Saints V Skates - Afters.

[CanadaSaint]

HMRC want them wound up - there can be no doubt about that. If they didn't they wouldn't have served a winding up petition and their barrister wouldn't have gone for the jugular.

 

Does anyone suppose that there might be some government influence in the background to HMRC's position in this - as in, "this whole football thing has been getting out of hand for years, and we need to rein it in and leave a clear lesson behind"?

[benjii]

Does anyone suppose that there might be some government influence in the background to HMRC's position in this - as in, "this whole football thing has been getting out of hand for years, and we need to rein it in and leave a clear lesson behind"?

 

I'm not sure you need to look to Government to find that attitude - I expect it comes from HMRC themselves.

[Window Cleaner]

Why are you such an optimist that that it won't happen? Do you reckon that the HMRC are Skate fans? They will feel quite strongly I supect, that they need to make an example of a serial offender - pour encourager les autres.

 

And as for the Premier League bailing them out, they really can't do that without all of the other teams crying foul over it. The teams have to be responsible for their own finances and not expect the governing body of the league to bail out member teams who have been profligate with their expenditure.

 

Chainrai? Why would he put more in? He already has the spectre of losing pretty well everything he has already put in if the club go into administration or liquidation. Why exactly would he want to p*ss even more money down the drain? Face it, nobody is going to buy Pompey with their huge debts, crappy stadium and almost certain relegation. Some tyre kickers might however be interested in buying them from administration and run them as a Fizzy Pop league club. But the directors cannot place them in administration whilst under a winding-up order and neither would it be in their interests to do so anyway, as they will lose pretty all of the money that the club owes them. It is virtually the perfect example of them being caught between a rock and a hard place; in short, they're buggered.

 

 

I'm an "optimist" because however much I want it to happen I'm just so afraid that it won't. They've been extracting the urite for years now (we got into trouble through honest bumbling) and it would be such a hard lesson for all the other spend till you bust big clubs that totally negate any idea of fair competition that it would be too good to be true.

[alpine_saint]

HMRC want them wound up - there can be no doubt about that. If they didn't they wouldn't have served a winding up petition and their barrister wouldn't have gone for the jugular.

 

If the PL advance them some money then it has to come with a points deduction. This then means relegation and no parachtue payment = insolvency next year instead.

 

But it buys them time to find a real owner.

[derry]

With the tax bill going up at the rate of about £1.25m every month and the salaries at £1.8m every month with a match income of about £1.2m every month, Gaydamak's defaulted £9m, Chainrai's £17m, HMRC's £11.5m and rising, Stage payments of £12m by the end of May even Vantis will struggle to justify not winding up.

[alpine_saint]

With the tax bill going up at the rate of about £1.25m every month and the salaries at £1.8m every month with a match income of about £1.2m every month, Gaydamak's defaulted £9m, Chainrai's £17m, HMRC's £11.5m and rising, Stage payments of £12m by the end of May even Vantis will struggle to justify not winding up.

 

Here's hoping.

[Window Cleaner]

Here's hoping.

 

But still I wouldn't mind betting that someone, somewhere will find it of sufficient reason or self interest to bail the bastards out, if not it will be genial.

[Wes Tender]

But it buys them time to find a real owner.

 

What, a real owner like the last three? What is there to buy? They would be taking on £60 million of debt with a crappy 20000 seater stadium. The Premiership and TV income is disappearing down the plughole just to service the debt. At the start of the season when these fake sheiks got involved, there was the attraction of owning a Premiership team. But right now, it would take a miracle to avoid relegation, even if they avoided ceasing to exist.

 

Surely any businessman with sufficient wealth that showed any inclination of owning a Premiership football club, would consider other clubs secure in that division, or clubs in the Fizzy Pop league with realistic expectations of returning to the Premiership with a little investment rather than the basket case that is Pompey.

 

Otherwise, anybody would be a fool to buy them now with all that debt rather than after administration, if they're even lucky enough to go through that rather than liquidation.

[these things take time]

After watching tv late last night, I am now texting genuine girls in my local area.

 

ASL?

