Nicola wants better League Results

[trousers]

if NC is having doubts re AP then I would question why he sanctioned around 2 million in transfers and then a couple of weeks later put out a statement which could be interpretated as an ultimatum? providing someone that kind of financial support is usually a sign of trust

 

unless cortese has a manager and/or director of football in waiting? Who knows...

[sandwichsaint]

To some extent though we are victims of our own success here ,albeit success in cup competitions.

 

As long as we remain in the JPT and FA Cup,Pardew will out of necessity be permutating his line up depending on availablity - ie those not cup tied - with one eye always on the next fixture.Jaidi we all knew would not be up to two games a week so the centre of defence would always be more of a rotation.

 

 

... Jaidi we all knew would not be up to two games a week .....

 

Is this statement: urban myth, recieved wisdom, or 'fact'?

 

Has it ever been 'officially' said that he can't play two games a week?

 

FYI, Jaidi actually played Saturday-Tuesday-Saturday on three seperate occaisions earlier in the season.

[Window Cleaner]

unless cortese has a manager and/or director of football in waiting? Who knows...

 

 

could explain the change of tack on certain transfers I suppose. Perhaps he has advisors that we don't know about. I'm sure that he does.He's probably a cautious man even though he has a billionaire's money behind him.

[derry]

if NC is having doubts re AP then I would question why he sanctioned around 2 million in transfers and then a couple of weeks later put out a statement which could be interpretated as an ultimatum? providing someone that kind of financial support is usually a sign of trust

 

He may well believe that the players are good and that if Pardew doesn't utilise them satisfactorily then a better manager would.

[Window Cleaner]

... Jaidi we all knew would not be up to two games a week .....

 

Is this statement: urban myth, recieved wisdom, or 'fact'?

 

Has it ever been 'officially' said that he can't play two games a week?

 

FYI, Jaidi actually played Saturday-Tuesday-Saturday on three seperate occaisions earlier in the season.

 

 

 

you never know, after Ipswich (i think it was) AP said Wotton was naze and would have to be rested for the next game (on Tuesday) He was there all the same and again for the game after. Keeps saying Rickie needs a break, plays 90 minutes every week. Pardew says stuff that means diddly squat when he talks about "resting" players.

[ottery st mary]

you never know, after Ipswich (i think it was) AP said Wotton was naze and would have to be rested for the next game (on Tuesday) He was there all the same and again for the game after. Keeps saying Rickie needs a break, plays 90 minutes every week. Pardew says stuff that means diddly squat when he talks about "resting" players.

 

 

Windows you and derry and a few others really have it in for Pards:?:

 

Are you a team of ITKs or are you giving your own opinion or WUM non Saints or axe to grind:rolleyes:

 

Has Uncle Alan really upset you boyzz?

 

I would never suggest you make things up as you go along..regardless of what some think:D

 

COYRs

[Pilchards]

He may well believe that the players are good and that if Pardew doesn't utilise them satisfactorily then a better manager would.

 

There are plenty of managers that get results in our league with so much less.

 

The one worried I have had for a few years now is when we buy a great player they start off so well and then they turn average.

Noting Hammond here and my fears are Puncheon/forge too, we miss the George Prost method of coaching I guess

[Window Cleaner]

There are plenty of managers that get results in our league with so much less.

 

The one worried I have had for a few years now is when we buy a great player they start off so well and then they turn average.

Noting Hammond here and my fears are Puncheon/forge too, we miss the George Prost method of coaching I guess

 

Prost never coached the first team, it's not what he does. He prepares young players to be the finished article the instant the first team manager has need of them. I bet Morgan talks to him on the phone..a lot.

[Glasgow_Saint]

From a very reliable source..Man in pub...

 

When AC Milan approached NC for top position, part of the offer was to bring Pards as manager.....

 

Pards refused as he wanted to finish the five year plan at Saints....Therefore Milan dropped NC like a ton of bricks.....

 

I will check with my source but he has been more reliable than some of the ITKs on this forum...

 

 

Good man Pards..keep up the good work..

 

COYRs

 

PMSL

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I think NC is just saying what some of us on here have recognised over the last 3 months. The side is not playing well and although we have picked up ugly wins, we haven't picked up any pretty ones. The standard of the football has been poor.

 

When you let a team like Exeter off the ropes, only for them to nearly deliver the ko blow you know there is a problem.

