If P*mpey get wound-up on Friday :Poll:

[Junior Mullet]

The signings were not illegal. To be illegal and therefore potentially void the result, the FA would have not approved the player's transfer. As far as I am aware, all Poopey's signings took place once the FA's transfer embargo was lifted. So far as we can all tell, the FA did properly sanction the player's signing and therefore he had a right to play. I do not beleive FA rules have any hidden rule that we don't all know about.

 

Some people seem to be confused about insolvency laws that apply to all companies, not just football clubs. There can be little doubt that Poopey are insolvent because they are unable to pay their debts as they fall due and I exepct they also fail a secondary test for insolvency by having a negative balance sheet. So where does that leave them? From a financial perspective, it leaves them in deep sh!t but it will not affect the outcome of the game or any results, which are goverend by FA/PL/whatever footballing rules.

 

The directors at Pompey could be personally liable to repay money to club if an insolvency practiitoner appointed to take care of affairs at the club can show that the company traded whilst insolvent without a reasonable prospect of trading out. This is known as fraudulent trading or wrongful trading for those that care, based on the level of knowledge and behaviour of the directors. It is therefore no surprise that some directors have quit recently. The ones remainign must be cacking themselves. I susepct they have something to hide, or why else go down the most risky path?

 

So, please stop bast@rdising football and insolvency laws. The signings were not illegal and the result will stand. Brum would get a bye if Pompey snuff it before the tie is due to be played.

[Gingeletiss]

The signings were not illegal. To be illegal and therefore potentially void the result, the FA would have not approved the player's transfer. As far as I am aware, all Poopey's signings took place once the FA's transfer embargo was lifted. So far as we can all tell, the FA did properly sanction the player's signing and therefore he had a right to play. I do not beleive FA rules have any hidden rule that we don't all know about.

 

Are you that sure....My understandimg is that if found to be insolvent, all transactions from the date of the winding up order (Oct), will be deemed to be illegal. Again, this is just my understanding!!

[saintjay77]

Are you that sure....My understandimg is that if found to be insolvent, all transactions from the date of the winding up order (Oct), will be deemed to be illegal. Again, this is just my understanding!!

 

I thought that too but some on here have explained that if a business is proved to have traded whilst insolvent then the directors are personally liable for any debts incured as long as the directors knew they were insolvent.

 

So if Storrie teller and his chums knew Poopy didnt have a hope in hell of paying there bills yet still brought in players and added to the wage bill then it would be Storrie teller and his chums that would be chased to pay anything outstanding.

 

Any debts before the time they knew would be delt with by administrators/liquidators out of any funds raised in selling off the assets.

 

Basically I think if a club is skint then as soon as the directors know they should look to go into admin if there is no way out. (like what we did) That way if all goes belly up then its the business name that is liable and not the directors.

 

Only thing Lowe lost was his pride.

Storrie could lose a hell of allot more.

[brianoneils slidingtackle]

If I was a Pompey fan I wouldnt be spending my giro money on a ticket for the next round until I knew that the club were definatly going to be around to play the game. :-)

 

How would they return the ticket money to 20,000 skates ?

[Gingeletiss]

If I was a Pompey fan I wouldnt be spending my giro money on a ticket for the next round until I knew that the club were definatly going to be around to play the game. :-)

 

How would they return the ticket money to 20,000 skates ?

 

Where did you come by that figure!!!!!!!!

[mcjwills]

Where did you come by that figure!!!!!!!!

 

Best supporters in the world

[brianoneils slidingtackle]

Where did you come by that figure!!!!!!!!

 

Sorry about that, got carried away :-)

[sad saints fan]

I am working at a site in Gosport at the moment and I am the only Saints fan there,most as you can well imagine are of the blue persuasion.

The conversation in the canteen this dinner time did make me laugh though. They are all very concerned that their club could be LIQUIDISED.

Would this produce some kind of highly toxic smoothie?

[yorkie]

When can we expect some news now they have presented their current financial situation?

 

Surely there is no chance they can pay off their current debts...never mind the ones for the rest of the season!

 

I actually sent an e-mail to the HMRC yesterday demanding they be wound up - as they have had an unfair advantage over other teams in The Premiership and FA Cup!

 

Still awaiting a response!!!

[brianoneils slidingtackle]

As was stated in the newspaper the other day, that tax money that P*mpey owe is our money that could be used in our Hospitals or to help our troops with better equipment.