[Legod Third Coming]

What, a real owner like the last three? What is there to buy? They would be taking on £60 million of debt with a crappy 20000 seater stadium. The Premiership and TV income is disappearing down the plughole just to service the debt. At the start of the season when these fake sheiks got involved, there was the attraction of owning a Premiership team. But right now, it would take a miracle to avoid relegation, even if they avoided ceasing to exist.

 

Surely any businessman with sufficient wealth that showed any inclination of owning a Premiership football club, would consider other clubs secure in that division, or clubs in the Fizzy Pop league with realistic expectations of returning to the Premiership with a little investment rather than the basket case that is Pompey.

 

Otherwise, anybody would be a fool to buy them now with all that debt rather than after administration, if they're even lucky enough to go through that rather than liquidation.

 

I didn't think once a winding up order had been issued that administration was an option? Someone with relevant skills needs to clarify this.

[toofarnorth]

I didn't think once a winding up order had been issued that administration was an option? Someone with relevant skills needs to clarify this.

 

What is a Winding Up Petition?

 

This is the most serious action that can be taken against the company. Often the company has breached any trust the creditor had, payment deals have failed, cheques bounced and generally the directors have not kept their word. So the creditor reacts with the “nuclear” option. Of course sometimes its not as simple as that; in some cases we have seen creditors issue malicious petitions as a means of trying to settle disputes.

 

 

If a creditor elects to wind the company up, it is usually serious in its intent to recover the money it is owed an or to put the company out of business.

[Chez]

CHEZ your are a fecking piece of dogs excrement.

You have made it look like I posted the remarks about Antonio when you and I know that it was not my work.

If you want to make yoursdelf look like the **** you are carry on.

 

I have put the whole post below so perhaps you would like to explain before I make a formal complaint. Or are you to thick to understand what you have done?

 

Such compliments. It must be valentines day.

 

Just for your information I didn't misquote you intentionally. Most people have worked out how to use the quote button by now and I missed that you had put the word Quote right at the start so I therefore obviously thought the post represented your opinion. However, I'm not sure me disagreeing with whoever's opinion it was about Antonio's performance quite justfiies the vitriol. I'll put it down to the fact that you had a very bad day yesterday, I know I did.

 

Next time I make such a major faux pas just PM me, I'll happily apologise, and you'll avoid coming across as a total tool.

 

BTW I'm not sure why you had to start a whole new thread to abuse me again. Did you not get everything off your chest in this one?

 

Happy valentines. Love you.

Edited 14 February, 2010 by Chez

[dubai_phil]

Such compliments. It must be valentines day.

 

Just for your information I didn't misquote you intentionally. Most people have worked out how to use the quote button by now and I missed that you had put the word Quote right at the start so I therefore obviously thought the post represented your opinion. However, I'm not sure me disagreeing with whoever's opinion it was about Antonio's performance quite justfiies the vitriol. I'll put it down to the fact that you had a very bad day yesterday, I know I did.

 

Next time I make such a major faux pas just PM me, I'll happily apologise, and you'll avoid coming across as a total tool.

 

BTW I'm not sure why you had to start a whole new thread to abuse me again. Did you not get everything off your chest in this one?

 

Happy valentines. Love you.

 

Yeh and next time you two have a fight/manlove Valentines party leave my replies to Charlie Wayman out of it

 

It's big and red and says quote

 

Specsavers must have some deals going - I have no idea as some numpty decided to stop Sky News being on my satallite package grr

[Saint Keith]

Such compliments. It must be valentines day.

 

Just for your information I didn't misquote you intentionally. Most people have worked out how to use the quote button by now and I missed that you had put the word Quote right at the start so I therefore obviously thought the post represented your opinion. However, I'm not sure me disagreeing with whoever's opinion it was about Antonio's performance quite justfiies the vitriol. I'll put it down to the fact that you had a very bad day yesterday, I know I did.

 

Next time I make such a major faux pas just PM me, I'll happily apologise, and you'll avoid coming across as a total tool.

 

BTW I'm not sure why you had to start a whole new thread to abuse me again. Did you not get everything off your chest in this one?

 

Happy valentines. Love you.

 

lol!

