Pardew needs to start earning his cash

[Block 5]

Just wrote this on another thread, but here goes again....

 

What progress are we making in our playing and tactics, etc. as a TEAM, even accounting for the money we have spent ?

 

Why don't you tell us Alps?

Do you have a good view of the game from behind your computer in Austria?

[alpine_saint]

Why don't you tell us Alps?

Do you have a good view of the game from behind your computer in Austria?

 

Ah, no answer then ?

 

I open myself up to be put right by you, and you cannot answer.

 

Thought so....

[Thedelldays]

Why don't you tell us Alps?

Do you have a good view of the game from behind your computer in Austria?

well..quite a few people who went yesterday say we are going backwards...and the same people who went to brentford..

 

unless you went to those...right..?

 

or were you sat behind a computer..?

[Block 5]

Can someone just confirm for me?? Do some fans actually want to sack AP because we have drawn a few games and 90 mins from wembley?

 

:lol:

 

Confirmed.

[Block 5]

Ah, no answer then ?

 

I open myself up to be put right by you, and you cannot answer.

 

Thought so....

 

Because, as I've stated elsewhere...... We have added 5 new players to the squad.

 

It takes time for new players to gel and fit in with the other players around them.

Like at the beginning of the season, when we had new players and they hadn't gelled and our results weren't that good.

 

Remember?

[benjii]

Why do you think he is playing Mills and Seaborne over Harding and Jaidi? There is no way he is under pressure this season from the board, this season is all about building for next season. If we get a bonus cup win and FA Cup run then fantastic. After this season the squad will really start to gel and everyone will get to know each other inside out and these leads slipping will not happen. I for one will be watching with interest on how Pardew experiments and how the team plays for the rest of this season, rather than expecting win after win like others.

 

I agree with this largely.

 

Also, if the OP was intended to imply that Seabourne has somehow weakened us then I disagree completely. He has been good both times I've seen him and I would expect he and Fonte to be quite formiddable next season.

[Block 5]

well..quite a few people who went yesterday say we are going backwards...and the same people who went to brentford..

 

unless you went to those...right..?

 

or were you sat behind a computer..?

 

You clearly have access to my ticket buying history.......

 

But seriously, I am a ST holder and I was at Huddersfield, Charlton, Walsall, Colchester, Leeds etc etc so I am clearly a much better fan than you.

 

Na na na na na! :smt119

[benjii]

If a few players have a bad day then why would that mean the team is "going backwards"?

 

It's just a silly thing to say.

 

At the end of the day it's not a bad result on an awful pitch. It's not the sort of result that will get us into the play-offs but that would be down to our poor start not the team now.

[Thedelldays]

If a few players have a bad day then why would that mean the team is "going backwards"?

 

It's just a silly thing to say.

 

At the end of the day it's not a bad result on an awful pitch. It's not the sort of result that will get us into the play-offs but that would be down to our poor start not the team now.

so, the current rate of dropping poits from winning positions is nothing to worry about..?

 

NB - even pardew has mentioned this is a concern..

[SnailOB]

As a relatively 'new' poster (but someone that has read forum for a long time), wouldn't it be nice if people could argue the post rather than the poster ?

 

There are a few repetitive posts along lines of same theme with the same points being made. As for this OP, I would agree that the 'performances' do seem to be going backwards despite the investment in the side and the apparent (on paper) strength of the squad.

 

I DON'T want Pardew to be sacked BUT i do want AP to make his mind up soon as regards to his preferred formation / players / positions / tactics.

 

Yes I'm grateful we have a club etc... but talking about how things are NOW/TODAY the team do not seem to be playing as well as before xmas.

 

Lets hope it gets sorted soon.

 

(Is this a fair analysis or should I be deemed a 'troll' / negative person. Or, for not calling for APs head, am I happy-clappy ? Please let me know as I feel i'm missing out on all the adulation/attention some other posters seem to receive )

[S-Clarke]

What are some people on? This has been one of my best seasons as a season ticket holder. We haven't lost a game in god knows how long. Surely this has been Saints best run in years so why sack AP ?

 

Its obvious we wont go up this season but next season we wont have -10.

