Pardew needs to start earning his cash

[Thedelldays]

how do you know? You dont go to games

yes I do..I went to the man U game last season..and Pride park 07 the time before that

[BadgerBadger]

We may be having some duff performances but:

1. speding lots of money is no protection from that

2. AP may be chopping and changing too much but we hardly need to think about getting rid of him

 

keep the frigging faith, give the guy some time

 

I'll be happy to call for his head but only after he's been given more of a chance than some on here would/are

[Wade Garrett]

Pardew took over the team too late. He didn't have much time to get a side together at the start of the season, we struggled, and people understood why.

 

After the first ten games, if we were offered mid-table at the end of the season, a decent cup run and a trip to Wembley most of us would have been more than happy.

 

Give the bloke a chance.

[Dr Who?]

I think AP does not know his best team. A the moment he is trying out different players and tactics to see what he has to play with for next season.

 

Of course he says he wants to make the playoff's but do not think deep down that we could do it.

 

I think JPT final will do for this season, and just sit back and relax for the rest of this season drawing away games and winning at home, and a top 10 finish.

 

Next season we will be title winners!!

[Thedelldays]

i am amazed that people talk about title winners next season when we have won about 11 in 29 games this season...

[Saint_clark]

i am amazed that people talk about title winners next season when we have won about 11 in 29 games this season...

 

Maybe because we have seen what we are capable of and believe we will produce it regularly next season when expectations from all sections of the club will be higher.

[BadgerBadger]

i am amazed that people talk about title winners next season when we have won about 11 in 29 games this season...

 

I'm not

[derry]

Alan Pardew isn't trying out tactics as he has two formations, what he is doing is poking players into different positions but the blend isn't right. Until he picks the players in their best positions and makes width, pace and balance the criteria we aren't going to win this league. This year, next year or any year.

[corky morris]

I dont think anyone is saying we should sack him. Having seen 4 out of the last 5 games & 22 this season - I think we have gone backwards since our win at Walsall. We were awesome that day & it would be churlish to think we could have kept that up, but today some of his decisions were very very strange.

Someone was mentioning Mills & Seabourne versus Jaidi & Harding & he was right they were injured & got replaced, but what did Perry do wrong? He was great at MK Dons & has not played since. Sorry to say & I hope I am wrong, but the 4 times I have seen Seabourne this season have not filled me with any kind of pride. I just dont know why we signed him. He does not look any better than Jaidi, Perry, Trotman or even Thomas as a centre half. He may come great, but he looks like a non-league hoofer to me

James was shocking today. Again I hope I am proved wrong, but every time I have seen him play in the middle of midfield he looks shocking. He played Ok in a 5, but in a 4 man midfield he looks lightweight & we simply carry him. Gillet deserves his chance over him IMHO.

I hope Pardew is here for 10 years & is very very succesful, but we do not appear to be improving. Surely as a paying supporter I can question his substitutions & tactics? I played to a reasonable standard. I am not a numpty. Remind me, what standard did Mourinho play?

Lawrie Mac? Even Wenger was not a particularly good player...

Come on Pardew......lets start working on the set plays & building the momentum & desire to perform again!!!!

[Thedelldays]

just been taking in all the reactions on here..and for the first time..a few regular match goers are starting to wobble about Pardew..

[up and away]

Originally Posted by Gingeletiss

Oh gosh...lets go back to sacking the manager every couple of weeks. Forget the 5 year plan, lets just apease all the sissy fans, who want a win every match, because, lets face it, we are the mighty Saints, and every team should just roll over and let us win......whingers, you bet!!!!

Maybe you should have been there. if you were I think you would be having a whinge.

 

After going to Brentford and seeing our woeful 2nd half performance and todays shocking last 45 minutes when Exeter ran us ragged I have got to say for the first time this season I am starting to doubt AP really knows what he is doing.

