Sour Mash Posted 15 February, 2010 Share Posted 15 February, 2010 Fact is if people know about the rivalry -its less because people know about the historical enmity between the two cities than their knowledge of the 6.57 and the bulls*t mythology that's been peddled to sell a few books. In other words, we have the blue few to thank for elevating the rivalry in the rest of the country's consciousness! Wouldn't agree without that at all either. Plenty of bods in the office I work in were well aware of how big the draw was and they wouldn't even have heard of the 6.57 or even have much knowledge of football, just know that us v the skates is "one of those games". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 February, 2010 Share Posted 15 February, 2010 Care to give me examples of other derbies which have more history... when I say history, I mean pure dislike for the other town as well as the football team. Derby and Nottingham, Swansea and Cardiff, Wolverhampton and West Bromwich, Burnley and Blackburn. Next question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 15 February, 2010 Share Posted 15 February, 2010 Derby and Nottingham, Swansea and Cardiff, Wolverhampton and West Bromwich, Burnley and Blackburn. Next question? So, can you give me the history between these derbies? And explain to me how they have more than Southampton v Portsmouth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 February, 2010 Share Posted 15 February, 2010 So, can you give me the history between these derbies? And explain to me how they have more than Southampton v Portsmouth? You seem so sure that your little derby is so much more important you must know lots more about all the other derbies, otherwise what are you comparing it to? Oh, I see. You're not. It's because you're from Romsey which is obviously the centre of the universe. Well done. Go on then, I give up. People from Blackburn and Burnley fu cking love each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 15 February, 2010 Share Posted 15 February, 2010 Derby and Nottingham, Swansea and Cardiff, Wolverhampton and West Bromwich, Burnley and Blackburn. Next question? Until this year I did not even know there was rivalry between Burnley and Blackburn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 15 February, 2010 Share Posted 15 February, 2010 Until this year I did not even know there was rivalry between Burnley and Blackburn. :smt100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 15 February, 2010 Share Posted 15 February, 2010 (edited) You seem so sure that your little derby is so much more important you must know lots more about all the other derbies, otherwise what are you comparing it to? Oh, I see. You're not. It's because you're from Romsey which is obviously the centre of the universe. Well done. Go on then, I give up. People from Blackburn and Burnley fu cking love each other. I didn't say they loved each other did I? A quick Google search brings up articles putting our derby right up there... took me all of 30 seconds to find this piece.... http://www.oleole.com/blogs/twohundredpercent/posts/the-top-ten-british-rivalries http://www.footballtransfertavern.com/uncategorised/top-ten-derbies-in-the-premier-and-football-league http://www.armchairfans.co.uk/derbies.html You are absolutely deluded if you think that the hatred between Southampton and P*rtsmouth is friendly banter. Edited 15 February, 2010 by StuRomseySaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted 15 February, 2010 Share Posted 15 February, 2010 Wrong there Stu. I live up in the Midlands and have mates who are fans of clubs up North and in London and none of them think that Saints/Pompey is anything special at all. Not even on their radars. They see it as a bit of a soft southern affair compared to Villa/Brum, Liverpool/Everton, Man U/Man C or Newcastle/Sunderland You must be joking, or have retarted friends? I know lads from England games from all over and all of them know what the rivalry is like down here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 15 February, 2010 Share Posted 15 February, 2010 I know plenty of people up and down the country who know of the rivalry, and see it as one of the fiercest. One of them supports Forest, one supports Millwall, surely they have their own fierce rivalries to worry about instead of hearing about ours? Obviously not, they both commented on the rivalry, as well as others. Heard Avram Grant's quote about it all? Our derby is definitely up there with the fiercest in the country, and if you believe Grant, in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 cardiff/swansea is pretty nasty the old West Ham/Millwall even when watching Rangers/Celtic when in glasgow can be very intimidating... but saints/pompey is deffo up there in terms of hatred... Burnley v Blackburn is very bad, as is Port Vale v Stoke and even Swindon v Oxford. The Bristol derby is pretty tasty too. People who know football, know ours is a big derby, and understand the rivalry. Those who think that Liverpool v Everton, the Manchester derby, the North London derby are bad are the Premier League generation, and frankly know **** all. The fierce derbies tend to be lower league, and ours is one of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 Until this year I did not even know there was rivalry between Burnley and Blackburn. And this proves the point. Football fans who know jack **** about football wouldn't know about Saints v Pompey either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 not sure it matters what the rest of the country know or think, facts are when the two sides meet trouble is not far behind, or in front of game. and nothing on horizon to say that will stop it even extends to local fooball at both adult and youth level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 Why wuld Cardiff and Chelsea be worse than saints p*mpey??? I was responding to the post by 1576... "If you didn't know any better you could think the police engineer these things just to make use of those nice camcorders they have. " I wasn't saying it was anything to do with rivalry, just a stupid decision to let out two sets of fans with the history of the CCFC and CFC mobs. As it happened, the post match trouble made ours look like handbags. To quote a mate "it was like the 80's again". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
