Saints V Skates - Afters.

[SFC Forever]

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie Wayman

Our lads must understand that a game of football lasts 90 minutes not 75 and they need to train harder to stay fit physically and more importantly mentally for the full 90. They gave their all for sure but ending up knackered at 75 minutes and not being able to run with their opponents is downright criminal. Mind you with a back four whom will soon be eligible for their state pensions we were always likely to end up with egg on our faces against Pompey's lightning strike force.

 

On the whole Pardew gets it about right in his post-match piece but we can't get too relaxed as Pompey are the worst team in the Prem by far and really only of mid-table CCC standard. If we had serious aspirations for the CCC next year - which I have always doubted - then this demonstartion of last-ditch rugged determination rather than skilful ball-play surely underlines that such aspirations are fanciful.

 

The back four today were unpardonably awful, they got away with it for 60 minutes only because Lallana, Hammond & Schneiderlin bossed the middle of the park so not letting Pompey get their act together. Once that trio were knackered the back four were overwhelmed and their limitations cruelly exposed. Thank goodness it's only our reserve back four these days.

 

Otherwise, trust An-bloody-tonio to forget to turn up for the ONE match that really matters most to us lot. We might have done better with 11 but there you go!

 

 

 

Strange

 

the TV commentators here reckoned he was one of our most important players on the pitch - a "superb outlet" making himself available, a world class run and cross which Lallana should have scored and tackling back in our penalty area.

 

Not my views, just people paid to give them for the global coverage

 

 

 

We ran the show mostly until starting to run out of steam. The second goal was symptematic of where we were at the beginning of this season. Too slow in defence and when we started chasing the game we had no cover for the slowest man on the team.

 

I am proud and still in my colours because the team gave their all. Nobody can complain about the effort only the missed opportunities and maybe's.

[doggface]

I am really surprised at the straw clutching going on here tonight.

Yes absolutely I agree with some of the posts made about our medium and long term prospects but IMO that all goes out the window on derby day it's all about who comes out on top on the day.

Fact is we got dicked 1-4 by a poor skates side at home, it hurts like hell but thats the reality.

We battled really well up to the equaliser, but if you miss chance after chance at 0-0 you will get punished by teams at a higher level. Before the game it was so obvious what our weak spots were, however though hard work and discipline we gave ourselves a great platform to win the game. What really ****es me off is that after doing so well to score a crucial equaliser we suddenly lost all shape and discipline for the 2nd goal - absolutely suicidal, wtf were they doing.

Game is over 90 mins not 65-70 and the result was unacceptable IMO.

[Chez]

Otherwise, trust An-bloody-tonio to forget to turn up for the ONE match that really matters most to us lot. We might have done better with 11 but there you go!

 

Strange

 

the TV commentators here reckoned he was one of our most important players on the pitch - a "superb outlet" making himself available, a world class run and cross which Lallana should have scored and tackling back in our penalty area.

 

Not my views, just people paid to give them for the global coverage

 

he beat three players allhands up, got to the byeline and delivered the perfect cross for Lallana. Quite simply you could not ask any more of a winger on that occasion. Notg quite enough of those occasions.

 

IMO Hammond was the weak link today. He looked miles off the pace again and O'Hara gave him the run around.

[Rusty]

4 Losing to a team with a goal scorer who has not be purchased for for in accordance with his contract and registration is questionable

Actually according to RC Lens, Dindane has been purchased.

[Chez]

I am really surprised at the straw clutching going on here tonight.

Yes absolutely I agree with some of the posts made about our medium and long term prospects but IMO that all goes out the window on derby day it's all about who comes out on top on the day.

Fact is we got dicked 1-4 by a poor skates side at home, it hurts like hell but thats the reality.

We battled really well up to the equaliser, but if you miss chance after chance at 0-0 you will get punished by teams at a higher level. Before the game it was so obvious what our weak spots were, however though hard work and discipline we gave ourselves a great platform to win the game. What really ****es me off is that after doing so well to score a crucial equaliser we suddenly lost all shape and discipline for the 2nd goal - absolutely suicidal, wtf were they doing.

Game is over 90 mins not 65-70 and the result was unacceptable IMO.