 

I was hoping Puncheon would be the spark, but it was not difficult to recognise the general malaise you see at home games. After watching Danns in the week, someone like that would have made a big step towards sorting the team out, but what did we get? 90% of our problems derive from midfield and we singularly failed to address that in the window. Amazes me now we never tried for another goalie to sort our problems out? I don't argue these players improve the squad, but they do very little to improve the team because they are not addressing the problem. I remember Shurlock posting my exact thoughts about Hammond, what to do if he loses form or gets injured, well sadly here is your answer.

 

Pardew is an intelligent person, but intelligence is not always found alongside common sense, so it looks here. To keep repeating the same errors time and time again, really grate. It's up to Cortese what happens to Pardew, but I would not be pleading. It would not surprise me for Pardew to sort things out and we go up as an automatic next season, equally it would not surprise me to see a repeat of this the following season.

[docker-p]

rome wasnt built in a day,its a five year plan for a reason.

Boy have they overrun!!!!

[SFC Forever]

[rant]So the 11 players that are out on the pitch can continuously avoid blame, as soon as we drop points it is instantly the managers fault? I'm sorry, but that isn't right. Any people who think that Pardew should be sacked now is seriously deluded as well, if that is the case.

 

Why, after every single match in which we drop points, do we have this massive "PARDEW OUT" versus "WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE A CLUB" debate. It's verging on ridiculous. I genuinely believe there are certain members of this forum who love it when we **** up, as they just love being negative, they love having a moan.

 

It's time for some realism, we're not going to win every game, and why not try and get behind the team when we don't.

 

This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, but it is so annoying and tiresome.[/rant]

 

 

Okay smartass so it isn't the managers fault that a team doesn't play well and win more games.

The manager is the person who buys and trains the players directly or with help.

The manager picks the team.

The manager who prepares the team for each match.

The manager who makes substitutions which don't work and indeed sometimes costs us points.

So if it isn't his fault who do we blame?

The fans?

The owner for employing him?

The players for being too dumb to do as he wants? Though he brought them here?

[RedAndWhite91]

Okay smartass so it isn't the managers fault that a team doesn't play well and win more games.

The manager is the person who buys and trains the players directly or with help.

The manager picks the team.

The manager who prepares the team for each match.

The manager who makes substitutions which don't work and indeed sometimes costs us points.

So if it isn't his fault who do we blame?

The fans?

The owner for employing him?

The players for being too dumb to do as he wants? Though he brought them here?

 

Alright smartarse, I didn't say the manager was completely void of blame did I? The manager isn't on the pitch putting the ball in the back of the net, that is the players, so they have to take some of the responsibility. Avram Grant is a proven PL and international manager, and Pompey are sh!t, is it completely his fault? Nope, it's not is it.

[Genk]

It's hilarious how some simple folk think they know more than AP.

 

How can people who are sat at a computer spout off about tactics without being:

 

a) at the game, and

 

b) involved in the game as a professional, with years of experience playing and managing at the highest level?

 

Exactly

[alpine_saint]

It's hilarious how some simple folk think they know more than AP.

 

How can people who are sat at a computer spout off about tactics without being:

 

a) at the game, and

 

b) involved in the game as a professional, with years of experience playing and managing at the highest level?

 

To answer your points :

 

a) I know you might find it painful to read, but there are today comments of doubt about AP and his tactical nous from people who attended the game

 

b) There are loads of people who have been involved in the game at the highest level who have turned out to be sh*te managers. Deal with it.

[SFC Forever]

Alright smartarse, I didn't say the manager was completely void of blame did I? The manager isn't on the pitch putting the ball in the back of the net, that is the players, so they have to take some of the responsibility. Avram Grant is a proven PL and international manager, and Pompey are sh!t, is it completely his fault? Nope, it's not is it.

 

Now you are being a prat. Pompey were in a much worse mess if only because he took over with Pompey bottom and with no money to buy.

Not one of the points made have you answered. Pardew has brought in enough players to make his own team minus a goalie.I wonder why. Is it because you find it easy to call people names but can't back it up with sensible argument. Give the reasons for it being the players faults.

 

Everyone especially me can make mistakes. That is why I didn't become a top manager and only ran a team in a little Sunday league for 7 years. the vast majority of fans who attend our games regularly have said at some time or other hoe they were baffled bt some of our manager's decisions. We all want the same thing and that is taken as read.

so if you disagree explain why if you can. Or are you afraid you really will look like a prat?

