would be an open-air concert arena. The club is very close to many hearts - even if some of the older players have long retired or, passed on to " the dressing room in the sky". It's OUR club, but we are customers, just like going to the cinema, or a supermarket. We don't own SMS, or control the money to run the club - but I'm glad we have owners who understand business and know how to handle money.

Something that cannot be bought is the club's soul, and that remains in the hearts of every fan - whatever age they may be.

 

The shirt issue is typical of a family squabble and will hopefully be resolved and everyone who DOESN'T want one ..doesn't have to buy it.

 

 

Exactly.But I am a Saints supporter as well as fan. I have a family with 6 of us all waiting to get the new strip. I fully expect the shirt to have somewhere, a bit stating it is the 125th anniversary shirt of our great club.

[saint_stevo]

moaning about the moaners again?

[sperm_john]

i agree with original poster

[Alain Perrin]

I put all moaners on ignore.....

 

Who said that?

[Secret Site Agent]

I'm sorry, but is anyone else ****ed off at what seems to be a culture of sniping at NC and ML's intentions for the club. We've already got a complaint about a new kit, which I am sure they thought would be an idea that the fans would love. We've had people complaining about the fact that The Echo got their fingers burnt because they were playing with fire, and also the fact that it may seem to us (outside the confines of knowing the financial status of them) that a few transfers were the cheap options.

 

We owe these guys our club. They are investing heavily, yet it seems all people can do is ***** and complain. Seriously guys, wind yer ****ing neck in and realise how lucky we have been. Not everyone is going to like EVERY decision. If you don't like a decision, suck it up, don't throw your toys out the pram. They are doing a bloody good job so far, and I really hope they don't come on here too much, because if they did they must think we're such ungrateful *****s.

 

Anyway, rant over.

 

Amen, brother. And so mote it be. I could have written this myself.

[John Smith]

I have no problem with people such as Alpine, debating whether or not AP got things right or wrong on match day, none at all. Sometimes, people find Alpine a bit abrassive, a bit too abrupt, but that's cool, that's just alpine, and to be fair, he's always been the same, and he only wants to see saints do better. This is what I call 'debate' and on a subject that is 'football' related. I don't see it as moaning, although, calling him a moaner does get some good reactions, and is all good banter for the most part.

 

What I think we have to realise is that ML has given the manager the best possible tools to do his job. He chose AP, not lightly or on a whim, I would of thought, but because he was the right man for the job, at this moment in time. I have to applaude ML, he has purchased players that are very good, and given AP the best possible squad to achieve his goal, namely, promotion. Sometimes, it could be that 'too many cooks spoil the broth' and with the size of our squad, and that many were only recently acquired, that AP's job has been made 'more' difficult because of the amount of choices and decisions he now has to make.

 

Let me put this into perspective, when AP was at West Ham, and at Charlton, despite his obvious ability to get the team to play good football (west Ham in the FA Cup) or Charlton, with a stripped squad due to relegation and injuries, there was one chink in his armour, substitutions. Now don;t get me wrong, George Burley was the king of poor substitutions, coupled with unbelievable tactical changes and Ap comes nowhere near. However, AP doesn;t do what is required at the right time. Sometimes, a substitution on 60-65 mins could do more good than those made at 70-75 mins. Sometimes he's negative when he needs to be positive, and sometimes he is defensive when we need an outlet to relieve the pressure. But, these are minute details, that, as a manager, he needs to improve on. Now, with the squad we have, he has an Arsenal of substitutes that can change the game, or, protect a lead and he needs to do this.

 

ML has given AP the total support that any manager would want, add to that some relative pressure from NC, I can see that the cogs of this club are well oiled and functioning very well. At the beginning of the season (a few games in), AP was getting his decisions correct, since the transfer window opened, he seems to have changed tact and is trying to find out his best 11, or best 16 for that matter. Like I said before, 'too many cooks'? However, I cannot doubt ML and NC commitment to this club, and whereby I don;t mind discussing whether AP got his part wrong or right, we have to trust in ML. We have to trust that if he believes AP is the best man for the job, then that is what we have to go with. But, if you want to debate tactics and team performance, then go ahead, and count me in, but I think we need to do away with this AP out and questioning ML's commitment, it's disturbing and over the top. ML well decide who manages Southampton FC, and quite frankly, AP was a good appointment at the time and up until recently had got the best out of players like Ricky Lambert and Morgan Spiderman. Lallana has kicked it up a gear and you can see the confidence in Antonio. Harding is Mr dependable and Jaidi is a man mountain and I'm glad he is 'our' CB. Hammond has done well and Waigo is getting there, the right back position has caused some issues, as has Jaidi's partner at the back and maybe a partner for Ricky. The transfer window gave us Fonte and Seabourne, Ostemobor for RB and Barnard to help Ricky and the 'superb' Connolly, add to that Puncheon, to hopefully free up Lallana and Ap and his scouts have done well and ML has backed his manager with cold hard cash.

