This is NOT a 'Pardew out' thread but...

[Dark Munster]

That's 'ruthless'? Thanks, I was under the impression he had fired a lot of under-performing staff in his short time here.

It didn't take him long to get rid of Wotte.

 

Anyway, back to the question. If we finish mid-table, win the JPT and get to the FA cup quarters (or beyond), AP will definitely not be sacked (this season ).

[Legod Third Coming]

If things have not improved by the summer i am sure that Hoddle will be our new manager.

 

I bet you £250 that does not happen.

[adrian lord]

Not Hoddle, please.

[unionhotel]

The same ******* whingers coming out with the same krap! Get behind our team or fook off. It's a 5 year plan - not 5 months.

[andysstuff]

One of the biggest problems we had over the last few years has been the revolving door on the manager's office. We need a period of stability right now.

 

We would have all taken mid table, potential Wembley visit and next Saturday's showdown with the Skates at the start of the season.

 

Chill out, prepare for a great day next Saturday, and enjoy the ride.

[boxosponge]

I'm sure the "plan" is for this season is to be the launching pad.

 

Year 2 its promotion to Championship

 

Year 4 its back to Prem

 

I can't see the knife until this time next year at the earliest: unless we go down this year

[.comsaint]

Like it or not - we are in the THIRD tier of English football - and we have Alan Pardew as our boss. I'm thanking my lucky stars for that! He took over a club that was down on its knees & is/was being asked to perform an (almost) impossible task of dragging the club from the very depths of despair to a position of good standing amongst the footballing world. And lets not forget the much-mentioned 10-point handicap that welcomed him to the club!

 

He is being asked - in a very short space of time - to get the club back to where it rightfully belongs. He has been given terrific backing from the owner/boardroom...and is doing a bloody decent job in my eyes. New players take time to gel. He's switching things around to find his best team and allowing for the hectic schedule - I don't blame him. We've lost our spark lately granted - but show me a club that doesn't have a blip during the season.

 

What we don't need in the summer (let alone now) is yet ANOTHER bloody manager! Pards will get it right - if not this season then next. Whatever anyone else thinks - we're lucky to have him. Very lucky. And he's getting us there.

 

If we all have a fantastic day out at Wembley later this month...and we all celebrate a win over our arch rivals next saturday - suddenly Pards will be the best gaffer since sliced bread with many of the moaners & doubters! But please - not talk of yet ANOTHER manager pleeeeease...

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Like it or not - we are in the THIRD tier of English football - and we have Alan Pardew as our boss. I'm thanking my lucky stars for that! He took over a club that was down on its knees & is/was being asked to perform an (almost) impossible task of dragging the club from the very depths of despair to a position of good standing amongst the footballing world. And lets not forget the much-mentioned 10-point handicap that welcomed him to the club!

 

He is being asked - in a very short space of time - to get the club back to where it rightfully belongs. He has been given terrific backing from the owner/boardroom...and is doing a bloody decent job in my eyes. New players take time to gel. He's switching things around to find his best team and allowing for the hectic schedule - I don't blame him. We've lost our spark lately granted - but show me a club that doesn't have a blip during the season.

 

What we don't need in the summer (let alone now) is yet ANOTHER bloody manager! Pards will get it right - if not this season then next. Whatever anyone else thinks - we're lucky to have him. Very lucky. And he's getting us there.

 

If we all have a fantastic day out at Wembley later this month...and we all celebrate a win over our arch rivals next saturday - suddenly Pards will be the best gaffer since sliced bread with many of the moaners & doubters! But please - not talk of yet ANOTHER manager pleeeeease...

 

Post of the day mate,well done mate.

[Thedelldays]

I think the main thing we have left is if it looks like we could win the league (or at least top 2) next season...

 

 

so far....not sure

[RedAndWhite91]

Like it or not - we are in the THIRD tier of English football - and we have Alan Pardew as our boss. I'm thanking my lucky stars for that! He took over a club that was down on its knees & is/was being asked to perform an (almost) impossible task of dragging the club from the very depths of despair to a position of good standing amongst the footballing world. And lets not forget the much-mentioned 10-point handicap that welcomed him to the club!