 

hard to argue with any of that.

[Chez]

Actually according to RC Lens, Dindane has been purchased.

 

Massive Strawclutch: illegally signed player leads to sates being thrown out if competition. Never ever going to happen.

[Barry the Badger]

What really ****es me off is that after doing so well to score a crucial equaliser we suddenly lost all shape and discipline for the 2nd goal - absolutely suicidal, wtf were they doing.

 

They were knackered.

[doggface]

They were knackered.

 

oh thats ok then

 

Maybe pards should have explained to them the game finishes at just after 90 mins so they could have paced themselves.

[maxi_sopez]

Thought the scoreline was harsh, we should have scored in the first half if we wanted to win it. they were so sh!t in defence, but deadly on the break. O'hara was the class player , if we stopped him could have been different.

 

still really hurts, especially being there and watching them celerbate

[SaintBobby]

Re: Antonio

 

He's not the finished article. But I think he is the starting article!

 

The weaknesses in his game are (overwhlemingly and sometimes embarrassingly) positioning and decision-making.

 

E.g. he will sometimes shoot form 40 yards and sometimes take a second touch from 2 yards; he can tackle and hassle quite well - but is often 5 - 10 yards away fro where he should be.

 

His only obvious technical failure is that his crossing % is poor.

 

But I find him an amazingly entertaining player to watch and I think he can easily improve the weaknesses in his game (they are learnable, not intrinsic).

 

If he is able to develop his game, I think he will probably emerge as a striker not a winger.

[Draino76]

Was very impressed with the performance apart from the last 15 minutes or so. We were obviously exposed for pace at the back at the end but thats what I guess you need to pay extra millions of pounds for.

Ricky Lambert showed he could easily play at least Championship level, or maybe higher; same as Lallana; intelligent football today from the pair. Hammond & Schneiderlin were first to every 50:50 ball and if they were to play at that tempo today in the league; we would not lose another game this season.

[RedAndWhite91]

highlights on ITV in a few minutes. If anyone can actually watch it.

[DrZuess1979 the 2nd]

Really proud to be a saints fan tonight

team showed passion and out played our prem? Rivels for well over 70mins only to be hit on the counter

would liked less of a drubbing but haho

[Barry the Badger]

oh thats ok then

 

Maybe pards should have explained to them the game finishes at just after 90 mins so they could have paced themselves.

 

****ing hell mate what do you want? They were up against a premiership side and in order to compete and actually look the better team the players ran themselves into the ground for 70 minutes.

 

If the players had had 'paced themselves' we would still have lost, but tamely. At least we gave it a bloody good go.

 

Miserable b*stard.

[Genk]

****ing hell mate what do you want? They were up against a premiership side and in order to compete and actually look the better team the players ran themselves into the ground for 70 minutes.

 

If the players had had 'paced themselves' we would still have lost, but tamely. At least we gave it a bloody good go.

 

Miserable b*stard.

 

Agree. The pace of Pompey and that little bit more quality in the form of O'Hara caught us out as we went looking for an equalizer.

[Saint Keith]

****ing hell mate what do you want? They were up against a premiership side and in order to compete and actually look the better team the players ran themselves into the ground for 70 minutes.

 

If the players had had 'paced themselves' we would still have lost, but tamely. At least we gave it a bloody good go.

 

Miserable b*stard.

 

This

[trousers]

Was very impressed with the performance apart from the last 15 minutes or so. We were obviously exposed for pace at the back at the end but thats what I guess you need to pay extra millions of pounds for.

Ricky Lambert showed he could easily play at least Championship level, or maybe higher; same as Lallana; intelligent football today from the pair. Hammond & Schneiderlin were first to every 50:50 ball and if they were to play at that tempo today in the league; we would not lose another game this season.

 

Was just thinking about starting a thread on that very subject - Spiderman and Hammond were the unsung heros for me today. For the first time in a while we seemed to boss the midfield (well, for the first 65 mins at least)

 

And the question is, are they going to be able to raise their game to this level of committment for the next 3 months? That will be the key to the rest of our season IMHO

[RedAndWhite91]

Was talking to a very drunk skate in the pub tonight and he said we should not be ashamed, we bossed the game for 70 mins and could have won. He would have taken a draw. He was decent and generous in his praise for us, but then revealed he has John W******d's autograph which somewhat devalued the whole conversation.

