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Secret Site Agent

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This season should have been fun.

 

Spent millions but seriously under-performed.

 

11 wins in 28 is not good enough for a L1 side with so much quality.

 

11 wins in 28 may not be good enough for a league 1 TEAM, but it's not bad for a bunch of indivduals and strangers who haven't played together before.

 

I would like to harp back to the simple staement:

 

TARGET: In August Pardew is told we must survive in League 1

PRESENT OUTCOME: We are surviving in league 1

CONCLUSION: Lets sack him because we haven't won the League title

 

Yeh, lets sack him because he hasn't achieved a target that was never set for him, or anyone, because in theory you can put together a bunch of strangers with superior skills and they will beat a team who have played together for a while. After all, going through 20 managers a season is something we haven't tried before, and it works for teams like Man U and Arsenal who are constantly sacking their managers.

 

Oh, the irony.

Secret Site Agent

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The playoffs are gone now, and we aren't going to be relegated. But this next few months are crucial for AP and the team.

 

For the first time in a while, i'm going to be more concerned about performances than results. I want to see us dominating games, particularly in the middle of the park where i think we have looked gutless and weak. I want to see us showing signs of being able to keep a few clean sheets (5 out of 28 in the league so far tells it's own story). I want to see us providing Lambert with some proper chances rather than having to create them himself. I want to see AP finding a formation that allows us to get the best out of our creative players (Lallana in particular).

 

If at the end of this season AP hasn't done that then i think it's fair to start asking some serious questions of whether he's the right man for the job next year. We've spent a lot of money for this league, and AP needs to get this team showing some signs that it has the potential to challenge for the league next year. So far it hasn't even come close.

 

We all have opinions on the best team, formations etc, but AP is the man paid to get it right. Time for him to show that he's capable of it

 

 

This is all I want!

 

Go post Verbal

 

This is the first time I have agreed with you Glasgow, but I still stand by the fact that we are not a team yet, in the months time, or two or three, then maybe, but at the moment we will have to take what we can get with little tweaks here and there until we finally find a winning formation. Then we will get frustrated because other teams will stop us playing our game, and we will have to change and develop again.

Glasgow_Saint

Glasgow_Saint

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TARGET: In August Pardew is told we must survive in League 1

PRESENT OUTCOME: We are surviving in league 1

CONCLUSION: Lets sack him because we haven't won the League title

 

 

Unfortunately for Pardew (& you), he/you doesn’t pick/decide the targets, he just gets to pick the team.

 

NC & ML decide what the targets are and I would bet good money that survival was never mentioned as being a success.

 

Start of the season AP was quoted (By a player) as saying he wanted top 2, NC likewise said top 2 was his target.

 

Since these two statements of intent we have signed 15 players and spent millions……..

 

If you’re NC are you pleased with progress?

trousers

trousers

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I've totted up the numbers and can reveal that the moaners moaning about the moaners outnumber the moaners by a factor of 7 to 1.

 

Put that in your pipe Alanis Morrisette.

Glasgow_Saint

Glasgow_Saint

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I've totted up the numbers and can reveal that the moaners moaning about the moaners outnumber the moaners by a factor of 7 to 1.

 

Put that in your pipe Alanis Morrisette.

 

Isn’t it ironic?

Window Cleaner

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Considerably more than us then.. Oh dear doom and gloom descends.....

 

;)

 

I'm not quite sure that Nick's stats are quite accurate for the last 19 league games, perhaps we've only won 10 and drawn 1 more.

Anyway,that aside' it seems to me that some of our better results have been obtained with James at right back,perhaps he gives us a little something extra from there,as he has a natural penchant for getting forward.Not at all sure he brings much contribution to midfield at all.On the other hand keeping Mills at LB on Saturday wasn't really productive as he was given James role on corners etc.Not sure that AP likes his CM players taking set pieces.

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NickG

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Unfortunately for Pardew (& you), he/you doesn’t pick/decide the targets, he just gets to pick the team.

 

NC & ML decide what the targets are and I would bet good money that survival was never mentioned as being a success.

 

Start of the season AP was quoted (By a player) as saying he wanted top 2, NC likewise said top 2 was his target.

 

Since these two statements of intent we have signed 15 players and spent millions……..

 

If you’re NC are you pleased with progress?