 

He is being asked - in a very short space of time - to get the club back to where it rightfully belongs. He has been given terrific backing from the owner/boardroom...and is doing a bloody decent job in my eyes. New players take time to gel. He's switching things around to find his best team and allowing for the hectic schedule - I don't blame him. We've lost our spark lately granted - but show me a club that doesn't have a blip during the season.

 

What we don't need in the summer (let alone now) is yet ANOTHER bloody manager! Pards will get it right - if not this season then next. Whatever anyone else thinks - we're lucky to have him. Very lucky. And he's getting us there.

 

If we all have a fantastic day out at Wembley later this month...and we all celebrate a win over our arch rivals next saturday - suddenly Pards will be the best gaffer since sliced bread with many of the moaners & doubters! But please - not talk of yet ANOTHER manager pleeeeease...

 

Spot on, absolutely right.

[Greenridge]

It didn't take him long to get rid of Wotte.

 

Anyway, back to the question. If we finish mid-table, win the JPT and get to the FA cup quarters (or beyond), AP will definitely not be sacked (this season ).

 

Yes it's quite unusual for a new management team to bring in their own man.

[Block 5]

It is just a question a closed one for that matter. Yes or no. if he wanted an opinion I am sure he would hav asked for it. So maybe it is you that needs to get a grip?

 

It is normal on these threads to provide an opinion, even to a yes/no question.

 

Have you noticed the occasional polls that sometimes call for a yes/no answer?

 

People vote, and then we discuss why people voted the way they did.

 

Here is Wikipedia's guide to internet forums, have a read and learn something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum

[instinct]

I would be very suprised.

 

People have too high expectations for this season, before the new owners came in I was happy just to have a club, and thought with the current squad we would be lucky not to get relegated again.

 

This season is consolidation, bringing in new playing staff and getting rid of dead wood - it takes time to build a team - look at chelsea's first season or two under Abramovic or whats happening at Man City now. Need to give Pardew this season to build his team then at least half of next season before making any decisions

[egreog]

I hope the club is thinking long term with AP and not the knee jerk reaction of the posters on here that crave instant success....therefore NO

[simondo]

Yes I would be surprised.

 

The plan is a 5 year plan.

 

Get a grip

 

absolutely!!!!

[saintwarwick]

The same ******* whingers coming out with the same krap! Get behind our team or fook off. It's a 5 year plan - not 5 months.

 

This post sums it up for me, well said union. Haven't read many posts on this thread because I couldn't believe we were talking about crap like this, still great for the negative posters to crawl out of the woodwook.

[saintwarwick]

It is normal on these threads to provide an opinion, even to a yes/no question.

 

Have you noticed the occasional polls that sometimes call for a yes/no answer?

 

People vote, and then we discuss why people voted the way they did.

 

Here is Wikipedia's guide to internet forums, have a read and learn something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum

 

Opinions are great but I'm sure everybody was happy in the summer for the 5 year plan to kick in, not a 5 minute plan.

[Block 5]

Opinions are great but I'm sure everybody was happy in the summer for the 5 year plan to kick in, not a 5 minute plan.

 

:confused:

[GAS]

The season is over. If AP went tomorrow it gives a new guy time to prepare for next season.

 

AP has not delivered.

Yeh, get somebody else in and give him 6 months to create a new team that's going to walk the league. What a daft thread and response this is.

[BadgerBadger]

Yes I would be surprised.

 

The plan is a 5 year plan.

 

Get a grip

 

+1 and a bit

[scotty]

Whoops, title should say 'thread' rather than 'three'...bloody iPhone

 

would anyone be surprised if steve jobs got sacked before the end of the summer? no reading between the lines....

[BallBoy]

This thread is a bit silly but I will reply.