[aintforever]

They played well and with a bit of luck we could have won today, we needed to get the first goal. As soon as the game opened up their pace killed us.

 

I thought taking Papa off for Barnard just made things worse.

[Saint_clark]

When all's said and done, with a few hours rest and reflection, despite the fact that we played very well and could easily have won the game, I am still absolutely devastated...

[St_Tel49]

Just shows the difference in quality between Premiership and League 1 finishing

 

 

Great game though really enjoyed it the team played very well

 

My thoughts entirely. It was a cracking game which could easily have gone the other way had we taken our chances in the first half. They scored their breakaways when we had no choice but to go for it. Good effort but poor finishing was what did for us.

By the way - I can also see why they will be relegated - if they get to the end of the season that is. I thought that their "Only one team in Hampshire" song was a bit ironic. Come a couple of weeks that might be true - but not how they meant it!!

[Loyal Saint]

A bad day. Skates were quiet as **** as usual. They need to be drug tested though as most broke the new 100m sprint record when saints lads got anywhere near

[St_Tel49]

He will have learnt that he isn't good enough for the Premier League because he can't convert simple chances. Lambert will have a lot of phone call this week though,

Absolute rubbish - Lallana was one of the players who looked every bit as good as the best of their players.

[The9]

"Only one team in Hampshire" song was a bit ironic. Come a couple of weeks that might be true - but not how they meant it!!

 

I was singing "one team insolvent" in response.

[woodsaint]

he beat three players allhands up, got to the byeline and delivered the perfect cross for Lallana. Quite simply you could not ask any more of a winger on that occasion. Notg quite enough of those occasions.

 

IMO Hammond was the weak link today. He looked miles off the pace again and O'Hara gave him the run around.

 

Disagree totaly. Thought hammond worked tirelessly today, summed up by him tracking back 60 yards to tackle quincy, not once but twice. And this talk of o'hara giving him the run around, didnt see that at all. Ok he played a good pass for pompeys 3rd and was there at the right time to score the 4th but this was when we were chasin the game, looked distinctly average the previous 80 mins.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Decent performance and consensus is scoreline flattered the Fish Botherers. Remember we're going to Wembley - they're not, they're not. And we can pay for the petrol and have enough left over to pay for the fumigation of our stadium after their visit.

[Charlie2008]

I am really surprised at the straw clutching going on here tonight.

Yes absolutely I agree with some of the posts made about our medium and long term prospects but IMO that all goes out the window on derby day it's all about who comes out on top on the day.

Fact is we got dicked 1-4 by a poor skates side at home, it hurts like hell but thats the reality.

We battled really well up to the equaliser, but if you miss chance after chance at 0-0 you will get punished by teams at a higher level. Before the game it was so obvious what our weak spots were, however though hard work and discipline we gave ourselves a great platform to win the game. What really ****es me off is that after doing so well to score a crucial equaliser we suddenly lost all shape and discipline for the 2nd goal - absolutely suicidal, wtf were they doing.

Game is over 90 mins not 65-70 and the result was unacceptable IMO.

 

Top post - my thoughts exactly!

 

[Charlie2008]

decent performance and consensus is scoreline flattered the fish botherers. Remember we're going to wembley - they're not, they're not. And we can pay for the petrol and have enough left over to pay for the fumigation of our stadium after their visit.

 

lol.

[doggface]

****ing hell mate what do you want? They were up against a premiership side and in order to compete and actually look the better team the players ran themselves into the ground for 70 minutes.

 

If the players had had 'paced themselves' we would still have lost, but tamely. At least we gave it a bloody good go.

 

Miserable b*stard.

 

if you are going to make excuses and are happy when we've just been dicked at home by a poor skates side then you need help.

 

Good to see the losing mentality at the club still exists within the fan base after a defeat against our local rivals, it's all ok they tried....yay!

 

Tell that to the skates tomorrow at work, it won't change the history books you happy clappy bastard.