 

you still seem surprised that a manager wants to finish in top two! Would be worth commenting on if he had said he didn't fancy it!

hutch

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I'm now in the "We're not going to make the play-offs this season" club. I think it was the draw at Brentford that sealed it for me, but still hoped for a bit of a miracle, before Saturday.

 

Time to focus on winning a trophy at Wembley and adding to the Skates embarrasment.

 

This squad certainly has the talent to win this league. Time to use the rest of this season to harness that talent, and enjoy playing football and winning. We'll get automatic promotion next season.

 

And I'm still very happy with what we've achieved, and the progress we've made this season.

Saint Without a Halo

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I'm now in the "We're not going to make the play-offs this season" club. I think it was the draw at Brentford that sealed it for me, but still hoped for a bit of a miracle, before Saturday.

 

Time to focus on winning a trophy at Wembley and adding to the Skates embarrasment.

 

This squad certainly has the talent to win this league. Time to use the rest of this season to harness that talent, and enjoy playing football and winning. We'll get automatic promotion next season.

 

And I'm still very happy with what we've achieved, and the progress we've made this season.

 

As a fan agreed but as an owner and investor that has sunk millions into the club in order to get to the play offs in the hope of some return on the investment via the bigger gates and TV that would generate would you still be happy?

hutch

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Yep. Investment in transfer fees isn't "sunk". I would see that as an investment, which, with the 4 we bought cheap in the window, I would expect to get my money back, and a bit more, in a couple of years if sold on.

 

And in the meantime they're still with us to "walk this league" next season.

 

As long as the income pays the wages, it's not harming the total investment in the club if we don't go up this year, but the investor would just have to be a bit more patient if he wanted to make a killing by selling the club (not suggesting in any way that that is the agenda, just looking at it from an investment perspective). I'm sure the wage bill will come down during the summer.

Glasgow_Saint

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you still seem surprised that a manager wants to finish in top two! Would be worth commenting on if he had said he didn't fancy it!

 

Made that comment in response to your silly posts about AP and NC only wanting survival!

 

How did NC comments taste today? Have you woken up to reality yet?

Bakovnetski

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I'm now in the "We're not going to make the play-offs this season" club. I think it was the draw at Brentford that sealed it for me, but still hoped for a bit of a miracle, before Saturday.

 

Time to focus on winning a trophy at Wembley and adding to the Skates embarrasment.

 

This squad certainly has the talent to win this league. Time to use the rest of this season to harness that talent, and enjoy playing football and winning. We'll get automatic promotion next season.

 

And I'm still very happy with what we've achieved, and the progress we've made this season.

 

I couldn't agree with you more. Just think where we were 6 months ago....facing extinction. We have come a long way in that we feel like we will win every game and that we have actualy been able to go out and buy the best available players for this league (who want to play for us) and not limp along with kids and journeymen who just want a last paycheck.

 

Football is all about ups and downs and accepting that nothing is certain in terms of results. The fact is that we get just as many disappointments than as in the past but at least they are draws and not being stuffed 4-0 away!

 

At the start of the season no-one thought we could go up and it has possibly proven to be a correct assumption. A brief flirtation with the play-offs before Xmas when the team was settled but we were up against teams we could beat. Now we have an unsettled team (albeit with new/better players) for the next few games so we could question the wisdom about so many changes at once. This is not rocket science, but the longer term investment might give us the returns this season if we are extremely lucky but for sure next season. Which is where most of us started out at the start of the season.

derry

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Unfortunately for Pardew (& you), he/you doesn’t pick/decide the targets, he just gets to pick the team.

 

NC & ML decide what the targets are and I would bet good money that survival was never mentioned as being a success.

 

Start of the season AP was quoted (By a player) as saying he wanted top 2, NC likewise said top 2 was his target.

 

Since these two statements of intent we have signed 15 players and spent millions……..

 

If you’re NC are you pleased with progress?

 

NC has given his response to the BBC and he isn't.

NickG

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Made that comment in response to your silly posts about AP and NC only wanting survival!

 

How did NC comments taste today? Have you woken up to reality yet?

 

you live in fantasy world.

 

I have never said they only want survival.

 

 

You lie so often in posts, you lose yourself - making up quotes for Pardew, me and anyone else.

 

Pardew spoke about incremental targets - not sure if you are of very low intelligence or trolling?

Thedelldays

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you live in fantasy world.

 

I have never said they only want survival.

 

 

You lie so often in posts, you lose yourself - making up quotes for Pardew, me and anyone else.

