Devil's advocate

[BadgerBadger]

Difference being we probably went for the best palyer on all merits excluding money, just happend to be the cheaper option - whereas he who shall not be named went for the cheapest player regardless of merit

[Saint Fan CaM]

AP: I also need a powerful midefielder. get me Puncheon, Danns or Stock

NC: Ok leave it to me to get the best deal within the available budget.

AP: Oh, and can we add one of the leagues leading scorers to the list?

NC: Sure, anyone in mind?

 

Great post(s). Succinct and to the point.

 

Simple fact is Rupes didn't deliver success for the fans. NC is doing this time and time again - all his decisions so far are the right ones. And anyway, he is not the only key player in all this. Markus is providing the resources and AP is delivering the results where it counts - on the pitch. Lowe tried to be everything to everyone and failed spectularly on all counts.

[Toadhall Saint]

Great post(s). Succinct and to the point.

 

Simple fact is Rupes didn't deliver success for the fans. NC is doing this time and time again - all his decisions so far are the right ones. And anyway, he is not the only key player in all this. Markus is providing the resources and AP is delivering the results where it counts - on the pitch. Lowe tried to be everything to everyone and failed spectularly on all counts.

 

What he said!

[OldNick]

SOG, I understand your sentiments completely but am happy to forget all the past and move to now. It is odd how a different personality can get away with more, but to be fair RL just doesnt have an engaging personality in the media and so puts peoples backs up.

It is good than NONE of the past people in our demise show their faces and long so be it.

[SnailOB]

I can sometimes appreciate posters like SOG wanting to play devils advocate. After the MWilde fiasco we need people willing to discuss both sides of a story but as regards to the content of his OP, think he could be way off the mark and looking more for an argument than a reasoned debate.

 

The way the club is run now (as in ownership etc..) is totally different than under previous management (as quite clearly put by FF) Virtually all the areas that were highlighted as weaknesses in this current squad were addressed. Money was spent (and for now doesn't look like its been wasted)

 

How SOG can use an analogy of CB's / cheap option when we signed Fonte amazes me. Also saddens me how people seem to find it so easy to dismiss Seabournes credentials (and Barnards for that matter) all based on a transfer value.

[Give it to Ron]

SOG - Playing devils advocate....what do you think of Cortese/Markus team on the pitch compared to Loveable Old Rosey Cheeks team on the pitch??

 

Who plays the better football?

[slickmick]

SOG,

If we had bought the players you say we opted out for, would your argument then have been that we took the cheap option and didn't buy Sol Cambell or Moses ect ?

For a team that at present is still someway short of being in contention for promotion, it would be very hard to attract players from a higher league.

 

Marcus has bought in a top manager, has bought in two of the top strikers of this league a defender (Fonte) who many believe should be playing in the premiership a top midfield player that came from a promotion chasing team and various loanees from a higher division.

 

Now tell me, would it have made harmony in the changing room if we bought in over paid egos who think they are above their station ?

 

Fair play to our regime for not being taken for mugs. Football is changing and the sooner some players realise that the better the game will become.

 

Comparison: James Beattie's deal fell through because he thought £45k a week was what he's worth, now he will rot in the reserves at Stoke.

Mido agrees to play for £1k a week to get himself a chance of recognition again.

Who would you choose SOG ?? The cheap option or the best long term option ?

Edited 3 February, 2010 by slickmick

[JackFrost]

Lights blue touchpaper.......Something to think about.

 

We have recently put in bids for 3 midfielders and chosen the cheapest one. We were recently after two centre halves and pulled out of the bidding for the expensive one when our offer for the cheaper one was accepted.

 

Obviously cost isn't an indicator of whether they will turn out to be the best buys but do you see where this is leading?

 

If a previous CEO (who shall remain nameless) had done this the Board would be in meltdown about penny pinching - not knowing anything about football - not wanting the best players at the club blah blah blah.

 

But Nicola Coretese does it and not a peep.