 

1) We got off to a slow start because AP did not have time to build anything before the season started. We can thank the Pinnacle debacle for that.

 

2) We had a 10 point deduction. If not for that then we would still be 5 points off the play off places but our promotion hopes and our league season would still be very much alive.

 

3) We are likely to be in the Wembley final of the JPT trophy.

 

4) We are in the 5th round of the FA Cup (after starting in the 1st round).

 

5) Pardew IS BUILDING a strong side. His signings have been astute and the team looks solid.

 

Even a "ruthless" director will look at that and say we are on course.

[TopGun]

This thread is a bit silly but I will reply.

 

1) We got off to a slow start because AP did not have time to build anything before the season started. We can thank the Pinnacle debacle for that.

 

2) We had a 10 point deduction. If not for that then we would still be 5 points off the play off places but our promotion hopes and our league season would still be very much alive.

 

3) We are likely to be in the Wembley final of the JPT trophy.

 

4) We are in the 5th round of the FA Cup (after starting in the 1st round).

 

5) Pardew IS BUILDING a strong side. His signings have been astute and the team looks solid.

 

Even a "ruthless" director will look at that and say we are on course.

 

I can buy players and make them play. It's not difficult.

 

Pardew has to do far more than he is showing.

[scotty]

Like it or not - we are in the THIRD tier of English football - and we have Alan Pardew as our boss. I'm thanking my lucky stars for that! He took over a club that was down on its knees & is/was being asked to perform an (almost) impossible task of dragging the club from the very depths of despair to a position of good standing amongst the footballing world. And lets not forget the much-mentioned 10-point handicap that welcomed him to the club!

 

He is being asked - in a very short space of time - to get the club back to where it rightfully belongs. He has been given terrific backing from the owner/boardroom...and is doing a bloody decent job in my eyes. New players take time to gel. He's switching things around to find his best team and allowing for the hectic schedule - I don't blame him. We've lost our spark lately granted - but show me a club that doesn't have a blip during the season.

 

What we don't need in the summer (let alone now) is yet ANOTHER bloody manager! Pards will get it right - if not this season then next. Whatever anyone else thinks - we're lucky to have him. Very lucky. And he's getting us there.

 

If we all have a fantastic day out at Wembley later this month...and we all celebrate a win over our arch rivals next saturday - suddenly Pards will be the best gaffer since sliced bread with many of the moaners & doubters! But please - not talk of yet ANOTHER manager pleeeeease...

 

same as. Considering where we were, even with the money made available to him I'm still amazed at the players Pards has managed to attract here. We drew an away game today with Puncheon, Fonte et al starting, it takes time for these players to gel together. AP is obviously building for a big push next season, this is no time for whingeing imo

[SFC Forever]

I will stick by what I have said from day one,pardew will not be here next season......it is probably wrong but I still believe there is a very good chance it will be right.

 

Pardew has done a lot better than I expected if I'm honest and he has made some cracking signings but I fear he will be a victim of over expectation because of that.

the results have been average tbh and this week could make or break our season,lose to mk dons and Pompey and the season is virtually over as I can't see us getting enough points to make the play offs,come next Monday we could be making plans for next season and there is a good possibility this may not include pardew.

 

I am often worried by the double standards shown on this board.Some of us get pilloried because we don't think AP has done as well as at first we thought. He has had plenty of opportunity to solve two of our weakest areas but failed in my eyes. RB is no better than at the start of the season. Midfield is still causing us a problem. But by saying so we are not received with glad tidings but bitter comments.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

AP's situation is a funny one. We're undefeated in 2010 but, like Mark Hughes, he has an expectant fan base & rich backers (who have spent decent money) to contend with and too many draws may not be considered good enough.

 

I suspect a trip to Wembley will buy him time, whether we make the playoffs or not, but an effective pre-season (including ridding us of those who are draining the wage bill with no hope of making the team) and a good start to next season could be critical to AP keeping his job.

[Rod Le Shearer]

lets be honest...with the players at his disposal and the money he has been given to strengthen...the form of late is not good enough..

