Thedelldays Posted 15 February, 2010 Share Posted 15 February, 2010 I read today a proposed idea that 4th-7th in the prem would contest for the last CL spot in a playoff... would be a good idea IMO..feck me..we could finish 7th when back in the prem.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Alert Posted 15 February, 2010 Share Posted 15 February, 2010 I read today a proposed idea that 4th-7th in the prem would contest for the last CL spot in a playoff... would be a good idea IMO..feck me..we could finish 7th when back in the prem.. Not keen to be honest, sounds like they are just trying to stop people going on about the "big 4". Would rather it go to the Champions of the FA Cup myself. But then if that was won by a team in the top 3 places give it to the 4th league side, not the runners up of the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 February, 2010 Share Posted 15 February, 2010 Fantastic idea. Would instantly make the prem more exciting. I would love the likes of everton to get in the champions league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Alert Posted 15 February, 2010 Share Posted 15 February, 2010 I already consider it a joke that you can finish 4th to get in to the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE let alone come 7th Liverpool are always in it, and have enev won it without winning the domestic league for however many years it is now. Look at some European countries that dont even guarantee you a place in the group stages even if you win your domestic league - yes they may not be as good, but at least they are Champions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 15 February, 2010 Share Posted 15 February, 2010 I already consider it a joke that you can finish 4th to get in to the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE let alone come 7th Liverpool are always in it, and have enev won it without winning the domestic league for however many years it is now. Look at some European countries that dont even guarantee you a place in the group stages even if you win your domestic league - yes they may not be as good, but at least they are Champions. If it was just the Champions in the Champs League, ever season it would be Man Utd, Barca, Inter (or whoever happens to win those respective leagues) and then who? Hertha BSC, Sparta Praha, Dynamo Kiev, Red Star Belgrade, Malmo IF? Wouldn't be a great competition IMO. I like the idea actually. It gives the team in 4th extra incentive to get into the top three. It also gives anyone in the top half a shot at the CL. Who knows, it may even help with some of the financial problems in football. The big clubs may not offer players £150k a week if they were suddenly less sure of getting into the CL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 15 February, 2010 Share Posted 15 February, 2010 If it was just the Champions in the Champs League, ever season it would be Man Utd, Barca, Inter (or whoever happens to win those respective leagues) and then who? Hertha BSC, Sparta Praha, Dynamo Kiev, Red Star Belgrade, Malmo IF? Wouldn't be a great competition IMO. I like the idea actually. It gives the team in 4th extra incentive to get into the top three. It also gives anyone in the top half a shot at the CL. Who knows, it may even help with some of the financial problems in football. The big clubs may not offer players £150k a week if they were suddenly less sure of getting into the CL. + 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Alert Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 If it was just the Champions in the Champs League, ever season it would be Man Utd, Barca, Inter (or whoever happens to win those respective leagues) and then who? Hertha BSC, Sparta Praha, Dynamo Kiev, Red Star Belgrade, Malmo IF? Wouldn't be a great competition IMO. I like the idea actually. It gives the team in 4th extra incentive to get into the top three. It also gives anyone in the top half a shot at the CL. Who knows, it may even help with some of the financial problems in football. The big clubs may not offer players £150k a week if they were suddenly less sure of getting into the CL. Whilst I agree with this I feel I need to ask what would be so bad about this? Then teams like Hertha, Sparta and Malmo could gain the huge financial rewards for getting into the group stages of the CL. When the new rules about the number of foreign players comes into effect then these teams will have to buy players from thier own country thus spreading out this vast wealth through the league in that country. Given a few years to really take effect this would then allow teams from the Czech Rep, Slovenia, Poland etc to compete in the competition. Can you honestly say you would prefer 4 English teams, 3 Spanish, 2 Italians 1 other getting to the quater finals rather than seeing the likes of Red Star, Dynamo Kiev and Anderlecht(sp?) being the forces that they used to be? That to me would make a more entertaining competition. Anyway, thats maybe slightly off point. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 Not sure when they'd hold the playoffs. It's not impossible to imagine that a team would go into these playoffs who had also reached the Champions League final for the current season. If they were also in the FA cup final, that could cause a lot of congestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 Whilst I agree with this I feel I need to ask what would be so bad about this? Then teams like Hertha, Sparta and Malmo could gain the huge financial rewards for getting into the group stages of the CL. When the new rules about the number of foreign players comes into effect then these teams will have to buy players from thier own country thus spreading out this vast wealth through the league in that country. Given a few years to really take effect this would then allow teams from the Czech Rep, Slovenia, Poland etc to compete in the competition. Can you honestly say you would prefer 4 English teams, 3 Spanish, 2 Italians 1 other getting to the quater finals rather than seeing the likes of Red Star, Dynamo Kiev and Anderlecht(sp?) being the forces that they used to be? That to me would make a more entertaining competition. Anyway, thats maybe slightly off point. Sorry. It would be nice from that point of view, but it would ruin the CL as a competition. Whilst I don't have a problem with any of those teams and actually support Dynami Kiev, I do think we need the big teams who don't win the Leagues to keep that international appeal. Arsenal for example of hundred of thousands of glory sup... sorry fans, world wide. They would not have qualified for the CL for six years and counting. Liverpool for nigh-on 20. If you take away the support, the competition becomes less valuable to sponsors and TV companies. The financial rewards would decrease to the point where they might aswell just be in the Europa League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mase Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 I’d also like to see the winner of the FA Cup get in. It could be done as every country has an equivalent. Could you imagine how much more seriously teams would take it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Alert Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 It would be nice from that point of view, but it would ruin the CL as a competition. Whilst I don't have a problem with any of those teams and actually support Dynami Kiev, I do think we need the big teams who don't win the Leagues to keep that international appeal. Arsenal for example of hundred of thousands of glory sup... sorry fans, world wide. They would not have qualified for the CL for six years and counting. Liverpool for nigh-on 20. If you take away the support, the competition becomes less valuable to sponsors and TV companies. The financial rewards would decrease to the point where they might aswell just be in the Europa League. A good point well made. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 Only someone who has only watched football since 2002 could possibly think this is a good idea, and returning it to a proper Champion's League is bad. I'm sick and tired of watching the same boring "big" clubs over and over again, but this proposal just "solves" that problem in totally the wrong way. Still, football is now a game for the sky tv generation, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 Initially I thought this was a bad idea, but one of the dildo sellers at West Ham made a good point. Everyone was anti play offs for promotions when that idea was first mooted, yet this has turned out to be a great idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 It would be nice from that point of view, but it would ruin the CL as a competition. Whilst I don't have a problem with any of those teams and actually support Dynami Kiev, I do think we need the big teams who don't win the Leagues to keep that international appeal. Arsenal for example of hundred of thousands of glory sup... sorry fans, world wide. They would not have qualified for the CL for six years and counting. Liverpool for nigh-on 20. If you take away the support, the competition becomes less valuable to sponsors and TV companies. The financial rewards would decrease to the point where they might aswell just be in the Europa League. The European Cup worked perfectly well for decades before it became the Champions' League in the 90s. The CL is only as it is as the cartel of 'big clubs' the G14 threatened UEFA with breakaway if they didn't have their way. Juventus' attendances are terrible. Celtic's are brilliant (as are many of the German clubs, who have more fans than most Premier League and La Liga sides). Does Juve being in there ahead of any of those clubs cheapen the competition? Was it bad when the Ajax were winning it? No. I have always wondered though how the name "Champions League" would stand up against a complaint under the Trade Descriptions Act though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 Personally, I would rathr they did one of two things either; only the actual Champions qualify for a prper knockout trophy or, the big 4/5 bugger off altogether and form their elitist euro-super league. I can't stand the current set up and have not watched a match for years, it is a terrible competition imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2010 Personally, I would rathr they did one of two things either; only the actual Champions qualify for a prper knockout trophy or, the big 4/5 bugger off altogether and form their elitist euro-super league. I can't stand the current set up and have not watched a match for years, it is a terrible competition imho. the big 4 go away...for only another big 4 to form and want "in" to the euro super league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkiptanui Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 Fantastic idea. Would instantly make the prem more exciting. I would love the likes of everton to get in the champions leagueYeh I wuld just love to see that horrible c*nting club in the champions league, yu forgotten Adrian heath, greame Sharp?? oh and andy gray but I d think it's a good idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 Only someone who has only watched football since 2002 could possibly think this is a good idea, and returning it to a proper Champion's League is bad. I'm sick and tired of watching the same boring "big" clubs over and over again, but this proposal just "solves" that problem in totally the wrong way. Still, football is now a game for the sky tv generation, I suppose. Once again, I must appologise for my date of birth. I shall give my parents a good slap on your behalf. Where did 2002 come from anyway, or do you just blindly believe anything Rory says? The European Cup worked perfectly well for decades before it became the Champions' League in the 90s. The CL is only as it is as the cartel of 'big clubs' the G14 threatened UEFA with breakaway if they didn't have their way. Juventus' attendances are terrible. Celtic's are brilliant (as are many of the German clubs, who have more fans than most Premier League and La Liga sides). Does Juve being in there ahead of any of those clubs cheapen the competition? Was it bad when the Ajax were winning it? No. I have always wondered though how the name "Champions League" would stand up against a complaint under the Trade Descriptions Act though... An interesting and far more intelligent point of view. A few years ago Borussia Dortmund had some of the highest attendances in Europe. This article is from 2003 (sh*t sorry Bungle): http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2003/nov/02/newsstory.sport5 This despite the fact that they have barely had an impact on the Champions League since they won it in 1997 (there, feel better now?). Kiev on the other hand struggle to get 5,000 in most League games, but could pack out the 83,000 Olympiskiy stadium before it was closed for redevelopment. The European Cup was and is a far better name IMO. We've covered the "champions" issue, but it is scarcely a league either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 If it was just the Champions in the Champs League, ever season it would be Man Utd, Barca, Inter (or whoever happens to win those respective leagues) and then who? Hertha BSC, Sparta Praha, Dynamo Kiev, Red Star Belgrade, Malmo IF? Wouldn't be a great competition IMO. . Rubbish.The European Cup functioned very well for nearly forty years before the ultimate greed of the 'champions' league took root. It was probably more exciting even if less lucrative. Personally, I would rathr they did one of two things either; only the actual Champions qualify for a prper knockout trophy or, the big 4/5 bugger off altogether and form their elitist euro-super league. I can't stand the current set up and have not watched a match for years, it is a terrible competition imho. Totally agree . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 Rubbish.The European Cup functioned very well for nearly forty years before the ultimate greed of the 'champions' league took root. It was probably more exciting even if less lucrative. That was before money ruined football. It wasn't the change to the 'Champions League' which is the problem. It's the massive increase in wages and transfer fees since the turn of the centuary. As recently as the 90s we had teams like Ajax, Dortmund and Red Star winning. Since then Porto is the only "lesser" team to have won it. If we revert to a 'champions only' format, every year will be a three horse race between the winners of the English, Spannish and Italian leagues. We would miss out on ties like Arsenal against Real Madrid, in favour of Malmo IF vs Hajduk Spilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 Yeh I wuld just love to see that horrible c*nting club in the champions league, yu forgotten Adrian heath, greame Sharp?? oh and andy gray but I d think it's a good idea I was talking about clubs who are trying to do things on a relatively sensibe financial budget. Not specifically Everton but not the likes of the skates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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