 

He Who Must Not Be Named fell out with the Echo and it was all down to him. Nicola does it and the Echo are the ones at fault (even though they did nothing wrong in printing a story that was already in the public domain).

 

I hope these players turn out to be a huge success for SFC and only time will tell if the CEO was right to "penny pinch" (but to be honest I still think we are nowhere near the standard of Leeds or Norwich yet) but I have to say that the shadow of financial prudence that was so hated by a former CEO still looms large over the SFC accounts dept and wonder how long it will be before those who are currently creaming their jeans over the fact that we have cash to spend start to see that we are not actually going for the best in many cases, but for the "affordable."

 

Nothing wrong in that and I have always believed that our club should live within its means (not sure what those means are now but you get my drift).

 

No doubt NC will eventually get the same treatment as You Know Who if we do not get promoted in the next 2 seasons, but it is interesting that although they seem to be cut from the same cloth, one is currently a hero and one a zero.

 

Stands well back and awaits fireworks.

 

SOG in "dragging up Lowe in yet another thread" shocker

[trousers]

Anyone know what Cortese's business successes were before taking over the helm at SFC? I.e. What companies he was with and what positions he held?

 

All I know is that he was ML's financial advisor in some capacity or other.

 

Genuinely interested out of pure curiosity.

[John B]

Anyone know what Cortese's business successes were before taking over the helm at SFC? I.e. What companies he was with and what positions he held?

 

All I know is that he was ML's financial advisor in some capacity or other.

 

Genuinely interested out of pure curiosity.

 

Me too

 

 

 

The press Release when he was announced says

 

The 40-year-old brings much experience into the role as he spent a decade as the head of the sports and entertainment desks at top Swiss banks, while also playing a role in some transactions to have taken place within European football.

[InvictaSaint]

Really? So we duck out of a deal for a decent proven centre half and sign someone from Exeter who many here slated? Danns or Puncheon or the Scottish fella, which was cheaper? Which one did we sign?

 

 

Leicester and Forest were both interested in Seaborne, both clubs being in a league above ours. Fonts dropped a division, and has looked class. Puncheon was lauded by many on here even before we appeared interested in him. Maybe Danns, Ward and Stock didn't come here, but how many other teams in our division have done any better than us in the window?

[John B]

Leicester and Forest were both interested in Seaborne, both clubs being in a league above ours. Fonts dropped a division, and has looked class. Puncheon was lauded by many on here even before we appeared interested in him. Maybe Danns, Ward and Stock didn't come here, but how many other teams in our division have done any better than us in the window?

 

I dont think there is anything wrong with the signings but that is not the point of the OP he is saying I think that posters attitude towards NC is completely different to RL.

 

If Lowe did some of the things NC did he would be slated for it.

 

I dont see the point of the thread really but as I have nothing better to do I am posting on the forum this afternoon.

 

 

Going into Administration and getting bought out by ML is the best thing that could have happened to the club as with the PLC there was no real chance of us competeting in the Premier League without loads of money.

 

 

Lets face it the only way Pompey became relatively was spending money they did not have at least ML seems to have sufficient for the needs of SFC at the moment

[Greenridge]

Airst of all it is exremely rude to call SOG's post twaddle he is raising an interesting point.

 

 

This is a Forum open to discussion not a forum where NC is right and RL is wrong.

 

Read Wes Tender's post #1.....it somewhat highlights why SOGs OP is baseless and therefore pointless. It's not a question of RL vs NC, it's a question of stating facts rather than trying to massage something to fit an agenda. There are numerous posts on this thread that put SOGs argument to bed. And as has been pointed out by others 'twaddle' is very polite indeed

[John B]

Read Wes Tender's post #1.....it somewhat highlights why SOGs OP is baseless and therefore pointless. It's not a question of RL vs NC, it's a question of stating facts rather than trying to massage something to fit an agenda. There are numerous posts on this thread that put SOGs argument to bed. And as has been pointed out by others 'twaddle' is very polite indeed

 

I agree that the thread is pointless because many posters think they are acting even handedly when perhaps they are not.