 

Pardew spoke about incremental targets - not sure if you are of very low intelligence or trolling?

nick....you banged on about how great we are doing and that people like glasgow are unlreastic to want more..

 

seems his line of thought is bang on with NCs...that was his point

NickG

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we were doing well when I said it!

 

still not doing bad.

 

His post, like many of his, is totally made up to provoke argument.

 

I have never said anyone was unrealistic to want more, I have thought play off were achievable until very recently, my start of season prediction was 9th. He talks carp.

NickG

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Reason: 11 wins in 28

 

Where is this winning mentality AP chats so much about?

 

 

Poor season!

 

:mad:

 

I can confirm that I will attend!

 

Its still a joke cup.

 

AP will love it, as its masked a very poor season

 

Cortesse

When asked by reporter for his thoughts on week ahead

 

He said - that whilst a trip to wembley and progress in fa cup are nice things to have the reason for serious investment in the team is about getting into the league one play offs its our top priority, the latest league results have not been satisfactory against that objective and he looks forward to the team getting back to winning says against Norwich on Saturday

 

 

They don't seem to be saying same thing to me.

 

One is slating the club and thinks Pardew is crap, the other acknowledging we need to win more in league

Glasgow_Saint

Glasgow_Saint

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Cortesse

When asked by reporter for his thoughts on week ahead

 

He said - that whilst a trip to wembley and progress in fa cup are nice things to have the reason for serious investment in the team is about getting into the league one play offs its our top priority, the latest league results have not been satisfactory against that objective and he looks forward to the team getting back to winning says against Norwich on Saturday

 

 

They don't seem to be saying same thing to me.

 

One is slating the club and thinks Pardew is crap, the other acknowledging we need to win more in league

 

NC isnt going to call the JPT a joke, but read between the lines and thats exactly what he's calling it. He refered to it as being "nice"

 

If we get to the Playoff that would be "brilliant" if we dont it will be "unacceptable"

 

NC and me are almost the same person (one mind perhaps?) how kind of him to bring out this statement so quickly after I was insulted for thinking the same.

 

Is NC a WUM, or a troll, or idiot for thinking the same as me (& delldays and Alpine and derry ect)

madruss

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Why's everyone talking like the league season is over already?

 

If this crap had been spouted in December during our winning run getting to within 7 points of the playoffs, it wouldn't have had any merit whatsoever. Yet after a bad run of form (yes we can all agree it's been that), suddenly the season's over and the next 18 games count for nothing?

 

There's a fair few teams that have gone on bad runs recently, Leeds included. Unfortunately our bad run means our league position isn't great, due equally to the -10 and a poor start to the season.

 

But surely if we can judge 5 bad consecutive games so conclusively, we can't also dismiss the forthcoming 18 games as irrelevant. Can anyone honestly say we won't go on another winning run, playing against the teams we beat on our last winning run?

 

Yes the performances aren't great at the minute, but teams go out of form sometimes...it doesn't make them bad teams overnight. We're a long way off the playoffs but there's a lot of games in quick succession in February and early March and 5 or 6 wins on the spin could change the complexion of the table completely.

 

Yes the players and manager will have to get their act together, but it's not the impossibility some of the doom-mongerers are making it out to be. Anyone saying it's been a "poor season" with over a third of the season still left to play is either a gifted psychic or a morose quitter.

NickG

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NC isnt going to call the JPT a joke, but read between the lines and thats exactly what he's calling it. He refered to it as being "nice"

 

If we get to the Playoff that would be "brilliant" if we dont it will be "unacceptable"

 

NC and me are almost the same person (one mind perhaps?) how kind of him to bring out this statement so quickly after I was insulted for thinking the same.

 

Is NC a WUM, or a troll, or idiot for thinking the same as me (& delldays and Alpine and derry ect)

 

if he criticised players and managers continually on every thread then he would be a troll.

 

We should have (still being) aiming for play offs but at the end of september with the handicap we were going into the rest of the season it is too strong to say unacceptable

mafiboy27

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Play offs haven't looked likely for some time.

 

However this is a good season. We are 90 minutes from Wembley and in the 5th round of the cup.

 

Our league position is secure.

 

I would have taken that in July!!!!

 

+1 No Pre-season for Ap either so not disappointed with not reaching the POs, for me. As you say could be Wembley anyway :)

Saint-Fred

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On what information is this very (over-)confident statement made ? To a lot of us, our performances are going backwards.

