Playoffs? Negative!

[derry]

If the team was actually playing entertaining football it would be easier to look at possibly replacing various players with better ones. In the current pragmatic emphasise on clearances; heading the ball forward at every opportunity; and aiming for Ricky's head, it is very difficult to see what better players would achieve, because this is not the result of a poor playing staff, they have already proved that they can do better.

 

There is nothing wrong with working hard, but it must be for a purpose. At the moment the purpose is lost, and so is the entertainment. No amount of time given to a manager without purpose to his actions will not be of much use.

 

Pretty much says it all.

[Saint-Fred]

Yep, they got to be running an $8bn business by turning the other cheek all the time, didnt they ?

 

Yes and we got in the mess in the first place by changing managers every 6 months..Even Sir Alex needed time to get a team together and it is well documented how close he came to the sack.

 

Anyone with half an ounce of sense can see we are a better team now than even 6 months ago..it isn't perfect but 2 defeats in 26 games would be a record any team would want.

 

If a lot of those draws turn to wins, which I don't believe is far away, I hope those calling for another managerial change either hang their heads in shame or just hang!

 

Funny lot some Saints supporters even when things are getting better they find an excuse to be suicidal or anti Saints! (Not aimed at the poster above or anyone in particular) but everytime we draw a game there seems to be an inquest..god help AP if he gets us to the PL and we don't beat Man U,Chelski and Arsenal away at the first attempt!

[NickG]

Pardew says. "They [the board] want it quick. They're putting a lot of pressure on me and I'm putting it on the players in the best way I can, without making them taut and tight. I'm the one who is taut and tight!

 

Quote 2: Alan Pardew's own future beyond the summer still shrouded in doubt.

 

5 year plan or not - NC and ML want results fast and rightly so.

 

who said quote 2?

[alpine_saint]

Yes and we got in the mess in the first place by changing managers every 6 months..Even Sir Alex needed time to get a team together and it is well documented how close he came to the sack.

 

Anyone with half an ounce of sense can see we are a better team now than even 6 months ago..it isn't perfect but 2 defeats in 26 games would be a record any team would want.

 

If a lot of those draws turn to wins, which I don't believe is far away, I hope those calling for another managerial change either hang their heads in shame or just hang!

 

Funny lot some Saints supporters even when things are getting better they find an excuse to be suicidal or anti Saints! (Not aimed at the poster above or anyone in particular) but everytime we draw a game there seems to be an inquest..god help AP if he gets us to the PL and we don't beat Man U,Chelski and Arsenal away at the first attempt!

 

On what information is this very (over-)confident statement made ? To a lot of us, our performances are going backwards.

[Alain Perrin]

On what information is this very (over-)confident statement made ? To a lot of us ,who at best follow the games on Solent, our performances are going backwards.

 

...

[sadoldgit]

Play offs haven't looked likely for some time.

 

However this is a good season. We are 90 minutes from Wembley and in the 5th round of the cup.

 

Our league position is secure.

 

I would have taken that in July!!!!

 

Me too mate.

[NickG]

doubt if there is saints supporter who wouldn't have

[sadoldgit]

Pardew says. "They [the board] want it quick. They're putting a lot of pressure on me and I'm putting it on the players in the best way I can, without making them taut and tight. I'm the one who is taut and tight!

 

Quote 2: Alan Pardew's own future beyond the summer still shrouded in doubt.

 

5 year plan or not - NC and ML want results fast and rightly so.

 

We don't seem to losing matches like we sued to so that I would say was a result. Yep, we have drawn too many matches and that needs to change but I think some people need to be patient. It took the great Lawrie Mac three seasons to get us out of the 2nd Divsion with much better players.

[ericb]

i'm always deeply confused by people that want the manager sacked straight away. Don't they realise that it takes a few seasons (not games) for a manager to get his team in place.

 

In fact i'd argue that the reason we're where we are is as much as anything to do with having to many managers. What we need now is to give pardew a chance, get off his back and see what he can do with his team.

 

It always used to be the way that managers would get two or three seasons, now they seemingly get two or three months.

 

But of course it's a healthy culture that wants everything now, not laying the foundations and putting the work that's needed.

 

And of course we see how successful that strategy is through clubs like pompey and leeds.

 

Lets give pardew time, the same with the new players we've signed, rather than jumping down their throats because we're not manchester united already.

[Glasgow_Saint]

i'm always deeply confused by people that want the manager sacked straight away. Don't they realise that it takes a few seasons (not games) for a manager to get his team in place.

 

In fact i'd argue that the reason we're where we are is as much as anything to do with having to many managers. What we need now is to give pardew a chance, get off his back and see what he can do with his team.

