ALWAYS_SFC Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 How long is a piece of string? NC will have given AP year by year targets (just like everyone gets in a job) AP is paid a kings ransom and for that premium wage he has extra pressure in his job/targets. I would expect that APs remit this season was top 6? He possibly has some materiality factored in (i.e would be top 6 without the -10) if he fails then he will rightly be reviewed. If NC cant see things changing dramatically then why would he stick with him? Ah! now you know the SFC wage structure...is there no end to your superior knowledge...:smt119 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Ah! now you know the SFC wage structure...is there no end to your superior knowledge...:smt119 AP is very well paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 How long is a piece of string? NC will have given AP year by year targets (just like everyone gets in a job) AP is paid a kings ransom and for that premium wage he has extra pressure in his job/targets. I would expect that APs remit this season was top 6? He possibly has some materiality factored in (i.e would be top 6 without the -10) if he fails then he will rightly be reviewed. If NC cant see things changing dramatically then why would he stick with him? yes, year by year target. he has been in the job for 6mths!!! Everyone, bar you realises that this year was going to be one for rebuilding for numerous reasons its not been as quick as some would like but to start calling for his head is mentle imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 yes, year by year target. he has been in the job for 6mths!!! Everyone, bar you realises that this year was going to be one for rebuilding for numerous reasons its not been as quick as some would like but to start calling for his head is mentle imo. If we finish the season outside the top 6 (with or without the minus 6) will you be convinced that automatic promotion will happen next season? If so why? NC wants to see us moving forward and becuae of the serious investment he will expect to see that happen fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Due to spend and certain results our expectation level has risen somewhat where, unlike the start of the season, most were content with survival, it seems now most want Wembley and play offs. . Good point. I said when they arrived that this season that I would be happy it it were one of consolidation but as you say expectation has since risen. The reason for this is some fans bigging up the chances of reaching the play offs when in reality we were never in with a shout . We all foolishly got our hopes up after a good autumn, but really the team have never really been playing THAT well, especially recently. And the money spent on new players has meant we are now seen as the M City of Div 2, and when people spend serious money they want instant improvement. NC was unhappy after the Millwall game because his new defence did not hang on for 3 points. Unrealistic? Maybe but he and ML have backed AP with cash and they want to see tangible improvements. Unfortunately if anything things have got worse and the standard of football over the last 3 months has been poor, and I speak as someone who has seen most games over that period. The 2nd halves yesterday and v Brentford were shocking. I like the way AP speaks, carries himself and I think he has a real feel for the game but from recent evidence I am having doubts as to his tactical nous. It will be a great pity if this does work out, but AP was never NC's first choice and I don't think he will hesitate if he does not get what he thinks he ought. Pardew places a lot of emphasis on the pressure he is under in today's Observer and for me his words spoke volumes. Two wins this week and this wobble will go away. Fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Good point. I said when they arrived that this season that I would be happy it it were one of consolidation but as you say expectation has since risen. The reason for this is some fans bigging up the chances of reaching the play offs when in reality we were never in with a shout . We all foolishly got our hopes up after a good autumn, but really the team have never really been playing THAT well, especially recently. And the money spent on new players has meant we are now seen as the M City of Div 2, and when people spend serious money they want instant improvement. NC was unhappy after the Millwall game because his new defence did not hang on for 3 points. Unrealistic? Maybe but he and ML have backed AP with cash and they want to see tangible improvements. Unfortunately if anything things have got worse and the standard of football over the last 3 months has been poor, and I speak as someone who has seen most games over that period. The 2nd halves yesterday and v Brentford were shocking. I like the way AP speaks, carries himself and I think he has a real feel for the game but from recent evidence I am having doubts as to his tactical nous. It will be a great pity if this does work out, but AP was never NC's first choice and I don't think he will hesitate if he does not get what he thinks he ought. Pardew places a lot of emphasis on the pressure he is under in today's Observer and for me his words spoke volumes. Two wins this week and this wobble will go away. Fingers crossed. how do you know AP was not NC's first choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjphilsaint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 