[Saints Warrior]

Its all a scam and fix by the Prem. They will do anyhting to avoid skates going insolvent, which they are now! So why supply a document? The so called document is probally a cover up with the prem and will say money can be found.

 

I say if the are NOT relegated and or given 9 points then we all disregard pompey are our rivals and go for havent and skatesville instead.

 

If Skates stay in prem then its a fix and they have had special treatment which has not been avalible to other teams in all leaques and wont be in the future.

[Gemmel]

The signings were not illegal. To be illegal and therefore potentially void the result, the FA would have not approved the player's transfer. As far as I am aware, all Poopey's signings took place once the FA's transfer embargo was lifted. So far as we can all tell, the FA did properly sanction the player's signing and therefore he had a right to play. I do not beleive FA rules have any hidden rule that we don't all know about.

 

Some people seem to be confused about insolvency laws that apply to all companies, not just football clubs. There can be little doubt that Poopey are insolvent because they are unable to pay their debts as they fall due and I exepct they also fail a secondary test for insolvency by having a negative balance sheet. So where does that leave them? From a financial perspective, it leaves them in deep sh!t but it will not affect the outcome of the game or any results, which are goverend by FA/PL/whatever footballing rules.

 

The directors at Pompey could be personally liable to repay money to club if an insolvency practiitoner appointed to take care of affairs at the club can show that the company traded whilst insolvent without a reasonable prospect of trading out. This is known as fraudulent trading or wrongful trading for those that care, based on the level of knowledge and behaviour of the directors. It is therefore no surprise that some directors have quit recently. The ones remainign must be cacking themselves. I susepct they have something to hide, or why else go down the most risky path?

 

So, please stop bast@rdising football and insolvency laws. The signings were not illegal and the result will stand. Brum would get a bye if Pompey snuff it before the tie is due to be played.

 

Whilst I do not think Saints should get re-instated or are likely to get a bye in the event, It is against FA rules to run a team insolvently, so they have broken football rules and the FA are quoted as saying they don't know what will happen.

[Daren W]

The signings were not illegal. To be illegal and therefore potentially void the result, the FA would have not approved the player's transfer. As far as I am aware, all Poopey's signings took place once the FA's transfer embargo was lifted. So far as we can all tell, the FA did properly sanction the player's signing and therefore he had a right to play. I do not beleive FA rules have any hidden rule that we don't all know about.

 

Some people seem to be confused about insolvency laws that apply to all companies, not just football clubs. There can be little doubt that Poopey are insolvent because they are unable to pay their debts as they fall due and I exepct they also fail a secondary test for insolvency by having a negative balance sheet. So where does that leave them? From a financial perspective, it leaves them in deep sh!t but it will not affect the outcome of the game or any results, which are goverend by FA/PL/whatever footballing rules.

 

The directors at Pompey could be personally liable to repay money to club if an insolvency practiitoner appointed to take care of affairs at the club can show that the company traded whilst insolvent without a reasonable prospect of trading out. This is known as fraudulent trading or wrongful trading for those that care, based on the level of knowledge and behaviour of the directors. It is therefore no surprise that some directors have quit recently. The ones remainign must be cacking themselves. I susepct they have something to hide, or why else go down the most risky path?

 

So, please stop bast@rdising football and insolvency laws. The signings were not illegal and the result will stand. Brum would get a bye if Pompey snuff it before the tie is due to be played.

 

But the question is, if Pompey have been trading whilst insolvent, should the transfer embargo have been lifted?

 

Pompey are heading towards Carlos Tevez territory should they survive. If you were a team relegated in their place you'd quite rightly ask how they were allowed to sign the players that took Pompey to safety...

 

Quite frankly I hope Pompey are expelled and Birmingham get a bye rather than us getting a second chance. That said 3 of Pompey's goalscorers really shouldn't have been playing in the first place... and any skate who thinks other wise is a retard..

[saintdaz]

spoke to a friend of mine who works at portsmouth last eve and he said that an offer is on the table for the club, but chenrai has only been offered 10 million and gaydamak 15 million and the mystery investor has said he would pay the debt to hmrc, apparently the stumbling block is that gaydamak has said he's not selling the area around fratton for less than 30 million and has said if the club is liquidated then he will still have the area around fratton and would then try and buy fratton for development purposes. he also said that with the price of land now on the increase that he's happy to sit on his investment in the knowledge that it could be worth 15/20% more in 2-3 years time.

so it does really seam that portsmouth are in a dire situation and if admin follows, who's gonna offer gaydamak the full 30 million he's after, bearing in mind the new owner would have purchased a club that will be starting next season in the championship.

