Thedelldays Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 we will lose... and people will make more excuses for the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Monkey Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 we will lose... and people will make more excuses for the team Yeah. Like 'we lost to the best team in the league.' Defeatest w*nkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 we will lose... and people will make more excuses for the team surely if we lose against the best team in the division, the manner of the performance will matter. if we play well, will you concede that's OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 I think most of this thread shows the nervousness around the place. Sometimes it works (1st half vs. Pompey) sometimes it doesn't (Stockport), but we are still at a loss what it is that leads to one or another. We just don't know what Saints team is going to come out on that pitch in canaryland. The team needs confidence around it, but it isn't there. Expressions of over confidence isn't going to solve this one. I, for one, need to have more of an idea of the direction we travel in. The Pompey game showed that we have the will to fight, but I'm still not any clearer. What it looks like is that we are going to play 4-4-2 in exactly the same way as everybody else, but we are going to have better players doing it. If that is it I'm not impressed. For every promotion we will have to have better players than the rest. I doubt that works in CCC and certainly not in the PL. We just won't have enough money to buy ourselves a new and better team each year. The creative box needs opening, but does AP know how? In the meantime I really hope that we'll beat Norwich to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 We have played Norwich twice at home this season and they were games befitting a higher league. If we can play as well as we did in those games for the full 90 minutes it will be a close game but Norwich look like the Champions now. If we beat them on their own ground Pardew will be able to sleep easy for a few weeks. For me, I predict a 2-0 loss but a recovery in fortunes thereafter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 I'd like to think we'll turn on the style a bit now. Pardew knows we need league results and the players have no other competitions to distract them (the JPT final is booked and a way off). You can't get much tougher than Norwich away, but equally we need to be sending out the message that you can't get much tougher than playing the Saints. We are going to win. 2-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordshire_saint Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 Are you kidding? How many times have you seen him play? Ive seen him away at Millwall, Brentford and Exeter and at home against Stockport which I think are all the games he has played, and frankly, he's a liability. He's no nonsence, granted, but he's horribly one footed which puts him under pressure a lot, he has a 50p head and the ball can literally go anywhere off it, and for a big guy, he loses far too many aerial battles than he should. Millwall was especially bad for that - their equaliser came from him not dealing with a long ball, but I promise you that wasn't the only time that happened that day. I don't like being critical of players, especially new signings, but at the moment, he's just not up to it and I really hope he's not in the team on Saturday. I went to Millwall and Brentford and I have to agree. You get the impression that we signed him purely on the fact that he's young and left footed. He had his good moments but outweighed by the amount of mistakes. Fonte and Jaidi would be my choice this weekend, let Jaidi have the physical war with Grant Holt and hopefully Fonte can track Chris Martin's movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 Play like we did the first hour against Portsmouth we have a real chance. Play like we did the first hour against Stockport we have no chance. Really, lets hope the easy chances fall to Lambert and not Waigo but it will be the latter as Ricky doesn't have the pace to get in there and sieze the chance and can no longer be our fox in the box because he is taking all the set pieces. Can't wait for the day Emile Heskey starts taking corners for the Villa, still I suppose we have the deadly Jaidi to get on the end of a Lambert corner. Pardew has a few issues to sort out before we can be confident of getting even a draw at Norwich but perhaps he has a game plan to do just that but if he plays the same starting 11 as for Pompey then we will get well beat. Waigo on the bench for starters replaced by Puncheon in a 4-5-1 and I would also keep Thomas at RB - the rest of the back four I am undecided as to what is our best line up. In CM, Hammond remains a major concern. I think he is being rushed back before he is really ready or maybe just taking time to get back in his stride. Either way some honesty or effort is required but at his best he is irreplaceable and one of our two CB signing should have been sacrificed for the signing of a Hammond MkII. Best case we could be 7pts from relegation on Saturday evening worst case 1pt. Anyone consider the play offs a realistic ambition this season? Lets be honest it never was apart from a brief flirtation before we failed to beat Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 5-1 away win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 I can't help feeling it's win or bust for us this weekend, anything other than 3 points and the very unlikely will become pretty much impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 Waigo on the bench for starters replaced by Puncheon in a 4-5-1 and I would also keep Thomas at RB - the rest of the back four I am undecided as to what is our best line up. In CM, Hammond remains a major concern. I think he is being rushed back before he is really ready or maybe just taking time to get back in his stride. Either way some honesty or effort is required but at his best he is irreplaceable and one of our two CB signing should have been sacrificed for