 

It always used to be the way that managers would get two or three seasons, now they seemingly get two or three months.

 

But of course it's a healthy culture that wants everything now, not laying the foundations and putting the work that's needed.

 

And of course we see how successful that strategy is through clubs like pompey and leeds.

 

Lets give pardew time, the same with the new players we've signed, rather than jumping down their throats because we're not manchester united already.

 

Chelsea change managers every year (it seems) they do alright.

 

Arguements for both sides - dont stick just for the sake of sticking in my moto.

 

I do not want AP sacked - just want results to improve and promotion next season is a must.

[ericb]

i'm fairly sure promotion next season is a must no matter how much you troll on the internet. Just out of interest why don't you leave it now you've said your piece? I'm not going to lie i'm sick to death of the infighting at our club and now it's changing lets just enjoy it.

 

So what if we're having one more season in league one, **** happens, and as you rightly said next season is really the important bit. For this one lets just hope the team start gelling and hope we beat the skates

[Docker Walker6]

Reason: 11 wins in 28

 

Where is this winning mentality AP chats so much about?

 

 

Poor season!

 

:mad:

 

 

Short memory, eh no preseason!!!!!

[alpine_saint]

...

 

Oh, very witty.

 

Unfortunately for you, this site was last night full of people who attended yesterdays game saying the same thing.

[OldNick]

Oh, very witty.

 

Unfortunately for you, this site was last night full of people who attended yesterdays game saying the same thing.

but when people who go to games have a differing view you get all defensive and then say well' merrington said this or the commentator said that'

I accept you make your posts out of frustration as you want us to do well, but it does get pretty irritating after every game or every manager change.

The people who should be critical are the people who put their hard money into the club, they have the right to the opinion.ML is the man who should be respected to make the correct decision ,as ultimately he has put his money where his mouth is. Have an opinion and share it, it makes the site more enjoyable, but how about showing some support and positivity to the club for a change.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

but when people who go to games have a differing view you get all defensive and then say well' merrington said this or the commentator said that'

I accept you make your posts out of frustration as you want us to do well, but it does get pretty irritating after every game or every manager change.

The people who should be critical are the people who put their hard money into the club, they have the right to the opinion.ML is the man who should be respected to make the correct decision ,as ultimately he has put his money where his mouth is. Have an opinion and share it, it makes the site more enjoyable, but how about showing some support and positivity to the club for a change.

 

The sky will fall in before he does that...

 

When things go well he has nothing to say...

[S-Clarke]

[/b]

 

The sky will fall in before he does that...

 

When things go well he has nothing to say...

 

i made that point earlier, but apparently there isn't as much to say when we're doing well....well no there isn't, if it doesn't suit your agenda.

[alpine_saint]

but when people who go to games have a differing view you get all defensive and then say well' merrington said this or the commentator said that'

I accept you make your posts out of frustration as you want us to do well, but it does get pretty irritating after every game or every manager change.

The people who should be critical are the people who put their hard money into the club, they have the right to the opinion.ML is the man who should be respected to make the correct decision ,as ultimately he has put his money where his mouth is. Have an opinion and share it, it makes the site more enjoyable, but how about showing some support and positivity to the club for a change.

 

There is a thread on this site where there are comments about how the poster will be disgusted if NC/ML decide to dispense with APs services. Hardly any respect for the men who are putting so much money into the club it makes the gate revenue look piddling in comparison.

 

And you seem to be reverting to the old mentality that only people who attend games have the right to make the observation that we played sh*te. As I recall telling you before, if we played sh*te, then we played sh*te, and it doesnt matter who says it.

 

And yesterday, especially 2nd half, we were SH*TE.

[alpine_saint]

i made that point earlier, but apparently there isn't as much to say when we're doing well....well no there isn't, if it doesn't suit your agenda.

 

Once again, what is my agenda ?

 

Once again, what can one say that will occupy 200 posts when the team is doing well ? How can substitutions and tactics that work be analysed to death ?

[S-Clarke]

Once again, what is my agenda ?

 

Once again, what can one say that will occupy 200 posts when the team is doing well ? How can substitutions and tactics that work be analysed to death ?

 

tbh alot of people post the same amount if we win, lose or draw - there is as much to talk about in any situation.

 

It seems to me you just come to life when there is something to moan about, i don't think anyone will disagree with me there.

[Saint_clark]

tbh alot of people post the same amount if we win, lose or draw - there is as much to talk about in any situation.

 

It seems to me you just come to life when there is something to moan about, i don't think anyone will disagree with me there.

 

Absolutely.

When we went on that run where we won loads (most of them 3-1s), I can remember seeing Alpine maybe once or twice.