 

I really don't want to see AP go because we just do not need upheavel but, let's not forget as far as NC is concerned there has been no upheavel. I don't think AP will be here at the start of the season because quite simply we will not finish anywhere near the play offs and that is not good enough for NC.

 

And Steve Coppell has not got any desires to come back into football just yet. A mate of mine went with him to the recent Reading v Burnley Cup-tie and asked if he was still interested in the Saints job and he replied in the negative. Doesn't mean that NC won't have another go at persuading him though.

 

A shame really because this debate and uncertainty is not needed in this week of all weeks but maybe NC has spoken when he has for a reason.

[Window Cleaner]

Windows you and derry and a few others really have it in for Pards:?:

 

Are you a team of ITKs or are you giving your own opinion or WUM non Saints or axe to grind:rolleyes:

 

Has Uncle Alan really upset you boyzz?

 

I would never suggest you make things up as you go along..regardless of what some think:D

 

COYRs

 

You're wrong OSM, nothing would give me more pleasure than to see our current set up getting realistic results every week. But I just can't help feeling that with the squad we have we could do so so so much better. Something isn't right, the players don't look sharp, they're not at 100% of their ability although their effort probably can't be faulted.I see chances going begging and yet the midfield gets the blame and that's not right.If there are chances they need to be put away. When we put one more than the opposition away every week there will be no moaning or criticism.

 

 

ITK???about football probably more than most, not to blow my own trumpet like.

Edited 8 February, 2010 by Window Cleaner

[buctootim]

What concerns me almost as much as the poor results is that in the last 6 or so games many of the players have looked ****ed off and disinterested.

 

Pardew now has almost entirely his own team. Weve spent very big for this league and yet if it wasnt for KD I firmly believe we'd be in the relegation zone of Lg1. That is poor performance by the manager - whether because of buying the wrong players, deploying the wrong tactics or simply failing to gel the team. Its not unreasonable for Cortese to be clear about what he expects.

Edited 8 February, 2010 by buctootim

[derry]

Windows you and derry and a few others really have it in for Pards:?:

 

Are you a team of ITKs or are you giving your own opinion or WUM non Saints or axe to grind:rolleyes:

 

Has Uncle Alan really upset you boyzz?

 

I would never suggest you make things up as you go along..regardless of what some think:D

 

COYRs

 

I have no axe to grind, I don't like the way we play under Pardew. I don't rate the team selections and the way the players are used.

 

I do know that Leibherr and Cortese don't like the way we play because Pardew has admitted it. I know Cortese isn't happy with the results. I feel the same way as we are only beating the mediocre sides in this league and have won once against the top ten.

[ottery st mary]

You're wrong OSM, nothing would give me more pleasure than to see our current set up getting realistic results every week. But I just can't help feeling that with the squad we have we could do so so so much better. Something isn't right, the players don't look sharp, they're not at 100% of their ability although their effort probably can't be faulted.I see chances going begging and yet the midfield gets the blame and that's not right.If there are chances they need to be put away. When we put one more than the opposition away every week there will be no moaning or criticism.

 

Opinions.........I don't for one minute think NC is even thinking the way some of you on this forum are ...

 

Just hope that he does not give Pards the dreaded vote of confidence..

 

At this time I for one want us to win our next two games then concentrate on the league....

 

By the way I can see right through you

[John B]

I have no axe to grind, I don't like the way we play under Pardew. I don't rate the team selections and the way the players are used.

 

I do know that Leibherr and Cortese don't like the way we play because Pardew has admitted it. I know Cortese isn't happy with the results. I feel the same way as we are only beating the mediocre sides in this league and have won once against the top ten.

 

That is exactly how I see it too.

 

If we were a top team we would be beating lower teams easily we only beat Luton 1 0 from apparently a lucky free kick.

 

It was so boring that I left my seat missed the foul but saw the free kick

[doddisalegend]

With the players we have at our disposal we should beat Stockport 5.,6 or even 7 nil

 

nothing would give me more pleasure than to see our current set up getting realistic results every week.

 

hmmmmm so by realistic you mean beating teams 5, 6 or 7 nil? Yes very realistic. If thats your idea of realistic it's no wonder your uynhappy this season. Has anyone beaten Stockport 7-0 this year?

[Window Cleaner]

Opinions.........I don't for one minute think NC is even thinking the way some of you on this forum are ...

 

Just hope that he does not give Pards the dreaded vote of confidence..

 

At this time I for one want us to win our next two games then concentrate on the league....

