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Come on peeps, less p!ss taking and more acceptance that TT is a passionate Saints fan, who is no doubt performing flik-flaks knowing Saints beat Norwich City today at Carrow Road.

 

And if you weren't able to tune in to the radio, Tim, I can tell you that apart from the first 5 minutes in the first half, and the first 10 minutes in the second half, Saints almost totally dominated the play, despite the Norwich crowd being very much behind their team, for much of the match. However, the Saints contingent were very vocal, and we could hear loads of editions of slow/standard/fast OWTS, and Father's Gun. Basically, Saints played as they did against Pompey last week, and this time, with no David James, and against a League One side, their quality showed through. Proud of the Lads again.

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Actually, In Florida for five days of golf, did however manage to delay my tee-time today until after the game (three hours later back East than it is out West).

 

So I heard the game and was thrilled to bits...just like my entourage on here getting the opportunity to post after their hero.

 

All those teams mentioned above haven't let in nearly as many impactful late goals as Saints...even if they have (which they haven't) at least those three will have something to waste their time with researching, won't you boys?

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Actually, In Florida for five days of golf, did however manage to delay my tee-time today until after the game (three hours later back East than it is out West).

 

So I heard the game and was thrilled to bits...just like my entourage on here getting the opportunity to post after their hero.

 

All those teams mentioned above haven't let in nearly as many impactful late goals as Saints...even if they have (which they haven't) at least those three will have something to waste their time with researching, won't you boys?

 

Yeah, heaven forbid someone makes a statement backed up by facts ;)

The FACT is Tim that every single team up and down the country concedes late goals. I can near guarantee you that we have conceded less late goals (and by late, I mean in the last 15 minutes of a game, not the second half ;)) than most of the teams in this league.

Yes it's frustrating, but we have also scored plenty of late goals. Jaidi V Carlisle, Waigo V Norwich, Connolly V MK Dons (though not as important, granted).

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Could you do any better TT?

 

I think not

 

At what playing? No

At running the team or coaching? No

At understanding the modern pro player? No

At recognising a statistic that's been kicking us in the balls all season? You'll say "No"..some may not.

 

Could someone else do better at what I do? Therefore your undetailed question is fairly assinine.

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At what playing? No

At running the team or coaching? No

At understanding the modern pro player? No

At recognising a statistic that's been kicking us in the balls all season? You'll say "No"..some may not.

 

Could someone else do better at what I do? Therefore your undetailed question is fairly assinine.

 

A statistic or an impression? If its the former, where is your analysis?

 

I think its put up or shut up time!

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Tim, can you pst pictures of your American saints women team??? I need a w*nk. x

 

So what does that make you sir? Hmmm

 

Be resourceful nipper their pictures are available on-line and keep on giving y'self a pull, 'cause guess what not one of them would look at you as long as your ass points South (Wanchor LMBO)

 

Sweet dreams.

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Brighton conceded in the 5th minute of injury time. You have to ask what is going on there.

Leeds let a goal in in the 77th minute. Who the hell is the defensive coach there?

Also Exeter conceded, at home, in the 77th minute. They need some specialist coaching or something.

You know that Bristol rovers....conceded in the 92 minute. You got to ask some serious questions about the management team there.

I see Southend conceded a goal in the 80th minute. I mean come on! What sort of teams let in goals in the 80th minute! disorganised, poor defenders, lacking in confidence, unfit.....there is no excuse for it.

In the same game, Southend scored against MK Dons in the 89th minute. There must be something about the MK Dons defenders and coaches that is causing this problem.

What I really couldn't believe was when Tranmere conceded, at home, a goal in the 86th minute! Pathetic.

I just wonder what the credentials of the Brenford defensive coach is seeing as they conceded in 84th minute. They really need to start having a word with the team, maybe take the defenders to one side and boost their confidence or something.

 

After some further research, I have made a shocking discovery. It is not just L1 games where late goals are scored. I thought it might be linked to poor defenders, poor fitness, poor coaching, low confidence or something, but it seems even in the highest tier of English football teams are conceding late goals. Unbelieveable:

 

Aston Villa conceded a goal in the 92nd minute (to Burnley!)

Bolton conceded one goal in the 73rd minute and another in the 84th minute to Blackburn. How sh*t must they be?

Birmingham conceded a goal in the 91st minute against Fulham and that meant they lost!