 

I'm excited and love the whole team at the moment and sometimes, maybe, can't see the negatives because of all the positives in comparison to last season. We can play some good football and we have an exciting team, whichever 11 you choose. So let's not moan and whinge, but openly debate the football and the last performance, but let's bury any doubts of ML here and now, he has shown us his loyalty, it's about time we showed him ours and stop all this posturing about 'what if'. Fact is, we are in a better position now than we have been for 5 years or more, ML, if he sticks around long enough, will go down in history alongside Ted Bates, and that my fellow supporters, is very high praise indeed. So ledt's not judge ML after just 6 months, let's revisit this in 5 years, hopefully ML will still be here and Saints will be in the Prem again.

 

COYR

[Block 5]

I have no problem with people such as Alpine, debating whether or not AP got things right or wrong on match day, none at all. Sometimes, people find Alpine a bit abrassive, a bit too abrupt, but that's cool, that's just alpine, and to be fair, he's always been the same, and he only wants to see saints do better. This is what I call 'debate' and on a subject that is 'football' related. I don't see it as moaning, although, calling him a moaner does get some good reactions, and is all good banter for the most part.

 

What I think we have to realise is that ML has given the manager the best possible tools to do his job. He chose AP, not lightly or on a whim, I would of thought, but because he was the right man for the job, at this moment in time. I have to applaude ML, he has purchased players that are very good, and given AP the best possible squad to achieve his goal, namely, promotion. Sometimes, it could be that 'too many cooks spoil the broth' and with the size of our squad, and that many were only recently acquired, that AP's job has been made 'more' difficult because of the amount of choices and decisions he now has to make.

 

Let me put this into perspective, when AP was at West Ham, and at Charlton, despite his obvious ability to get the team to play good football (west Ham in the FA Cup) or Charlton, with a stripped squad due to relegation and injuries, there was one chink in his armour, substitutions. Now don;t get me wrong, George Burley was the king of poor substitutions, coupled with unbelievable tactical changes and Ap comes nowhere near. However, AP doesn;t do what is required at the right time. Sometimes, a substitution on 60-65 mins could do more good than those made at 70-75 mins. Sometimes he's negative when he needs to be positive, and sometimes he is defensive when we need an outlet to relieve the pressure. But, these are minute details, that, as a manager, he needs to improve on. Now, with the squad we have, he has an Arsenal of substitutes that can change the game, or, protect a lead and he needs to do this.

 

ML has given AP the total support that any manager would want, add to that some relative pressure from NC, I can see that the cogs of this club are well oiled and functioning very well. At the beginning of the season (a few games in), AP was getting his decisions correct, since the transfer window opened, he seems to have changed tact and is trying to find out his best 11, or best 16 for that matter. Like I said before, 'too many cooks'? However, I cannot doubt ML and NC commitment to this club, and whereby I don;t mind discussing whether AP got his part wrong or right, we have to trust in ML. We have to trust that if he believes AP is the best man for the job, then that is what we have to go with. But, if you want to debate tactics and team performance, then go ahead, and count me in, but I think we need to do away with this AP out and questioning ML's commitment, it's disturbing and over the top. ML well decide who manages Southampton FC, and quite frankly, AP was a good appointment at the time and up until recently had got the best out of players like Ricky Lambert and Morgan Spiderman. Lallana has kicked it up a gear and you can see the confidence in Antonio. Harding is Mr dependable and Jaidi is a man mountain and I'm glad he is 'our' CB. Hammond has done well and Waigo is getting there, the right back position has caused some issues, as has Jaidi's partner at the back and maybe a partner for Ricky. The transfer window gave us Fonte and Seabourne, Ostemobor for RB and Barnard to help Ricky and the 'superb' Connolly, add to that Puncheon, to hopefully free up Lallana and Ap and his scouts have done well and ML has backed his manager with cold hard cash.

