Weston Saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 I really do think the centre midfield partnership isnt doing their job at the moment,they aren`t supplying the wide men and forwards with any decent ball thus they have to come looking for it narrowing all attacking options.It is a difficult one but the wide players must be disciplined and not go looking infield for the ball. Stay wide and eventually the midfield will get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Two square pegs out of position. Lallana right footed, Waigo isn't a wide player. Puncheon is a natural left sided pacy attacker, needs to play there. Waigo was brilliant last week up front not wide right. Antonio, Puncheon, Waigo and Lambert should have been the front four attackers. Making a place for Lallana and James is compromising the balance. Until we play pace on the touchlines we won't move the ball around. It is the lack of this that is the cause of lumping the ball up front. So we did play wide players on the narrowest pitch I've seen where the flanks were cut to pieces after 5 mins and where the wingers couldn't run with the ball. Still, when have the facts stopped you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 So we did play wide players on the narrowest pitch I've seen where the flanks were cut to pieces after 5 mins and where the wingers couldn't run with the ball. Still, when have the facts stopped you. It's funny isn't it! Next week it will be width, pace and height. The week after it will be width, pace, height and a wicked sense of humour... etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 It's funny isn't it! Next week it will be width, pace and height. The week after it will be width, pace, height and a wicked sense of humour... etc I'd stick with income tax, you obviously have little idea what makes a team work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 So we did play wide players on the narrowest pitch I've seen where the flanks were cut to pieces after 5 mins and where the wingers couldn't run with the ball. Still, when have the facts stopped you. This is the way we play on good pitches as well, the result, crap against Ipswich, Stockport and a lot of other games. Your Exeter pitch argument doesn't hold water, years ago pitches were awful at this time of the year, far worse than anything you saw at Exeter, but it didn't stop teams playing decent football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Two square pegs out of position. Lallana right footed, Waigo isn't a wide player. Puncheon is a natural left sided pacy attacker, needs to play there. Waigo was brilliant last week up front not wide right. Antonio, Puncheon, Waigo and Lambert should have been the front four attackers. Making a place for Lallana and James is compromising the balance. Until we play pace on the touchlines we won't move the ball around. It is the lack of this that is the cause of lumping the ball up front. Don't think that will do it either. Puncheon looked effective yesterday precisely because he was picking the ball up in all of parts of the park - like Lallana, you'll probably think he's not disciplined enough. The closest we've come to playing two wide men with pace was Luton in the cup where Antonio started on the right and Papa on the left. Admittedly it was not perfect - Papa is not a left sided player let alone winger but it did inject some pace on both flanks as you bang on about. However, neither players shone because the centre of midfield didn't impose itself and provide them with effective distribution - and Hammond and Schneiderlin, currently our best midfield combo, started that day. In light of the opposition, it was possibly one of our worst performances of the season. You think pace and width are some kind of panacea - they're nothing of sort without a strong CM and that's where we've been weakest for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 I'd stick with income tax, you obviously have little idea what makes a team work. You're right. I really must do a couple of coaching courses then I'd be able to tell Mourinho, Ancelloti, Wenger, Pardew etc to get a few more out-and-out wingers on the pitch and people would have no choice but to stand up and take notice of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Don't think that will do it either. Puncheon looked effective yesterday precisely because he was picking the ball up in all of parts of the park - like Lallana, you'll probably think he's not disciplined enough. The closest we've come to playing two wide men with pace was Luton in the cup where Antonio started on the right and Papa on the left. Admittedly it was not perfect - Papa is not a left sided player let alone winger but it did inject some pace on both flanks as you bang on about. However, neither players shone because the centre of midfield didn't impose itself and provide them with effective distribution - and Hammond and Schneiderlin, currently our best midfield combo, started that day. In light of the opposition, it was possibly one of our worst performances of the season. You think pace and width are some kind of panacea - they're nothing of sort without a strong CM and that's where we've been weakest for a while. Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Don't think that will do it either. Puncheon looked effective yesterday precisely because he was picking the ball up in all of parts of the park - like Lallana, you'll probably think he's not disciplined enough. The closest we've come to playing two wide men with pace was Luton in the cup where Antonio started on the right and Papa on the left. Admittedly it was not perfect - Papa is not a left sided player let alone winger but it did inject some pace on both flanks as you bang on about. However, neither players shone because the centre of midfield didn't impose itself and provide them with effective distribution - and Hammond and Schneiderlin, currently our best midfield combo, started that day. In light of the opposition, it was possibly one of our worst performances of the season. You think pace and width are some kind of panacea - they're nothing of sort without a strong CM and that's where we've been weakest for a while. Yesterday we only had two players on the pitch at the same time with pace. When we play with proper width and pace down the flanks with somebody like Waigo up the middle, we will play good football and the central midfield will find it a lot easier to get things going. The central midfield is woeful, James and Wotton aren't up to standard and Schneiderlin can't pass if there aren't players out wide, what we have at the moment is promoting a belt it up to Lambert style and it doesn't work. Yet again another goal from a set piece after two passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 On my way home from the game. I'm actually not that bothered about today's game. Boohoo, we were rubbish today, oh well, this coming week isour most important week for years. What I don't understand is why our support was so awful today? Worst away support for ages, not sure why? I hope we're not turning onto Chelsea - who only chant when they are 3-0 up, because anything less is a big disappointment to them ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Yesterday we only had two players on the pitch at the same time with pace. When we play with proper width and pace down the flanks with somebody like Waigo up the middle, we will play good football and the central midfield will find it a lot easier to get things going. So you would play Antonio, Waigo and Puncheon together, presumably in a 4-4-2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 This is the way we play on good pitches as well, the result, crap against Ipswich, Stockport and a lot of other games. Your Exeter pitch argument doesn't hold water, years ago pitches were awful at this time of the year, far worse than anything you saw at Exeter, but it didn't stop teams playing decent football. Forgive me for thinking you're full of sh*t, but you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 So you would play Antonio, Waigo and Puncheon together, presumably in a 4-4-2? Puncheon left, Antonio right, Waigo with Lambert, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Forgive me for thinking you're full of sh*t, but you are. You were doing alright until you forgot your manners, this sort of comment is pathetic and does you no credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 You were doing alright until you forgot your manners, this sort of comment is pathetic and does you no credit. I'm passed caring. Your tedious agenda means that anything your write is tarnished. Only an idiot, or someone so blinkered that they miss what they actually are seeing, would have failed to notice that yesterday we were set up with wide players and after 5min it was clear that the pitch wasn't going to let that happen. At that point we should have switched to a straight 442. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Puncheon left, Antonio right, Waigo with Lambert, yes. If we are to play 4-4-2 that doesn't look bad to me. CM is more concerning because those four players require some support from the middle of the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 I'm passed caring. Your tedious agenda means that anything your write is tarnished. Only an idiot, or someone so blinkered that they miss what they actually are seeing, would have failed to notice that yesterday we were set up with wide players and after 5min it was clear that the pitch wasn't going to let that happen. At that point we should have switched to a straight 442. Return you mind to Terry Paine and John Sydenham and the pitches they played on. I can't recall them not playing if the pitch was narrow or boggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 I'm passed caring. Your tedious agenda means that anything your write is tarnished. Only an idiot, or someone so blinkered that they miss what they actually are seeing, would have failed to notice that yesterday we were set up with wide players and after 5min it was clear that the pitch wasn't going to let that happen. At that point we should have switched to a straight 442. I know this thread is a reaction to yesterday, but it isn't only about yesterday which was just another poor display. I'm talking about how we are playing regularly not just about Exeter. Until we change we are going nowhere. It didn't seem to stop Exeter playing better than us by all accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Return you mind to Terry Paine and John Sydenham and the pitches they played on. I can't recall them not playing if the pitch was narrow or boggy. I'm 43 not 63! If it hasn't passed you by were are in division 3 with division 3 players which means, in general that they're not very good. That people expect them to be playing like the two players you mention says an awful lot about the expectations of too many fans and why they really, really don't get it. They'd be better off sat in the pub talking about the good ole days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Return you mind to Terry Paine and John Sydenham and the pitches they played on. I can't recall them not playing if the pitch was narrow or boggy. My point exactly, and they wouldn't have been 20 yds inside the touchline either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 I'm 43 not 63! If it hasn't passed you by were are in division 3 with division 3 players which means, in general that they're not very good. That people expect them to be playing like the two players you mention says an awful lot about the expectations of too many fans and why they really, really don't get it. They'd be better off sat in the pub talking about the good ole days. Those players were playing in the third division. That's why we do get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 (edited) I know this thread is a reaction to yesterday, but it isn't only about yesterday which was just another poor display. I'm talking about how we are playing regularly not just about Exeter. Until we change we are going nowhere. It didn't seem to stop Exeter playing better than us by all accounts. So you didn't see the game yesterday yet can comment on it and how the pitch impacted on it? So you didn't see who the wide men were attempting to get the ball down and run with it only for it to be bouncing and bobbling everywhere meaning that they couldn't go at full throttle and that fullbacks/covering midfielders could get tackles and blocks in? So you didn't see that, after 5 mins, it was clear wing play wouldn't work? Still, doesn't stop you commentating on yesterdays match. Yes Stockport was poor and yes, yesterday was poor, but your views are tedious and simplistic and tinged with your obvious contempt of the current manager. Edited 7 February, 2010 by View From The Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Just got back - and the fact is that the performance was characteristic of plenty of performances this season - even many during our supposed purple patch. General observations are largely covered elsewhere but here are my two pennies. 1. We play hoofball - fullstop. Yes the pitch made paschendale look like a lawn bowling green but its not as if we're Arsenal and our favoured passing game was somehow disrupted. We should have coped. Fact is that if Lambert isn't winning his headers, we have no plan B. 2. Our central midfield is not up for the scrap - by contrast, our central defense was fairly comfortable. Hammond will improve things when he returns but we need another box-to-box terrier. We can perhaps get away with one of James or Schneiderlin in the middle but not both - persevering with them recalls the demented days of the dutch duo. Indeed, with the likes of Mills, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Antonio, Seaborne, James, Puncheon it was an extremely young, and unintimidating team. 3. The most encouraging thing today was Puncheon's debut. Unlike the rest of the team, was happy to take responsibility and control of the ball. Was my Saints MOTM, though that's not saying much. 4. Either play Papa down the middle in a 4-4-2 or possibly behind Lambert in a 4-5-1 or not at all. He's a striker not a RM. AP labours under the assumption that Antonio and Papa are mutually exclusive options - they're not. Why not play both? Only listened, but your view of the home games is normally identical. What I cannot forgive in Pardew is repeating the same error time and time again in certain areas. One is Papa, as you have already described. How many times does Pardew have to see this for the penny to drop? Old money seeming an appropriate indication of the time frame involved. And yet once again, the midfield fails to give control making the team far worse than it actually is. Pardew found one system that worked with Wooton, discarded it for what ever whim, reinstated it second half against Ipswich and MK Dons for it to work. Then blessed with too many toys to play with at the same time, off we go with the merrygoround again. Pardew desperately wants 442 to work to get our great attacking options into the action, perfectly understandable. But to do that he has to get control of the midfield, something he spectacularly failed to address in the window. He was not daft enough to go with 442 yesterday, but just as feeble he goes out with a 451 that would get a good kickin at mothercare. I would agree that Wooton is a poor footballer, but I can't dispute the fact he gets a job done in front of the back four and amazingly allows the others to play their game. I find it hard to rationalise anyone suggesting, however indirectly, that we need a managerial change. Have we learned nothing from the last 6 years? Pardew needs to stabilise the squad and define the best 11 for the job in hand but I reckon a clearout in the summer and a proper preseason will sort that and we could be an unstoppable force next year. The question is, have we learned nothing from this season. I find it soul destroying to watch the exact same main errors being repeated time and time again. Just how stupid do you have to be to repeat the same errors over this time period. It's like the youtube clip where the baboon faints when he finds a snake under a rock, only to immediately repeat it when he comes round. It's not the making of the errors in the first place, as I can see some original logic, but to continually repeat them where you know you have an alternative that works, does my head in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Those players were playing in the third division. That's why we do get it. Then I would suggest you sit in the pub, nursing your memories of the good old days as this modern football lark seems to leave you totally confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Then I would suggest you sit in the pub, nursing your memories of the good old days as this modern football lark seems to leave you totally confused. What football? We don't seem to be doing much of it at all. I will bow to your impeccable knowledge of modern football. And to think that my coaching qualifications count for nothing. It's sad to know I needn't have bothered when you have such expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 There they are! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 What football? We don't seem to be doing much of it at all. I will bow to your impeccable knowledge of modern football. And to think that my coaching qualifications count for nothing. It's sad to know I needn't have bothered when you have such expertise. Oh please, I wasn't swaying towards either of your points in this debate but to say that if you don't play like the footballing greats of old then you are not good enough period is just ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 (edited) Oh please, I wasn't swaying towards either of your points in this debate but to say that if you don't play like the footballing greats of old then you are not good enough period is just ridiculous. I didn't say that at all. We aren't performing, we are using a mix of players in two systems, only the MK Dons first leg was a decent performance as opposed to acceptable results in the last two months. The question is, why aren't we playing football as opposed to hit it up to Lambert? I have a view, I have had loads of disagreement, but nobody has put an alternative tactical point other than criticise individual players. It's got nothing to do with putting the clock back it is about our lack of a balanced team. The manager doesn't know the answer as we keep doing more of the same. For me the equation is simple. If players are available wide, immediately a central midfielder receives the ball it can be passed out wide then passed with support from the ajacent full back/midfielder/strikers and time used allows the midfielder/s to break forward. If there is nobody wide the ball has to go back or be hoofed forward. That is the problem and an answer. Furthermore because of the players wide it pulls the defenders over, keeping a wide player on the blindside also stops the other full back tucking in, this creates bigger gaps in the stretched out back four, giving more room for the runners from midfield to get into and pass the ball. How do you think we should get to a passing game from our present situation? Edited 7 February, 2010 by derry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 I'll put you down for a 'don't know' then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 To be fair you cant blame AP for the shocking delivery at set pieces today. Corners & free kicks were absolutely shocking. Oh so who does decide who takes the set pieces then - the tea lady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 This is the way we play on good pitches as well, the result, crap against Ipswich, Stockport and a lot of other games. Your Exeter pitch argument doesn't hold water, years ago pitches were awful at this time of the year, far worse than anything you saw at Exeter, but it didn't stop teams playing decent football. You give the impression you know better than everyone else re football... Or is that just your positive nature:) You even give me the impression that you are a better coach than employed by the Saints..To me you appear have a personal thing against Pards....:smt052 Were you a fan of Wotte and Rupes by chance? Everyone entitled to their opinion;) You really do go on sometimes:mad: A lot of the other posters have a fair view of Saints and sometimes they are definitely right.... At Exeter it was very frustrating but not enough to give up on Pards, NC and ML just yet... Surely Pards gets it right some of the time:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 You give the impression you know better than everyone else re football... Or is that just your positive nature:) You even give me the impression that you are a better coach than employed by the Saints..To me you appear have a personal thing against Pards....:smt052 Were you a fan of Wotte and Rupes by chance? Everyone entitled to their opinion;) You really do go on sometimes:mad: A lot of the other posters have a fair view of Saints and sometimes they are definitely right.... At Exeter it was very frustrating but not enough to give up on Pards, NC and ML just yet... Surely Pards gets it right some of the time:cool: Yes he does but that is not worth a mention,nothing to say unless a critisism can be made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 You give the impression you know better than everyone else re football... Or is that just your positive nature:) You even give me the impression that you are a better coach than employed by the Saints..To me you appear have a personal thing against Pards....:smt052 Were you a fan of Wotte and Rupes by chance? Everyone entitled to their opinion;) You really do go on sometimes:mad: A lot of the other posters have a fair view of Saints and sometimes they are definitely right.... At Exeter it was very frustrating but not enough to give up on Pards, NC and ML just yet... Surely Pards gets it right some of the time:cool: Yes he does but that is not worth a mention,nothing to say unless a critisism can be made Football is a simple game, I go to matches expecting to see the team play football but apart from a spell of about six matches after the BR defeat the football has been dire. I don't rate hoof it up to Lambert as progress, I've got nothing against Pardew but the evidence at the moment is he isn't getting us playing. If we continue to play like this he will lose his job and as far as I'm concerned unless there is a change in tactics I won't miss him. Cortese hasn't got any time for failing and I'm pretty sure will be ruthless if we fall short of his goals. If he sorts this out and the team start to play watchable football then I will support him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Football is a simple game, I go to matches expecting to see the team play football but apart from a spell of about six matches after the BR defeat the football has been dire. I don't rate hoof it up to Lambert as progress, I've got nothing against Pardew but the evidence at the moment is he isn't getting us playing. If we continue to play like this he will lose his job and as far as I'm concerned unless there is a change in tactics I won't miss him. Cortese hasn't got any time for failing and I'm pretty sure will be ruthless if we fall short of his goals. If he sorts this out and the team start to play watchable football then I will support him. Fair comment:) But in the meantime...please try a little support and understanding...Or you derry will turn into a grumpy old man like my mate Duncan.....:smt052 You surely remember some of the horrendous