the signing of a Hammond MkII. Hammond wasn't exactly brilliant before his injury, he had a few games after he joined us where he looked brilliant but tailed off quite quickly. As soon as we switched to 4-4-2 he looked out of place and seemed to spend too much time defending and not getting into the final third. I think we should be looking for someone to compliment Schneiderlin rather than Hammond. Not really sure what sort of midfielder we're going to go for in the summer, will depend on whether Pardew can decide on a formation. Personally I think we should go 4-5-1 and sign a top draw holding midfielder and them rotate Puncheon, Lallana, Schneiderlin and Hammond as the two in front with Lloyd James the utility man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 we will lose... and people will make more excuses for the team That's the boring thing about football, it's so predictable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 Massive game. Much more important than the Pompey match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 Hopefully we can get the league form back on track, I think we can get a draw on Sat I'm going for 2-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 Brighton v Norwich last weekend, Brighton were 1 up until the last 10 minutes when Norwich got two late goals. Saints are no Brighton, and the team should be stronger this week with the cup-tied players back in the squad. Predicting an away win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 I went to Millwall and Brentford and I have to agree. You get the impression that we signed him purely on the fact that he's young and left footed. He had his good moments but outweighed by the amount of mistakes. Fonte and Jaidi would be my choice this weekend, let Jaidi have the physical war with Grant Holt and hopefully Fonte can track Chris Martin's movement. Interesting that Alan Pardew, Dean Wilkins and Walley Downes have also seen Seaborne play - more often than any fan, and they obviously like his play or he wouldn't be in the team, but what do they know - they're only football professionals whereas the fan on the terrace obviously knows better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordshire_saint Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 Interesting that Alan Pardew, Dean Wilkins and Walley Downes have also seen Seaborne play - more often than any fan, and they obviously like his play or he wouldn't be in the team, but what do they know - they're only football professionals whereas the fan on the terrace obviously knows better. So basically unless you're employed in the game, your opinion is null and void? Pardew and the coaches may not have said anything publicly, but they aren't stupid and I'm sure they have had/are having words with Seaborne about the flaws in his play. He may prove a decent signing in the long run, but if you saw him at the two games I have, you wouldn't be able to make any other conclusion than that he is a very limited defender. He has his good points, he's a big strong lad and he's brave to boot, but on the flipside his positional sense looked dodgy, his passing was poor and he seemed to have lapses in concentration. A fine example of a typical lower-league defender if ever there was one. I hope I'm proved wrong, but you have to realise managers and coaches aren't immune from judgement errors. This is a forum and therefore opinions will be put forth, if you consider the concept of people who aren't employed in football giving their thoughts on players to be worthless, then perhaps this isn't the place for you. For what it's worth, I'm not just one of these people who loves to get on a player's back, for example I believe a lot of the stick Lloyd James gets on here is harsh, but if you watch Seaborne play then you'll see most of what peolple are saying is justified. Of course he deserves time, but what I've put above is my opinion of him so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 We will lose........ then people will start slitting their wrists and calling for APs head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 We will lose........ then people will start slitting their wrists and calling for APs head. You know Mr Cortese well then...? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 Interesting that Alan Pardew, Dean Wilkins and Walley Downes have also seen Seaborne play - more often than any fan, and they obviously like his play or he wouldn't be in the team, but what do they know - they're only football professionals whereas the fan on the terrace obviously knows better. Or Managers and Coaches live and die by the success of their signings and dropping one of their January signings now would heap additional pressure on Pardew and the team following Cortese's recent comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunty Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 Have 4 spaces left on our minibus if anyone needs a space, £20 each, departing from Shirley at 0730, in the pub by midday!. email me at shelterandshade@yahoo.co.uk . Leave your phone number and I'll call you back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 I can see this being a high-scoring game for some reason. I'm going for 3-3. I think it will be a goalfest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 I can see this being a high-scoring game for some reason. I'm going for 3-3. I think it will be a goalfest! Hows about a repeat of the famous 5-4 win there with a hat trick from our new #7 shirted hero Rickie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodymatt Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 im going with 0-0, cancel each other out and Waigo will miss from 6 yards... AGAIN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 Since returning from his injury Hammond looked back to his best for me. Not sure who i'm replying too, just saw someone questioning him further up the page! Just remember how little we had in midfield against Exeter when he was out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 The form book says we are going to lose......but I have a sneaky feeling that this is going to be the start of our great run and that we are going to win by at least a couple of goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncoboy Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 I think we will get tonked. 