 

I'm excited and love the whole team at the moment and sometimes, maybe, can't see the negatives because of all the positives in comparison to last season. We can play some good football and we have an exciting team, whichever 11 you choose. So let's not moan and whinge, but openly debate the football and the last performance, but let's bury any doubts of ML here and now, he has shown us his loyalty, it's about time we showed him ours and stop all this posturing about 'what if'. Fact is, we are in a better position now than we have been for 5 years or more, ML, if he sticks around long enough, will go down in history alongside Ted Bates, and that my fellow supporters, is very high praise indeed. So ledt's not judge ML after just 6 months, let's revisit this in 5 years, hopefully ML will still be here and Saints will be in the Prem again.

 

COYR

 

A well reasoned and thought out response.

 

You're going on my 'ignore list' Mr Smith.

[sadoldgit]

I'm sorry, but is anyone else ****ed off at what seems to be a culture of sniping at NC and ML's intentions for the club. We've already got a complaint about a new kit, which I am sure they thought would be an idea that the fans would love. We've had people complaining about the fact that The Echo got their fingers burnt because they were playing with fire, and also the fact that it may seem to us (outside the confines of knowing the financial status of them) that a few transfers were the cheap options.

 

We owe these guys our club. They are investing heavily, yet it seems all people can do is ***** and complain. Seriously guys, wind yer ****ing neck in and realise how lucky we have been. Not everyone is going to like EVERY decision. If you don't like a decision, suck it up, don't throw your toys out the pram. They are doing a bloody good job so far, and I really hope they don't come on here too much, because if they did they must think we're such ungrateful *****s.

 

Anyway, rant over.

 

So we can't critically discuss ML and NC but it is quite okay to pull Lowe, Crouch, Wilde, Burley, Redknapp, Kelvin Davies, Rory Delap, Matty Oakley, Wigley, Gray, Wright etc etc etc apart???

 

Personally, apart from Cortese's childish behaviour with the Echo and foolish outburst about results (he should back his manager in public even if he gives him a hard time behind closed doors) I don't have an issue with the bloke. What I do find funny though is the fact that somehow he is fireproof???

 

Lowe had all kinds of abuse thrown at him for falling out with the Echo, pulling the plug on deals because he thought they were too expensive, not being a football man etc, but someone those things don't seem to matter any more?

 

Hmmmm.....one rule for one......

[Give it to Ron]

e. What I do find funny though is the fact that somehow he is fireproof???

 

Lowe had all kinds of abuse thrown at him for falling out with the Echo, pulling the plug on deals because he thought they were too expensive, not being a football man etc, but someone those things don't seem to matter any more?

 

Hmmmm.....one rule for one......

 

Well when Cortese is responsible for 2 relegations and the loss of revenue of epic proportion, getting through 10? managers in as many years.

Also alienating its supporters , selling as many of its crown as possible, going for ridiculous Dutch experiments and the worst recruitment of players in a season the club has known just perhaps many of us will start to criticise like we did your hero!

[Miffy]

'These are the seasons of emotion and like the winds they rise and fall

This is the wonder of devotion - I see the torch we all must hold.

This is the mystery of the quotient - Upon us all a little rain must fall'

 

Yep, upon us all a little rain must fall after all we've felt the coldness of our winter.

 

Leaves are fallin' all around, time I was on my way

Thanks to you, I'm much obliged for such a pleasant stay

But now it's time for me to go, the autumn moon lights my way

For now I smell the rain, and with it, pain

and it's headed my way.

Aw, sometimes I grow so tired

but I know I've got one thing I got to do

[sadoldgit]

Well when Cortese is responsible for 2 relegations and the loss of revenue of epic proportion, getting through 10? managers in as many years.

Also alienating its supporters , selling as many of its crown as possible, going for ridiculous Dutch experiments and the worst recruitment of players in a season the club has known just perhaps many of us will start to criticise like we did your hero!

 

What has Ron Davies got to do with it???

 

If you are talking about Lowe, he was geting ripped to shreds the day the moment he took over as, like Cortese, he wasn't a "football man".