 

By the way I can see right through you

 

 

 

good old Ottery, he still has illusions that I actually clean glass windows, now I'm sure that I've explained that before,or given enough clues for you to work it out for yourself.

[Pilchards]

Prost never coached the first team, it's not what he does. He prepares young players to be the finished article the instant the first team manager has need of them. I bet Morgan talks to him on the phone..a lot.

 

That's my point.

 

COACHED!!! can't think of the last manager we had that coached a player other than Strachan.

[Weston Saint]

if NC is having doubts re AP then I would question why he sanctioned around 2 million in transfers and then a couple of weeks later put out a statement which could be interpretated as an ultimatum? providing someone that kind of financial support is usually a sign of trust

I said a few weeks ago the money was likened to a rope. Either for Pardew to pull us into the playoffs or to hang himself. Cortese statement only serves to convince me that was the case. Cortese is a very complicated individual.

[ottery st mary]

I have no axe to grind, I don't like the way we play under Pardew. I don't rate the team selections and the way the players are used.

 

I do know that Leibherr and Cortese don't like the way we play because Pardew has admitted it. I know Cortese isn't happy with the results. I feel the same way as we are only beating the mediocre sides in this league and have won once against the top ten.

 

I will have a word with Uncle Alan and suggest you, Duncan and Windows get down to Staplewood sharpish and sort out plan B:D

 

Last week it was NC..this week it is Pards...next week I can see you with banners at St Marys politely requesting ML to go home..

 

By the way I love all three:smt052

 

COYRs

[View From The Top]

Pardew needs to decide his best 11 and best formation and stick to it.

 

Far to much tinkering going on at the moment.

[doddisalegend]

That is exactly how I see it too.

 

If we were a top team we would be beating lower teams easily we only beat Luton 1 0 from apparently a lucky free kick.

 

It was so boring that I left my seat missed the foul but saw the free kick

 

Well I haven't been to every game this season so maybe I've been lucky. I've seen us win several 3-1s with us playing some nice stuff this year and the match against Ipswhich was a corker. I can't see it being realistic to expect us to win every match let alone win every match by a landslide while serving up the sort of football that Brazil would be proud of.

[Window Cleaner]

I will have a word with Uncle Alan and suggest you, Duncan and Windows get down to Staplewood sharpish and sort out plan B:D

 

Last week it was NC..this week it is Pards...next week I can see you with banners at St Marys politely requesting ML to go home..

 

By the way I love all three:smt052

 

COYRs

 

I would that I could OSM, I asked for this week off but was told that my country needs me to be where I am and nowhere else for the time being.

[Tac-tics]

tbh I'm sure Nicola is'nt the only one who wants better bloody results.

 

I still think Pardew is the man too.

[derry]

I will have a word with Uncle Alan and suggest you, Duncan and Windows get down to Staplewood sharpish and sort out plan B:D

 

Last week it was NC..this week it is Pards...next week I can see you with banners at St Marys politely requesting ML to go home..

 

By the way I love all three:smt052

 

COYRs

 

What are you on? I personally rate Cortese and like what he is doing. Markus can do what he damn well likes. Pardew on the other hand is halfway down the greasy pole and unless he sorts things out, he will be sooner rather than later on his way.

[ottery st mary]

I would that I could OSM, I asked for this week off but was told that my country needs me to be where I am and nowhere else for the time being.

 

No lame excuses, get your shammy and ladder and get those windows sorted at Staplewood before they pull down the building.....Duncan wants to get a photo for the history books.

 

I know you are in the Wrens...I just won't tell anyone on the forum:smt052

 

Do you knoe TDD by the way?

 

COYRs

 

 

Only joking Windows....Just remembered who you are.......I am on your side

Edited 8 February, 2010 by ottery st mary

[DT]

From a very reliable source..Man in pub...

 

When AC Milan approached NC for top position, part of the offer was to bring Pards as manager.....

 

Pards refused as he wanted to finish the five year plan at Saints....Therefore Milan dropped NC like a ton of bricks.....

 

I will check with my source but he has been more reliable than some of the ITKs on this forum...

 

 

Good man Pards..keep up the good work..

 

COYRs

AC Bournemouth much more likely. Alan Pardew for Milan? Come on.

[david in sweden]

Yes but he wants it at a price. Fair enough as that is his job, but if he is blocking some moves and sanctioning cheaper ones he needs to take some of the flak if, as looks likely, we don't reach the play offs this season.

 

A goal scoring midfielder like Danns would have been ideal.

