Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 what is -8..? When Paul Lambert took over Norwich they had played 3 games (LLD) so had 1 point. Charlton and Leeds had 9. Lambert therefore started on -8 Norwich are now clear at the top 30 points ahead of us. Good going when you consider Lambert had a very similar handicap to AP. Also relevant that Lambert has spent a fraction of what AP has spent (cue folk saying the Norwich squad was already amazing - U's 7 Norwich 1 anyone?) + Lambert had no pre-season. AP had some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 When Paul Lambert took over Norwich they had played 3 games (LLD) so had 1 point. Charlton and Leeds had 9. Lambert therefore started on -8 Norwich are now clear at the top 30 points ahead of us. Good going when you consider Lambert had a very similar handicap to AP. Also relevant that Lambert has spent a fraction of what AP has spent (cue folk saying the Norwich squad was already amazing - U's 7 Norwich 1 anyone?) wow he had no pre season either and has bought in a few players too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 wow he had no pre season either and has bought in a few players too.. I know...... amazing that I/We didnt realise this earlier. I was just about to give ap the benefit of the doubt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 Blah blah, whatever. They still had a good team before he took over. Bryan Gunn was just a clueless chump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 Blah blah, whatever. They still had a good team before he took over. Bryan Gunn was just a clueless chump. good team as in equal to us last season..? unless wotte did a very good job to inflate the ability of the squad..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 You do know Norwich signed around 10 players in the summer don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 good team as in equal to us last season..? unless wotte did a very good job to inflate the ability of the squad..? Yep the same Norwich that were p1ss poor like us last season, were suddenly full of the winning mentality, brimming with confidence and destined for an instant return to CCC. We made the mistake of having a 5 year plan - there plan was just be good straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 You do know Norwich signed around 10 players in the summer don't you? yes....ironic isnt it... new manager, new players, no pre season, top of the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 That is the crux of the matter. They haven't needed to change practically their entire squads as we have. You do know Norwich signed around 10 players in the summer don't you? We are not doing well because we have changed so many players "time to gel bla bla bla" But now they are doing well (very well) because they changed so many players? Im confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 Jens Berthel Askou (Kasımpasa), Goran Maric (Celta Vigo), Rhoys Wiggins (Crystal Palace), Simon Whaley (Preston), Ben Alnwick (Tottenham), Grant Holt (Shrewsbury), Paul McVeigh (Luton), Stephen Hughes (Motherwell), Michael Theoklito (Melbourne Victory), Michael Nelson (Hartlepool), Owain Tudur Jones (Swansea), Matthew Gill (Exeter), Fraser Forster (Newcastle) Bit of a head start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 yes....ironic isnt it... new manager, new players, no pre season, top of the league Where are you getting the no pre season from? Those new players all had time to play together BEFORE the season started. We started bringing our new players in about a week before the season started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 Where are you getting the no pre season from? Those new players all had time to play together BEFORE the season started. We started bringing our new players in about a week before the season started. someone else has said they have kept the same team from last year..? im now lost here...which is it.. to be honest, I just think the excuses are too easy to use for our average league form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 We are not doing well because we have changed so many players "time to gel bla bla bla" But now they are doing well (very well) because they changed so many players? Im confused. He is partly right - they didn't need to change their entire squad with very little time left in pre-season. They had the whole summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 He is partly right - they didn't need to change their entire squad with very little time left in pre-season. They had the whole summer. Yes but Lambert wasnt the manager in the summer - he had no pre-season. & started -8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 someone else has said they have kept the same team from last year..? im now lost here...which is it.. to be honest, I just think the excuses are too easy to use for our average league form No, the REASON (not excuse) for our EARLY poor league form was that around 85% of our pre-season was wasted because we had no idea what our future held. Surely you must be able to see that the team AND results have improved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 Yes but Lambert wasnt the manager in the summer - he had no pre-season. & started -8 We are not talking about the managers, we are talking about the players. But obviously that doesn't fit in with the point you are trying to make about Pardew not being up to the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 No, the REASON (not excuse) for our EARLY poor league form was that around 85% of our pre-season was wasted because we had no idea what our future held. Surely you must be able to see that the team AND results