 

"If a lot of those draws turn to wins, which I don't believe is far away"

 

The clues are there for you IF and I BELIEVE show it is my opinion.

 

I am sure AP and the team are more than aware of our short comings and are working hard to ensure it happens. I am also sure that AP is glad you post on here because he won't have spotted any of the issues you raise and is blindly thinking that we are top of the league winning every game!

 

By the way a mark of a good team is getting a result (eg not being beaten) when they are not on form or playing badly..I am still confident when we get our form back those draws will turn to wins! (That's my answer to your question really!)

ottery st mary

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Pards is going to invite a few of the posters on here to Staplewood and St Marys for a think tank.....Some of those posters will need a manual on football and directions to St Marys..let alone Staplewood......Some pictures of Saints footballers might also be required.....Other than that some good ideas..

 

I still think Pards knows best.....

Secret Site Agent

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Unfortunately for Pardew (& you), he/you doesn’t pick/decide the targets, he just gets to pick the team.

 

NC & ML decide what the targets are and I would bet good money that survival was never mentioned as being a success.

 

Start of the season AP was quoted (By a player) as saying he wanted top 2, NC likewise said top 2 was his target.

 

Since these two statements of intent we have signed 15 players and spent millions……..

 

If you’re NC are you pleased with progress?

 

I have got to ask friend, Source?

 

Please someone point out I am wrong, with sufficiently acceptable independant evidence of WHERE they said we must achieve the top 2. I don't recall.

 

And read the post again. Pardew is told the target is survival, I quote the interview given to the Radio Solent September 26th 2009.

Glasgow_Saint

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I have got to ask friend, Source?

 

Please someone point out I am wrong, with sufficiently acceptable independant evidence of WHERE they said we must achieve the top 2. I don't recall.

 

And read the post again. Pardew is told the target is survival, I quote the interview given to the Radio Solent September 26th 2009.

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4993892.Cortese_puts_Pardew_under_pressure/

Glasgow_Saint

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So where in that article does it say TOP TWO ?

 

As mentioned, it doesn't indicate top two

 

And as we know, the Echo has an agenda.

 

Not convinced I'm afraid. Can you quote something previous, where this was mentioned?

 

The play off thing seems to have come a bit out of the blue.

 

Guys try and keep up

Stu Man Do

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Lambert started at Norwich with -8 and with a fractured, depleted and demoralised squad! They are now going up.

 

Thats what good managers do!

 

-8 GOAL DIFFERENCE and -10 points are two vastly different situations.

 

Realistically the playoffs this season whilst rebuilding the entire first team and in fact the club itself where never really on the cards. Some good form got us close at one point but based on our recent history this is still an extremely good season.

ALWAYS_SFC

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As mentioned, it doesn't indicate top two

 

And as we know, the Echo has an agenda.

Not convinced I'm afraid. Can you quote something previous, where this was mentioned?

 

The play off thing seems to have come a bit out of the blue.

 

So does glasgow_saint

tonibell

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Pards is going to invite a few of the posters on here to Staplewood and St Marys for a think tank.....Some of those posters will need a manual on football and directions to St Marys..let alone Staplewood......Some pictures of Saints footballers might also be required.....Other than that some good ideas..

 

I still think Pards knows best.....

 

well said 10 out of 10

madruss

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WWWWWW v WLLDDD

 

Norwich home form Vs Saints away form!

 

Well your conclusive prophecies are going to look pretty stupid if we win then aren't they?!

NickG

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Reason: 11 wins in 28

 

Where is this winning mentality AP chats so much about?

 

 

Poor season!

 

:mad:

 

huge progression and enjoyable season.

madruss

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why? :confused:

 

Because you've written off the season solely on the basis of recent form. If we beat Norwich, it'll prove that recent form doesn't always guarantee future results, and therefore cannot be used to write off the outcome of 18 forthcoming games of football.

The9

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Because you've written off the season solely on the basis of recent form. If we beat Norwich, it'll prove that recent form doesn't always guarantee future results, and therefore cannot be used to write off the outcome of 18 forthcoming games of football.

 

Why does no-one ever use the massive wealth of available statistics to prove or disprove this kind of thing ? Is it because over the course of a season the teams (artificial deductions excluded) will finish in exactly the order they should be in over the number of games they play ?

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