explorer saint Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 Derby and Nottingham, Swansea and Cardiff, Wolverhampton and West Bromwich, Burnley and Blackburn. Next question? Norwich and Ipswich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 (edited) I hope the OB will have learnt from this and keep dirty Leeds in. Edited 16 February, 2010 by Toomer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomobz Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 I didn't say Luton and Watford didn't have a rivalry. Learn to read before stretching your very limited intelligence by posting on a public forum. no your right u didn't, but your missing the bigger picture of my post. some people think saints v pompey is a couldron of violence compared to other rivalries, when it is quite clear that it isn't. there isn't even any real history between it. ask the older generation who went to football pre 1970's and they used to watch both teams play and always look out for pompeys results, they don't hate them but the younger lot do... why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 For anyone who's interested, this was the Inside Out documentary (From 1:30 to 10:00) http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00qy24v/Inside_Out_South_15_02_2010/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 no your right u didn't, but your missing the bigger picture of my post. some people think saints v pompey is a couldron of violence compared to other rivalries, when it is quite clear that it isn't. there isn't even any real history between it. ask the older generation who went to football pre 1970's and they used to watch both teams play and always look out for pompeys results, they don't hate them but the younger lot do... why is that? No one said it was a "cauldron of violence". It is one of the biggest, hate filled derbies in the country and as has been stated on here, goes much further than a game of football. Also, I know plenty of people in their 50s and 60s who hate the skates, its certainly not something unique to younger fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Shanks Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 You must be joking, or have retarted friends? I know lads from England games from all over and all of them know what the rivalry is like down here. If you're going to insult people then at the very least learn how to spell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkiesaint Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 Lol at the people that think there's something unique about the saints pompey derby. you need to get out more- perhaps spend some time more than 5 miles from where you were born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saturday Boy Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 Lol at the people that think there's something unique about the saints pompey derby. you need to get out more- perhaps spend some time more than 5 miles from where you were born. Nail on the head. One of my colleagues who is a Man United season ticket holder came into work yesterday and he was laughing his socks off and said the whole garage 'riot' was hilariously embarrassing. As already mentioned, I would put the Saints/Pompey rivalry in the same bracket as Blackburn/Burnley, Derby/Forest, WBA/Wolves, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 Lol at the people that think there's something unique about the saints pompey derby. you need to get out more- perhaps spend some time more than 5 miles from where you were born. No-one has said it is unique, just that it is one of the most heated derbies in the country, which is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Soze Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 The rivalry verges on evil and to be frank I'm proud of it. I detest those c/nts with a passion and I'm not ashamed to say like hundreds of others on saturday I lost my head. If the city was bombed and everyone turned into brownbread I would personally p1ss myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 You seem so sure that your little derby is so much more important you must know lots more about all the other derbies, otherwise what are you comparing it to? Oh, I see. You're not. It's because you're from Romsey which is obviously the centre of the universe. Well done. Go on then, I give up. People from Blackburn and Burnley fu cking love each other. Never argue with the all knowing CBFRY. After all he is always right and you must never dare have a different opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 Burnley v Blackburn is very bad, as is Port Vale v Stoke and even Swindon v Oxford. The Bristol derby is pretty tasty too. People who know football, know ours is a big derby, and understand the rivalry. Those who think that Liverpool v Everton, the Manchester derby, the North London derby are bad are the Premier League generation, and frankly know **** all. The fierce derbies tend to be lower league, and ours is one of them Dibden, 70's Mike. You've both hit the nail square on the head. Our derby is massive to us, and real football people are aware of it, but even if they weren't I couldn't give a flying feck! The scouse and manc derby games are well over hyped. Our derby is stoked up by the fact that we've play each other relatively infrequently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 Go and see Istanbul V Besiktas to see real rivalry. Think Britannia Road city wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 * I mean Galatasaray IN Instanbul! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 A quote from a Brum fan, taken off the Englandfans forum; (where they have been a few threads about this game, started by neutrals and everyone on there is aware just how intense the hatred is) "As for the game and atmosphere i was very impressed. Have done a few Derby games before and this is probably the best i've done. None stop singing all game, and before, which is a rareity nowadays in English stadiums" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 As already mentioned, I would put the Saints/Pompey rivalry in the same bracket as Blackburn/Burnley, Derby/Forest, WBA/Wolves, etc. I remember a survey within the last few years that put Saints-Pompey second on the rivalry list (in GB or UK), behind WBA-Wolves. I suppose it's two towns/conurbations that are close geographically, but distinctive, and have historic rivalries like the E Lancs and E Midlands ones you've mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 Go and see Istanbul V Besiktas to see real rivalry. Think Britannia Road city wide. I have done. By the way Galatasaray are rubbish fans. Fenerbahce & Besiktas are the kiddies. Have you been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rut Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 Just the saints pompey part of the BBC documentary here.. Cheers for that link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