[SFC Forever]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Block 5

It's hilarious how some simple folk think they know more than AP.

 

How can people who are sat at a computer spout off about tactics without being:

 

a) at the game, and

 

b) involved in the game as a professional, with years of experience playing and managing at the highest level?

 

I go to every home game and the occassional away. you are like a lot of others on here who start name calling because they disagree with you. Well boo hoo. I am simple.

 

Congratulations you are so bloody intelligent I bow to your superior knowledge.

Now tell us simple guys and gals why our 40 odd strong squad isn't playing as a team because obviously we don't have a clue.

 

It couldn't be because there are too many players to pick from could it?

It couldn't be because half of the squad don't get a game very often, could it.

It couldn't be because he has still not sorted out our midfield, could it?

 

I am so looking forward to seeing your pearls of wisdom.

[RedAndWhite91]

Now you are being a prat. Pompey were in a much worse mess if only because he took over with Pompey bottom and with no money to buy.

Not one of the points made have you answered. Pardew has brought in enough players to make his own team minus a goalie.I wonder why. Is it because you find it easy to call people names but can't back it up with sensible argument. Give the reasons for it being the players faults.

 

Everyone especially me can make mistakes. That is why I didn't become a top manager and only ran a team in a little Sunday league for 7 years. the vast majority of fans who attend our games regularly have said at some time or other hoe they were baffled bt some of our manager's decisions. We all want the same thing and that is taken as read.

so if you disagree explain why if you can. Or are you afraid you really will look like a prat?

 

Think you're the one looking like a prat - You said "Is it because you find it easy to call people names but can't back it up with sensible argument" after calling me a 'smartass'. EDIT: and now a prat. I was simply returning the compliment. I won't revert to name calling if you don't, mate.

 

Ok.

 

Reasons it is JOINTLY the players' fault:

 

- They are on the pitch, making the passes, delivering the set pieces, defending our goal, banging them in at the other end. The manager isn't out doing that during those vital 90 mins. He can shout on the sideline, make the subs, but he isn't out there.

- Their responsibility is to win the games, that is why they are paid all that money.

- The manager (who, yes, it is PARTLY his fault as well, re-read my previous posts) brings those players into the team because they are deemed the best available players. Therefore, as the best available players, they have to get out there and do the business.

- They train all week in anticipation for 90 minutes of League football, it's their job to get out there and compete, battle, and ultimately win.

- As an example, and a pretty sh!t one due to my tiredness, if a player misses an open goal (and they've all done it, no matter how good) is it their fault or the managers fault? That miss could change the game, they could go on to lose, and no doubt the manager would get the blame.

 

 

Reasons it is JOINTLY the manager's fault:

 

-The reasons you mentioned, tactics, motivation, etc. I agree with you on that.

 

All I said at the start was that the manager cannot take 100% of the blame. The players have to hold some responsibility as well. I'd say it was 60/40 in my opinion.

 

Yes, some of AP's selections/tactics/subs this season have been baffling. I've been there. Out of 28 games I've missed 5 this year, I've seen it.

 

Anything else I haven't answered, I'll happily answer.

[Genk]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Block 5

It's hilarious how some simple folk think they know more than AP.

 

How can people who are sat at a computer spout off about tactics without being:

 

a) at the game, and

 

b) involved in the game as a professional, with years of experience playing and managing at the highest level?

 

I go to every home game and the occassional away. you are like a lot of others on here who start name calling because they disagree with you. Well boo hoo. I am simple.

 

Congratulations you are so bloody intelligent I bow to your superior knowledge.

Now tell us simple guys and gals why our 40 odd strong squad isn't playing as a team because obviously we don't have a clue.

 

It couldn't be because there are too many players to pick from could it?

It couldn't be because half of the squad don't get a game very often, could it.

It couldn't be because he has still not sorted out our midfield, could it?

 

I am so looking forward to seeing your pearls of wisdom.