[Greenridge]

I agree that the thread is pointless because many posters think they are acting even handedly when perhaps they are not.

 

It's not a pointless thread due to whether or not certain regimes have 'acted even handedly' but because the argument SOG put up was shown to be incorrect. That is the point not whether you are pro RL or NC which is neither here nor there. READ the posts it will become clear.

[John B]

It's not a pointless thread due to whether or not certain regimes have 'acted even handedly' but because the argument SOG put up was shown to be incorrect. That is the point not whether you are pro RL or NC which is neither here nor there. READ the posts it will become clear.

 

I think we are talking at cross purposes but I will read the initial post again.

 

 

I did not think SOG was putting across an argument but asking a question as to how the forum acts towards NC and RL in similar circumstances

 

Suggesting if RL did something like not buying Ward the response would be completely to different to that which greeted Cortese.

 

But putting up the Thread in the first place was pretty pointless as things are going well and what is the point of dragging up Lowe again.

 

 

The club is much better with NC/ML in charge

Edited 3 February, 2010 by John B

[ulstersaint]

I can't believe I just wasted my time reading this guff.

 

Totally agree - what a load of nonsense. I had hoped that continual carping and constant negativity had left this forum and fan base with R***** L*** and his cronies.

[wightman35]

Totally agree - what a load of nonsense. I had hoped that continual carping and constant negativity had left this forum and fan base with R***** L*** and his cronies.

 

Me too.

[CB Saint]

So why can NC get away with certain actions that RL couldn't?

 

Well one chairman took us into administration the other one took us out. NC is going to get (and deserves IMO) one hell of a honeymoon period for that alone.

[John B]

So why can NC get away with certain actions that RL couldn't?

 

Well one chairman took us into administration the other one took us out. NC is going to get (and deserves IMO) one hell of a honeymoon period for that alone.

 

Exactly nothing much to do with logic but mostly to do with emotion.

[Gordon Mockles]

Lights blue touchpaper.......Something to think about.

 

We have recently put in bids for 3 midfielders and chosen the cheapest one. We were recently after two centre halves and pulled out of the bidding for the expensive one when our offer for the cheaper one was accepted.

 

Obviously cost isn't an indicator of whether they will turn out to be the best buys but do you see where this is leading?

 

If a previous CEO (who shall remain nameless) had done this the Board would be in meltdown about penny pinching - not knowing anything about football - not wanting the best players at the club blah blah blah.

 

But Nicola Coretese does it and not a peep.

 

He Who Must Not Be Named fell out with the Echo and it was all down to him. Nicola does it and the Echo are the ones at fault (even though they did nothing wrong in printing a story that was already in the public domain).

 

I hope these players turn out to be a huge success for SFC and only time will tell if the CEO was right to "penny pinch" (but to be honest I still think we are nowhere near the standard of Leeds or Norwich yet) but I have to say that the shadow of financial prudence that was so hated by a former CEO still looms large over the SFC accounts dept and wonder how long it will be before those who are currently creaming their jeans over the fact that we have cash to spend start to see that we are not actually going for the best in many cases, but for the "affordable."

 

Nothing wrong in that and I have always believed that our club should live within its means (not sure what those means are now but you get my drift).

 

No doubt NC will eventually get the same treatment as You Know Who if we do not get promoted in the next 2 seasons, but it is interesting that although they seem to be cut from the same cloth, one is currently a hero and one a zero.

 

Stands well back and awaits fireworks.

 

Ridiculous thread to compare the self serving, incompetent Lowe with the competent businessman that is Cortese. While I don't agree with Cortese's spat with the Echo (although in your mind everyone agrees with Cortese - many do NOT!), Nicola & Markus have done more good in their brief reign than Lowe did in over 10yrs of his destructive tenure.

 

To compare our current CEO (who saved the club, in league with Markus) to the most destructive, meddling, divisive & damaging Chairman in the club's history is nothing short of idiotic!