games in the 50s and 60s:smt119 Even Terry Paine and John Sydenham were useless on many occasions but we still loved them;) As for Ted Bates and Lawrie Mac...There were times when I thought they did not have a clue:?: Pards..In my little world is a lot better than you give him credit for and we will shine through..Or you can have those Dutch Netball coach/Managers back:smt086 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Well we've missed a real opportunity to close the gap, and it sounded pretty disappointing on Solent, seems that many of the fans who went back that up. Subconsciously are the players/coaches/manager already giving up on the league? I really hope not, as we still need a few points to be safe from relegation, and 18 games is a lot to drift through on cruise control. Still, two wins in the next two games and all will be forgiven, a big week for sure. Would be nice to see more progress in this team, as much to give some confidence for next season as anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Why was Seaborne playing with blood running down his head, what happened to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Fair comment:) But in the meantime...please try a little support and understanding...Or you derry will turn into a grumpy old man like my mate Duncan.....:smt052 You surely remember some of the horrendous games in the 50s and 60s:smt119 Even Terry Paine and John Sydenham were useless on many occasions but we still loved them;) As for Ted Bates and Lawrie Mac...There were times when I thought they did not have a clue:?: Pards..In my little world is a lot better than you give him credit for and we will shine through..Or you can have those Dutch Netball coach/Managers back:smt086 The good ones are easier to remember than the bad ones, the good players rather than the nondescripts. Ian White persuaded me into coaching after I broke a leg badly. I hate poor football even if it's internationals. The trouble I have is as soon as I hear the team I can say it is or it isn't going to work. Our team selection is almost always a that isn't going to work and it doesn't. I just wish I could say I like that but it isn't happening. I went to Springhill School opposite the Dell and have supported Saints since 1947 although I didn't go to matches until 1954. I would like Pardew to succeed but at the moment it is a that isn't going to work opinion from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mao Cap Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 I hope we're not turning onto Chelsea - who only chant when they are 3-0 up, because anything less is a big disappointment to them ............ I wouldn't worry, though I liked the ground it's extremely difficult to get much going on an open end. I think even Leeds struggled to get much going at their visit and they're much better vocally than us. God knows how they used to do it in the old days! As for the game, yes it was crap - not quite so bad as it's been made out to be I reckon, but disappointing and a little worrying, given that we haven't put in a good performance for a while (Ipswich apart). Not a lot to add to what others have said really, our corners and set pieces aren't up to much and we're very dependant on Lambert who has been pretty mediocre for a little while. Still, here's hoping we can pull something out of the hat twice next week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 didnt go to the game and was unable to listen to it . Have just read this thread and one thing is obvious . In the transfer window we failed to sign a recognised central midfielder and now have a surplus of centre backs . Pardew got that wrong or you cant get what is not available and so went for Puncheon. Still a bit early to be questioning the ability of our manager conveniently ignoring everything he has got right to date . Game had draw written all over it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 The draw was a fair result we should have been 2 up 1st half they played much better than us 2nd half and dealt with the rubbish pitch better than us. We need Hammond and Harding back in the team Mills is ok and good cover but it is time to get Harding back in the side we miss hammond James is ok good cover for 2 or 3 positions but we are missing Hammond big time. Puncheon looked good in places should have scored but looks a good buy Seaborne & Fonte did well. We will need to play much better if we are going to have the week we all want COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 My take is to drop the players who are underperforming and suffering a lack of form, Lallana being one of them, it is in their best interests and the teams. I dont get this continual playing of players who are out of touch hoping that they will play themselves back into form. A few matches on the bench will soon bring the form back. Even RL may benefit from a a few matches on the bench as it is plain to see that his effectiveness has dropped probably from being overplayed and as a loan striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 The draw was a fair result we should have been 2 up 1st half they played much better than us 2nd half and dealt with the rubbish pitch better than us. We need Hammond and Harding back in the team Mills is ok and good cover but it is time to get Harding back in the side we miss hammond James is ok good cover for 2 or 3 positions but we are missing Hammond big time. Puncheon looked good in places should have scored but looks a good buy Seaborne & Fonte did well. We will need to play much better if we are going to have the week we all want COYS AP's persistence with certain players and refusal of others is sometimes alarming. I would have thought he could use Gillett instead of James and see what happens even if it's for half an hour against Exeter.Thomas seems to be another cast out, only get's a game if we have no other option,if AP doesn't want him here why didn't he move on in the window,bet James plays right back tomorrow evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellows Bootlaces Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 Yep even Exeter... Hi Guys, ECFC fan here, in peace ! To be fair, we have taken points off you, Leeds and Norwich this season, so I don;t think Saturday was a freak result. If Davis hadn;t pulled pff a top drawer save in stoppage time, we'd have had all three points. The purpose of me registering on here is to make you aware of a weekly football internet TV show that we produce called Kellows Bootlaces.. it should be on line tomorrow, with post match reaction, but last weeks, including a preview of the game on Saturday is here ... http://www.kellowsbootlaces.