Pavlyuchenko scored one goal in the 84th and then again in the 93rd for Tottenham!

 

In fact the only game with no late goals in the premiership today was Man City vs Liverpool. I think all teams can learn a lot from these two and there really is no excuse for all games not ending 0-0 from now on.

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After some further research, I have made a shocking discovery. It is not just L1 games where late goals are scored. I thought it might be linked to poor defenders, poor fitness, poor coaching, low confidence or something, but it seems even in the highest tier of English football teams are conceding late goals. Unbelieveable:

 

Aston Villa conceded a goal in the 92nd minute (to Burnley!)

Bolton conceded one goal in the 73rd minute and another in the 84th minute to Blackburn. How sh*t must they be?

Birmingham conceded a goal in the 91st minute against Fulham and that meant they lost!

Pavlyuchenko scored one goal in the 84th and then again in the 93rd for Tottenham!

 

In fact the only game with no late goals in the premiership today was Man City vs Liverpool. I think all teams can learn a lot from these two and there really is no excuse for all games not ending 0-0 from now on.

 

A little rural out there ain't it WS? So remote that you're now talking to y'self...don't worry son, y'hero'll keep you company.

 

Keep clutching at straws it'll make you feel better and give you a vehicle to vent. None so blind as those that cannot see.

 

Have you had your three posts for the day? If so, don't fret, I'll be here tomorrow...maybe.

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None so blind as those that cannot see.

 

How apt. My last post was simply highlighting the fact that every prem game today, bar one, had a late goal scored (sometimes more than one). The post before that was about Saturdays L1 games, where again, most of the games had late goals scored.

 

Maybe it is you that needs to open your eyes a little more Tim? I genuinely have nothing against you, but it just strikes me as really, really odd that you think conceding late goals is a Saints problem, when I have just shown that it happens in virtually all games.

 

That's all my posts gone for the night, but I would like you to answer a couple of questions, seriously:

 

Do you think it is unusual for teams to concede late goals?

 

Is conceding a late goal any worse than conceding an early goal?

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from a stats site

 

Nearly 1/3rd of matches are 0-0 at half time. All the action is in the second half!! It the match is 0-0 at half time the odds on a draw have risen quite a bit usually at the expense of the home teams chances of winning. So 0-0, if you are playing at home, is bad and away is not bad but not particulary good either.

 

If the score is 0-0 at half time it is critical that your team scores first in the second half. If you do there is only a small chance of your team going on to lose the match.

 

If your team is playing at home and is losing at half time then they must score first in the second half or else they have little chance of winning.

 

Even if your team is dominant and has more shots towards goal there is still a one in four chance that they will not win a match. It is true that teams can play well and still lose thanks to being unlucky. So don't be too hard on your team when they fail to win.

 

And finally............... NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, (Have I made that clear), NEVER, leave the ground early under any circumstances!! The probability of a goal in the last minute or in extra time is actually quite high. Much higher than most people suspect. OK so it could go against you but there is a slightly better chance it will be for the home team. So stick around and enjoy that pleasure of a late goal. After all you could savour it while stuck in traffic on the way home because you didn't leave early.

 

I hope that gives you something to chew over. All the above probabilities are general and spread across the entire spectrum of matches. Individual matches vary significantly based upon the ability of the teams

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A little rural out there ain't it WS? So remote that you're now talking to y'self...don't worry son, y'hero'll keep you company.

 

Keep clutching at straws it'll make you feel better and give you a vehicle to vent. None so blind as those that cannot see.

 

Have you had your three posts for the day? If so, don't fret, I'll be here tomorrow...maybe.

 

Let's hope so Tim as you failed to address his points at all and I would be equally fascinated to see your replies to Nick G's later posts above too. Surely there are some explanations?

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Do you think it is unusual for teams to concede late goals?

 

Is conceding a late goal any worse than conceding an early goal?

 

Sensible answers to two sensible questions;

 

No, it just seems we allow a disproportionate amount of 'costly' goals during a certain period of games during this season. Therefore we should strategise for that event, as we should for any other regular flaw that costs us in our quest for success.

 

No they both have the same value.

 

Here is a question for you, if I had said (as I have posted correctly on two previous occassions) PRIOR to the pompee game that the thing we should guard against is giving up cheap goals in the last 15-20 minutes or so, as I feel it is the only way we will be beaten, would you have been so harsh on me?