 

I don't think that the 'half the squad don't get a game very often' argument can be used. We have say 20 players who are consistently in the squad but the rest aren't being used because AP doesn't rate them and unfortunately nobody else wants them!

 

We do have a lot of players but you need a good squad in this league which we are heading towards achieving, making selection very hard, and when results go against us, we can certainly question the players chosen in hinde sight.

 

I agree about the midfield in terms of the centre. Surprised someone didn't come in but maybe he's waiting till the Summer to get his man. Puncheon has however been brought in which will strengthen parts of the midfield

[SFC Forever]

OK RandW91 I'll agree that you have made a case.

Not every player can perform as is required. Not every error can be laid at the manager's door granted. Like all business if a team isn't working you look for the root cause. Then you weed it out.

Football is slightly different in so far as there are so many ponderables available.

Players performance can be altered by several things. Health, confidence, fitness, strength, skill and even experience.

This you have to be able to take on trust as you learn more about the game as a manager maybe. However the manager is the person who along with a team of coaches and medical staff etc train these players to perform as required. They ensure that players are ready to play. They try to teach them ways to improve individually and as a team. This my friend is where we differ.

The manager picks the players that he feels will play best as a team for a specific game. He picks players for whatever system will in his opinion do the job necessasry.

 

AP still has my trust but not to the extent he had 2 months ago. For me he has failed to provide the answer to the biggest problem we have. Our midfield. At very few matches has our midfield run a game. Time and again we have been overrun leaving our defence open to unprotected attacks. how many managers would bring in 4 new players like he did and play them all as he did with little or no preperation. I don't feel it was a move forced upon him either.

We all have our own idea as to who should start every game if fit and I am no different I guess to you in that way.

However, who I pick is down to me as would your pick be to you, and Alan Pardew's down to him. Even Fergie has admitted making mistakes. Not very often but he has. So as the person who picks the players we buy and then picks the players to play the manager must shoulder the responsibilty.

It is his job to get the players fired up and ready to go and play in his chosen style.

[SFC Forever]

I don't think that the 'half the squad don't get a game very often' argument can be used. We have say 20 players who are consistently in the squad but the rest aren't being used because AP doesn't rate them and unfortunately nobody else wants them!

 

We do have a lot of players but you need a good squad in this league which we are heading towards achieving, making selection very hard, and when results go against us, we can certainly question the players chosen in hinde sight.

 

I agree about the midfield in terms of the centre. Surprised someone didn't come in but maybe he's waiting till the Summer to get his man. Puncheon has however been brought in which will strengthen parts of the midfield

 

My point about the number actually getting a game is mainly because even if we have a diamond in the squad he could easily slip through our fingers.The reserves don't play as many games as the first team. some players seem to play most games in the reserves yet never even see the bench for a first team game. Whilst playing in the reserves they are taking a place that could be giving a first team player match playing time though of a lower standard.

 

I think sometimes we have queried player selection even before a game has started. I have I know.

 

Lastly size of our squad. Hopefully this problem will be sorted in May. Then we will also hopefully get two midfield players and a RB as cover or to replace. puncheon might be a usefull addition but we have to wait now to find out.

[Saintandy666]

I thought the plan was promotion if we can this season, definitely next season?

[SFC Forever]

I thought the plan was promotion if we can this season, definitely next season?

 

I would guess that just maybe this season is not going to happen. We will all enjoy a trip to the Smoke though for the final.

[Saint_clark]

I thought the plan was promotion if we can this season, definitely next season?

 

Exactly. The majority of people will not be too disappointed if we don't get promotion this year.

[SFKA South Woodford]

Maybe because we have seen what we are capable of and believe we will produce it regularly next season when expectations from all sections of the club will be higher.

 

Oh come on talk some sense!

 

How can we suddenly start winning week in, week out next season?

 

We will still be up against teams that see us as being their cup final, thus putting in that extra effort and still playing on pitches set up to spoil our playing style. So what is going to make the difference between this season and next when playing these teams on their pitches? After all we don't have a divine right to beat them and can't expect them to just roll over for us.