 

The Palace manager " persuaded " Danns that he would be better off " career-wise " if he stayed with them.

Now that they have -10 points (we know all about that - don't we?)..IF... they avoid relegation - he may be right .

[Window Cleaner]

No lame excuses, get your shammy and ladder and get those windows sorted at Staplewood before they pull down the building.....Duncan wants to get a photo for the history books.

 

I know you are in the Wrens...I just won't tell anyone on the forum:smt052

 

Do you knoe TDD by the way?

 

COYRs

 

:cool::cool::cool::cool:

 

I certainly have be in a few Wrens in my time, no longer the case though.

Edited 8 February, 2010 by Window Cleaner

[Dig Dig]

I said a few weeks ago the money was likened to a rope. Either for Pardew to pull us into the playoffs or to hang himself. Cortese statement only serves to convince me that was the case. Cortese is a very complicated individual.

 

if this is the case then I guess the question is, has AP had enough time with the new signings in order to work out what to do with the rope? punch only made his debut on sat for example. if cortese decides to get someone in soon then whoever that is must be happy to work with the current squad instead of bringing in their own lot

[ottery st mary]

AC Bournemouth much more likely. Alan Pardew for Milan? Come on.

 

:D:D:D

 

Come on..........It was Salisbury all along:)

[Willo]

I suspect NC knows we can't reach the play-offs now...but he will know that if we are to keep our better players and attract even better new players in the summer, we need to convine everyone that we are dead-certs to get automatic next year. I think that is why the way we finish this season is so vitally important.

[Deanovski]

i do think alot of people should shut up, i moan when we lose but we did ask for new signings, they happened now we moan he isnt playing a settled team ffs puncheon has played one game.

[Bailey]

In truth, I think people are making more of a deal out of this statement then they need to.

 

At the end of the day, Cortese is just highlighting what a number of fans have been saying for the last month or so. We're not winning enough league games, we keep letting leads slip and we're not playing 'attractive' football. Considering how much money the owners have given Pardew to spend in the January transfer window, it's only right that they expect to see some sort of return on their investment.

 

In a way, it's good to see Cortese managing his employee (AP), but whether piling the pressure on Pards publicly is the best thing to do, only time will tell! I don't think AP's job is under threat just yet, but this public warning is a strong indication as to the expectations that Cortese and Liebherr have.

[fanimal]

He should have kept his powder dry until the end of March after our 5 home League games, that would have been a better point in time to amke an assessment of performance to date IMO.

[Channon's Sideburns]

Pardew is quoted by Solent in response to Cortese by saying 'That's his opinion'.

 

Which, depending on how you read it could mean nothing, or something.

[alpine_saint]

I don't get it. We have most people saying the playoffs aren't realistic this season. So given that, what are we moaning about? If it's unrealistic, then this season is about giving time to build a good team from a good squad. We have players who've played a handful of games together, we clearly have excellent attacking options.

 

Once again, most of you said at the start of the season you'd give Pardew time, probably until the end of next season give the -10 and lack of time this season. It's always the same with new managers. Saints fans moan about the frequent managerial changes, say they'll be patient with the next one, say they have no unrealistic expectations this time, then get fed up in the first season and change their minds. Surely you can't say the playoffs were unrealistic AND we're underachieving? Which is it? Should we be going up this season or waiting for next season? Is starting yet again with another manager going to help? Will that manager get more time to start again and build a team?

 

I imagine we'll lose at Norwich the form they're in, but we have plenty of winnable games after that and I'm sure with the cup games out the way and a more settled side we'll start to show what we can do and go on a winning run. Doesn't mean we'll get in the playoffs, but if we finish within 10 points, it's not Pardew's fault we didn't make it, it's the administration ruling. And given the lack of any team for the first 5-10 games, making the playoffs in the real table is good enough for me.

 

Of course you can. What is this nonsense ?

 

Because of the -10 and the crap first 10 games, we were never going to make the playoffs perhaps, but this team and the amount it cost should be showing the quality and building up the momentum that means next season is going to be a f**king cakewalk.

 

Instead, we are going to places like Exeter and getting hoodwinked by the pitch, apparently

[boxosponge]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4994673.Body_found_in_River_Itchen/?ref=mr

 

Been watching to many Godfather movies lately

[Window Cleaner]

Pardew is quoted by Solent in response to Cortese by saying 'That's his opinion'.

 

Which, depending on how you read it could mean nothing, or something.

 

 

 

Smells of burning tea towel to me. (Look up le torchon brûle,which comes from 14th century French)

[SFC Forever]

That's my point.