 

Oh and as for the prem, which I don't give a rat's arse about as Saints is my team, how many of those late goals affected the result...I ain't looked.

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our last 15 mins is not our worst 15 mins for conceding goals!

 

Nick, I ain't got the time nor inclination to be a statto and double check all that, however, I respect you enough to trust that you are correct, so thanks.

 

However BR, let alone Colch and Dirty Leeds are all obviously not suffering the effect of goals in a certain spell as bad as we are, right. What's more what about, Norwich, Charlton, Swin, Hudd, Millwall, MK, Wallsall, Brentford etc...3 odd team out of how many? Around a dozen maybe?

 

And guys...I totally understand given up late goals...and late goals when you trying to claw your way back into a game. I just believe AP should be coaching and the team should be learning how to 'ice' or close out games when we are defending a lead and not throwing caution to the wind or being caught with our pants down when drawing.

 

Half a cake is better than nothing. If we closed out the skates the other day, we may have even taken the replay by default...who knows?

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No, it just seems we allow a disproportionate amount of 'costly' goals during a certain period of games during this season. Therefore we should strategise for that event, as we should for any other regular flaw that costs us in our quest for success.

 

Well this is something we at last agree on. We need to come up with a strategy to avoid conceding goals.

 

Ideas anyone?

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Well this is something we at last agree on. We need to come up with a strategy to avoid conceding goals.

 

Ideas anyone?

 

Good job mush...managed to post without saying something graphic or insulting about Ron Davies...totally worthless and non-value added post, but at least not abhorrent.

 

Give y'self an 'Atta-boy'

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Good job mush...managed to post without saying something graphic or insulting about Ron Davies...totally worthless and non-value added post, but at least not abhorrent.

 

Give y'self an 'Atta-boy'

 

As apposed to coming across like a patronising ***** like you do in the majority of your posts?

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And guys...I totally understand given up late goals...and late goals when you trying to claw your way back into a game. I just believe AP should be coaching and the team should be learning how to 'ice' or close out games when we are defending a lead and not throwing caution to the wind or being caught with our pants down when drawing.

 

I have a theory that the reason behind late goals is mainly this obsession with managers to instruct their teams to 'close out' games. This normally amounts to them ceasing to do the one thing that has given that team the advantage in the first place, ie. attacking, outplaying the opposition and scoring goals. The team then, under orders, tries to play in a more cautious and defensive manner and succeeds only in giving up possession to the opposing team, thereby increasing the likelihood of conceding a goal.

 

I say, keep playing the way that has put the team in the lead, no problem!

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I have a theory that the reason behind late goals is mainly this obsession with managers to instruct their teams to 'close out' games. This normally amounts to them ceasing to do the one thing that has given that team the advantage in the first place, ie. attacking, outplaying the opposition and scoring goals. The team then, under orders, tries to play in a more cautious and defensive manner and succeeds only in giving up possession to the opposing team, thereby increasing the likelihood of conceding a goal.

 

I say, keep playing the way that has put the team in the lead, no problem!

 

Great point...have to say I agree in the majority of cases, however, for the most part, not in our's. The pompers game as a point in case...we were all at the wrong end, trying to desperately to recover as they broke and punished us.

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TiT, when you've posted nonsense and are picked up on it, be man enough to accept it, rather than constantly hiding behind whatever heartwarming thing you've done for Ron Davies. It's a bit crap to keep referring to him on a thread where you're rightly being criticised on another topic.

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TiT, when you've posted nonsense and are picked up on it, be man enough to accept it, rather than constantly hiding behind whatever heartwarming thing you've done for Ron Davies. It's a bit crap to keep referring to him on a thread where you're rightly being criticised on another topic.

 

Wow, that's an educated insult...yet another with nothing to say so says something that's...well...nothing. Congrats, long nights out there in Norway huh and that was the best you could do, poor at best mush.

 

Oh and what is "a bit crap", is a douche who chooses to insult a Saints legend and then repeatedly returns to respond to threads with negative, emptiness that adds up to the square root of SFA, whilst relying on others more gulible to defend him...think about it.

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Not sure ive seen anyone insulting an "Saints Legend" on this thread TBF...

 

True enough sir!! Probably doesn't want to take as much flak as previously, so instead finally saying that he was 100% out of order or doing the decent thing and apologising, he'd just rather continuing being a piece of cloesteral in the arteries of this board. But I'm the bad guy, huh?