 

Pardew needs to get a ninety minute performance from his team far more regularly than he is achieving at the moment, or this time next year we will have a new manager, as you can be sure that if we aren't in the top two let alone the top six, Cortese will see it as being unacceptable.

 

If we are looking at the ultimately successful outcome that we all want at the end of next season, then the team have to start making their class tell and start turning these draws against awkward teams into wins, meaning that they have to start putting in more complete performances each game this season to carry it on into next season.

 

So let's hope they start with Franchise FC on Tuesday, so they get the crowds backing and St Marys rocking and we all get to go home happy.

[Saint Bones]

Seems to be the best team form we have had for many a season.

 

I must be mad - I'm enjoying not going into every match expecting a flogging.

 

Let's see out this season - Playoffs are a mighty way away. Next Season for me is the one where we can say - Ok Mr Pardew... you're starting on 0 points just like every other team - Lets see what you can do.

[Thedelldays]

Seems to be the best team form we have had for many a season.

 

I must be mad - I'm enjoying not going into every match expecting a flogging.

 

Let's see out this season - Playoffs are a mighty way away. Next Season for me is the one where we can say - Ok Mr Pardew... you're starting on 0 points just like every other team - Lets see what you can do.

yes..and we have never spent this amount of money compared to our rivals..

 

put us back in the prem when we were bottom 4 all the time..then give us £75m to spend...you reckon we might improve by default..?

 

 

another point...how come this season we have no "devine right" to beat anyone but next season we "will probably win the league"

 

barking if you ask me

[FarehamRed]

yes..and we have never spent this amount of money compared to our rivals..

 

put us back in the prem when we were bottom 4 all the time..then give us £75m to spend...you reckon we might improve by default..?

 

 

another point...how come this season we have no "devine right" to beat anyone but next season we "will probably win the league"

 

barking if you ask me

 

yes...but none (that I can recall) of our rivals had just come out of administration, and had a "team" of demorialised kids who were used to looseing every week. We were relegated from the Championship for a reason - were really were not very good. So, yes AP has spent some money, but that's because he had to (if he hadn't I dread to think where we would be now).

 

In a very short space of time AP has has not only caught up with other teams in the league, but overtaken most of them.

 

It is always on the cards that it will take most players a few months to settle in and the for team to play as a team. I think what we're seeing now is similar to the start of the season. It will take a while for things to settle down again. But I wouldn't mind betting that we'll win the last 10 games of the season on the spin.

 

I'd also expect that AP has now done most of his rebuilding. One to two faces will be added over the summer, and then we'll really crack on.

[Thedelldays]

im sorry..but we did not have a team of demoralised kids...

 

the team starting and by all accounts playing awful and dropping points at the mo has only 2 or 3 players from last season in it..

 

but we did not arrive in the summer with a bunch of teenagers ffs

[offix]

We started the season at minus 10.

Our squad was unmotivated and expected to lose every match

In spite of that we are now smack in the middle of the table, which is exactly what the 5 year plan called for (survival in mid table, promotion next year)

Oh how I wish the days of RL were here again.

God, what a completely moronic original post.

[Thedelldays]

We started the season at minus 10.

Our squad was unmotivated and expected to lose every match

In spite of that we are now smack in the middle of the table, which is exactly what the 5 year plan called for (survival in mid table, promotion next year)

Oh how I wish the days of RL were here again.

God, what a completely motronic original post.

starting on -10 has nothing to do with awful displays and excuse making that we are now seeing..

 

nearly everyone agrees that we are going backwards...ffs

 

leeds got into the playoffs from -15 with the great manager called Dennis Wise in charge..

 

nice

[FarehamRed]

im sorry..but we did not have a team of demoralised kids...

 

the team starting and by all accounts playing awful and dropping points at the mo has only 2 or 3 players from last season in it..

 

but we did not arrive in the summer with a bunch of teenagers ffs

 

You and I must have been watching a different side last season then TDD.

 

The point I was making was that, yes, the team that started yesterday IS very different from the team that we relagated. We've come a long way, but they do need time and support to develop into the team they are capable of developing into.

 

And if you want a prime example of what a lack of patience can do, have a look at QPR.