[Foxstone]

spoke to a friend of mine who works at portsmouth last eve and he said that an offer is on the table for the club, but chenrai has only been offered 10 million and gaydamak 15 million and the mystery investor has said he would pay the debt to hmrc, apparently the stumbling block is that gaydamak has said he's not selling the area around fratton for less than 30 million and has said if the club is liquidated then he will still have the area around fratton and would then try and buy fratton for development purposes. he also said that with the price of land now on the increase that he's happy to sit on his investment in the knowledge that it could be worth 15/20% more in 2-3 years time.

so it does really seam that portsmouth are in a dire situation and if admin follows, who's gonna offer gaydamak the full 30 million he's after, bearing in mind the new owner would have purchased a club that will be starting next season in the championship.

 

Sounds feasible !

 

Sacha must maximise Daddy's return to pay off those nasty Capo's who he owes to.

 

Caveat Emptor Mr Storrie

[Junior Mullet]

Are you that sure....My understandimg is that if found to be insolvent, all transactions from the date of the winding up order (Oct), will be deemed to be illegal. Again, this is just my understanding!!

 

The transactions may be illegal from an insolvency law perpective so far as it relates to companies. There will indeed be serious legal consequneces if Pompey do go into admin or are wound up and all transactions since becoming insolvent should be looked into.

 

However, the signings in a footballing perspective were not illegal - they were properly sanctioned by the footballing authorities and as far as I know that is all that is required to then play the player in competitive footballing competitions.

 

If there was a footballing rule or a law of the land which made all signings illegal in the event that a club became insolvent/went into admin/were to be liquidated etc* and thus voiding the results of matches such players played in, we would have heard about it by now.

 

What others have said, is that player contracts may be terminated in the event of a winding up or non-payment of wages after (14 I think) days. This would not make the initial signing illegal nor would it void the results of matches already played.

 

Anyway, we have already seen from our own experiences how the footballing authorities are little more than gentlemens clubs who seem all too happy to change their rules to suit their desired outcome, so who bloody knows!!!

 

*take your pick!

[Matthew Le God]

spoke to a friend of mine who works at portsmouth last eve and he said that an offer is on the table for the club, but chenrai has only been offered 10 million and gaydamak 15 million and the mystery investor has said he would pay the debt to hmrc, apparently the stumbling block is that gaydamak has said he's not selling the area around fratton for less than 30 million and has said if the club is liquidated then he will still have the area around fratton and would then try and buy fratton for development purposes. he also said that with the price of land now on the increase that he's happy to sit on his investment in the knowledge that it could be worth 15/20% more in 2-3 years time.

so it does really seam that portsmouth are in a dire situation and if admin follows, who's gonna offer gaydamak the full 30 million he's after, bearing in mind the new owner would have purchased a club that will be starting next season in the championship.

 

No-one at Pompey bar the directors would have access to such information. Those directors would also have likely signed NDA's so this is likely to be ********, sorry.

[saintjay77]

The idiots at poopy have asked to sell players outside of the transfer window so it looks like the report that got handed in yesterday wasnt very positive on there part.

 

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11674_5957469,00.html

 

Just read the story and 3 of the players they are looking to sell all played against us in the FA cup I think so if the FA agree then would that not give us further grounds to apeal?

 

I cant see the FA letting them sell them or any other team supporting them either. The window was open and they had there chance, instead of offloading they chose to bring people in to add to there problems.

 

They look royally buggered to me.

Edited 18 February, 2010 by saintjay77

[Toomer]

I have just had a conversation with the MD of one of my customers who is a ST holder at Notarf, he told me that plans are already in place for a new form of PFC to ground share at West Leigh Park if it all ends in tears.

[Winchester Red]

So... Just the £35m for a championship side with a crap ground and no training facilities... Sounds like someones telling Storries!

[channonball]

They've just asked to be allowed to sell players outside the window. If allowed that would be a f***ing disgrace. Considering if they sold James and co. ahead of our cup game they may have lost.

 

It's on BBC website.