 

you're spot on, i've enjoyed this season. People got carried away with that run in November, but the reality was we would have had to keep that form up to be within the pack now - that wasn't going to happen, we didn't have the depth of squad back then.

 

I'm just enjoying this season because i know we will get better from here - and anyone who doesn't' see that is a bit silly.

 

and i think it's something like 2 defeats in 26 games. shocking form, i agree

[benjii]

so, the current rate of dropping poits from winning positions is nothing to worry about..?

 

NB - even pardew has mentioned this is a concern..

 

Where did I say it's "nothing to worry about"? Although, I don't think "worry" is a helpful response.

 

I said it's not evidence that the team is going backwards and that saying it is is silly.

[S-Clarke]

so, the current rate of dropping poits from winning positions is nothing to worry about..?

 

NB - even pardew has mentioned this is a concern..

 

leeds are in worse form than us FWIW - and norwich also lost a game...!

 

teams have dips - we're having one at the moment. (not so much in results, more so in performances)

 

if we were to have any chance this season, we could not have a single dip - we needed to motor on all year, but with a new team and a squad being built - the chances of that were always going to be slim.

[Block 5]

 

(Is this a fair analysis or should I be deemed a 'troll' / negative person. Or, for not calling for APs head, am I happy-clappy ? Please let me know as I feel i'm missing out on all the adulation/attention some other posters seem to receive )

 

Rest assured, you have already been branded a 'happy clapper'.

 

And here is your shiny badge. Wear it with pride.

 

[alpine_saint]

Confirmed.

 

Who has demanded his sacking ?

 

I dont know of anybody.

[Block 5]

Who has demanded his sacking ?

 

I dont know of anybody.

 

Shhhhhh.......don't you know it's supposed to be a whispering campaign?

[Pilchards]

Maybe you should have been there. if you were I think you would be having a whinge.

 

After going to Brentford and seeing our woeful 2nd half performance and todays shocking last 45 minutes when Exeter ran us ragged I have got to say for the first time this season I am starting to doubt AP really knows what he is doing.

 

I'm with you Fitzhugh on this, I know a manager should be given time but when you are winning games quite easily around October and November and then a constant struggle since then and yet he has brought in about 2 million of talent, you would expect even more improvements on the performances.

[Block 5]

I'm with you Fitzhugh on this, I know a manager should be given time but when you are winning games quite easily around October and November and then a constant struggle since then and yet he has brought in about 2 million of talent, you would expect even more improvements on the performances.

 

But the 5 new additions last month will take time to bed.

 

Let's wait until the end of February and see if results pick up (like they did in October, November & December).

[SFKA South Woodford]

Can someone please show all us doubting Thomas's this magic switch which is going to be flipped to make us win all these tough games next season? I'm sure we'll all feel a lot better for it!

 

As for playing teams on shocking pitches, why wont we be doing the same next season, is Markus going to pay for every team we play against to upgrade and improve their pitch to the standard at St Mary's or something? Wont opposition managers be telling their groundstaff to prepare their pitch to spoil our game?

 

Even at home, it's only really home advantage that means we are beating teams, and even then it usually takes a bad decision by the ref to get their backs up and get them playing, like the Stockport player going right through the back of Lambert last week and the ref and lino totally missing it. Then the players only stepped up their game until they had done enough, we played the worst team in the division and laboured and made them look good, coming away with a scoreline which should of flattered them, but actually flattered us.

 

The minus ten is totally irrelevant to our current position, as even without it we would still be five points away from the play offs, which is a gap which is widening with every away game, admittedly five points isn't a huge gap, but you need to be eating into it to have a chance of getting into those positions and the team isn't doing that at present.

 

It's Pardews choice to play all of his new acquisitions, he could of introduced them slowly, which I know would frustrate some who want to see them play, but tinkering with a winning formula too much is a sure way to failiure, especially when the one position in which the team is crying out for improvement hasn't been addressed. The team still desperately needs a dominant central midfielder, without it we have a decent defence, which would normally be able to soak up the oppositions attacks being over run by the pressure from the oppo's midfield and conceeding sloppy goals. Whilst Hammond is out he should be giving Gillet a try at breaking up the oppo's attacks, not James or the disaster that is Paul 'sideways or up and under' wotton.