[Channon's Sideburns]

Put it this way, one individual has all the tools at his disposal to awake a sleeping giant, the other....

 

Is just a tool.

 

You choose which one is which.

[alpine_saint]

Lights blue touchpaper.......Something to think about.

 

We have recently put in bids for 3 midfielders and chosen the cheapest one. We were recently after two centre halves and pulled out of the bidding for the expensive one when our offer for the cheaper one was accepted.

 

Obviously cost isn't an indicator of whether they will turn out to be the best buys but do you see where this is leading?

 

If a previous CEO (who shall remain nameless) had done this the Board would be in meltdown about penny pinching - not knowing anything about football - not wanting the best players at the club blah blah blah.

 

But Nicola Coretese does it and not a peep.

 

He Who Must Not Be Named fell out with the Echo and it was all down to him. Nicola does it and the Echo are the ones at fault (even though they did nothing wrong in printing a story that was already in the public domain).

 

I hope these players turn out to be a huge success for SFC and only time will tell if the CEO was right to "penny pinch" (but to be honest I still think we are nowhere near the standard of Leeds or Norwich yet) but I have to say that the shadow of financial prudence that was so hated by a former CEO still looms large over the SFC accounts dept and wonder how long it will be before those who are currently creaming their jeans over the fact that we have cash to spend start to see that we are not actually going for the best in many cases, but for the "affordable."

 

Nothing wrong in that and I have always believed that our club should live within its means (not sure what those means are now but you get my drift).

 

No doubt NC will eventually get the same treatment as You Know Who if we do not get promoted in the next 2 seasons, but it is interesting that although they seem to be cut from the same cloth, one is currently a hero and one a zero.

 

Stands well back and awaits fireworks.

 

You really cannot let it lie, can you ?

 

You will be banging on about Lowe if NC takes us back to the Premiership and into the Champions League, I reckon.

 

I feel quite sorry for you, SOGGY.

[NickG]

Lights blue touchpaper.......Something to think about.

 

We have recently put in bids for 3 midfielders and chosen the cheapest one. We were recently after two centre halves and pulled out of the bidding for the expensive one when our offer for the cheaper one was accepted.Do you know the prices of the CB? - guess not. Do you remember us signing Fonte, package up to £1.2m - possibly most expensive defender ever for our current league?? Have we done that before.

how many clubs out spent us or signed more players in this window?

 

Obviously cost isn't an indicator of whether they will turn out to be the best buys but do you see where this is leading?

 

If a previous CEO (who shall remain nameless) had done this the Board would be in meltdown about penny pinching - not knowing anything about football - not wanting the best players at the club blah blah blah.

 

But Nicola Coretese does it and not a peep.

 

He Who Must Not Be Named fell out with the Echo and it was all down to him. Nicola does it and the Echo are the ones at fault (even though they did nothing wrong in printing a story that was already in the public domain).what comments has NC made that can be criticised?

 

I hope these players turn out to be a huge success for SFC and only time will tell if the CEO was right to "penny pinch" (but to be honest I still think we are nowhere near the standard of Leeds or Norwich yet) but I have to say that the shadow of financial prudence that was so hated by a former CEO still looms large over the SFC accounts dept and wonder how long it will be before those who are currently creaming their jeans over the fact that we have cash to spend start to see that we are not actually going for the best in many cases, but for the "affordable."

 

Nothing wrong in that and I have always believed that our club should live within its means (not sure what those means are now but you get my drift).

 

No doubt NC will eventually get the same treatment as You Know Who if we do not get promoted in the next 2 seasons, but it is interesting that although they seem to be cut from the same cloth, one is currently a hero and one a zero.

 

Stands well back and awaits fireworks.

 

don't think you even convinced yourself, or maybe just not been keeping up with saints news?

[SFC Forever]

We would not have spent nearly £3million in League One with Lowe in charge.

 

 

Sometimes I feel we are a little unkind.

Lowe would not have spent £3m because he would not have had it.

[Wes Tender]

Sometimes I feel we are a little unkind.