 

I hoep he turns it around..

 

the worst thing for me,is that even though we are supposed to have been bolstering the first 11 in january..we now seem poorer than before !

 

I dont think either Seaborne,Otsemobor or Barnard are any better than what we had,quite the opposite.

 

It seems like Pardew has given himself a headache with all the options he`s now got- he cant find the right combination anymore. thats a big worry !

 

stil,if we manage to win the JPT,Progress another round in the FA,and finish mid-table..that would be enough for me to want Pardew to continue next season..and that is the least I expect Mr Cortese will want,too.

[CB Fry]

Yeh, get somebody else in and give him 6 months to create a new team that's going to walk the league. What a daft thread and response this is.

 

 

Paul Lambert seemed to manage it with Norwich. Just without the "six months to create a new team" bit. He had, let's see, no months.

[alpine_saint]

Paul Lambert seemed to manage it with Norwich. Just without the "six months to create a new team" bit. He had, let's see, no months.

 

I do wonder why Saints fans have to give their managers false starts but other teams get immediate results.

[Legod Third Coming]

Paul Lambert seemed to manage it with Norwich. Just without the "six months to create a new team" bit. He had, let's see, no months.

 

Noone disputes Lambert is doing a good job.

 

But the number of teams where this works is limited in the extreme - especially over the medium-long term.

 

Some managers can have an instant impact which wanes, others need longer and build something sustainable. Some have an instant impact which lasts - but feck me I couldn't name more than Mourinho and he was backed with oodles of cash. Maybe Wenger - I think he won the title in his second season.

 

Grayson is now in his first full season, but last season Leeds went backwards under him.

 

So why can't Pardew be a Grayson? Or a Billy Davies? His first half season with Forest was shocking - they were calling for his head. Bet they're not now.

[Legod Third Coming]

AP's situation is a funny one. We're undefeated in 2010 but, like Mark Hughes, he has an expectant fan base & rich backers (who have spent decent money) to contend with and too many draws may not be considered good enough.

 

I suspect a trip to Wembley will buy him time, whether we make the playoffs or not, but an effective pre-season (including ridding us of those who are draining the wage bill with no hope of making the team) and a good start to next season could be critical to AP keeping his job.

 

Funny how Mancini has already lost more than Mark Hughes lost in the entire season before being fired...

[AndyNorthernSaints]

I do wonder why Saints fans have to give their managers false starts but other teams get immediate results.

 

This comes from someone who gives a manager 2 games into a season before calling for his head?

The Saints Fookwit Forum award goes to Alpwhine Saint !!!!!!!!

[CB Fry]

Noone disputes Lambert is doing a good job.

 

But the number of teams where this works is limited in the extreme - especially over the medium-long term.

 

Some managers can have an instant impact which wanes, others need longer and build something sustainable. Some have an instant impact which lasts - but feck me I couldn't name more than Mourinho and he was backed with oodles of cash. Maybe Wenger - I think he won the title in his second season.

 

Grayson is now in his first full season, but last season Leeds went backwards under him.

 

So why can't Pardew be a Grayson? Or a Billy Davies? His first half season with Forest was shocking - they were calling for his head. Bet they're not now.

 

 

Grayson and Davies were managing McCallister's and Calderwoods remnants. Their first full seasons are going spectacularly well, though.

 

Not sure you could say that Pardew is lumbered with someone elses team. He must have used 20 odd players this season that have never played for Saints under any other manager.

 

PS - David Moyes had an instant impact that lasted. As did Phil Brown. Darren Ferguson. Martin Jol. Redknapp at Pompey. There's a few.

[SFC Forever]

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Originally Posted by CB Fry

Paul Lambert seemed to manage it with Norwich. Just without the "six months to create a new team" bit. He had, let's see, no months.

 

Noone disputes Lambert is doing a good job.

 

But the number of teams where this works is limited in the extreme - especially over the medium-long term.