[NickG]

he did appear - to moan about people enjoying the run

[Saint_clark]

he did appear - to moan about people enjoying the run

 

I thought so too, didn't he say something about people keeping their feet grounded and not letting their expectations get too high...?

[NickG]

I think it was something like "we get the picture ffs"

[alpine_saint]

Absolutely.

When we went on that run where we won loads (most of them 3-1s), I can remember seeing Alpine maybe once or twice.

 

Thats your problem, not mine.

[Saint_clark]

I think it was something like "we get the picture ffs"

 

Ah yes, I do remember that now.

How would one of those threads look now?

[Saint_clark]

Thats your problem, not mine.

 

My problem? It was bliss.

[alpine_saint]

My problem? It was bliss.

 

I meant it was your problem that you didnt notice my posts. Dont worry, you were not the only one.

[NickG]

Ah yes, I do remember that now.

How would one of those threads look now?

 

can't be bothered to do new one, so have just updated the most recent.

 

We continue at the 2 points per game level as we have done for months now.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

I meant it was your problem that you didnt notice my posts. Dont worry, you were not the only one.

 

30-01-2010, 07:09 PM

Replies: 232

Saints V Stockport County - Post Match Reaction

Views: 6,749

Posted By alpine_saint

.

 

Pleased we won, but was it REALLY the manner of performance to be expected from most expensive team playing bottom team ?

 

 

 

 

Here is one of your posts....

 

As close to a moan as possible

[alpine_saint]

30-01-2010, 07:09 PM

Replies: 232

Saints V Stockport County - Post Match Reaction

Views: 6,749

Posted By alpine_saint

.

 

Pleased we won, but was it REALLY the manner of performance to be expected from most expensive team playing bottom team ?

 

 

 

 

Here is one of your posts....

 

As close to a moan as possible

 

I stand completely by what I wrote there. Whats wrong with it ? I was glad of 3 points, but our sh*te performances are costing us big-time.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

I stand completely by what I wrote there. Whats wrong with it ? I was glad of 3 points, but our sh*te performances are costing us big-time.

 

But the mentioned so called ****e performance cost us nothing did it.

 

I just had a look through one the ipswich cup thread and could not find

any posts by you sayong you were pleased tht we were winning against

a higher league team,all you did was have a pop at lancashire

[Verbal Kint]

The playoffs are gone now, and we aren't going to be relegated. But this next few months are crucial for AP and the team.

 

For the first time in a while, i'm going to be more concerned about performances than results. I want to see us dominating games, particularly in the middle of the park where i think we have looked gutless and weak. I want to see us showing signs of being able to keep a few clean sheets (5 out of 28 in the league so far tells it's own story). I want to see us providing Lambert with some proper chances rather than having to create them himself. I want to see AP finding a formation that allows us to get the best out of our creative players (Lallana in particular).

 

If at the end of this season AP hasn't done that then i think it's fair to start asking some serious questions of whether he's the right man for the job next year. We've spent a lot of money for this league, and AP needs to get this team showing some signs that it has the potential to challenge for the league next year. So far it hasn't even come close.

 

We all have opinions on the best team, formations etc, but AP is the man paid to get it right. Time for him to show that he's capable of it

[Glasgow_Saint]

The playoffs are gone now, and we aren't going to be relegated. But this next few months are crucial for AP and the team.

 

For the first time in a while, i'm going to be more concerned about performances than results. I want to see us dominating games, particularly in the middle of the park where i think we have looked gutless and weak. I want to see us showing signs of being able to keep a few clean sheets (5 out of 28 in the league so far tells it's own story). I want to see us providing Lambert with some proper chances rather than having to create them himself. I want to see AP finding a formation that allows us to get the best out of our creative players (Lallana in particular).

 

If at the end of this season AP hasn't done that then i think it's fair to start asking some serious questions of whether he's the right man for the job next year. We've spent a lot of money for this league, and AP needs to get this team showing some signs that it has the potential to challenge for the league next year. So far it hasn't even come close.

 

We all have opinions on the best team, formations etc, but AP is the man paid to get it right. Time for him to show that he's capable of it

 

This is all I want!

 

Go post Verbal

[Junction 9]

This season should have been fun.

 

Spent millions but seriously under-performed.

 

11 wins in 28 is not good enough for a L1 side with so much quality.

 

Maybe that's just it.

[InvictaSaint]

To anybody out there who might be wondering, the ignore function is just wonderful :-)

[pilsburydoughboy]

On what information is this very (over-)confident statement made ? To a lot of us, our performances are going backwards.

 

From that statement you make it sound like you go to games

To a lot of us?

You ,TDD and the mad scotsman just moan about everything and not one of you attends matches on a regular basis.