Lowe would not have spent £3m because he would not have had it.

 

And he wouldn't have had it because he would have lost it.

[sadoldgit]

And he wouldn't have had it because he would have lost it.

 

Down the back of the club sofa?

[sadoldgit]

I think we are talking at cross purposes but I will read the initial post again.

 

 

I did not think SOG was putting across an argument but asking a question as to how the forum acts towards NC and RL in similar circumstances

 

Suggesting if RL did something like not buying Ward the response would be completely to different to that which greeted Cortese.

 

But putting up the Thread in the first place was pretty pointless as things are going well and what is the point of dragging up Lowe again.

 

 

The club is much better with NC/ML in charge

 

You are quite right but I don't agree that the thread was pointless. I think there seem to be a lot of parallels between RL and NC and am interested to see how it plays out (apart from the double standards that are rife here and are worth exploring).

 

I agree that the management at the moment (inc AP) are all doing a good job, no problem there, but we examined our previous CEO in fine detail because he wasn't liked, does it mean this one gets an easy ride because currently he is liked?

 

I also find it funny that the usual suspects (talking of whom, congrats on the new arrival Geoff, please tell me you have called him Rupert George Alpine?) have a pop at me when I talk of past employees but they can drag these people's names through the mud as often as they like and that is perfectly ok???

 

Oh, and on that subject, one of your favourite past nemsises Alpine is running the London Marathon this Spring for charitity, not bad for a Scottish drunkard eh?

 

Onwards and upwards!

[SnailOB]

You are quite right but I don't agree that the thread was pointless. I think there seem to be a lot of parallels between RL and NC and am interested to see how it plays out (apart from the double standards that are rife here and are worth exploring).

 

I agree that the management at the moment (inc AP) are all doing a good job, no problem there, but we examined our previous CEO in fine detail because he wasn't liked, does it mean this one gets an easy ride because currently he is liked?

 

I also find it funny that the usual suspects (talking of whom, congrats on the new arrival Geoff, please tell me you have called him Rupert George Alpine?) have a pop at me when I talk of past employees but they can drag these people's names through the mud as often as they like and that is perfectly ok???

 

Oh, and on that subject, one of your favourite past nemsises Alpine is running the London Marathon this Spring for charitity, not bad for a Scottish drunkard eh?

 

Onwards and upwards!

 

Did we really start questioning everything RL did as early in his reign as you are NC ? I know there were a few that came out with the 'hockey' quotes and I know there were concerns about the reverse takeover but as for transfers etc.. really - did we ?

 

Furthermore - two totally different regimes - one was a PLC who didn't put any money in, the other is trusted advisor of actual OWNER.

 

Can we compare like for like and why should we so early ?

 

Apologies but i really can't take your 'reasoned debate' at face value. You have had answers regarding your question of spending / targetted players but haven't debated any of them. All you want to focus on is RL / NC.

 

If i've mis read your comments and you think i've missed some point (as John B seemed to see it !) then once again - apologies.

 

P.S. do we REALLY need to explore the double standards

[John B]

You are quite right but I don't agree that the thread was pointless. I think there seem to be a lot of parallels between RL and NC and am interested to see how it plays out (apart from the double standards that are rife here and are worth exploring).

 

I agree that the management at the moment (inc AP) are all doing a good job, no problem there, but we examined our previous CEO in fine detail because he wasn't liked, does it mean this one gets an easy ride because currently he is liked?

 

I also find it funny that the usual suspects (talking of whom, congrats on the new arrival Geoff, please tell me you have called him Rupert George Alpine?) have a pop at me when I talk of past employees but they can drag these people's names through the mud as often as they like and that is perfectly ok???

 

Oh, and on that subject, one of your favourite past nemsises Alpine is running the London Marathon this Spring for charitity, not bad for a Scottish drunkard eh?

 

Onwards and upwards!

 

 

It is pointless because NC is only just starting out and should be given time

 

and has no baggage perhaps things will be different in ten years time

[oxfordshire_saint]

Lights blue touchpaper.......Something to think about.