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 Hi Guys, ECFC fan here, in peace ! To be fair, we have taken points off you, Leeds and Norwich this season, so I don;t think Saturday was a freak result. If Davis hadn;t pulled pff a top drawer save in stoppage time, we'd have had all three points. The purpose of me registering on here is to make you aware of a weekly football internet TV show that we produce called Kellows Bootlaces.. it should be on line tomorrow, with post match reaction, but last weeks, including a preview of the game on Saturday is here ... http://www.kellowsbootlaces.co.uk Much appreciated....Very poor game on Saturday on a very poor pitch... Similar story re Norwich.....Like Saints in the old days at the Dell to a certain degree. But Exeter played well to Tis/game plan and used the lake over in front of me in the Flybe stand, much better than Saints.. Glad to hear that the pitch and old stand and away end are going to be sorted... Living down this part of the world I get to see a few local games including a few of The Grecians home games...including the Wembley v Cambridge ..great day and great result.. I have mentioned Craig Noone of Argyle a few times for Left side winger/midfielder who was on loan at Exeter but now back in Plymouth squad..One to watch, possibly. Like many Saints supporters I feel frustrated with some of our results but in the main we are pleased to be where we are considering our recent past... I hope the old Saint, Steve Neville gets over from Oz for the reunion.. Apparently his son is amore than useful young Right back for Perth...Then you know that already.. Once again many thanks for the heads up.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 Puncheon left, Antonio right, Waigo with Lambert, yes. Spot on and hope the centre midfield do there job!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellows Bootlaces Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 Much appreciated....Very poor game on Saturday on a very poor pitch... Similar story re Norwich.....Like Saints in the old days at the Dell to a certain degree. But Exeter played well to Tis/game plan and used the lake over in front of me in the Flybe stand, much better than Saints.. Glad to hear that the pitch and old stand and away end are going to be sorted... Living down this part of the world I get to see a few local games including a few of The Grecians home games...including the Wembley v Cambridge ..great day and great result.. I have mentioned Craig Noone of Argyle a few times for Left side winger/midfielder who was on loan at Exeter but now back in Plymouth squad..One to watch, possibly. Like many Saints supporters I feel frustrated with some of our results but in the main we are pleased to be where we are considering our recent past... I hope the old Saint, Steve Neville gets over from Oz for the reunion.. Apparently his son is amore than useful young Right back for Perth...Then you know that already.. Once again many thanks for the heads up.. Agree about Noone, and it was good to see Saints at the Park.. i remeber the days of 1976 really well, and always had a soft spot for you guys. Yep, Weavie Stevie Neville should be winging his way back soon... and of course there are a few saints connections with Scott Hiley, Richard Dryden, Bally , Steve Moran, and Terry Cooper... Back to the here and now, I thought we were well worth a point, and that the Saints players ran out of ideas far too early in the game to pose a sustained threat .. that said, a draw was fair... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 Agree about Noone, and it was good to see Saints at the Park.. i remeber the days of 1976 really well, and always had a soft spot for you guys. Yep, Weavie Stevie Neville should be winging his way back soon... and of course there are a few saints connections with Scott Hiley, Richard Dryden, Bally , Steve Moran, and Terry Cooper... Back to the here and now, I thought we were well worth a point, and that the Saints players ran out of ideas far too early in the game to pose a sustained threat .. that said, a draw was fair... Fair result... No Stevie Williams ? Living here in the Village..next road to to me... Good luck for the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellows Bootlaces Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 I just KNEW I would forget someone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 Have just had a look at the "highlights", thought we missed a lot of easy chances, Lambert got in the way of Fonté for their goal and that Fonté missed a couple of easy headers which, combined with James giving the ball away, nearly led to them scoring again Can see what AP means about quality, Lambert should have put his early chance away, Lallana and Puncheon had reasonably doable chances as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkiesaint Posted 8 February, 2010 Share Posted 8 February, 2010 I thought the same, enough chances to win the game by a mile, and a corner that dropped 2 or 3 yards from the goal line that wasn't claimed. You can't blame pardew for being a bit frustrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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