[Give it to Ron]

What has Ron Davies got to do with it???

 

If you are talking about Lowe, he was geting ripped to shreds the day the moment he took over as, like Cortese, he wasn't a "football man".

 

Well they were proved right weren't they???

Has Cortese done anything wrong apart from fall out with a 2 bit rag?

When he does then I am sure there will be plenty voicing there dismay.

[John Smith]

So we can't critically discuss ML and NC but it is quite okay to pull Lowe, Crouch, Wilde, Burley, Redknapp, Kelvin Davies, Rory Delap, Matty Oakley, Wigley, Gray, Wright etc etc etc apart???

 

Personally, apart from Cortese's childish behaviour with the Echo and foolish outburst about results (he should back his manager in public even if he gives him a hard time behind closed doors) I don't have an issue with the bloke. What I do find funny though is the fact that somehow he is fireproof???

 

Lowe had all kinds of abuse thrown at him for falling out with the Echo, pulling the plug on deals because he thought they were too expensive, not being a football man etc, but someone those things don't seem to matter any more?

 

Hmmmm.....one rule for one......

 

Some people are never happy. So, you go for it SOG, criticise, despise, pull them to pieces, give it your best shot, but, don;t for one second tell the rest of us why we didn't like Lowe. Many people have many reasons, so many in fact, it would be impossible to list them in one post!

 

However, I do take objection to you claiming that I didn;t like him because he wasn't a football man, or that he was 'prudent' with the companies money to make sure a dividend was still received or that he could've sold to Crouch but was too bitter and twisted to take money from Crouch rather than run this club into administration, he was scum, pure and simple, nothing about 'class', as he had none, nothing about hockey, hockey people have my respect, it was him, all himself and he is to blame for his 'behaviour', no one else.

 

Move on SOG and let the rest of us enjoy this time, because one thing is for sure, Saints will hit hard times again, we will end up bottom of the pile, because that's what we're used but it also makes us stronger. So, for all the hate I have for Lowe, I have to thank him, because without his humungous scr*w up's, we wouldn't be where we are today, AND, have a future.

 

Leave Lowe whre he belongs, in the history books, move on...

[John B]

So posters are now moaning about posters who moan how interesting;)

[hackedoff]

I,am not a moaner but I am Hackedoff

[alpine_saint]

Well when Cortese is responsible for 2 relegations and the loss of revenue of epic proportion, getting through 10? managers in as many years.

Also alienating its supporters , selling as many of its crown as possible, going for ridiculous Dutch experiments and the worst recruitment of players in a season the club has known just perhaps many of us will start to criticise like we did your hero!

 

Well said, GITR.

[Dig Dig]

I agree with 19c in the sense that questioning and debating the actions of ML, AP or NC isn't moaning but generating a discussion on a forum. Otherwise, what's the point of this place? I don't want to come on here and just talk about how nice it is that ML wears a saints tie to the games.

 

There are some posters on here though that do moan and persist with their opinions to the point where they just end up trying to ram them down our throats and hijack loads of threads banging on about the same things.

 

As much as I'm enjoying our current situation and the work of NC and AP Im not at all against debating if they get things wrong because both will at some point. I thought that NC was naive to release those comments to the press just days after backing him with 2 million in the transfer window. But you could expect that right? He is young for a chairman of a football club and new to football. He is obviously very competent as a buisness man and I'm sure he'll succeed but that doesn't mean we shouldn't scrutinise some actions

[saint_stevo]

We owe them our club? Didn't read the OP earlier but it does seem to be utter tripe having just finished it.

 

What's to say we wouldn't have been taken over even if ML hadn't come along (i'm eternally grateful he did btw, seeing as he is a billionaire and seemingly not a nutter) We just don't know what would have happened. I am still amazed at how many people roll out the 'nearly went out of business' line as excuse for our poor league form (it is poor, before that is shot down in flames)

 

Pardew should be doing better, he knows it, NC knows it, and some on ere know it. We need to push on for a top half finish, and set ourselves up for L1 champions next season, because anything else would be a failure, and there wouldn't be the excuses of 'no pre-season' or 'nearly didn't have a club' to fall back on......Just Cortese and the knife he is rightly hovering behind AP

[saintjinksie]

I'm sorry, but is anyone else ****ed off at what seems to be a culture of sniping at NC and ML's intentions for the club. We've already got a complaint about a new kit, which I am sure they thought would be an idea that the fans would love. We've had people complaining about the fact that The Echo got their fingers burnt because they were playing with fire, and also the fact that it may seem to us (outside the confines of knowing the financial status of them) that a few transfers were the cheap options.