[FMPR]

If by some bizarre twist of fate we actually win the FA Cup again will you boys and girls say we had an easy route through to the final again?

[View From The Top]

If by some bizarre twist of fate we actually win the FA Cup again will you boys and girls say we had an easy route through to the final again?

 

If you hadn't noticed, we are a mid-table L1 club at the moment.

[dubai_phil]

If by some bizarre twist of fate we actually win the FA Cup again will you boys and girls say we had an easy route through to the final again?

 

No, you should have been buried at half time. Neutral fans were laughing at your players as well in the pub.

 

You came up against a bunch of naive triers. Anyone with the same approach and a modicum of composure in the box and you would be a distant memory.

 

Anyway, don't worry, you won't make it. Others have plans for you and football is the last thing they are interested in. Your own bed, you made it.

[Chez]

If by some bizarre twist of fate we actually win the FA Cup again will you boys and girls say we had an easy route through to the final again?

 

nice bait. Swim back to the longe will ya whilst we lick out wounds.

[rick1976.4.38]

u r joking,you wont be around to reach the next round against the blue nose,happy days

[Channon's Sideburns]

If by some bizarre twist of fate we actually win the FA Cup again will you boys and girls say we had an easy route through to the final again?

 

I'd enjoy the moment if I were you. It'll take more than a bizarre twist of fate for your lot to get past Birmingham.

 

Just HOW much do you pay Utaka?? Must say he's worth every penny, for comedy value alone. Which joker bought him then...?

 

Oh.

 

I bet your lot will be seeing more of the High Court than the High Ground this year.

[Tractor_Saint]

If by some bizarre twist of fate we actually win the FA Cup again will you boys and girls say we had an easy route through to the final again?

 

You're making the huge assumption you'll have a team to support next month. A pretty stupid assumption IMHO.

 

Oh, and we are a league one club and you're claiming bragging rights? FFS man, think you need the old phrase 'allow us to concentrate on the league'.

[skintsaint]

Lallana should have screamed at him to leave it,perhaps he did though.

 

if Barnard didnt stop it, the ball would of flew off for a corner. No way could Lalllallanna get it.

[eelpie]

If Pompey go out of business during the season all their results are wiped out

so points totals will change, some will gain, others will lose.All the other Premiership clubs will be influenced by that.

The few clubs having lost to Pompey would want it to happen as the results of all the others having beaten them would be

reduced to the same result 0 points.

 

It would be fanciful but nice if this were to apply to FA Cup matches too, Then we would be home to Birmingham in the sixth round!

Bring it on!

[SFC Forever]

Such compliments. It must be valentines day.

 

Just for your information I didn't misquote you intentionally. Most people have worked out how to use the quote button by now and I missed that you had put the word Quote right at the start so I therefore obviously thought the post represented your opinion. However, I'm not sure me disagreeing with whoever's opinion it was about Antonio's performance quite justfiies the vitriol. I'll put it down to the fact that you had a very bad day yesterday, I know I did.

 

Next time I make such a major faux pas just PM me, I'll happily apologise, and you'll avoid coming across as a total tool.

 

BTW I'm not sure why you had to start a whole new thread to abuse me again. Did you not get everything off your chest in this one?

 

Happy valentines. Love you.

 

Thanx for the reply CHEZ.

I saw how a few others had played with my posts and realised how stupid I made myself look by showing my lack of knowledge. I must admit it could be interesting if we all decided to do this but threads might get lost. Though sometimes it wouldn't do any harm.

As it happens I am still trying to get the multi quote thing working which might make my life easier. Any way thanx for the chocolates and card but I am way too fat to eat such luxuries.

[chip]

Beaten by a team where three of there goals come from players that they don't even own...and a keeper that will be leaving as soon as the window re-opens just to raise some money....the future looks bright....well for the Red and White at least!!. Let them enjoy there moment because it the situation there in, its gonna be many years even if they manage to stay afloat before they see any light.

[SFC Forever]

If by some bizarre twist of fate we actually win the FA Cup again will you boys and girls say we had an easy route through to the final again?

 

Ex Saint Kevin Phillips is waiting for you. He will comer on in the second half and score a brace at least to cheer us up.