[Gingeletiss]

The transactions may be illegal from an insolvency law perpective so far as it relates to companies. There will indeed be serious legal consequneces if Pompey do go into admin or are wound up and all transactions since becoming insolvent should be looked into.

 

However, the signings in a footballing perspective were not illegal - they were properly sanctioned by the footballing authorities and as far as I know that is all that is required to then play the player in competitive footballing competitions.

 

If there was a footballing rule or a law of the land which made all signings illegal in the event that a club became insolvent/went into admin/were to be liquidated etc* and thus voiding the results of matches such players played in, we would have heard about it by now.

 

What others have said, is that player contracts may be terminated in the event of a winding up or non-payment of wages after (14 I think) days. This would not make the initial signing illegal nor would it void the results of matches already played.

 

Anyway, we have already seen from our own experiences how the footballing authorities are little more than gentlemens clubs who seem all too happy to change their rules to suit their desired outcome, so who bloody knows!!!

 

*take your pick!

 

It would if they were signed whilst the club was trading whilst insolvent.....the PL's own rules. So on a matter of law, they would be illegal, and on a matter of Premier League Rules, they would then be deemed to be illegal....that is how I read it

 

 

30-15;)

[thorpie the sinner]

It won't be allowed, it would open the floodgates! Administration must be looming!

[saintjay77]

It won't be allowed, it would open the floodgates! Administration must be looming!

 

Courts can decide on Administration not Poopy directors.

[Armitage Shanks]

They've just asked to be allowed to sell players outside the window. If allowed that would be a f***ing disgrace. Considering if they sold James and co. ahead of our cup game they may have lost.

 

It's on BBC website.

 

I agree. They bought players they couldn't afford and now want to offload them after the transfer window has shut all because they were greedy. Apparently its not up to the FA to allow them to do this but up to FIFA. If that's the case they will be well and truly ****ed because I am sure that FIFA would like to make an example of an English Club.

 

For them to even need to be asking for this confirms that they have no investment in place. They must be teetering on the edge now.

[Matthew Le God]

Seems there is already a precedent...

 

In April 1997, Hull City were allowed to sell Roy Carroll to Wigan Athletic for £350,000 even though the transfer deadline had passed. That money saved the Tigers from going out of business, though the goalkeeper was not permitted to play for the Latics that season.

[Sour Mash]

Seems there is already a precedent...

 

Even if the Premier League give them permission to sell players, who is going to pay a significant amount for any of their current players, especially if they can't play them until August! Even if they make a couple of million out of it, its still nowhere near enough.

[Window Cleaner]

I agree. They bought players they couldn't afford and now want to offload them after the transfer window has shut all because they were greedy. Apparently its not up to the FA to allow them to do this but up to FIFA. If that's the case they will be well and truly ****ed because I am sure that FIFA would like to make an example of an English Club.

 

For them to even need to be asking for this confirms that they have no investment in place. They must be teetering on the edge now.

 

 

 

I personally don't think it matters,as long as they sell us Belhadj that is.

[Junior Mullet]

It would if they were signed whilst the club was trading whilst insolvent.....the PL's own rules. So on a matter of law, they would be illegal, and on a matter of Premier League Rules, they would then be deemed to be illegal....that is how I read it

 

 

30-15;)

 

 

 

OK, I have reviewed the PL's rules and I cannot see anything to that effect. Sanctions only kick in once a club suffers a defined insolvency event ie admin or court making a winding up order. Perhaps you would let me know which of the PLs own rules you are referring to.

 

http://www.premierleague.com/staticFiles/c3/3b/0,,12306~146371,00.pdf

 

With regard to the post above about the mystery buyer, can you please give me his details because I have some magic beans and a few old cars I would liek to sell him. £15m to Chanrai and Gaydamack plus £12.1m to HMRC plus o/s wages plus all of the amounts o/s to other creditors seems an awful lot for a CCC club with very little in the way of assets or goodwill. Better off waiting for the club to be wound up or placed in admin and then buying it.

 

That said, perhaps this is what the buyer will want to do - reach an agreement in principle with the major creditors who together would go a fair way to giving him the 75% by value majority needed to pass a proposal to come out of admin, before the club goes into admin. Hmmm, now that sounds more likely but still it sounds like a lot of money. Better options for half the price me thinks.

[Junior Mullet]

Seems there is already a precedent...