 

We owe these guys our club. They are investing heavily, yet it seems all people can do is ***** and complain. Seriously guys, wind yer ****ing neck in and realise how lucky we have been. Not everyone is going to like EVERY decision. If you don't like a decision, suck it up, don't throw your toys out the pram. They are doing a bloody good job so far, and I really hope they don't come on here too much, because if they did they must think we're such ungrateful *****s.

 

Anyway, rant over.

 

i support them and especially NC's comments about league form not being good enough, he seems my sort of chairman. doesnt settle for the mediocre sh*te we turn out every week

[BadgerBadger]

So someone has a dig at the moaners (quite rightly to btw) and then some of the moaners come on here and spout off that they were not moaning but were right all along.

 

However right they may be (and they have some good and relative points) they're still negative moaners that dig in, argue the toss, then roll themselves out as visionaries but that's just a little ol' opinion

[Thedelldays]

At the end of the day....

 

I'm just thankful we have a club to support

[saint_stevo]

ffs tdd

[LA77]

I doubt NC or ML or any other successful billionaires would worry what a few fans rant about on a football message board. bring on Wembley and stop moaning

[Wiltshire Saint]

I have this Belgian woman that I am seeing. She is always moaning and groaning when she gets a portion of Wiltshires finest.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I have this Belgian woman that I am seeing. She is always moaning and groaning when she gets a portion of Wiltshires finest.

 

Banger or Godiva?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

We owe them our club? Didn't read the OP earlier but it does seem to be utter tripe having just finished it.

 

What's to say we wouldn't have been taken over even if ML hadn't come along (i'm eternally grateful he did btw, seeing as he is a billionaire and seemingly not a nutter) We just don't know what would have happened. I am still amazed at how many people roll out the 'nearly went out of business' line as excuse for our poor league form (it is poor, before that is shot down in flames)

 

Pardew should be doing better, he knows it, NC knows it, and some on ere know it. We need to push on for a top half finish, and set ourselves up for L1 champions next season, because anything else would be a failure, and there wouldn't be the excuses of 'no pre-season' or 'nearly didn't have a club' to fall back on......Just Cortese and the knife he is rightly hovering behind AP

 

To be fair SS, no one really cares about your opinion. You have recently developed into being the worst troll on these here shores. I assume you need the validation that comes with constantly thinking your right. Anyway, enough of my commute wasted on you methinks.

[St Marco]

Have not really posted on the main board for sometime as have a lot of others due to this.

 

We all know these people and we all know they will never change.

 

Some will offer good alternative views. Questions that are actually worth asking. But ultimatly they are negative, and will look for the negative in everything. Some will be happy we got to Wembley, they will criticise for not doing so well in the league etc.. it is the failure to grasp the whole picture which i think in our recent history you really have to do.

Outside of this forum i have yet to meet a single person who is unhappy with the way this season has gone. Some wish we could get to the playoffs but realise that was always a tough ask for a club in our position.

 

Without the -10 things would look very different. We would have 2 games in hand on the teams above us and have a good chance of going up. But they simply choose to ignore those things rather concentrating on again the negative side.

Because that is what they enjoy to do.

 

On good old Saints Forever constant whining or trolling was dealt with bans and suspensions. It does not seem to have been discouraged here and that is why each thread goes the same way. You can start a thread about how happy you are about something and within a matter of minutes it will have turned into another negative thread.

 

Sure there are always going to be two sides to every story. 1 might see things different to another. It is the way you present your opinion that determines wether what you say is valid and a good point, or if it is just to cause reaction amongst the boards readers ala trolling style. Plus it is the fact that a lot of these whiners are totally one sided with their views which give them away. When something goes well they will ignore that thread. Anything that is not quite clear cut and they will come out with an opinion, and 9 times out of 10 we all know what side of the fence that opinion will come down on

[Thedelldays]

I love the way people say that those who are unhappy with (and be honest) a crap league position are trolling and moaning..