 

Me, I'd rather discuss the Saints related topic.

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Oh and what is "a bit crap", is a douche who chooses to insult a Saints legend

 

Oh get over it please. This thread wasn't about a Saints legend. Just because you've done one good turn in your life doesn't make you a legend either.

 

Fed up with you and your 'followers' asking for leniency because you did a good thing once. You're original post was flawed.

 

And don't have a go at me please because today I let someone pull out in front of me in queuing traffic and also checked on my elderly neighbour.

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Go ahead oli, justify unnacceptable insults to a Saints legend...another post with zero value. Well done mate.

 

You may like to think you're popualr TiT, but to call yourself a "saints legend" is a little egocentric, even by your standards.

 

Nick, I ain't got the time nor inclination to be a statto and double check all that

 

Yet you have time to collate all the times of goals conceded by saints. All Nick did was go to a bookies website.....far easier than what you did.

 

Do you think it is unusual for teams to concede late goals?

 

Is conceding a late goal any worse than conceding an early goal?

 

Sensible answers to two sensible questions;

 

No, it just seems we allow a disproportionate amount of 'costly' goals during a certain period of games during this season. Therefore we should strategise for that event, as we should for any other regular flaw that costs us in our quest for success.

 

No they both have the same value.

 

Here is a question for you, if I had said (as I have posted correctly on two previous occassions) PRIOR to the pompee game that the thing we should guard against is giving up cheap goals in the last 15-20 minutes or so, as I feel it is the only way we will be beaten, would you have been so harsh on me?

 

Oh and as for the prem, which I don't give a rat's arse about as Saints is my team, how many of those late goals affected the result...I ain't looked.

 

So how do we "strategise" for the conceding of late goals? Why don't other teams "strategise" for such eventualities? You are still seemingly convinced that this is a Saints issue, when all the evidence suggest it is part and parcel of football. Players keep playing, keep attacking till the final whistle and score goals....it happens all the time. I do feel like this is a little like banging your head against a brick wall.

 

If conceding a goal at anytime is bad, why are you focussed on goals conceded at the end of matches? Why not at the beginning? Nick has told you that most of our conceded goals are NOT in that last perios, but at other times. Why don't you make a fuss about that time period?

 

As for your point about not giving goals away late on against Portsmouth....it makes no sense. It barely warrants a reply. What if I said "We should be wary about conceding goals because if we do we are more likely to lose. In fact, if we are to concede goals, my straegy would be to score more than we concede". Would that make me a footballing expert?

 

The last point you make - you don't care about the prem leagie fixtures is complete arse. Those teams have the top defenders and coaches in this country yet still concede late goals, so how are Saints going to stop conceding if they can't?

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Go ahead oli, justify unnacceptable insults to a Saints legend...another post with zero value. Well done mate.

 

What has been said about about big Ron on this thread then? I read through and couldn't see anything, only someone saying you hang out of his arse (not my words). As for posts with zero value, you might want to look a bit closer to home.

 

We do leak a few late goals ( anything past 80 mins in my book) but its not like Pards has done nothing about it ( Fonte, Otsesemibor etc). It takes time to get a whole new team to gel togeather, surley you understand that? We all knew deep down this was going to be an experimental season and i think a good 90% of Saints fans are happy with the progress being made. Maybe living in L.A means you are out of touch, but there is a big buzz around the club at the moment. I think this is why your thread has had such a poor response, but i suppose you cant please all the people all of the time.

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Wow, that's an educated insult...yet another with nothing to say so says something that's...well...nothing. Congrats, long nights out there in Norway huh and that was the best you could do, poor at best mush.

 

 

 

Oh and what is "a bit crap", is a douche who chooses to insult a Saints legend and then repeatedly returns to respond to threads with negative, emptiness that adds up to the square root of SFA, whilst relying on others more gulible to defend him...think about it.

 

 

Such bigoted comments about Norway!

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Great point...have to say I agree in the majority of cases, however, for the most part, not in our's. The pompers game as a point in case...we were all at the wrong end, trying to desperately to recover as they broke and punished us.

 

We were 2-1, then 3-1 down with about 15 minutes left versus a PL side .... what do you expect them to do just sit back and die? We got back in the game once by going a bit direct and pushing on and tried the same tactics. Not an unfair thing for the team to do.