 

There does indeed seem to be a difference between being able to 'sell' players and then 'register' them. I suspect the question Pompey would ask of the PL would be to allow the registration of any players they sell before the start of the summer window. That would be unprecedented.

 

Registration seems to be key, afterall which players would agree to be sold knowing that they would be sat in the stands until next season? James has already said he is making a play for the England jersey so I think we can rule him out. Surely it would be in the players' best interest to go at the end of the season or sooner on a free if the club is wound up.

 

Smacks of serious desperation if true.

[BARCELONASAINT]

I'm sorry but we got hit by the rule book so Pompey shut you whinging and either go bust or go into administration and still potentially go bust....either way i don't care.

[up and away]

There does indeed seem to be a difference between being able to 'sell' players and then 'register' them. I suspect the question Pompey would ask of the PL would be to allow the registration of any players they sell before the start of the summer window. That would be unprecedented.

 

Registration seems to be key, afterall which players would agree to be sold knowing that they would be sat in the stands until next season? James has already said he is making a play for the England jersey so I think we can rule him out. Surely it would be in the players' best interest to go at the end of the season or sooner on a free if the club is wound up.

 

Smacks of serious desperation if true.

 

Correct, registration is the key and the only way you can circumvent that would be to liquidate the club. With Pompey no longer, there is no registration issue and they can go to another club and play. May need to get exemption if already having played for two clubs this season, but that should not be a problem. Otherwise you are paying for a player that cannot be used in this country and who could possibly be available on a free any time soon. This could actually be the end unless they find a buyer.

[Ken Tone]

Correct, registration is the key and the only way you can circumvent that would be to liquidate the club. With Pompey no longer, there is no registration issue and they can go to another club and play. May need to get exemption if already having played for two clubs this season, but that should not be a problem. Otherwise you are paying for a player that cannot be used in this country and who could possibly be available on a free any time soon. This could actually be the end unless they find a buyer.

 

If the club is liquidated, then surely all its employment contracts are cancelled? If so all the players become free agents ..no transfer fees to pompey.

 

I was and still am, absolutely gobsmacked that they didn't have a firesale in the transfer window, and their signing of extra, new players just beggared belief.

 

As i see it either the premiership persuade hmrc that they wil get their money out of next year's parachute payments, or they're buggered.

 

K.

Edited 18 February, 2010 by Ken Tone

[saintmonkey1979]

If the club is liquidated, then surely all its employment contracts are cancelled? If so all the players become free agents ..no transfer fees to pompey.

 

I was and still am, absolutely gobsmacked that they didn't have a firesale in the transfer window, and their signing of extra, new players just beggared belief.

 

As i see it either the premiership persuade hmrc that they wil get their money out of next year's parachute payments, or they're buggered.

 

K.

 

Surely the PL shouldn't be getting involved between Pompey and HMRC.

[eelpie]

I am working at a site in Gosport at the moment and I am the only Saints fan there,most as you can well imagine are of the blue persuasion.

The conversation in the canteen this dinner time did make me laugh though. They are all very concerned that their club could be LIQUIDISED.

 

 

QUICK FISH SOUP

 

12 skate fillets (blue gills, crappies, etc.)

3 med. potatoes, cubed

1 med. onion, chopped

1 can cream of celery soup

1 tbsp. butter

[Saint_clark]

You know what? I've come to the conclusion that I would f*cking love it if they went under. They would still have a team in some shape or form anyway.

Let them die. Surely there is no other outcome?

[Torrent Of Abuse]

In answer to the OP.

 

We should appeal.

 

We should decline any request to play Brum so they get a bye.

 

However we should DEMAND that the prize money for Saturday is paid to us OR better into a charity for disadvantaged old footballers (such as the Kevin Moore fund)

 

+1

 

But also wipe all their FA Cup games this season from the history books - just as with the league. We have no right to get reinstated though. It's done.

[BarnetSaint]

i bet they get bought at the last minute.

Would most of their fans have any sympathy for us in this situation.

No way.

[northam soul]

Well if they are allowed to sell players then it stinks but there has to be someone willing to buy them ?

I would imagine should they get the go ahead then as per hull the players would not be able to play this season.

Can you imagine the legal challenges from other clubs if the blue few sold players now and then managed to somehow stay up.