have improved? they have but not by enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 No, the REASON (not excuse) for our EARLY poor league form was that around 85% of our pre-season was wasted because we had no idea what our future held. Surely you must be able to see that the team AND results have improved? AP had more pre-season prep time than Lambert did @ Norwich. Loads more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 We are not talking about the managers, we are talking about the players. But obviously that doesn't fit in with the point you are trying to make about Pardew not being up to the job. 11 wins in 27 - its not me saying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 they have but not by enough You mean enough to get in the play-offs? Well unfortunately to do that we would have needed title winning form. Pre-january we had some major weaknesses in our side, so we were never going to have that kind of form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 AP had more pre-season prep time than Lambert did @ Norwich. Loads more But we are not talking about the managers, how many times do I need to say it. The players at Norwich knew each other. The players at Southampton didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 11 wins in 27 - its not me saying it. Yes, but since our team has been gelling we have been in fantastic form. What was it - 18 in 25 or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 But we are not talking about the managers, how many times do I need to say it. The players at Norwich knew each other. The players at Southampton didn't. did they..? In: Micheal Theoklitis (free, Melbourne Victory), Owain Tudur-Jones (undisclosed, Swansea City), Micheal Nelson (free, Hartlepool United), Matthew Gill (free, Exeter City), Stephen Hughes (free, Motherwell), Ben Alnwick (loan, Tottenham Hotspur), Grant Holt (undisclosed, Shrewsbury Town), Rhoys Wiggins (undisclosed, Crystal Palace), Simon Whaley (undislcosed, Preston North End), Jens Berthel Askou (free, Unattatched), Goran Maric (free, Celta Vigo), Fraser Forster (loan, Newcastle United) no gelling time..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 did they..? In: Micheal Theoklitis (free, Melbourne Victory), Owain Tudur-Jones (undisclosed, Swansea City), Micheal Nelson (free, Hartlepool United), Matthew Gill (free, Exeter City), Stephen Hughes (free, Motherwell), Ben Alnwick (loan, Tottenham Hotspur), Grant Holt (undisclosed, Shrewsbury Town), Rhoys Wiggins (undisclosed, Crystal Palace), Simon Whaley (undislcosed, Preston North End), Jens Berthel Askou (free, Unattatched), Goran Maric (free, Celta Vigo), Fraser Forster (loan, Newcastle United) no gelling time..? Jesus, are you even reading what i'm saying? Norwich brought those players in over the whole of the summer. We brought our players in over the last couple of weeks of the summer, and the first few weeks of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 You mean enough to get in the play-offs? Well unfortunately to do that we would have needed title winning form. Pre-january we had some major weaknesses in our side, so we were never going to have that kind of form. Yep good point I do agree with that. We did have a few weaknesses, we would have got away with it too if it wasnt for every team in L1 being amazing. Damn the L1 teams and all there superstars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 Jesus, are you even reading what i'm saying? Norwich brought those players in over the whole of the summer. We brought our players in over the last couple of weeks of the summer, and the first few weeks of the season. how long does it take for players to gel..? 6 games..10 games..? 10 games seems to be a magic number for some reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 Jesus, are you even reading what i'm saying? Norwich brought those players in over the whole of the summer. We brought our players in over the last couple of weeks of the summer, and the first few weeks of the season. So you're saying AP got to choose his players, while Lambert had to work with what he was given? Are you Paul Lambert? If not why are you kissing his ass so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 Yep good point I do agree with that. We did have a few weaknesses, we would have got away with it too if it wasnt for every team in L1 being amazing. Damn the L1 teams and all there superstars. You don't have to be amazing to exploit weaknesses - just clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 But we are not talking about the managers, how many times do I need to say it. The players at Norwich knew each other. The players at Southampton didn't. Well not all of them anyway, although our for our first game of the season we had only 2 new players on the match sheet. To me,and I'm sorry to keep on harping on about this,our biggest mistake was to start with Perry and Thomas at the back and to rely on the nucleus of strikers that couldn't score a goal against a tyro league side last season.When you have "international strikers" at your disposal you expect them to score in League 1, AP fell into this trap.Mind you if he'd scanned a few of last seasons match reaction threads he'd have been immediately much wiser about it.Also the crass substitutions at Huddersfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 You know what, you're both right. Let's get Pardew out right now. I've started work on the banner already. Jesus, WTF do you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 You don't have to be amazing to exploit weaknesses - just clever. So we were weak and not clever - why didnt/don't we exploit other teams weaknesses? EVERY team in L1 has them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 3 people have this opinon, think you need to accept a mixture of Delldays opinion and his trolling. Not heard anyone at the games saying Pardew is underperforming - just two or three on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 You know what, you're both right. Let's get Pardew out right now. I've started work on the banner already. Jesus, WTF do you want? Who said we want AP out? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 Who said we want AP out? :confused: Well you either think he's good enough or you don't. Make your mind up. As I said a few days ago - stop f*cking tip toeing around the matter making insinuations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red&White Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 With the wrong players and a manager who couldn't train runner ferking beans! Hardly the same is it. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 3 people have this opinon, think you need to accept a mixture of Delldays opinion and his trolling. Not heard anyone at the games saying Pardew is underperforming - just two or three on here just agreeing with our manager in that we should be winning more than we are....and that our quality has not come through of late do you think pardew is a troll...? pardew wants to e good now..not rubbish now and good in 3 years time... the club, the manager, the chairman want instant success....you and a few others seem to be scared of it and have a pop at those who demand it.. strange that my views are far closer to pardew than yours appear to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 I'm sure Pardew wouldn't say that the progress we made was unacceptable though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 3 people have this opinon, think you need to accept a mixture of Delldays opinion and his trolling. Not heard anyone at the games saying Pardew is underperforming - just two or three on here He's not underperforming now, but he did at the start of the season. I'm sure that it was made aware to him.I heard (and only heard,have no evidence mind you) that after the defeat against Bristol Rovers there was a major set to between the management and the coaching staff.Arses were kicked very hard apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 I'm sure Pardew wouldn't say that the progress we made was unacceptable though. and I dont think anyone on here is.. no one wants pardew out...stop pretending people do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red&White Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 Yep good point I do agree with that. We did have a few weaknesses, we would have got away with it too if it wasnt for every team in L1 being amazing. Damn the L1 teams and all there superstars. Christ mate you are a ferkin wilf ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 I'm sure Pardew wouldn't say that the progress we made was unacceptable though. He wont be jumping for joy with stats like 11 wins in 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 not seen him posting cr*p on here or making up quotes. We need to win more than the last couple of weeks to get to play offs, prior to last few weeks the performance was good enough. As soon as we lose or draw one game you can always say we need to win more. If we keep averaging over two points a game he will have done well - with the cups as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 Christ mate you are a ferkin wilf ! Wife I would like to ****? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 not seen him posting cr*p on here or making up quotes. We need to win more than the last couple of weeks to get to play offs, prior to last few weeks the performance was good enough. As soon as we lose or draw one game you can always say we need to win more. If we keep averaging over two points a game he will have done well - with the cups as well. nick...my comments are far closer to pardews than yours..does tha annoy you..? yet you call me a troll...I am only agreeing with OUR manager ffs... I dont want him out just want US to win more...is that so hard to accept..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 He wont be jumping for joy with stats like 11 wins in 27 I'm sure he'll be happy with 18 in 25 and 7 straight wins at SMS though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 He's not underperforming now, but he did at the start of the season. I'm sure that it was made aware to him.I heard (and only heard,have no evidence mind you) that after the defeat against Bristol Rovers there was a major set to between the management and the coaching staff.Arses were kicked very hard apparently. the game that was 3 weeks after we first appointed a coach? Don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 I'm sure he'll be happy with 18 in 25 and 7 straight wins at SMS though. True - he wont count the 1st 10 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 He's not underperforming now, but he did at the start of the season. I'm sure that it was made aware to him.I heard (and only heard,have no evidence mind you) that after the defeat against Bristol Rovers there was a major set to between the management and the coaching staff.Arses were kicked very hard apparently. agreed. Doing just fine. Lets move on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 the game that was 3 weeks after we first appointed a coach? Don't think so. Lambert was appointed manager of Norwich 3 days before his team beat Wycombe 5-2. Probably not relevant thou? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 am a criticing Lambert? he is doing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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