 

If we are really going to be serious contenders next season, then this team has to start putting in more ninety minute performances and dominating more teams, at the moment I do not see much from them that says that next season will not be a repeat of this one.

[derry]

Can someone please show all us doubting Thomas's this magic switch which is going to be flipped to make us win all these tough games next season? I'm sure we'll all feel a lot better for it!

 

As for playing teams on shocking pitches, why wont we be doing the same next season, is Markus going to pay for every team we play against to upgrade and improve their pitch to the standard at St Mary's or something? Wont opposition managers be telling their groundstaff to prepare their pitch to spoil our game?

 

Even at home, it's only really home advantage that means we are beating teams, and even then it usually takes a bad decision by the ref to get their backs up and get them playing, like the Stockport player going right through the back of Lambert last week and the ref and lino totally missing it. Then the players only stepped up their game until they had done enough, we played the worst team in the division and laboured and made them look good, coming away with a scoreline which should of flattered them, but actually flattered us.

 

The minus ten is totally irrelevant to our current position, as even without it we would still be five points away from the play offs, which is a gap which is widening with every away game, admittedly five points isn't a huge gap, but you need to be eating into it to have a chance of getting into those positions and the team isn't doing that at present.

 

It's Pardews choice to play all of his new acquisitions, he could of introduced them slowly, which I know would frustrate some who want to see them play, but tinkering with a winning formula too much is a sure way to failiure, especially when the one position in which the team is crying out for improvement hasn't been addressed. The team still desperately needs a dominant central midfielder, without it we have a decent defence, which would normally be able to soak up the oppositions attacks being over run by the pressure from the oppo's midfield and conceeding sloppy goals. Whilst Hammond is out he should be giving Gillet a try at breaking up the oppo's attacks, not James or the disaster that is Paul 'sideways or up and under' wotton.

 

If we are really going to be serious contenders next season, then this team has to start putting in more ninety minute performances and dominating more teams, at the moment I do not see much from them that says that next season will not be a repeat of this one.

 

A realistic view.

[Secret Site Agent]

I understand things takes time etc.

 

At the moment AP has just assembled a massive squad.

 

I like blooding young CBs but we ain't getting points.

 

just cut and paste the 'Yeh lets change managers every five minutes as that has serves us so well in the past' statement

 

And also for failing to achieve a target that was never required in the first place. Whilst we are at it, lets sack him for not winning the champions league, the premiership and the six nations.

[benjii]

Not to play the cup-tied players yesterday would be madness when we have two cup matches coming up this week.

 

We played a decent-ish side on an awful pitch and got a draw. Decent result. Move on please.

[Gingeletiss]

FFS, we had 'fans' clamering for new signings. We got them, we played them, and now those same fans are asking questions 'why?'. If we had won the last two games, AP would be getting hailed as a master manager, but instead, he is getting ****. He played 1-4-5-1, he was wrong. He played 1-4-4-2, he was wrong, some said he should of stuck with 1-4-5-1. He plays PaPa, he is wrong, he should of played Antonio, he plays Antonio, he's wrong, he should of played PaPa. We get the second best striker in this league, he doesn't score in his fist game, he is a waste of money.

 

My point is, that we are now in danger of wearing the crown, of most fickle fans in football. AP will deliver, but I suspect that some on here won't give him that chance, as the Chinese whispers have started already.

 

ps....Fergie (and I don't like him) was one game away from the sack, now look at him!!!!!!

[sadoldgit]

[rant]So the 11 players that are out on the pitch can continuously avoid blame, as soon as we drop points it is instantly the managers fault? I'm sorry, but that isn't right. Any people who think that Pardew should be sacked now is seriously deluded as well, if that is the case.

 

Why, after every single match in which we drop points, do we have this massive "PARDEW OUT" versus "WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE A CLUB" debate. It's verging on ridiculous. I genuinely believe there are certain members of this forum who love it when we **** up, as they just love being negative, they love having a moan.

 

It's time for some realism, we're not going to win every game, and why not try and get behind the team when we don't.