 

We have recently put in bids for 3 midfielders and chosen the cheapest one. We were recently after two centre halves and pulled out of the bidding for the expensive one when our offer for the cheaper one was accepted.

 

Obviously cost isn't an indicator of whether they will turn out to be the best buys but do you see where this is leading?

 

If a previous CEO (who shall remain nameless) had done this the Board would be in meltdown about penny pinching - not knowing anything about football - not wanting the best players at the club blah blah blah.

 

But Nicola Coretese does it and not a peep.

 

He Who Must Not Be Named fell out with the Echo and it was all down to him. Nicola does it and the Echo are the ones at fault (even though they did nothing wrong in printing a story that was already in the public domain).

 

I hope these players turn out to be a huge success for SFC and only time will tell if the CEO was right to "penny pinch" (but to be honest I still think we are nowhere near the standard of Leeds or Norwich yet) but I have to say that the shadow of financial prudence that was so hated by a former CEO still looms large over the SFC accounts dept and wonder how long it will be before those who are currently creaming their jeans over the fact that we have cash to spend start to see that we are not actually going for the best in many cases, but for the "affordable."

 

Nothing wrong in that and I have always believed that our club should live within its means (not sure what those means are now but you get my drift).

 

No doubt NC will eventually get the same treatment as You Know Who if we do not get promoted in the next 2 seasons, but it is interesting that although they seem to be cut from the same cloth, one is currently a hero and one a zero.

 

Stands well back and awaits fireworks.

 

The two sets of circumstances within which Cortese and Old Rosy Cheeks have worked in couldn't be more different.

 

If you're telling me that spending the best part of £1m on Rickie and nearly £1.5m on Jose Fonte when we're in League One is penny-pinching then you're either stupid or on the sauce.

 

It depends what you class as large fees anyway, the money we spent on Seaborne, Barnard and Puncheon is still a lot by League One standards.

 

Penny pinching is the amount Lord Duckhunter spent on the team the first season after relegation from the Prem.

[sadoldgit]

Did we really start questioning everything RL did as early in his reign as you are NC ? I know there were a few that came out with the 'hockey' quotes and I know there were concerns about the reverse takeover but as for transfers etc.. really - did we ?

 

Furthermore - two totally different regimes - one was a PLC who didn't put any money in, the other is trusted advisor of actual OWNER.

 

Can we compare like for like and why should we so early ?

 

Apologies but i really can't take your 'reasoned debate' at face value. You have had answers regarding your question of spending / targetted players but haven't debated any of them. All you want to focus on is RL / NC.

 

If i've mis read your comments and you think i've missed some point (as John B seemed to see it !) then once again - apologies.

 

P.S. do we REALLY need to explore the double standards

 

I was on a very old fashioned forum called the Saints List when the Dark Lord first appeared and he was hated straight away because a) of the reverse takeover and b) he wasn't a "football man." The ruddy cheeks, toff, hockey and duck shooting stuff followed in due course.

 

I am sorry that I have not followed the debate closely, after starting this morning I have had a long day at work and have been flitting back and forth whilst making a particularly yummy turkey curry. Have only had a chance to read the last few comments but will go and read everything later as I am keen to know why we bought who we did and didn't buy who we didn't, if you get my drift.

 

I do also see a lot of Rupert in Nicola (is he a football man by the way?) and can't wait to see how his relationship with the cyber fans pans out if we don't get out of this Godforsaken division anytime in the next couple of seasons.

 

Back to the ruby.....

[eelpie]

Lights blue touchpaper.......Something to think about.

 

Stands well back and awaits fireworks.

 

 

The touch paper won't light. It's too soggy.

[sadoldgit]

The two sets of circumstances within which Cortese and Old Rosy Cheeks have worked in couldn't be more different.

 

If you're telling me that spending the best part of £1m on Rickie and nearly £1.5m on Jose Fonte when we're in League One is penny-pinching then you're either stupid or on the sauce.