3-1 I think we have kind of lost our way. There is a real danger we end up in the lower half of the table by the end of the season. They need to get some kind of a result on Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 I think we will get tonked. 3-1 I think we have kind of lost our way. There is a real danger we end up in the lower half of the table by the end of the season. They need to get some kind of a result on Saturday Based on what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 im going with 0-0, cancel each other out and Waigo will miss from 6 yards... AGAIN! A bit generous, he will lift it over the bar from 3 yards out with only himself to beat. Still the rest of the game he will be a threat and a great foil to Lambert except when the latter is taking all our set pieces and Papa will unsettle the Norwich defenders with his unusual attempts at beating the offsed trap. Get so far forward he is outside the line of the lino's vision. Norwich to win 1-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 A bit generous, he will lift it over the bar from 3 yards out with only himself to beat. Still the rest of the game he will be a threat and a great foil to Lambert except when the latter is taking all our set pieces and Papa will unsettle the Norwich defenders with his unusual attempts at beating the offsed trap. Get so far forward he is outside the line of the lino's vision. Norwich to win 1-0. Pardew, Liebherr, Cortese, Waigo, Lambert, Jaidi, Downes, Luker, Scudamore, SteveGrant, Alpine and Le Tissier out then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 Booked my tickets just now. Last 2 away games I went to were Leeds and Colchester. I sure know how to pick 'em... Looking forward to this though. The odds might be stacked against us, but if we play like we did in the first half against MKD and Pompey, we could get something. Strongest team available now we're out the cup and the JPT final isn't for another month. For me that's: Bart Thomas - Fonte - Jaidi - Harding Waigo - Lallana - Hammond - Puncheon Lambert - Barnard Although I suspect Pardew will start with Antonio, Semi, Seaborne and Davis instead of Thomas, Jaidi, Barnard and Bart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 Booked my tickets just now. Last 2 away games I went to were Leeds and Colchester. I sure know how to pick 'em... Looking forward to this though. The odds might be stacked against us, but if we play like we did in the first half against MKD and Pompey, we could get something. Strongest team available now we're out the cup and the JPT final isn't for another month. For me that's: Bart Thomas - Fonte - Jaidi - Harding Waigo - Lallana - Hammond - Puncheon Lambert - Barnard Although I suspect Pardew will start with Antonio, Semi, Seaborne and Davis instead of Thomas, Jaidi, Barnard and Bart Pardew won't drop Schneiderlin as he is one of Saints best players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 A bit generous, he will lift it over the bar from 3 yards out with only himself to beat. Still the rest of the game he will be a threat and a great foil to Lambert except when the latter is taking all our set pieces and Papa will unsettle the Norwich defenders with his unusual attempts at beating the offsed trap. Get so far forward he is outside the line of the lino's vision. Norwich to win 1-0. ****ing hell when you get on your soap box you really like to beat an idea to death don't you. I think we all now know you don't rate Papa so why not give it a rest:smt102 Which of our many EPL quaility strikers would you like AP to play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodymatt Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 i want to see puncheon playing left mid! where he can get his jog on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 Don't see anything to suggest that Barnard is good enough for us, I'd muh rather bring in Schniederlin or Antonio for him. Can't believe you've ignored Schneiderlin completely I must watch a differnt game to most fans he would be my first midfielder on the team sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 Hopefully a good game as both teams will be going for the win, and what with the trains all being wonky we deserve to see a decent 90 minutes for making the extra effort to get there from Southampton. Sadly I think they'll be too good for us, hoping Jaidi plays alongside Fonte to use their experience in combating Holt. Hammond's gonna have his work cut out with Hoolahan too. 3-2 to them, but we'll always be playing catch up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 i want to see puncheon playing left mid! where he can get his jog on... Then what happens to Lallana? We've actually got to the state where we seem to have enough good players to cover most postions twice which must make APs team selection a lot harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 Isn't the thread title build UP!? I deplore the negativity displayed here...you know who you are. Of course we may always get beaten but we've played two cracking 2-2 draws with them this season & never looked outclassed...the league match we should have won in 90 minutes & we've strengthened the side since, only lost once in 2010 (can't remember who it was it was that important!). Those knocking Papa Waigo...count the 'kin goals he has scored against Norwich this season...worth his place on bench or pitch whatever suits our management's plans on the day because they'll be sh*t scared he'll do them again! No predictions from me on score but they aren't a lot better than we are...nor were Leeds, nor were er, er that other team whose significance leads me to reject their name. This is not being happy-clappy - more glass half full & appreciating the talent we have at our disposal - well capable of getting something from this game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 