[saint_stevo]

We did ok, needed to take our earlier chances though to have had any real hope

[Wes Tender]

If by some bizarre twist of fate we actually win the FA Cup again will you boys and girls say we had an easy route through to the final again?

You haven't been on here for a while. I wonder what brings you back?

It's been a comparatively easy route for you. Mind you, you made it look extremely hard work against second division Coventry, only scoring the winner in the last minute of extra time. Then you narrowly beat Sunderland who have also hit a bit of a blip, before looking second best against a third division team for over 70 minutes or so.

 

But I would have thought that you would have foregone coming on here lest you get asked whether you are confident that your run down bankrupt little club will even exist by the end of the week. What are your thoughts on that?

[St Landrew]

I think Birmingham City will turn Portsmouth over, although their recent excellent form has stumbled a bit.

[EFM]

Just home, enjoyed the game. Crowd were great! Wish we had taken 2 out of the four good chances in first half.

 

Took my 10 year old grandson to his first local derby. Not sure I would do it again. Surrounded in the Chapel by pure hatred, every swear word imaginable. The moron behind me could not speak without including a four letter word. Spent most of the game standing shouting abuse. Took no notice of loads of young children sat in front of him. Took the shine off the day for me.

 

I suspect I, or one of thousands or more, could have been that nasty person shouting four letter words at the scum of the earth on every possible occasion. What do you expect at a match against them FFS?

 

It IS all about pure hatred and that's why I wouldn't miss it for the earth. D'ya think we should be politely applauding that pile of blue ****e or what? Or being true supporters? Get a f'ing grip man or just don't go next time we play them - which is probably never.

 

It's back to family section time after this so take your young lad then if you don't expect TOTAL hatred and foul language. Dear god, what is the point of football against them if you don't expect and hope for that level of atmosphere?

[FMPR]

You haven't been on here for a while. I wonder what brings you back?

It's been a comparatively easy route for you. Mind you, you made it look extremely hard work against second division Coventry, only scoring the winner in the last minute of extra time. Then you narrowly beat Sunderland who have also hit a bit of a blip, before looking second best against a third division team for over 70 minutes or so.

 

But I would have thought that you would have foregone coming on here lest you get asked whether you are confident that your run down bankrupt little club will even exist by the end of the week. What are your thoughts on that?

 

I personally think we will survive and will not get relegated to League One either

[John B]

I suspect I, or one of thousands or more, could have been that nasty person shouting four letter words at the scum of the earth on every possible occasion. What do you expect at a match against them FFS?

 

It IS all about pure hatred and that's why I wouldn't miss it for the earth. D'ya think we should be politely applauding that pile of blue ****e or what? Or being true supporters? Get a f'ing grip man or just don't go next time we play them - which is probably never.

 

It's back to family section time after this so take your young lad then if you don't expect TOTAL hatred and foul language. Dear god, what is the point of football against them if you don't expect and hope for that level of atmosphere?

 

Perhaps the poster was expecting to watch the football and support the Saints without listening to foulmouth bigotory.

 

 

He probably thought you tedious and tiresome

[dubai_phil]

I personally think we will survive and will not get relegated to League One either

 

Well half right, if you survive you will get relegated to the CCC

 

And surviving without the TV money and stuck with Uttaka's and the like as your parachute money will have been sucked dry by your leeches

[northam soul]

Can anyone tell me where there were 1200 empty seats. I find these attendances somewhat bemusing to be honest.

Let the blue few have their day as it wont be long until the 1st March. They have all now experienced what its like to see a full house which is something they will never see even at their shed.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

No we controlled midfield, we got hit on the break because our static central defenders had gone forward and the corners, free kicks or long throws (whatever it was) were gifted to them to hit us on the break.

 

But the problem is we could have been 4-0 ahead at the break.We were great first half but as we didn't put our chances away

we were always going to pay for the effort necessary to create them.