 

Some managers can have an instant impact which wanes, others need longer and build something sustainable. Some have an instant impact which lasts - but feck me I couldn't name more than Mourinho and he was backed with oodles of cash. Maybe Wenger - I think he won the title in his second season.

 

Grayson is now in his first full season, but last season Leeds went backwards under him.

 

So why can't Pardew be a Grayson? Or a Billy Davies? His first half season with Forest was shocking - they were calling for his head. Bet they're not now.

 

I agree with CB Fry on this.

And there was a few calling for him before we got pards.

 

The one thing which would help us fans would be to see the team giving everything. There are a lot of times when we have left after a disappointing performance bemoaning the fact that there seemed to be no heart. No fire. Give us that and we will all be a bit happier.

[Legod Third Coming]

Grayson and Davies were managing McCallister's and Calderwoods remnants. Their first full seasons are going spectacularly well, though.

 

Not sure you could say that Pardew is lumbered with someone elses team. He must have used 20 odd players this season that have never played for Saints under any other manager.

 

PS - David Moyes had an instant impact that lasted. As did Phil Brown. Darren Ferguson. Martin Jol. Redknapp at Pompey. There's a few.

 

All the managers you've mentioned also had shocking spells. Look at Everton for the first ten games this year!!!

 

Phil Brown? How close has he come to losing his job!

 

Redknapp...mmmm...

 

Managed Pompey going bust.

Managed Southampton went bust.

Managed Bournemouth went bust.

Managed West Ham, nearly went bust.

 

He's had a lasting impact alright... although all of the above is purely coincidental for the sake of his lawyers...

 

Why don't we judge Pardew in May?

[SFC Forever]

i would hazard a guess and suggest that the majority of managers who last any length of time build teams that have a very strong spine. Teams of battlers that are sometimes needed to get a result.

[ghq]

As I logged on today, I was praying for a win. Not only for the obvious reason, but so that I didn't have to plough through all the endless dross written by the usual suspects.

It was disapointing not to have won, but surely not the end of the earth. I shudder to think what will be forthcoming if we lose to MK Dons in the week. Please be a little more rational folks, it's still a way to go yet and there aren't too many better available managers around.

[Legod Third Coming]

i would hazard a guess and suggest that the majority of managers who last any length of time build teams that have a very strong spine. Teams of battlers that are sometimes needed to get a result.

 

Davis, Jaidi, Hammond, Lambert - that is a spine. Without two of them it shows, in my view.

[SFC Forever]

Davis, Jaidi, Hammond, Lambert - that is a spine. Without two of them it shows, in my view.

 

I agree and Hammond has been missed. Jaidi is not on Mo's list of crocks and hasn't been for a couple of weeks. I would also add Fonte to the list as I am looking forward to seeing him play with Jaidi.i really think that these two would be good together. Seaborne could be on the bench when Jaidi plays and occassionally when we are cruising he could be sub for him.

 

I have had a possible thought as a solution for which I would probably get blown away for. Would Fonte be capable of playing either as a holding midfielder or a sweeper.

[St Landrew]

Whoops, title should say 'thread' rather than 'three'...bloody iPhone

 

Sorted for you.

 

As for whether I would be surprised if Cortese acts decisively..? No, I wouldn't.

[tedmaul]

A draw against a decent home team. I won't mention Tisdale (though I do in a self congratulationary way) I did champion the guy, amongst much scoffing and "who's he?" but look at what he's achieved with no budget.

[JustMike]

5 years is quite long-term by modern standards.

 

Towards end of year 1 seems an ideal time to take stock and make necessary adjustments.

 

for me the time to take stock will be xmas time (ish). that way he would have had a complete pre season and a good run of games with a settled squad, oh and no excuses like -10 etc etc

[ponto1963]

Like it or not - we are in the THIRD tier of English football - and we have Alan Pardew as our boss. I'm thanking my lucky stars for that! He took over a club that was down on its knees & is/was being asked to perform an (almost) impossible task of dragging the club from the very depths of despair to a position of good standing amongst the footballing world. And lets not forget the much-mentioned 10-point handicap that welcomed him to the club!