 

Would you have been so scathing had we lost the game 4-1 to Liverpool or Bolton or Wigan? I would imagine had it not been Pompey then this thread would not have even occurred.

 

I simply cannot believe this thread has ended up with 250 odd posts.

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We were 2-1, then 3-1 down with about 15 minutes left versus a PL side .... what do you expect them to do just sit back and die? We got back in the game once by going a bit direct and pushing on and tried the same tactics. Not an unfair thing for the team to do.

 

Would you have been so scathing had we lost the game 4-1 to Liverpool or Bolton or Wigan? I would imagine had it not been Pompey then this thread would not have even occurred.

 

I simply cannot believe this thread has ended up with 250 odd posts.

 

+1

 

250 posts in and we are still waiting to hear what Tim means when he wants Saints to "strategise" for this. I assume he means more than just "try to defend better and let less goals in" but we have yet to hear

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You may like to think you're popualr TiT, but to call yourself a "saints legend" is a little egocentric, even by your standards.

 

 

 

Yet you have time to collate all the times of goals conceded by saints. All Nick did was go to a bookies website.....far easier than what you did.

 

 

 

So how do we "strategise" for the conceding of late goals? Why don't other teams "strategise" for such eventualities? You are still seemingly convinced that this is a Saints issue, when all the evidence suggest it is part and parcel of football. Players keep playing, keep attacking till the final whistle and score goals....it happens all the time. I do feel like this is a little like banging your head against a brick wall.

 

If conceding a goal at anytime is bad, why are you focussed on goals conceded at the end of matches? Why not at the beginning? Nick has told you that most of our conceded goals are NOT in that last perios, but at other times. Why don't you make a fuss about that time period?

 

As for your point about not giving goals away late on against Portsmouth....it makes no sense. It barely warrants a reply. What if I said "We should be wary about conceding goals because if we do we are more likely to lose. In fact, if we are to concede goals, my straegy would be to score more than we concede". Would that make me a footballing expert?

 

The last point you make - you don't care about the prem leagie fixtures is complete arse. Those teams have the top defenders and coaches in this country yet still concede late goals, so how are Saints going to stop conceding if they can't?

 

LMAO...you are SO predictable and how long did it take you to think that up...keep it coming son, gives you a purpose I guess.

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LMAO...you are SO predictable and how long did it take you to think that up...keep it coming son, gives you a purpose I guess.

 

251 posts and you are becoming SO predictable. How about answering some of these important questions? And you kick others for not having any substances to their posts...

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What has been said about about big Ron on this thread then? I read through and couldn't see anything, only someone saying you hang out of his arse (not my words). As for posts with zero value, you might want to look a bit closer to home.

 

We do leak a few late goals ( anything past 80 mins in my book) but its not like Pards has done nothing about it ( Fonte, Otsesemibor etc). It takes time to get a whole new team to gel togeather, surley you understand that? We all knew deep down this was going to be an experimental season and i think a good 90% of Saints fans are happy with the progress being made. Maybe living in L.A means you are out of touch, but there is a big buzz around the club at the moment. I think this is why your thread has had such a poor response, but i suppose you cant please all the people all of the time.

 

Thank you, I can absolutely understand and relate to what you are saying in this post and it makes a lot of sense. You have opinions because of what you see and hear, the feelings and atmosphere around you - me too.

 

As for the Ron insults, yes they were on other threads, I responded in the way I did because a pattern has been set by that poster where they add nothing to a thread and then start to follow up their initial posts with child like insults...go ahead and insult me, fair enough. But a guy that is a living legend for Southampton Football Club and then went about as low as you could go on his luck, suffering crippling football related injuries and then losing the one person he loved as much as life itself, his beloved wife. Yes Ron was a very easy and vulnerable target for an anonymous cyber comic like 'Deano6', just that most decent Saints would find it totally abhorrent..but that is what these boards are all about, to be fair it should make you feel a whole lot better about who you are when you read the krap they post.

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I have always been on the opinion that Tiggy is an utter bore and an ego-maniacal one to boot.

 

I realise that this opinion was not held by all on here and some posters have a lot of time for him.

 

However, I am pleased to see that his fit of pique post-derby game post (which was far more fitting of an angry adolescent as opposed to the near 60 year old bloke he is) has done far more to bring the masses over to my way of thinking than anything I could have posted could ever have done.

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