I am stunned that anyone is considering APs position at this club. He has done and continues to do a very good job at our club. If you really expected a title winning side this season I believe you are a poor judge. If you expected a play off position with our pre-transfer window i believe that you are a bit of a dreamer. As for the post transfer squad, i believe it is getting there and that next year we should expect at least a play off position at the send of next season. This club needs stability and strong leadership and i think it has that. Sadly too many supportters are impatient/intolerant and want overnight success! This may be a sign of the times , but i for one think that ML/NC/AP attitude is a healthy one of expectation based on realistic time frames and budgets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 If we finish the season outside the top 6 (with or without the minus 6) will you be convinced that automatic promotion will happen next season? If so why? NC wants to see us moving forward and becuae of the serious investment he will expect to see that happen fast. yes i will be convinced, why? because we would have a more settled squad, and a complete pre-season. No doubt a few will go and one or two in but the squad should have more balance to it. If we werent top 3 by xmas id be joining your calls for a change. I know people hate stats but come on, is this really sacking material? Since Dec 1st W-9 D-3 L-2 This year (2010) W - 4 D - 3 L - 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 yes i will be convinced, why? because we would have a more settled squad, and a complete pre-season. No doubt a few will go and one or two in but the squad should have more balance to it. If we werent top 3 by xmas id be joining your calls for a change. I know people hate stats but come on, is this really sacking material? Since Dec 1st W-9 D-3 L-2 This year (2010) W - 4 D - 3 L - 0 The real stat is 11 wins in 28. That needs questioning imho If he fails next season then its another season wasted. I am not convinced he will improve results dramatically and maybe NC isnt either. Maybe im wrong - we will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 how do you know AP was not NC's first choice? It is my understanding that Steve Coppell was on his way down to sign up but had second thoughts and decided to stick with his plan to have 6 months off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 7 February, 2010 since it is being talked about..I heard about Coppell too..and I have also heard that NC still discusses football with Coppell and has even talked about SC being the sporting Director/DoF Coppell has also been a guest at a few games at SMS this season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 since it is being talked about..I heard about Coppell too..and I have also heard that NC still discusses football with Coppell and has even talked about SC being the sporting Director/DoF Coppell has also been a guest at a few games at SMS this season... Good manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 (edited) Are you clear about what it is that he is trying to achieve? It's not clear to me and a number of others. If we could see the emergence of something I'm sure we would all be much happier. Really !? you can't see an improvement on last season, we are playing much better than last year. AP is trying to achieve the best result possible each game, no manager I can think of goes out to lose matches. That we haven't won every game and that people are getting upset about it says much about todays want it all now culture. I surely can't be the only one who has seen a big improvement on the tripe we've been served up the last two seasons can I? Edited 7 February, 2010 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Really !? you can't see an improvement on last season, we are playing much better than last year. AP is trying to achieve the best result possible each game, no manager I can think of goes out to lose matches. That we haven't won ever game and that people are getting upset about it says much about todays want it all now culture. I surely can't be the only one who has seen a big improvement on the tripe we've been served up the last two seasons can I? I dont think anyone can argue that things have changed. BUT have things changed enough 'considering' We have spend **** loads We have asset stripped a number of L1 clubs BUT We have won 11 games in 28 I cant say things arent better - they are. But L1 is different than the CCC and the last 2 seasons we havent spent more than the whole league combined. You shouldnt need to spend millions to compete in L1 (Charlton, Swindon ect ect) we have but still cant compete????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 would you boycott..? No would you agree...? No would you hold him in the same light as Rupes..? No would you still think he should not bring in a DoF to make these choices..? I always agreed that we should bring one in, as long as they DO NOT interfere with Pardews plans and merely handle negotiations etc between clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 I will report these posts - tired of the personal abuse on here. Communicate like an adult or ignore and move on. Delldays nor I get personal.....try and offer the same respect. You are clearly a boring drone on a wind-up though. Very funny, well done you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Good manager. Until he signs for us, when undoubtedly certain posters on here will become "wary" of him and "unsure" of his ability, before a few months down the line "losing faith quickly". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Until he signs for us, when undoubtedly certain posters on here will become "wary" of him and "unsure" of his ability, before a few months down the line "losing faith quickly". Managers are judged by results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Good yardstick for me will be the points per game Pardew achieves from October until the end of the season. Ignoring the -10. NC could say to AP, you were given time (2 months) to start sorting the issues out. You have been backed in 2 transfer windows. Its not been your team for 8 months. If we are achieving over 2 points per game - then that looks good for next season. If we are below that I think he will want convincing by Pardew about how he is going to increase it over the summer. We are about that mark now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Managers are judged by results. true - good job that WGS didn't come back - imagine the threads against him with how he is doing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 I would be disgusted if Pardew was shown the door at the end of the season if we finished mid table or above. If that happened it would start to validate SOG's Cortese-Lowe comparisons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 (edited) Good point. I said when they arrived that this season that I would be happy it it were one of consolidation but as you say expectation has since risen. The reason for this is some fans bigging up the chances of reaching the play offs when in reality we were never in with a shout . We all foolishly got our hopes up after a good autumn, but really the team have never really been playing THAT well, especially recently. And the money spent on new players has meant we are now seen as the M City of Div 2, and when people spend serious money they want instant improvement. NC was unhappy after the Millwall game because his new defence did not hang on for 3 points. Unrealistic? Maybe but he and ML have backed AP with cash and they want to see tangible improvements. Unfortunately if anything things have got worse and the standard of football over the last 3 months has been poor, and I speak as someone who has seen most games over that period. The 2nd halves yesterday and v Brentford were shocking. I like the way AP speaks, carries himself and I think he has a real feel for the game but from recent evidence I am having doubts as to his tactical nous. It will be a great pity if this does work out, but AP was never NC's first choice and I don't think he will hesitate if he does not get what he thinks he ought. Pardew places a lot of emphasis on the pressure he is under in today's Observer and for me his words spoke volumes. Two wins this week and this wobble will go away. Fingers crossed. What I find somewhat ironic is that the people on here who were bigging up that run in October and November are the very people now lecturing others about having unrealistic expectations for this season.... Edited 7 February, 2010 by alpine_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 think most, not all, were enjoying watching the team they support win, rather than immediately thinking we were strolling to CCC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 surely NC won't want to be associated with the management merry-go-round at SMS of recent years. We have a wealth of new players coming into the team and in our case, like others, ManC, for example, it's going to take time to gel. It takes time. I expect the doom mongers on here are from a younger generation that have no concept of 'giving the manager time'. Far from NC being the person wielding the knife, I fear it is going to be the vocal 'yoof' and their inevitable boos from over heightened expectancy, that could sway the chairman's mind. So shut the feck up, we're in L1 for another year....unfortunately, get behind the team, rain or shine and watch AP take us back to the Prem. Hope the team sorts it out soon though. Tired of all these reports I'm listening to/reading about. People just don't get it. It doesn't make a scrap difference what 'merry go round' has gone on before. That is totally irrelevant to whether AP is up to this job or not - it's just a complete red herring..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 think most, not all, were enjoying watching the team they support win, rather than immediately thinking we were strolling to CCC! What a complete distortion of the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 I am stunned that anyone is considering APs position at this club. He has done and continues to do a very good job at our club. If you really expected a title winning side this season I believe you are a poor judge. If you expected a play off position with our pre-transfer window i believe that you are a bit of a dreamer. As for the post transfer squad, i believe it is getting there and that next year we should expect at least a play off position at the send of next season. This club needs stability and strong leadership and i think it has that. Sadly too many supportters are impatient/intolerant and want overnight success! This may be a sign of the times , but i for one think that ML/NC/AP attitude is a healthy one of expectation based on realistic time frames and budgets. Are you serious? You think the new owners