 

We closed down well enough in the first half, but O'Hara wouldn't have won m-o-m if we controlled midfield. He was doing what Schniederlin should do but never does. We did well considering our L1 status, but we do need to improve our creativity in midfield, it doesn't really look as though it will deliver a killer pass.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Good first half, some weak shooting from Lallana, Barnard desperately needs a goal. In the end undone by pace and inability to control the game in midfield. When we go to the next level, we'll want more control in the centre

 

Absolutely right. Hammond harried, but his final balls were often poor. Schneiderlin also in my book failed to stand out at all. He is generally accurate with his passes but he has no real cutting edge for me.

 

We also paid the price for indecisiveness for their first two goals (I discount the last two, we were looking to equalise in a cup match). Thomas stood too far off, showed too much of the goal and let him shoot with his right foot from the left side - poor defending, and we had three other defenders watching him. Their second goal also was caused by Harding momentarily watching the oncoming midfielder play the ball and then almost stopping to watch Perry slide in, rather than carrying on to follow the winger and get goal side of him. It's that pausing to watch that undoes us quite a lot, Harding’s main fault, which I’ve posted about before.

 

And just what was the purpose behind Lambert taking corners and (poorly) floated free kicks?

 

Antonio for me was better than Waigo and always looked likely to get in behind, but Lallana's finishing is very weak - no power in his shots or headers. But we should raelly have buried them before we went one behind.

[Liquidshokk]

Oh the joys of working under a PO postcode. Our water cooler service guy just came in extremely chirpy and said "yep im alright, great result at the weekend so Im ok" He then went on to start telling a joke about saints but I quickly butted in and said "I dont wanna hear it im a saints supporter..." He then openly admitted that we were all over them first half and that it was a great game.. He also agreed that he'd rather be in our position than theirs... Made me feel a bit better...

 

(Still hate them)

[Legod Third Coming]

Absolutely right. Hammond harried, but his final balls were often poor. Schneiderlin also in my book failed to stand out at all. He is generally accurate with his passes but he has no real cutting edge for me.

 

We also paid the price for indecisiveness for their first two goals (I discount the last two, we were looking to equalise in a cup match). Thomas stood too far off, showed too much of the goal and let him shoot with his right foot from the left side - poor defending, and we had three other defenders watching him. Their second goal also was caused by Harding momentarily watching the oncoming midfielder play the ball and then almost stopping to watch Perry slide in, rather than carrying on to follow the winger and get goal side of him. It's that pausing to watch that undoes us quite a lot, Harding’s main fault, which I’ve posted about before.

 

And just what was the purpose behind Lambert taking corners and (poorly) floated free kicks?

 

Antonio for me was better than Waigo and always looked likely to get in behind, but Lallana's finishing is very weak - no power in his shots or headers. But we should raelly have buried them before we went one behind.

 

I think what you have identified very astutely is that we are a League One side with League One players on the whole...

 

Speed of thought is what distinguishes between those who will stay at this sort of level (Thomas, Harding even?) and those who won't.

 

Take Perry. The guy can think it, now he just doesn't have the legs to keep up with a Utaka or Quincy Jones/ME! He reads the game beautifully though and many of our others players do not - yet. Some never will.

 

I think it's fair to say both their first two goals had an element of luck. Spiderman played it straight to their player for the first. The second the ball only just reached the scorer via an oustretched leg (although I agree Harding was ball-watching, see above!!)

 

Our guys are good, just not Premiership class.

 

If one of the early chances goes in - different game, mind!

[Ken Tone]

But it buys them time to find a real owner.

 

My view for what it's worth, is that the premiership will do all they can to keep them in business this season, to avoid the problems of how to deal with all the consequences of them not fulfilling fixtures.

 

However they won't give a damn about them going out of business after the season ends.

 

They've already said they will not advance the parachute payments , but will provide reasurance to HMRC that that money will become available at the normal time. I reckon that means they hope that HMRC will hold off on the winding up for now, on the promise of their £11 million by late summer. After that Pompey are on their own, but an even less attractive proposition to buy ... in the CCC still owing about £50 million, with a whole load of players still on ludicrously highly paid contracts reluctant to go and with no other club daft enough to buy them on those wages ..and the first year's parachute money already spent on HMRC. So still with outgoings well above income.