 

better email this guy and tell him the same. nicolacortese@saintsfc.co.uk

 

 

im sure he will not listen to people from a message board..but worth a try

[John B]

To be fair SS, no one really cares about your opinion. You have recently developed into being the worst troll on these here shores. I assume you need the validation that comes with constantly thinking your right. Anyway, enough of my commute wasted on you methinks.

 

It is posters like you who cause the trouble on here

 

SS surely has the right to post what he feels without you rubbishing his efforts.

 

His opinions like all others should be welcomed you dont have to agree with him

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

It is posters like you who cause the trouble on here

 

SS surely has the right to post what he feels without you rubbishing his efforts.

 

His opinions like all others should be welcomed you dont have to agree with him

 

*Sigh*, ok, fair enough, I've just found that over the last however long every post is going against the status quo (not Rik Parfitt et al), just to get a reaction. Fairpkay, he may not be trolling, it just really, reallly looks like it to me.

[Toadhall Saint]

We owe them our club? Didn't read the OP earlier but it does seem to be utter tripe having just finished it.

 

What's to say we wouldn't have been taken over even if ML hadn't come along (i'm eternally grateful he did btw, seeing as he is a billionaire and seemingly not a nutter) We just don't know what would have happened. I am still amazed at how many people roll out the 'nearly went out of business' line as excuse for our poor league form (it is poor, before that is shot down in flames)

 

Pardew should be doing better, he knows it, NC knows it, and some on ere know it. We need to push on for a top half finish, and set ourselves up for L1 champions next season, because anything else would be a failure, and there wouldn't be the excuses of 'no pre-season' or 'nearly didn't have a club' to fall back on......Just Cortese and the knife he is rightly hovering behind AP

 

Hmmm but moaning about it and actively looking for the negatives isn't the answer is it? As to NC hovering a knife - utter rubbish.

[Saint Fan CaM]

I think it's about time we put this right once and for all.

 

We are SUPPORTERS we are FANS we are NOT CUSTOMERS! You may think that because you pay your money you have the 'right' to complain! But that isn’t even what a customer is you doughnuts! We are supporters and Lowe knew this, it's not as though you can stop 'buying' Saints and buy 'Poopey' instead. If you cut me open, I'm red and white! If you think you’re a 'customer' then Walk away, follow 'Lowe' to his next business opportunity. But don't mix me up with your 'customer' beliefs. I am part of a club, I am part of a 'football club' I 'Support' the Saints, and I am a fan of everything red and white.

 

ML has saved this 'club'. Not the 'business', and he doesn’t give a stuff about the 'customers', they will obviously come and go as they please. He cares about the 'Supporters' and the 'fans' of this little 'club'. The PLC is dead, Lowe has gone, a new era is on the horizon, support ML like you supported Ted Bates, because without Ted, there'd be no Saints (as we know it) and without ML, there'd be no Saints (as we know it)!

 

So stop your, customer this, customer that rubbish and SUPPORT the Saints!

 

COYR

 

 

Sorry, but I cannot agree with everything you've said there.

 

A supporter/fan is a special kind of customer for the reasons you've stated (i.e. we can't easily walk away) and so the terms are not mutually exclusive. The simple fact is any club is run as a business - e.g. fiscal duties etc. and the fact is also that a football club needs revenue to operate. That revenue largely comes from its supporters/customers. The revenue decreases when an unsatisfactory product or service persists over a period of time.

 

Lowe failed to recognise what was primarily important to his customers and therefore lost the clubs supporters. You could say ML/NC have re-ignited the interest in the club from a 'sleeping pool' of customers who are now returning as supporters once again.

 

I rest my case, but see the connection now?

[dune]

We are SUPPORTERS we are FANS we are NOT CUSTOMERS!

 

I'm a supporter, a fan and a customer. Believe you me i'll stop going or alter how I attend if I feel like it. I stopped going altogther because of Rupert Lowe and i'll stop going again if prices are hiked. I don't like being ripped off and taken for a fool.

[saint_stevo]

To be fair SS, no one really cares about your opinion. You have recently developed into being the worst troll on these here shores. I assume you need the validation that comes with constantly thinking your right. Anyway, enough of my commute wasted on you methinks.

 

If i didnt think i was right, i wouldnt bother posting it, im not gonna post

something i dont believe in.