Don't see anything to suggest that Barnard is good enough for us, I'd muh rather bring in Schniederlin or Antonio for him. Can't believe you've ignored Schneiderlin completely I must watch a differnt game to most fans he would be my first midfielder on the team sheet.Really? How many goals does he have? How many assists does he have? How come our midfield central is not contributing enough? I like Schneiderlin. I think he is a cultured player and can pass well but he is not producing the flair/pace/opportunities that someone of his class should, week in, week out. Why, I have no idea. Certainly prefer him over James, Gillett and Mills but not at the expense of Hammond, Lallana or Puncheon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 I think the main problem with our midfield is due to us playing a rigid 442, whenever we play with five across the middle we boss games, our midfielders get into goal scoring positions and the wingers get far more involved. Play Lallana, Hammond, Schneiderlin, Puncheon and Antonio or Papa together for an extended period and we will start getting the best out of our midfield. Hammond and Schniederlin both play far too deep when we play 442 it's not a huge problem when we play good sides (they both looked great on Saturday) but when it's against an average league one side we shouldn't be so negative and one of them should be getting forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 I think the main problem with our midfield is due to us playing a rigid 442, whenever we play with five across the middle we boss games, our midfielders get into goal scoring positions and the wingers get far more involved. Play Lallana, Hammond, Schneiderlin, Puncheon and Antonio or Papa together for an extended period and we will start getting the best out of our midfield. Hammond and Schniederlin both play far too deep when we play 442 it's not a huge problem when we play good sides (they both looked great on Saturday) but when it's against an average league one side we shouldn't be so negative and one of them should be getting forward.Fair points well made. I agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 Pardew won't drop Schneiderlin as he is one of Saints best players. There's quite a lot of quality there. I didn't want to drop Morgan, but 5 just doesn't go into 4 and I don't much fancy 4-5-1. I've looked at that line-up again, and out of the front 6 I can't think of any of them I'd drop for Morgan. Waigo - Need his pace. Hammond - Need his leadership. Lallana - In great form at the moment Puncheon - Yet to see him play, but I've heard people claim he is the best wide midfielder in League 1. Lambert - Well obviously Barnard - Haven't seen the best from him yet, but he has a great scoring record this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 I can't help feeling it's win or bust for us this weekend, anything other than 3 points and the very unlikely will become pretty much impossible. I feel our attention will swiftly turn to the drop zone rather than the top zone if we lose. Could be touching distance of it by Saturday afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintrich Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 I'm working this Saturday and the last time I worked a Saturday we won 6-0 at Wolves, hopefully a repeat.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 Pardew, Liebherr, Cortese, Waigo, Lambert, Jaidi, Downes, Luker, Scudamore, SteveGrant, Alpine and Le Tissier out then. Your list updated below - you seem to confuse the action of questioning / understanding reasoning for actions as a wish to remove someone. My world is not quite as black and white as yours Clarky. In fact your list is highly questionable and tenuous at best. Waigo and Le Tissier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 I feel our attention will swiftly turn to the drop zone rather than the top zone if we lose. Could be touching distance of it by Saturday afternoon. Totally agree. We are far too close to the relegation zone for comfort. I having been saying so for some weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 ****ing hell when you get on your soap box you really like to beat an idea to death don't you. I think we all now know you don't rate Papa so why not give it a rest:smt102 Which of our many EPL quaility strikers would you like AP to play? Lambert in a 4 5 1 with Puncheon on the left Antonio on the right and Lallana in the hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 There's quite a lot of quality there. I didn't want to drop Morgan, but 5 just doesn't go into 4 and I don't much fancy 4-5-1. I've looked at that line-up again, and out of the front 6 I can't think of any of them I'd drop for Morgan. Waigo - Need his pace. Hammond - Need his leadership. Lallana - In great form at the moment Puncheon - Yet to see him play, but I've heard people claim he is the best wide midfielder in League 1. Lambert - Well obviously Barnard - Haven't seen the best from him yet, but he has a great scoring record this season. Would be nice to see a team like that but I can't see Pardew being so attacking, I think our front six on Saturday will probably be Lallana and Puncheon wide, Schneiderlin and Hammond in the middle with Waigo and Lambert upfront. Not what I would pick but what I think Pardew will go with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 Totally agree. We are far too close to the relegation zone for comfort. I having been saying so for some weeks. Don't be stupid. Saints would need to pick up less than 16 points from the last 18 games for that to happen. Do you seriously believe Saints will lose roughly 12 of the last 18 games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 February, 2010 Share Posted 18 February, 2010 Don't be stupid. Saints would need to pick up less than 16 points from the last 18 games for that to happen. Do you seriously believe Saints will lose roughly 12 of the last 18 games? well, we have no right to beat anyone..so why not..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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