[Professor]

Have seen on TV, Barnard's 'goal' ruled offside. Fair decision as the defenders did leave him offside as the play moved in the area, but he showed true striker's instinct in putting it in the net, and had things around him been different we would have been celebrating a second goal. Well done, Lee, and bad luck.

[Thedelldays]

one ironic chance from them

 

"that's why we're premier league"..lol

 

as for our posters here saying "what did we expect as they have a multi million pound squad".....

 

that should apply to us against the likes of exeter

[waggy]

Mixed emotions about yesterday. Didn't like losing to the blue few but glad that we are out of the cup. We are back in a relegation fight now, especially after yesterdays league results. Yes we have two games in hand over most of our nearest rivals but our next game up against Norwich is gonna be tough.

[John B]

Absolute rubbish - Lallana was one of the players who looked every bit as good as the best of their players.

 

Well I think Window Cleaner has a point.

 

 

Lallana maybe a very good player and gives his all but I feel he rarely puts in a truly match winning performance in League 1

 

Other young Saints players I have seen such as Paine Sydenham Chivers Williams Channon Le Tissier Shearer Wallace R and D have

 

He played well yesterday but did not affect the result in anyway I just want him to do that and then SFC will be on the way to the CCC

Edited 14 February, 2010 by John B

[THEVMAN]

Well I think Window Cleaner has a point.

 

 

Lallana maybe a very good player and gives his all but I feel he rarely puts in a truly match winning performance in League 1

 

Other young Saints players I have seen such as Paine Sydenham Chivers Williams Channon Le Tissier Shearer Wallace R and D have

 

Oh well but not bad to have them legends infront of you .

[daveygwyatt]

forced myself to watch recording of game when i went to bed las night.. As I must admit I spent too much time facing and singing at the blue few and missed a fair bit of the match.

 

Having reflected on the recording I would say we should take a great deal of pride from this.

 

1. O'hara and james apart they were awful (ok they had more pace)

 

2. We have several players to come back into that side (including 2/3 defenders)

 

3. They have no hope (if they survive) of staying up.

 

4. They were poor but we will not play a side as good as them again this season and so there is no reason we cant go unbeaten for rest of season (I include norwich and leeds in this)

 

5. My final point their fantastic fans must have all lost their voice for the first 85 minutes, because we couldnt hear them in the ground and I could not hear them on the telly.

[John B]

Oh well but not bad to have them legends infront of you .

 

They are only legends because they performed well in Div 1 and the Premiership.

 

We are only in League 1 at the moment

[John B]

forced myself to watch recording of game when i went to bed las night.. As I must admit I spent too much time facing and singing at the blue few and missed a fair bit of the match.

 

Having reflected on the recording I would say we should take a great deal of pride from this.

 

1. O'hara and james apart they were awful (ok they had more pace)

 

2. We have several players to come back into that side (including 2/3 defenders)

 

3. They have no hope (if they survive) of staying up.

 

4. They were poor but we will not play a side as good as them again this season and so there is no reason we cant go unbeaten for rest of season (I include norwich and leeds in this)

 

5. My final point their fantastic fans must have all lost their voice for the first 85 minutes, because we couldnt hear them in the ground and I could not hear them on the telly.

 

It is a good job that Pompey were awful otherwise they may have beaten us by more than 4 1.

 

 

Like us last season they have no money and have had to sell their best players.

 

 

If they had had Crouch Defoe Kranjker and Glen Johnson they may have been better.

 

 

Plus others they have recently sold

 

 

Although Saints played well and I enjoyed the game it showed the gulf between League 1 and the Premier League which we have to bridge

Edited 14 February, 2010 by John B

[daveygwyatt]

It is a good job that Pompey were awful otherwise they may have beaten us by more than 4 1.

 

 

Like us last season they have no money and have had to sell their best players.

 

 

If they had had Crouch Defoe Kranjker and Glen Johnson they may have been better.

 

 

Plus others they have recently sold

 

 

Although Saints played well and I enjoyed the game it showed the gulf between League 1 and the Premier League which we have to bridge

 

I dont think their defence

 

I did not see a real gulf between the 2 teams, they scored 4 because we were chasing the game. I agree we are a long way from a premier league side... but so are pompey....And im sure if they had their old team (with the 55mil wage bill) then they would have been better of course they would!