[Thedelldays]

 

And if you want a prime example of what a lack of patience can do, have a look at QPR.

or Norwich..?

 

I dont want pardew gone..I want him to make us better than being on par with exeter away

[FarehamRed]

or Norwich..?

 

I dont want pardew gone..I want him to make us better than being on par with exeter away

 

Don't we all! But generally these things don't happen overnight.

 

Look at AF at Utd or Kendall at Everton. Both were very nearly sacked (and would have been but for lucky cup wins), but a bit of patients paid off in droves.

[Thedelldays]

Don't we all! But generally these things don't happen overnight.

 

Look at AF at Utd or Kendall at Everton. Both were very nearly sacked (and would have been but for lucky cup wins), but a bit of patients paid off in droves.

no point pointing out examples as there are as many (or more) of managers producing quicker than pardew

 

lets hope for his own job that we get better this season

[offix]

or Norwich..?

 

I dont want pardew gone..I want him to make us better than being on par with exeter away

 

And I want to win the premier in 3 years. And if we don't I will be mightily upset and demand that we get a new owner, manager, CEO, kitman and a completely new stadium:rolleyes:

[alpine_saint]

We started the season at minus 10.

Our squad was unmotivated and expected to lose every match

In spite of that we are now smack in the middle of the table, which is exactly what the 5 year plan called for (survival in mid table, promotion next year)

Oh how I wish the days of RL were here again.

God, what a completely moronic original post.

 

Almost as moronic as you regurgitating the Party Line for the billionth time.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

To answer your points :

 

a) I know you might find it painful to read, but there are today comments of doubt about AP and his tactical nous from people who attended the game

 

b) There are loads of people who have been involved in the game at the highest level who have turned out to be sh*te managers. Deal with it.

 

You are suggesting AP is a ****e manager then or am i reading it wrong?

[SFC Forever]

Quote:

Originally Posted by offix

We started the season at minus 10.

Our squad was unmotivated and expected to lose every match

In spite of that we are now smack in the middle of the table, which is exactly what the 5 year plan called for (survival in mid table, promotion next year)

Oh how I wish the days of RL were here again.

God, what a completely moronic original post.

 

Almost as moronic as you regurgitating the Party Line for the billionth time.

 

 

We all know where we were as the season started. That has absolutely nothing to do with our current situation.

 

The simple fact is that over the last two months we have dropped 6 points further away from the playoff positions.

The team is playing by the numbers. there is no fire in their bellies.

Us regular match goers can accept losing to better teams. Until recently the worst performance I had seen was the Swindon one. Our team has no-one to spark it off. We have not had a midfield for years that was/is worth calling a midfield. We still have no midfield and no heart. We watch Pompey losing week on week to better teams but until possibly their last two games they have fought for survival. They have players wondering whether they will have a club fighting for their very lives and we have lightweights. We all want AP to succeed because that will save us the bother of getting in a new manager. However when it appears that the current one is lost and unsure of himself we have a problem.

 

I will probably be vilified for doubting AP but doubt him I do.

[offix]

Alps, Wow, the last few seasons you and I seemed to agree on most issues, but this year that seems not to be the case. I didn't know anyone had defined a "party line", all I know is that even from this great distance I am enjoying my football again.

[Block 5]

To answer your points :

 

a) I know you might find it painful to read, but there are today comments of doubt about AP and his tactical nous from people who attended the game

 

b) There are loads of people who have been involved in the game at the highest level who have turned out to be sh*te managers. Deal with it.

 

a) I was at Swindon and people questioned his substitutions and 'tactical nous' at that game. (Even more so when he brought on Gobern & Saga on 81 minutes - the latter seemingly as a result of fan pressure, and Rasiak on 90 minutes). People questioning his tactics is nothing new!

 

b) True, there are plenty of professionals who have turned out to be carp managers, but I would still value their opinion more than your own or any other poster on a forum because of their experience. (No offence intended to you Alps).

Edited 7 February, 2010 by Block 5
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[Block 5]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Block 5

It's hilarious how some simple folk think they know more than AP.