[derry]

The playoffs are gone now, and we aren't going to be relegated. But this next few months are crucial for AP and the team.

 

For the first time in a while, i'm going to be more concerned about performances than results. I want to see us dominating games, particularly in the middle of the park where i think we have looked gutless and weak. I want to see us showing signs of being able to keep a few clean sheets (5 out of 28 in the league so far tells it's own story). I want to see us providing Lambert with some proper chances rather than having to create them himself. I want to see AP finding a formation that allows us to get the best out of our creative players (Lallana in particular).

 

If at the end of this season AP hasn't done that then i think it's fair to start asking some serious questions of whether he's the right man for the job next year. We've spent a lot of money for this league, and AP needs to get this team showing some signs that it has the potential to challenge for the league next year. So far it hasn't even come close.

 

We all have opinions on the best team, formations etc, but AP is the man paid to get it right. Time for him to show that he's capable of it

 

A realistic assessment of where we are.

[alpine_saint]

From that statement you make it sound like you go to games

To a lot of us?

You ,TDD and the mad scotsman just moan about everything and not one of you attends matches on a regular basis.

 

So you have chosen to ignore the people who were at the match yesterday who said similar things, have you ?

 

And I get accused of having an agenda...

[pilsburydoughboy]

So you have chosen to ignore the people who were at the match yesterday who said similar things, have you ?

 

And I get accused of having an agenda...

 

I was simply refering to the most vocal posters on here who never go to a game but can drew conclusions that we are going backwards,failing,under acheiving etc etc etc.

I have no agenda except that i do resent people who just spend their time being negative.

I am grateful we still have a club and am currently loving life as a Saints fan.

Smile you might enjoy it.

[NickG]

some performances recently have been concerning.

 

we are still getting 2 points per game which is decent return

 

if we drop below 2 points per game then I would imagine Pardew would have to answer questions to NC. I would also be disappointed, for what thats worth!

 

if we get over 2 points per game for the rest of season I think that is pretty good

[ottery st mary]

Come on boyzz and girlzz..Get on side and support the Saints.....

 

Big week for our big club..

 

I expect all out support against MKD and Pompey..if Pompey turn up...

 

Even you Pompey posters on here, Rupes boyzz and the WUM..Full Saints support and stop moaning ...

 

(to be fair I did my fair share of moaning about Rupes gang and the Dutch boyzz)

 

All together now ..big effort....two cup wins and then many league wins to follow...

 

 

Non Saints supporters be prepared for Saints success as from now onwards and upwards..

 

 

OWTSGMI

 

COYRs

Edited 7 February, 2010 by ottery st mary
delete c and s as necessary..always blooooody spellin ottery

[Charlie Wayman]

When were the play offs ever on the agenda for this season.

When the new team took over a five year plan was put in place.This is year one which is all about rebuilding a club that was fractured to its foundations by a fool and his cronies.

I am glad that we still have a club to support and enjoy getting to every game that i can.

If we dont win the league or make the plays offs next season then questions have to be asked but not now.

 

Pardew's your man. He's the one who's been shouting it from the rooftops. It's obvious to the rest of use that he's protecting his Rrse!

[Glasgow_Saint]

Nobody has me on there 'ignore list'

 

That is very pleasing to me.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Nobody has me on there 'ignore list'

 

That is very pleasing to me.

 

No one deserves to be ignored not even the sthe "strange" ones...

[camdijk]

11 wins in 28

 

Where is this winning mentality AP chats so much about?

 

 

Poor season!

 

How about 6 defeats in 28. Not to mention only 1 defeat in cups (v premiership team Birmingham in Carling Cup)

 

Not so bad looking at it from that perspective.

;-)

[saint_stevo]

Surely no-one can be happy with our form/current league position

[NickG]

current performances - no.

last 19 league games, Won 11, Drawn 5, Lost 3, points 38.

 

2 per game.

 

Norwich top with 63 points from 30 games.

[alpine_saint]

Surely no-one can be happy with our form/current league position

 

How dare you ! We are donig brilliantly !!!

[Plonko]

For the first time in a while, i'm going to be more concerned about performances than results.

 

I'm not...........

 

Well, at least not to start with. The way I see it is that our league games from now on are the start of our pre-season for the 10/11 season. If that means the odd bad performance because we're trying something different then now is the best time to do that. Finding out what doesn't work is just as important as finding out what does and is all part of the bigger picture.

[Plonko]

current performances - no.

last 19 league games, Won 11, Drawn 5, Lost 3, points 38.

 

2 per game.

 

Norwich top with 63 points from 30 games.

 

Considerably more than us then.. Oh dear doom and gloom descends.....