 

Administration would still be their only way out, in the hope of a lucky find of a new owner buying them on the cheap like we had, but the owners would still want to avoid admin as they'd lose everything ... so Pompey are still buggered in short. The *best* they can hope for is administration in the CCC.

 

 

k.

[Legod Third Coming]

My view for what it's worth, is that the premiership will do all they can to keep them in business this season, to avoid the problems of how to deal with all the consequences of them not fulfilling fixtures.

 

However they won't give a damn about them going out of business after the season ends.

 

They've already said they will not advance the parachute payments , but will provide reasurance to HMRC that that money will become available at the normal time. I reckon that means they hope that HMRC will hold off on the winding up for now, on the promise of their £11 million by late summer. After that Pompey are on their own, but an even less attractive proposition to buy ... in the CCC still owing about £50 million, with a whole load of players still on ludicrously highly paid contracts reluctant to go and with no other club daft enough to buy them on those wages ..and the first year's parachute money already spent on HMRC. So still with outgoings well above income.

 

Administration would still be their only way out, in the hope of a lucky find of a new owner buying them on the cheap like we had, but the owners would still want to avoid admin as they'd lose everything ... so Pompey are still buggered in short. The *best* they can hope for is administration in the CCC.

 

 

k.

 

For this reason, it is imperative we make those play-offs and then enjoy a date wih destiny twice next season!!!

[Under Weststand]

Watched the game in a pub in Torquay with a load of Arsenal Fans, they were very complimentary, we really didn't deserve to loose 4-1, but once again we paid for missed chances. We outplayed them 1st half & probably should have been 2-0 up, the big difference was their clinical finishing, & in the last 25-mins when chasing the game it exposed our ageing & slow defence.

Wonder If we could get O'Hara here in the summer? he really was the big difference for them Saturday, so thanks FA/EPL for allowing them to get players in whilst insolvent, no O'Hara & I think we'd have been celebrating & not them.

[eelpie]

For this reason, it is imperative we make those play-offs and then enjoy a date wih destiny twice next season!!!

 

Yep. I would say to our players, do not be disheartened - you guys did well on Saturday, so get your revenge by winning every match till the end of the season and we will trounce them in the CCC!!!

 

It is doable. Play like you did on Saturday and we WILL do it!

[Foxstone]

Proud of the lads on Saturday.

 

As my work colleague Skates freely admit - It was never a 4-1 game and we outfought and outplayed them in the first half and the first part of the second.

 

It was purely that their Prem class players were able to capitalise once the game opened up late on, and their finishing was of course clinical.

 

Antonio my MOTM just ahead of Lallana.

[krissyboy31]

if Barnard didnt stop it, the ball would of flew off for a corner. No way could Lalllallanna get it.

 

He wasn't offside then, it was when the ball broke after Lallana's shot was blocked. Barnard lashed it in from an offside position but Lallana was right behind him and as he was the one that had the shot, wouldn't have been offside.

[suewhistle]

No, you should have been buried at half time. Neutral fans were laughing at your players as well in the pub..

 

In my Italian bar I had to explain we were the third division club. They were impressed with the crowd and the atmosphere. Did the reputation of English football and its support no end of good!

[pfc123]

Agreed, me too. And the better side lost today....

 

You were thrashed 4-1 in your own back yard. 4-1 !!! Clearly you weren't anywhere near being the "better side"........

[pfc123]

Singing "Pay Up Pompey" DOESN'T WORK as it just sounds like we're joining in with them!

 

Yep, agree. I was down in Devon watching on the box and the Chimes came through loud and clear throughout, so thanks for that!

[Smirking_Saint]

You were thrashed 4-1 in your own back yard. 4-1 !!! Clearly you weren't anywhere near being the "better side"........

 

So you,

 

A. Didn't have the bottle to go ??

 

Or

 

B. Are just a foul smelling WUM - Wind up Mong

[ottery st mary]

We did quite well for 70 minutes......Realistically Pompey are a VERY, VERY ..POOR side and that is why they are where they are...regardless of millions of Tax payers money being stolen...

[pfc123]

So you,

 

A. Didn't have the bottle to go ??

 

Or

 

B. Are just a foul smelling WUM - Wind up Mong

 

Couldn't get a ticket old chap........