They cannot go into admin now and i would of thought these accounts that have been filed to the court look pretty grim and with wages due again in a week or so time if they do get out of this then the FA / Premier league and the british justice system are a farce.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

If they go under I will be delighted. Don't care a bit about losing the local rivalry etc etc. Disenfranchise those knuckle dragging idiots and deprive them of their saturday afternoons ringing bells and behaving like ****s. The only issue would be identifying them so they couldn't try to come up here instead. Mind you Brad Pitt had an idea in that movie.....

[Daren W]

Well if they are allowed to sell players then it stinks but there has to be someone willing to buy them ?

I would imagine should they get the go ahead then as per hull the players would not be able to play this season.

Can you imagine the legal challenges from other clubs if the blue few sold players now and then managed to somehow stay up.

They cannot go into admin now and i would of thought these accounts that have been filed to the court look pretty grim and with wages due again in a week or so time if they do get out of this then the FA / Premier league and the british justice system are a farce.

 

Dan Walker on the BBC site hit the nail on the head when he said..

 

"Hull were interested in signing the same players as Portsmouth last summer - the likes of Frederic Piquionne and Aruna Dindane - but couldn't compete financially with Pompey when it came to both fees and wages.

 

If Portsmouth were then kept afloat with Premier League money - after spending beyond their means - how could that be fair on teams like Hull who might go down because they missed out on those players that went to Portsmouth even though they couldn't afford them?"

 

Now that raises a massive, massive point. Bigger than the Carlos Tevez scandal, if Pompey survive with players they shouldn't have been able to sign but have been able to by a Premier League desperate to maintain an image, could the team relegated sue the Premier league??

 

The way Pompey have been allowed to limp on far eclipses the Tevez scandal in so much as sooo much has been done by the powers that be to keep Pompey in business. Had it been the Championship or League 1 or 2 Pompey would be gone...

 

Oh sorry... that's next year...

[The9]

They ARE allowed to sell players, those players just can't play for the new club until next season because their registration can't be transferred until the window opens.

 

They wouldn't be able to be loaned back either...

...and should the Skates go into liquidation they'd all be available on frees and able to play for a new club immediately (except the ones who have already had two permanent clubs, and even those might be granted exemption in the circumstances of their club ceasing to exist).

 

So who the hell is going to buy those players - and why have the Skates even asked for special dispensation ? It can only be to claim "they're trying everything they can" for PR purposes when their court case comes up.

 

Not sure what grounds other clubs have to sue unless the Prem just grants the Skates money - but if they, do their member clubs will be queueing up outside the courts for compensation.

 

Long and short of it at the moment is it looks like that 5th owner bloke claiming he needs 30 days due diligence might get them another month on March 1st - or it might not.

Edited 19 February, 2010 by The9

[Foxy]

They ARE allowed to sell players, those players just can't play for the new club until next season because their registration can't be transferred until the window opens.

 

They wouldn't be able to be loaned back either...

...and should the Skates go into liquidation they'd all be available on frees and able to play for a new club immediately (except the ones who have already had two permanent clubs, and even those might be granted exemption in the circumstances of their club ceasing to exist).

 

So who the hell is going to buy those players - and why have the Skates even asked for special dispensation ? It can only be to claim "they're trying everything they can" for PR purposes when their court case comes up.

 

Not sure what grounds other clubs have to sue unless the Prem just grants the Skates money - but if they, do their member clubs will be queueing up outside the courts for compensation.

 

Long and short of it at the moment is it looks like that 5th owner bloke claiming he needs 30 days due diligence might get them another month on March 1st - or it might not.

 

Not sure the 3 clubs rule would apply to players Pompey bought during Jan window as if they cease to exist and were removed from the records for this season I would imagine that playing for them wouldn't count either.

 

As an aside, wouldn't it be annoying for players at other clubs having appearance and win bonuses clawed back if the games v Pompey were declared void?

[The9]

Not sure the 3 clubs rule would apply to players Pompey bought during Jan window as if they cease to exist and were removed from the records for this season I would imagine that playing for them wouldn't count either.

 

As an aside, wouldn't it be annoying for players at other clubs having appearance and win bonuses clawed back if the games v Pompey were declared void?

 

They'd still have played Cup games... well, one cup game in the case of O'Hara, Quincy etc. which would mean they counted towards the 3 club rule. Again, I suspect it's a matter of registration held, not actual appearances. You could be banned without even playing.