[John B]

. I agree we are a long way from a premier league side... but so are pompey....

 

 

Yes that is my point

[daveygwyatt]

sorry john took your post the wrong way..

[yorkie]

After a very long day yesterday - 4-hours in the car, 3-hours in the pub, the quickest 90-minutes I can recall, another hour and a half in the pub followed by another 4-hours in the car, and waching the FACup highlights (sadist that I am) I have the following thoughts:

1) I could not believe the intensity of the noise inside SMS until watching the highlights.

2) W******d is a w*nker

3) They have a very nasty minority hell bent on trouble (outside Entrance A after the game)

4) James got lucky at least 3-times before they scored

5) Barnard so desperate to score - he cost us an equaliser (sorry Lee)

6) The Itchen really rocked

7) I thought we were immense for 70-mins - and tired

When Antonio comes off the right wing to take long throws on the left - why doesn't someone cover the right side of the field? Three of their goals came from the same error.

9) Pompey really got out of jail - Kelving nearly stopped two of their efforts - although I thought he was a bit at fault for the first and third.

10) I had mated from all over saying we were the better team for much of the game

11) Proud to be a Saint

12) Forget about JPT until March 27th - onwards and upwards

13) Will the team stay together next season?

14) Fantastic day out - spoilt my a few mongs from down the M27

15) Yesterday demonstrates to me why we don't want to be ny part of The Premier League...had to queue for toilets, rush my drink - and then leg it to a pub before they locked us out!

 

Having been there I would love to know how the atmosphere came across for those who had to watch the TV...

 

Even at 3-1 down it seemed to be rocking around us!

[Lord Duckhunter]

At least we didn't surrender tamely like we did in the 4-1m at Fratton, or last seasons Cup game against Utd.

 

Every single player gave 100% and you cant ask more than that. Jaiadi and Perry came out of our reserves and have no pace. They played as well as they could until their lack of pace got exposed by us pushing on. Had we taken the lead and been able to defend as a unit, we could have been talking about an historic rearguard action for the last 10.

 

With Puncheon, and Fonte, I reckon we'd have beaten them.

[John B]

At least we didn't surrender tamely like we did in the 4-1m at Fratton, or last seasons Cup game against Utd.

 

Every single player gave 100% and you cant ask more than that. Jaiadi and Perry came out of our reserves and have no pace. They played as well as they could until their lack of pace got exposed by us pushing on. Had we taken the lead and been able to defend as a unit, we could have been talking about an historic rearguard action for the last 10.

 

With Puncheon, and Fonte, I reckon we'd have beaten them.

 

 

We had enough chances to win as it was

[Whitey Grandad]

When Antonio comes off the right wing to take long throws on the left - why doesn't someone cover the right side of the field? Three of their goals came from the same error.

That's a very good point.

 

Overall, not a bad result considering we were playing our reserve team.

[dubai_phil]

Having been there I would love to know how the atmosphere came across for those who had to watch the TV...

 

Even at 3-1 down it seemed to be rocking around us!

 

The TV sound was subdued so that the commentators could be heard.

 

Unfortunately it meant that while we knew you were all screaming PAY up Pompey, it came across as if they were making that noise.

 

Apart from that minor and obvious one though the TV shots of the crowd tended to focus in on idiots in fancy dress (although the guy with the Red & White Striped Dish Dash was funny) and those shots tended to be when there was a lull in the action, so lots of people sitting in the Itchen Centre opposite the cameras and of ML smiling, not so much of entire stands screaming their lungs out

 

Any neutral would have thought it was the usual "canned" noise. Us fans watching knew better, it was a good effort.

[SFC Forever]

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFC Forever

Otherwise, trust An-bloody-tonio to forget to turn up for the ONE match that really matters most to us lot. We might have done better with 11 but there you go!

 

Strange

 

the TV commentators here reckoned he was one of our most important players on the pitch - a "superb outlet" making himself available, a world class run and cross which Lallana should have scored and tackling back in our penalty area.