 

How can people who are sat at a computer spout off about tactics without being:

 

a) at the game, and

 

b) involved in the game as a professional, with years of experience playing and managing at the highest level?

 

I go to every home game and the occassional away. you are like a lot of others on here who start name calling because they disagree with you. Well boo hoo. I am simple.

 

Congratulations you are so bloody intelligent I bow to your superior knowledge.

Now tell us simple guys and gals why our 40 odd strong squad isn't playing as a team because obviously we don't have a clue.

 

It couldn't be because there are too many players to pick from could it?

It couldn't be because half of the squad don't get a game very often, could it.

It couldn't be because he has still not sorted out our midfield, could it?

 

I am so looking forward to seeing your pearls of wisdom.

 

I think you're being a bit harsh towards me but I shall respond nonetheless.

 

If I had to give one reason why I think the team isn't playing 'as a team' I would say it was because we have added 5 new players to the squad in the last few weeks.

Obviously it will take a while for them to gel.

Remember the beginning of the season, we had new players and it took a while to start getting the results.........?

 

On a personal note, ease up on the sarcasm a bit. It's not healthy.

[sotonjoe]

I think one of the mods should dig out the thread from the time of AP's appointment in which member upon member declared that AP would be given time before being judged.

 

The general feeling then was that this was a stabilisation season and that next season would be the big push. I'd be very interested to see how many members have changed their spots as it were, and have now started piling on excess pressure when they said they would refrain from doing so.

 

There's no justification for this. Peope forget so quickly where we were at the beginning of the season and ambition goes to peope's heads far too quickly. I've said it before and I'll say it again; a Wembley final, beating Pompey and a mid-table finish would make me as happy as I could reasonably expect to be this season.

[alpine_saint]

Alps, Wow, the last few seasons you and I seemed to agree on most issues, but this year that seems not to be the case. I didn't know anyone had defined a "party line", all I know is that even from this great distance I am enjoying my football again.

 

Sorry, my post was a bit hard on you.

 

Its just everyone keeps rolling out that same list of excuses. None of them justify our poor form now (that we are supposed to heart from for NEXT season).

[chrisobee]

Oh boy, not been on here for ages, thought this thread was a joke !? We are one game away from Wembley, in the 5th Rd of the FA Cup and but for the -10 points would be close to the play offs in spite of a slow start which was entirely predictable and not the fault of anyone CURRENTLY at the club.

So nothing on here has changed, I'm off back to the off topic forum, a friendly and sensible discussion on cricket anyone ?

[alpine_saint]

Oh boy, not been on here for ages, thought this thread was a joke !? We are one game away from Wembley, in the 5th Rd of the FA Cup and but for the -10 points would be close to the play offs in spite of a slow start which was entirely predictable and not the fault of anyone CURRENTLY at the club.

 

...and there it is again.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

...and there it is again.

 

And you keep on rolling out the same dross yourself.....along with the

"we want it now brigade" and even assume that the powers

at sfc agree with you.

 

Most people only bring out the "patient view" in reponse to yours

and a few others making several threads about how bad it all is.

[alpine_saint]

And you keep on rolling out the same dross yourself.....along with the

"we want it now brigade" and even assume that the powers

at sfc agree with you.

 

Most people only bring out the "patient view" in reponse to yours

and a few others making several threads about how bad it all is.

 

Just wrote this on another thread, but here goes again....

 

What progress are we making in our playing and tactics, etc. as a TEAM, even accounting for the money we have spent ?

[offix]

Sorry, my post was a bit hard on you.

 

Its just everyone keeps rolling out that same list of excuses. None of them justify our poor form now (that we are supposed to heart from for NEXT season).

 

No excuses at all. We were crap, now we are significantly better. What would there be to apologize for? I just don't get it.

 

Would I love it if we ran away with the title? Sure. But would I happily have killed for a mid table finish in our pre-Markus era? Abso-f@cking-lutely!

 

I see nothing that requires an excuse. If we had been a competitive team last season then maybe we could call our current form "poor" as you do. But given the form we saw for many seasons in the past, our current form is well above acceptable, especially if one believes that we are still improving.