would be satisfied with three years in league one with the money, effort and risk they are putting in? They didn't get where they are today by putting up with 'I'll get it right one day' sir....Come on be realistic, in any business this would not be acceptable so why would football be any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 think most, not all, were enjoying watching the team they support win, rather than immediately thinking we were strolling to CCC! Not enjoying it that much! 11 wins in 28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Enjoying it much! 2 defeats in 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Wow - this pointless one liner, "Im a ****" style of posting is really fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Enjoying it much! 2 defeats in 26 Brighton, Leeds, Colchester? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Wow - this pointless one liner made up, "Im a ****" style of posting is really fun. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 (edited) It is as accurate as your 11 wins in 28 games mantra. The dicussion was about a run of form which obvioulsy doesn't include just league matches. I've had enough of this now anyway. Why I want to waste my time with this kind of crap, I have no idea. Edited 7 February, 2010 by benjii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 It is as accurate as your 11 wins in 28 games mantra. The dicussion was about a run of form which obvioulsy doesn't include just league matches. I've had enough of this now anyway. Why I want to waste my time with this kind of crap, I have no idea. Just keep to the facts and you'll be fine. x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 There is a 5 year plan apparently. I doubt whether promotion this year was part of it. If Cortese was stupid enough to get rid of a decent manager who has been doing a decent job then I would expect that the witch hunters would give NC the same grief they gave RL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 What a complete distortion of the truth. sorry, you are wrong. If you can't enjoy your team winning then something is wrong. Each to their own, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 I would be disgusted if Pardew was shown the door at the end of the season if we finished mid table or above. If that happened it would start to validate SOG's Cortese-Lowe comparisons. Let us hope it doesn't come to that. Mind you, if Pardew was carzy enough to read the posts here he might start to think that he would be better off somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 AP is very well paid. Well paid and kings ransom are very different.. But saying kings ransom made your post have more power didn`t it:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 sorry, you are wrong. If you can't enjoy your team winning then something is wrong. Each to their own, You are one of the biggest culprits. Seeing you get on your high horse now is hillarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Not enjoying it that much! 11 wins in 28 unbeaten in 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonibell Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 How long is a piece of string? As long as you want it to be. Just cut of when you got enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 You are one of the biggest culprits. Seeing you get on your high horse now is hilarious. culprit? lol, the heinous offence was enjoying my team win! my prediction has always been around 9th and remains so. I am surprised you find anything hilarious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 WUM or Devil's Advocate? The former, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 WUM or Devil's Advocate? The former, IMHO. Moi ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 I dont think anyone can argue that things have changed. BUT have things changed enough 'considering' We have spend **** loads We have asset stripped a number of L1 clubs BUT We have won 11 games in 28 I cant say things arent better - they are. But L1 is different than the CCC and the last 2 seasons we havent spent more than the whole league combined. You shouldnt need to spend millions to compete in L1 (Charlton, Swindon ect ect) we have but still cant compete????? So by that reasoning Marcus should be sacking NC for sactioning huge payments of money for **** players. At the end of the day NC decideds how much to spend on players not AP if we've spent loads on players who aren't up to scratch we need a new chairmen not a new manager:smt086 I notice you keep banging on about the money but how many games have most of the new signings played (2-3 for most) of the players we brought in early in the season. Harding was a free Jhadi was a free Murty was free (and mostly injuried) Connolly was a free (and mostly injuried) Papa was a loan Antonnio was a loan Hammond cost us and Lambert cost us So for half a season our expensive squad was made up of frees and the crap from last year plus to expensive signings. Since the transfer window opened How many games have we losted? My point is this super expensive squad has been together only a month so its a bit hard to judge how good they are yet. Oh and to answer your question yes for me things have changed enough for now, next season I'll expect more but this year we've already achieved more than I thought we would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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