 

It is posters like you who cause the trouble on here

 

SS surely has the right to post what he feels without you rubbishing his efforts.

 

His opinions like all others should be welcomed you dont have to agree with him

 

Exactly. it's a forum.

 

*Sigh*, ok, fair enough, I've just found that over the last however long every post is going against the status quo (not Rik Parfitt et al), just to get a reaction. Fairpkay, he may not be trolling, it just really, reallly looks like it to me.

 

I have a point of view, and i stick to it, i don't do it for a reaction, i post it because i paid my £5er and it is my point of view. If you don't like it, there is an ignore option you know.

[saint_stevo]

Hmmm but moaning about it and actively looking for the negatives isn't the answer is it? As to NC hovering a knife - utter rubbish.

 

NC saying he expects better league results and AP coming out saying he hopes he gets the promised 18months? Maybe not hovering but the knife is in the same room........

[docker-p]

I'm sorry, but is anyone else ****ed off at what seems to be a culture of sniping at NC and ML's intentions for the club. We've already got a complaint about a new kit, which I am sure they thought would be an idea that the fans would love. We've had people complaining about the fact that The Echo got their fingers burnt because they were playing with fire, and also the fact that it may seem to us (outside the confines of knowing the financial status of them) that a few transfers were the cheap options.

 

We owe these guys our club. They are investing heavily, yet it seems all people can do is ***** and complain. Seriously guys, wind yer ****ing neck in and realise how lucky we have been. Not everyone is going to like EVERY decision. If you don't like a decision, suck it up, don't throw your toys out the pram. They are doing a bloody good job so far, and I really hope they don't come on here too much, because if they did they must think we're such ungrateful *****s.

 

Anyway, rant over.

 

Worth reminding you that many ordinary and fundermentaly decent German people said similar things to you in the 30's about Hitler. After all why rock the boat when he gave them full employment?

Freedom of speech is fundermental to any just society whether that society is a country or an internet forum.

 

For what it's worth I'm delighted NC and ML took our club over. And hope they stay around for a long time. I don't like their plans for a new shirt next season,I think NC's war with the Echo is counter productive and pointless, and I think £28 for a ticket for PFC was blatent profiteering.

I like the pans for the new training ground, i like the funds for players thats been made available, and I like the idea of moving the away fans.

 

If NC or ML are so upset by "snipes" on a fans forum that they want to take their money else where, I can't understand how these guys managed to achieve such success with such thin skins.

[saint_stevo]

Worth reminding you that many ordinary and fundermentaly decent German people said similar things to you in the 30's about Hitler. After all why rock the boat when he gave them full employment?

Freedom of speech is fundermental to any just society whether that society is a country or an internet forum.

 

For what it's worth I'm delighted NC and ML took our club over. And hope they stay around for a long time. I don't like their plans for a new shirt next season,I think NC's war with the Echo is counter productive and pointless, and I think £28 for a ticket for PFC was blatent profiteering.

I like the pans for the new training ground, i like the funds for players thats been made available, and I like the idea of moving the away fans.

 

If NC or ML are so upset by "snipes" on a fans forum that they want to take their money else where, I can't understand how these guys managed to achieve such success with such thin skins.

 

Well we soon got under the skin of Tony 'Tyre Kicker' Lynam!

[Block 5]

Worth reminding you that many ordinary and fundermentaly decent German people said similar things to you in the 30's about Hitler. After all why rock the boat when he gave them full employment?

 

Quality comedy!

I just had to give the monitor a wipe off........ coffee everywhere!

[docker-p]

Well we soon got under the skin of Tony 'Tyre Kicker' Lynam!

 

LOL. Yeah sorry Tony, no offence.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Worth reminding you that many ordinary and fundermentaly decent German people said similar things to you in the 30's about Hitler. After all why rock the boat when he gave them full employment?

Freedom of speech is fundermental to any just society whether that society is a country or an internet forum.

 

 

Good old Godwins Law. Look it up. Means you've lost the argument and made yourself look like a prat.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Do you know what, to Docker P, Saint Stevo etc, fine maybe I'm wrong at the thought of gagging you lot, personally I don't want to do that. I just want you to, for once, look in the bright side of what is happening. I really feel sorry for people who have to live with you, day in, day out. Your wives/girlfriends/left hands must be saints.