 

It depends what you class as large fees anyway, the money we spent on Seaborne, Barnard and Puncheon is still a lot by League One standards.

 

Penny pinching is the amount Lord Duckhunter spent on the team the first season after relegation from the Prem.

 

I was talking about being prudent because we seemed to by two cheap players when there were two more established players who would cost more but might have made a bigger inmapct on our season. I did also say that they players we bought could turn out to be great buys, time wil tell (and our best players have often not cost us a lot).

 

I don;t know what went on in the Boardroom at that time, but perhaps Redknapps blowing of £6m and the financil effect of relegation might have had something to do with it? How many teams who get relegated go out and spend millions to try and get back up? Most try and keep their better players and the ones that do do well. We didn't from what I recall.

[sadoldgit]

The touch paper won't light. It's too soggy.

 

Ah, the Alpine school of humour! Nice.

[sadoldgit]

It is pointless because NC is only just starting out and should be given time

 

and has no baggage perhaps things will be different in ten years time

 

10 years? In these days of Instant Success I suspect he will be given this season and up to next Christmas before the knives come out if we are not 1st or 2nd at that point.

[sadoldgit]

Great post(s). Succinct and to the point.

 

Simple fact is Rupes didn't deliver success for the fans. NC is doing this time and time again - all his decisions so far are the right ones. And anyway, he is not the only key player in all this. Markus is providing the resources and AP is delivering the results where it counts - on the pitch. Lowe tried to be everything to everyone and failed spectularly on all counts.

 

What if he said I want Danns and Ward but Nicola gave him Puncheon and Seagrove instead?

 

I know I harp on about this, but for a club the size of SFC, 10 years in the Prem, a Cup Final and European football was a lot more success than many clubs of our size managed. And I don't think that Lowe tried to be anything to anyone. He did what he thought was best, and didn't seem to worry about the fallout if the fans didn't agree.

[CB Fry]

Lowe tried to be everything to everyone and failed spectularly on all counts.

 

 

If there is one thing you can rely on on this forum, it's people just slinging any old accusation at Lowe even if it has no basis in reality whatsoever.

 

So here's someone saying Lowe went out of his way to court popularity and curry favour. Yeah, he always went for the popular option old Rupert, didn't he? Always trying to be everyone's friend, wasn't he?

 

Christ. Slag him off for what he did wrong, there is plenty to go on, so why on earth to people have to make stuff up?

[trousers]

why on earth to people have to make stuff up?

 

isn't that what the Internet was invented for?

[Saint Fan CaM]

If there is one thing you can rely on on this forum, it's people just slinging any old accusation at Lowe even if it has no basis in reality whatsoever.

 

So here's someone saying Lowe went out of his way to court popularity and curry favour. Yeah, he always went for the popular option old Rupert, didn't he? Always trying to be everyone's friend, wasn't he?

 

Christ. Slag him off for what he did wrong, there is plenty to go on, so why on earth to people have to make stuff up?

 

 

You have misinterpreted what I wrote. In context with the opening post, the comparison was to our current set-up and Lowe tried to be everything - i.e. Share-owner, Chairman, Scout, MD, Director of football...the list goes on...but let's face it, as a PLC Chairman, he should not have got so involved with the direct running of the club (remember all HIS ramblings on the OS?). His grasp of how important the supporters and continual improvement of the 1st team was shockingly shallow. Whereas our new regime is stellar by comparison...chalk and cheese shall we say.

[Saint Fan CaM]

What if he said I want Danns and Ward but Nicola gave him Puncheon and Seagrove instead?

 

I know I harp on about this, but for a club the size of SFC, 10 years in the Prem, a Cup Final and European football was a lot more success than many clubs of our size managed. And I don't think that Lowe tried to be anything to anyone. He did what he thought was best, and didn't seem to worry about the fallout if the fans didn't agree.