influx Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 Wrong there Stu. I live up in the Midlands and have mates who are fans of clubs up North and in London and none of them think that Saints/Pompey is anything special at all. Not even on their radars. They see it as a bit of a soft southern affair compared to Villa/Brum, Liverpool/Everton, Man U/Man C or Newcastle/Sunderland Exactly! Unless they are mates with Southampton or Pompey fans then the blokes up here mostly think its a pretty gay rivalry!! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFM Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 Wrong there Stu. I live up in the Midlands and have mates who are fans of clubs up North and in London and none of them think that Saints/Pompey is anything special at all. Not even on their radars. They see it as a bit of a soft southern affair compared to Villa/Brum, Liverpool/Everton, Man U/Man C or Newcastle/Sunderland I think you really are the most clueless twxt ever on this site from everything you have ever posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 I don't give a sh1t about any other derby, so I don't know why anyone else should about ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 I didn't say they loved each other did I? A quick Google search brings up articles putting our derby right up there... took me all of 30 seconds to find this piece.... http://www.oleole.com/blogs/twohundredpercent/posts/the-top-ten-british-rivalries http://www.footballtransfertavern.com/uncategorised/top-ten-derbies-in-the-premier-and-football-league http://www.armchairfans.co.uk/derbies.html You are absolutely deluded if you think that the hatred between Southampton and P*rtsmouth is friendly banter. Where have I ever said Saints v Pompey is "friendly banter" then? I'm not denying it is a fierce derby full of hatred. It's just there are plenty of other very fierce and very heated derbies up and down the country with plenty of history behind them. Ours is just one of them. Thinking otherwise is small-town myopia. There is a whole world beyond Basingstoke you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 16 February, 2010 Share Posted 16 February, 2010 The thing with Saints-Pompey is that it isn't just over Football, the two cities in general have a rivalry. Same city derbies just can't have the same level of hatred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 Hook Norton v Middle Barton gets a bit fruity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 I love how people suddenly feel emboldened when they have the OB in front of them. Saturday was a total nonevent - arrived at Soton central at 11.50am - felt like Xmas morning. Didn't hear anything till i got to the Premier Inn. The handbags were similarly isolated and contained to the garages afterwards. Never any sense that things might spill out of control - hardly surprising since both sets of fans seemed more than happy to eat out of the OBs hand. Certainly didn't add to the allure or image of the rivalry if thats what elements wanted. It actually moved from the garage down through Northam, the next two streets saw a bit of bother, then the chase continued down, round, and onto Brittania road after the game. Got held up by the police at that point, but I heard it kicked off in town a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFSFC Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 I work with a brummie who said it was the worse derby he had ever seen in terms of trouble and feeling. And he's a villa fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 I saw the Britannia Road incident. It was not that bad. Most of people stood at the garage were quite relaxed, children, women etc wondering what was going on. Even those at the front shaking the barriers looked to me that they were inappropriately mucking around - laughing rather than angry trying to get at other fans. I don't think for a minute they thought they would get together. Not sure what happened prior to horses approaching but some of the hard teenagers panicked and jumped on cars. There were things thrown, bits of card etc - expect few coins as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 I see that this thread has degenerated into the usual petty squabble...... Yawn..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 disgusting. its absolutely pathetic. its a football match FFS True, but think of the book it'll generate and the film it'll make, starring Danny Dyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 True, but think of the book it'll generate and the film it'll make, starring Danny Dyer. He's not hard enough for this film! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 If you're going to insult people then at the very least learn how to spell. The best reply you could think of was pointing out my spelling. Your a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 You are a joke or you're a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Shanks Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 The best reply you could think of was pointing out my spelling. Your a joke. There was nothing else to point out ! "You are" or "you're" by the way Back to school Danny boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 (edited) Not sure what happened prior to horses approaching but some of the hard teenagers panicked and jumped on cars. The only person who jumped on a car was a middle aged bald bloke who proceeded to moon the Pompey fans and jiggle around a bit. I was later told he was arrested. Was funny as though Edited 17 February, 2010 by RedAndWhite91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 The thing with Saints-Pompey is that it isn't just over Football, the two cities in general have a rivalry. Same city derbies just can't have the same level of hatred. Agreed and the fact we don't play each other very often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 This sort of thing does make me chuckle, that a few fights and scuffles is nothing. NO violence. NO fights. NO scuffles. That is something NOT to make a big deal out of, because it should be the norm. Why bring me into this! Young H and I made our way home without getting into any trouble. Honest officer:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 17 February, 2010 Share Posted 17 February, 2010 The only person who jumped on a car was a middle aged bald bloke who proceeded to moon the Pompey fans and jiggle around a bit. I was later told he was arrested. Was funny as though The car in question was a Bmw that belongs to the head steward at St Mary's, although it was a company car. Tell you what ****es me off, the Pompey fans set fire to the toilets and wrote all over the Walls. Why don't we claim it back by giving them 25% of the ticket sales? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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