 

Not my views, just people paid to give them for the global coverage

 

 

he beat three players allhands up, got to the byeline and delivered the perfect cross for Lallana. Quite simply you could not ask any more of a winger on that occasion. Notg quite enough of those occasions.

 

IMO Hammond was the weak link today. He looked miles off the pace again and O'Hara gave him the run around.

 

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CHEZ your are a fecking piece of dogs excrement.

You have made it look like I posted the remarks about Antonio when you and I know that it was not my work.

If you want to make yoursdelf look like the **** you are carry on.

 

 

I have put the whole post below so perhaps you would like to explain before I make a formal complaint. Or are you to thick to understand what you have done?

 

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie Wayman

Our lads must understand that a game of football lasts 90 minutes not 75 and they need to train harder to stay fit physically and more importantly mentally for the full 90. They gave their all for sure but ending up knackered at 75 minutes and not being able to run with their opponents is downright criminal. Mind you with a back four whom will soon be eligible for their state pensions we were always likely to end up with egg on our faces against Pompey's lightning strike force.

 

On the whole Pardew gets it about right in his post-match piece but we can't get too relaxed as Pompey are the worst team in the Prem by far and really only of mid-table CCC standard. If we had serious aspirations for the CCC next year - which I have always doubted - then this demonstartion of last-ditch rugged determination rather than skilful ball-play surely underlines that such aspirations are fanciful.

 

The back four today were unpardonably awful, they got away with it for 60 minutes only because Lallana, Hammond & Schneiderlin bossed the middle of the park so not letting Pompey get their act together. Once that trio were knackered the back four were overwhelmed and their limitations cruelly exposed. Thank goodness it's only our reserve back four these days.

 

Otherwise, trust An-bloody-tonio to forget to turn up for the ONE match that really matters most to us lot. We might have done better with 11 but there you go!

 

 

 

Strange

 

the TV commentators here reckoned he was one of our most important players on the pitch - a "superb outlet" making himself available, a world class run and cross which Lallana should have scored and tackling back in our penalty area.

 

Not my views, just people paid to give them for the global coverage

 

 

 

We ran the show mostly until starting to run out of steam. The second goal was symptematic of where we were at the beginning of this season. Too slow in defence and when we started chasing the game we had no cover for the slowest man on the team.

 

I am proud and still in my colours because the team gave their all. Nobody can complain about the effort only the missed opportunities and maybe's.

[graveworm]

Only saw the game on tv - played well, and really only undone by good finishing and the kind of pace and control you don't find in League 1. Nothing to be ashamed of.

 

Same as that.......simple answer ..you got to take your chances when the are presented to you......we didn`t.........even though they are lost without aa paddle..poopsh*te finished their chances clinically...goals win matches and we refused to take ours.

[Window Cleaner]

Have seen on TV, Barnard's 'goal' ruled offside. Fair decision as the defenders did leave him offside as the play moved in the area, but he showed true striker's instinct in putting it in the net, and had things around him been different we would have been celebrating a second goal. Well done, Lee, and bad luck.

 

 

Lallana should have screamed at him to leave it,perhaps he did though.

[SFC Forever]

****ing hell mate what do you want? They were up against a premiership side and in order to compete and actually look the better team the players ran themselves into the ground for 70 minutes.

 

If the players had had 'paced themselves' we would still have lost, but tamely. At least we gave it a bloody good go.

 

Miserable b*stard.

 

 

 

 

 

If we had been able to score in the time we ran the show we might have been able to relax a bit and then pace ourselves a bit better. Or make a sub or two to strengthen our defence.

 

Yesterday I was down but not because of the way our side played.

If we can produce performances like that with our new faces I will be over the moon./ The first 70 minutes would have destroyed near enough every team in our league if not all. If Pards can get the players to perform like that most weeks any AP doubters(myself included) will soon be back with the rest of you.

Edited 14 February, 2010 by SFC Forever

[Xchurch_Saint]

the morning after............. hmm mostly happy with our performance, i think we were undone by having two centre backs that couldnt do a 100 yards in 12 mins let alone 12 secs... but if only we had taken our chances in the first half when we WERE the better side. Overall im very proud..