 

We don't know what kind of shopping list AP gave to NC do we? All I know is that 7 months after being very close to not having a club to support, we now have an owner and CEO who act in the best interests of the club and deliver....for the Manager. The Manager speaks to us about the football and he talks sense. The team look like they give a damn. And there's loads more to be extremely happy with. It is fun watching Saints now and being a part of a club on the rise. As I've said above, the difference between the Lowe regime and the current one is like chalk and cheese in my opinion.

[John Smith]

Some of us have been asked not to mention 'him' and we have done no gloating, no recriminations, all from the past has been dropped as we all move forward together with a clean slate.

 

So, why oh why must we get these Lowe luvvies back on here again, is it a revenge of the nerds type affliction?

 

Two words, Rickie Lambert! Under Lowe, go out and buy the best striker in the League! Not on your life and don't you forget it! Under lowe we would NEVER EVER have a Rickie Lambert. End this debate now, you are embarrassing yourself SOG. There is no comparison here, no devils advocate to play, support the team, support the 'new saints' leave the past, firmly in the past.

[Torrent Of Abuse]

God I love this place sometimes.

 

Last week we were the Man City of League One.

This week we are the skinflints of League One.

Welcome back to the Bi-Polar Saints Support Group.

 

One day we'll all agree about our club: It will be February 7th between 4:00am and 4:01am No-one will be online to share the love, though.

[Fowllyd]

One day we'll all agree about our club: It will be February 7th between 4:00am and 4:01am No-one will be online to share the love, though.

 

Plenty will be now you've mentioned it. They'll all be quarrelling though, and miss the moment...

[NickG]

I heard that Pardew only wanted Seaborne but Cortesse said that he would spend over £1m extra and buy a CB currently playing in CCC, who fans think is great and should play in the prem, has not reached him peak yet.

 

Pardew couldn't believe his luck when Cortesse gave him Fonte!

[Village Saint]

Really? So we duck out of a deal for a decent proven centre half and sign someone from Exeter who many here slated? Danns or Puncheon or the Scottish fella, which was cheaper? Which one did we sign?

 

Decent proven centre-half. Um. I presume you mean Elliott Ward who has certainly proved how far his standards have fallen - 4 appearances so far this season in a very very moderate Championship defence. Not a good buy whereas Fonte in contrast has done nothing to suggest he is anything but a gem.

 

Danns or Puncheon. Not a valid comparison as Puncheon wanted to come whereas Danns didn't want to leave his superstar lifestyle in London. You might as well say Puncheon was cheaper than Kaka. Its true but Kaka was never going to sign for us.

[JackFrost]

What if he said I want Danns and Ward but Nicola gave him Puncheon and Seagrove instead?

 

I know I harp on about this, but for a club the size of SFC, 10 years in the Prem, a Cup Final and European football was a lot more success than many clubs of our size managed. And I don't think that Lowe tried to be anything to anyone. He did what he thought was best, and didn't seem to worry about the fallout if the fans didn't agree.

 

You just can't resist it can you.

 

Lowe is history, sure he did some good things but they were vastly over shadowed by the bad. Lowe may have had and still does have some unfounded and ludicrous accusations/loose class stereotypes thrown at him, but unfortunately Lowe's sheer arrogance, and failure to endear himself to the fans meant that he in part contributed to his own downfall.

 

The double standards that you claim in large don't even exist, one reason why pretty much everyone on here is bashing you is you are trying to compare similar situations that have entirely different circumstances behind them ie our financial and squad situation. In the past your highly flawed attempts at directly comparing Pearson and Burley's managerial reigns with each other are one example of this.

 

Lowe is history, he is gone. We have brand new owners who are now working in a completely different situation to which Lowe did. Please, can the Lowe Luvvies rest in peace.

Edited 4 February, 2010 by JackFrost

[NickG]

what if he said i want danns and ward but nicola gave him puncheon and seagrove instead?

 

I know i harp on about this, but for a club the size of sfc, 10 years in the prem, a cup final and european football was a lot more success than many clubs of our size managed. And i don't think that lowe tried to be anything to anyone. He did what he thought was best, and didn't seem to worry about the fallout if the fans didn't agree.

 

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