[sebastian firefly]

Good old Godwins Law. Look it up. Means you've lost the argument and made yourself look like a prat.

 

sounds like your "moaning" although godwins law enforcment agents cant prove a thing because its a contradiction .

[Nineteen Canteen]

Have not really posted on the main board for sometime as have a lot of others due to this.

 

We all know these people and we all know they will never change.

 

Some will offer good alternative views. Questions that are actually worth asking. But ultimatly they are negative, and will look for the negative in everything. Some will be happy we got to Wembley, they will criticise for not doing so well in the league etc.. it is the failure to grasp the whole picture which i think in our recent history you really have to do.

Outside of this forum i have yet to meet a single person who is unhappy with the way this season has gone. Some wish we could get to the playoffs but realise that was always a tough ask for a club in our position.

 

Without the -10 things would look very different. We would have 2 games in hand on the teams above us and have a good chance of going up. But they simply choose to ignore those things rather concentrating on again the negative side.

Because that is what they enjoy to do.

 

On good old Saints Forever constant whining or trolling was dealt with bans and suspensions. It does not seem to have been discouraged here and that is why each thread goes the same way. You can start a thread about how happy you are about something and within a matter of minutes it will have turned into another negative thread.

 

Sure there are always going to be two sides to every story. 1 might see things different to another. It is the way you present your opinion that determines wether what you say is valid and a good point, or if it is just to cause reaction amongst the boards readers ala trolling style. Plus it is the fact that a lot of these whiners are totally one sided with their views which give them away. When something goes well they will ignore that thread. Anything that is not quite clear cut and they will come out with an opinion, and 9 times out of 10 we all know what side of the fence that opinion will come down on

 

Every cloud has a silver lining

[docker-p]

Do you know what, to Docker P, Saint Stevo etc, fine maybe I'm wrong at the thought of gagging you lot, personally I don't want to do that. I just want you to, for once, look in the bright side of what is happening. I really feel sorry for people who have to live with you, day in, day out. Your wives/girlfriends/left hands must be saints.

Maybe????? F u c k i n g maybe?

Tell you what Dibden. Why not troll through the archives and find all the posters who only say positive things you agree with, and invite them around to your house for a tea party and spend a couple of hours stroking each other?

[Wes Tender]

What has Ron Davies got to do with it???

 

If you are talking about Lowe, he was geting ripped to shreds the day the moment he took over as, like Cortese, he wasn't a "football man".

 

Look SOG, do please try and get your facts right. There might have been an element who had a go because Lowe wasn't a football man, but the difference between him and ML is that if he isn't a football man, at least he is wealthy enough to invest the money into the business that will make it a success.

 

Most were against Lowe from the start because of the nature of his arrival here on the back of the morally bankrupt and ethically indefensible events surrounding the reverse takeoever.

 

However, I will be eternally grateful to Lowe for facilitating the arrival of ML at the club as a direct result of his incompetance. It might come to pass at some stage that NC and ML do something to disappoint or anger the fans, but from what I've seen so far, it seems extremely unlikely, as they do actually seem on the face of it to know what makes a decent business tick, both financially and from the point of view of the customers (sorry, John, fans)

 

Anyway, I suspect that your assertion that Cortese is not a football man is also wide of the mark, as I understand that his banking expertise was specialised towards investment in sport and I suspect that in any event he is also a fan of football rather than hockey.

[Toadhall Saint]

NC saying he expects better league results and AP coming out saying he hopes he gets the promised 18months? Maybe not hovering but the knife is in the same room........

 

Only cos they are talking in the kitchen.

 

Seriously tho do you think that AP won't be given the time he was promised? IMHO the comments made by both parties are no more than a bit of positioning.

To get rid of AP now would be madness, NC knows this and is just giving AP a "push" in the right direction as far as NC and the club are concerned. This club is on the up - we've come from deaths door to knocking on the door of success in what about 8 months - in another 8 months what will Saints and the club look like? I don't know as I have no tarot cards or a Chrystal ball but I expect us to be in an improved state.

This season was always going to be difficult (reasons have all been done to death on here) but, we are having a good season. Yes I want us to get to the play off's - not looking likely - but still not out of the equation and until they are then I'll carry on believing as what else can you have?