 

Somehow I don't think the win bonus thing would happen... on an unrelated note, Skates should be glad Utaka's not getting his win bonus much (that must be the difference in his weekly wage and his imagined wage).

[alpine_saint]

Dan Walker on the BBC site hit the nail on the head when he said..

 

"Hull were interested in signing the same players as Portsmouth last summer - the likes of Frederic Piquionne and Aruna Dindane - but couldn't compete financially with Pompey when it came to both fees and wages.

 

If Portsmouth were then kept afloat with Premier League money - after spending beyond their means - how could that be fair on teams like Hull who might go down because they missed out on those players that went to Portsmouth even though they couldn't afford them?"

 

Now that raises a massive, massive point. Bigger than the Carlos Tevez scandal, if Pompey survive with players they shouldn't have been able to sign but have been able to by a Premier League desperate to maintain an image, could the team relegated sue the Premier league??

 

The way Pompey have been allowed to limp on far eclipses the Tevez scandal in so much as sooo much has been done by the powers that be to keep Pompey in business. Had it been the Championship or League 1 or 2 Pompey would be gone...

 

Oh sorry... that's next year...

 

An excellent post as usual.

 

The Pompey situation has so many "cause-and-effect" consequences, it begins to resemble an episode of Star Trek. It seems the best thing for the health of football is just put the damned old, incontinent, blind dog of a club it is out of its misery.

 

EDIT : Oh, And David "Dildo" Gold's intervention in the Sun this morning has done Poopey's case more harm than good, in my opinion.

Edited 19 February, 2010 by alpine_saint

[The9]

EDIT : Oh, And David Gold's intervention in the Sun this morning has done Poopey's case more harm than good, in my opinion.

 

Any details ? I seem to recall him coming down on the side of clubs in financial trouble getting bailed out by the Prem (no shock, when it would be free money for him) a few days ago, but he also has a vested interest because West Ham lose 6 points if the Skates disappear, throwing them back into the bottom two of the remaining 19.

 

He must think they're better off with those points and one relegation place all but tied up anyway.

[alpine_saint]

Any details ? I seem to recall him coming down on the side of clubs in financial trouble getting bailed out by the Prem (no shock, when it would be free money for him) a few days ago, but he also has a vested interest because West Ham lose 6 points if the Skates disappear, throwing them back into the bottom two of the remaining 19.

 

He must think they're better off with those points and one relegation place all but tied up anyway.

 

He's offering to lend Pompey money (provided the PL underwrite it, which means no risk for him - how bizarre...) simply because his club are pretty well f**ked if Pompey are wound up and their results nullified.

 

Another reason for wanting Pompey wound up. WHU should have been relegated in favour of Sheffield Utd during that Tevez affair.

[thorpie the sinner]

According to BBC, Fifa are agreeing to PFC request to sell players, on yellow ticker tape!! What a total farce..................****in disgrace!!!!

[The9]

According to BBC, Fifa are agreeing to PFC request to sell players, on yellow ticker tape!! What a total farce..................****in disgrace!!!!

 

According to FIFA's rules they are able to sell players at any point, but those players won't be able to play for anyone else until the transfer window opens.

 

They've ALWAYS been able to sell players at any time and I'm not sure why they even asked - but the question is, will FIFA now allow those players to play for other teams by waiving the registration rules - which is clearly wrong.

 

The other thing is no-one will want to pay for them if they'll be free if the Skates go bust anyway - and a lot of their players are loans.

 

Some have also already played for 2 teams this season...

[The9]

Looks like FIFA may be waiving the registration rules then...

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/8522283.stm

 

Frankly this makes a mockery of the entire competition. Why would any club now adhere to the transfer window rules ?

 

EDIT : Though to be fair there's a big leap between "FIFA looking favourably on a request to do something they are already allowed to do" and the assumption in the BBC article (as of now) that that will allow players to play for other teams in the Prem.

 

Grabbing the text before they update it :

Fifa could support Portsmouth request to sell players

 

The Fratton Park club survived a winding-up order last week

Fifa has indicated they will look favourably on Portsmouth's request to sell players outside of the transfer window, BBC Sport understands.

 

Pompey have debts of about £60m and are due in court on 1 March to contest a winding-up order by Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs.

 

The Premier League will ask the other 19 clubs before making a decision.

 

It is likely any players sold would only be allowed to play in the Premier league, not any other competitions.

 

Edited 19 February, 2010 by The9