 

He is being asked - in a very short space of time - to get the club back to where it rightfully belongs. He has been given terrific backing from the owner/boardroom...and is doing a bloody decent job in my eyes. New players take time to gel. He's switching things around to find his best team and allowing for the hectic schedule - I don't blame him. We've lost our spark lately granted - but show me a club that doesn't have a blip during the season.

 

What we don't need in the summer (let alone now) is yet ANOTHER bloody manager! Pards will get it right - if not this season then next. Whatever anyone else thinks - we're lucky to have him. Very lucky. And he's getting us there.

 

If we all have a fantastic day out at Wembley later this month...and we all celebrate a win over our arch rivals next saturday - suddenly Pards will be the best gaffer since sliced bread with many of the moaners & doubters! But please - not talk of yet ANOTHER manager pleeeeease...

 

 

Agreed

 

-10 at start & no preseason, for Pards, is why it would be incredible if we get anywhere near the playoffs. Though it's still possible ;-)

[revolution saint]

As the point of this thread is about whether we'd be surprised well, no, I wouldn't be surprised. Reading the Guardian article today it does imply that a lot of pressure is being put on Pardew for both results and good football. I don't think we'll get any change before the end of the season but maybe in the summer.

 

As Cortese and Liebherr seem to want decent football I wouldn't expect someone like Davies or Boothroyd but there is someone out there who was rumoured to be the first choice candidate before Pardew that has a reputation for getting promotion and playing good football; Steve Coppell. He even knows Wally Downes.

 

Do I think this is a good idea? I don't know. Personally I'd probably give Pardew a decent chance for next season but NC and ML may not feel we have the luxury of time.

[trousers]

As the point of this thread is about whether we'd be surprised well, no, I wouldn't be surprised.

 

cheers for the reply and congratulations for bring amongst a handful of people to actually answer the question rather than bleat on about how rubbish the thread is. Bloody negative posters on here...sigh.... ;-)

[Windmill Arm 2]

No.

 

You'd be fecking delighted you sack !

[saints-cris]

For me, I've accepted we are not going up this season, it's not going to happen. 15 poins adrift of 6th is way too much to ask. To be honest, I'm ok wiht hat, it was always very, very unlikely wih the team we had at the start, -10 points and the awful start we got off to. There was a glimmer of hope when we went on a real good run a couple of months ago.

 

Right now, we've made some new signings, good ones at that. I don't care about going up this season, we could get some glory out of our season to make it worth remembering. We can still go to Wembley, put together an F.A Cup run and in my opinion I hope we can finish the season strongly, get 8th or 9th spot and have some real hope for next year as tha is when the pressure will be on Pardew. Next year isn't even about playoffs, it is about automaic promotion, but by then we will have a team that will have had around a season to gel with each other and possibly some more signings.

[alpine_saint]

for me the time to take stock will be xmas time (ish). that way he would have had a complete pre season and a good run of games with a settled squad, oh and no excuses like -10 etc etc

 

I agree, but ultimately its down to what NC thinks, not what we think. However, I think Xmas would be the last point where something might happen.

[alpine_saint]

This comes from someone who gives a manager 2 games into a season before calling for his head?

The Saints Fookwit Forum award goes to Alpwhine Saint !!!!!!!!

 

2 games ? Bit of an exaggeration dont you think ?

 

Tell you what, engage in conversation like a sensible adult and not like a hysterical fish wife, and I will take you seriously.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

2 games ? Bit of an exaggeration dont you think ?

 

Tell you what, engage in conversation like a sensible adult and not like a hysterical fish wife, and I will take you seriously.

 

Ok some people remember you wanting the manager out after two games following the the playoff semi final season. Nobody takes you seriously due to your constant moaning, whinging, crying, negativity, slagging off of players...... you seem to actually enjoy it when Saints don't win.

 

GBTTFFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!