 

This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, but it is so annoying and tiresome.[/rant]

 

I couldn't agree more. It wasn't that long ago when I expect us to lose every week so not losing is a massive plus. Win a few games and the usual suspects bang on about promotion, draw one and it is all doom and gloom again.

[sadoldgit]

I'm with you Fitzhugh on this, I know a manager should be given time but when you are winning games quite easily around October and November and then a constant struggle since then and yet he has brought in about 2 million of talent, you would expect even more improvements on the performances.

 

Once again it just goes to prove that you can't necessarily buy success.

[sadoldgit]

I understand things takes time etc.

 

At the moment AP has just assembled a massive squad.

 

I like blooding young CBs but we ain't getting points.

 

Don't you think he is earning his cash then? Since our slow start to the season how many games have we actually lost? We could end up at Wembley and could quite easily turn over a Prem club shortly. It wasn't all that long ago that many doubted that we would finsih midtable, now the disquite starts all over again. What is it with a group of posters on here who find it impossible to get behind the manager for any length of time?

[SFC Forever]

If a few players have a bad day then why would that mean the team is "going backwards"?

 

It's just a silly thing to say.

 

At the end of the day it's not a bad result on an awful pitch. It's not the sort of result that will get us into the play-offs but that would be down to our poor start not the team now.

 

Not if it has been going on for too long.

Two months ish ago we were on a run and were only 9 points at one time from the playoffs. We are now 15. This poor run has lasted as long/longer than our winning run. The performances have dropped. That is where the complaints are coming from. A lot of regular match goers are saying the same thing albeit in different ways. We have as much right to be concerned as those who aren't aren't.

[Wade Garrett]

Ah, no answer then ?

 

I open myself up to be put right by you, and you cannot answer.

 

Thought so....

 

Do me a favour.

 

F*ck off.

[alpine_saint]

Can someone please show all us doubting Thomas's this magic switch which is going to be flipped to make us win all these tough games next season? I'm sure we'll all feel a lot better for it!

 

As for playing teams on shocking pitches, why wont we be doing the same next season, is Markus going to pay for every team we play against to upgrade and improve their pitch to the standard at St Mary's or something? Wont opposition managers be telling their groundstaff to prepare their pitch to spoil our game?

 

Even at home, it's only really home advantage that means we are beating teams, and even then it usually takes a bad decision by the ref to get their backs up and get them playing, like the Stockport player going right through the back of Lambert last week and the ref and lino totally missing it. Then the players only stepped up their game until they had done enough, we played the worst team in the division and laboured and made them look good, coming away with a scoreline which should of flattered them, but actually flattered us.

 

The minus ten is totally irrelevant to our current position, as even without it we would still be five points away from the play offs, which is a gap which is widening with every away game, admittedly five points isn't a huge gap, but you need to be eating into it to have a chance of getting into those positions and the team isn't doing that at present.

 

It's Pardews choice to play all of his new acquisitions, he could of introduced them slowly, which I know would frustrate some who want to see them play, but tinkering with a winning formula too much is a sure way to failiure, especially when the one position in which the team is crying out for improvement hasn't been addressed. The team still desperately needs a dominant central midfielder, without it we have a decent defence, which would normally be able to soak up the oppositions attacks being over run by the pressure from the oppo's midfield and conceeding sloppy goals. Whilst Hammond is out he should be giving Gillet a try at breaking up the oppo's attacks, not James or the disaster that is Paul 'sideways or up and under' wotton.

 

If we are really going to be serious contenders next season, then this team has to start putting in more ninety minute performances and dominating more teams, at the moment I do not see much from them that says that next season will not be a repeat of this one.

 

This really is the best post on here for ages.

[TopGun]

Don't you think he is earning his cash then? Since our slow start to the season how many games have we actually lost? We could end up at Wembley and could quite easily turn over a Prem club shortly. It wasn't all that long ago that many doubted that we would finsih midtable, now the disquite starts all over again. What is it with a group of posters on here who find it impossible to get behind the manager for any length of time?

 

You or I could pick 11 players to start out of the massive squad and reasonably expect them to get a draw at Exeter. Pardew needs to be adding more value.