 

COACHED!!! can't think of the last manager we had that coached a player other than Strachan.

 

 

Who piscked the new members of staff then?

Oh yes, the manager.

 

A managers job is to manage. He employs staff to do his will.

 

At least that is how I used to operate in my little world.

 

The whole thing under AP is not working efficiently so who do we blame if not the manager?

[JackFrost]

I think next season will be easier if anything as not only do we get to start on 0, but Leeds and one of or both Norwich and Charlton will be in the Championship, they'll be replaced by teams who IMO aren't as good, teams like Peterborough, Plymouth etc.

 

That said next season we HAVE to get out of the blocks fast and achieve what Norwich/Charlton/Leeds are achieving this season.

 

Play off spot is the absolute minimum next season

[John B]

Well I haven't been to every game this season so maybe I've been lucky. I've seen us win several 3-1s with us playing some nice stuff this year and the match against Ipswhich was a corker. I can't see it being realistic to expect us to win every match let alone win every match by a landslide while serving up the sort of football that Brazil would be proud of.

 

I think it is only since Christmas our form has dipped but that happens to all teams but I was hoping for some better pergformances.

 

I shall be at St Mary's tomorrow so I hope to see a good game

[jam]

I think NC is just saying what some of us on here have recognised over the last 3 months. The side is not playing well and although we have picked up ugly wins, we haven't picked up any pretty ones. The standard of the football has been poor.

 

When you let a team like Exeter off the ropes, only for them to nearly deliver the ko blow you know there is a problem.

 

I really don't want to see AP go because we just do not need upheavel but, let's not forget as far as NC is concerned there has been no upheavel. I don't think AP will be here at the start of the season because quite simply we will not finish anywhere near the play offs and that is not good enough for NC.

 

And Steve Coppell has not got any desires to come back into football just yet. A mate of mine went with him to the recent Reading v Burnley Cup-tie and asked if he was still interested in the Saints job and he replied in the negative. Doesn't mean that NC won't have another go at persuading him though.

 

A shame really because this debate and uncertainty is not needed in this week of all weeks but maybe NC has spoken when he has for a reason.

 

According to the Echo, NC stated that he 'is "looking forward to the team getting back to winning ways" at Carrow Road'.

 

I think the key point he's making though is that in the great scheme of things, this week's games aren't that important (besides, it's not really fair on the team to expect them to turn over Portsmouth).

 

Unfortunately the next game is the toughest remaining league game of the season but NC could hardly say "I look forward to seeing the team get back to winning ways against Wycombe but am not getting my hopes up about Norwich".

[Saint_clark]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4994673.Body_found_in_River_Itchen/?ref=mr

 

Been watching to many Godfather movies lately

 

If it's Ian Murray, then I will seriously start to worry about who is running our club

[S-Clarke]

Pardew is quoted by Solent in response to Cortese by saying 'That's his opinion'.

 

Which, depending on how you read it could mean nothing, or something.

 

just listening to his interview on saints tv - and he looks different, coming across a tad nervous, looking like he's ****ting himself tbh when questioned about Nicola's comments. - acting very defensively.

 

trust me, he does not want to fail here, i don't want him to fail either. He's in a position where he has to rebuild his reputation, so failing here is not an option for him.

[lordswoodsaints]

perhaps NC has realised that the job of getting out of L1 can be achieved a lot sooner than expected and perhaps pardew doesn't agree?

[ALWAYS_SFC]

If he doesn't give Pardew next season to get us promoted then it is ridiculous IMO.

 

I have to agree with that...

[shurlock]

just listening to his interview on saints tv - and he looks different, coming across a tad nervous, looking like he's ****ting himself tbh when questioned about Nicola's comments. - acting very defensively.

 

trust me, he does not want to fail here, i don't want him to fail either. He's in a position where he has to rebuild his reputation, so failing here is not an option for him.

 

Sounds quite low and tired in the interview - maybe its also the weekend blues, the exeter result coupled with fact that its now two weeks before he can put things right again in the league.

[Thedelldays]

well...either way

 

lets see if Pardew is up to dealing with the pressure..

[Window Cleaner]

Sounds quite low and tired in the interview - maybe its also the weekend blues, the exeter result coupled with fact that its now two weeks before he can put things right again in the league.

 

 

it does seem that the Exeter result has had a bad effect on morale all round. seemed to be saying that the players aren't (as yet) up for either of this week's matches.