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Glasgow_Saint

Glasgow_Saint

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what is -8..?

 

When Paul Lambert took over Norwich they had played 3 games (LLD) so had 1 point. Charlton and Leeds had 9.

 

Lambert therefore started on -8

 

Norwich are now clear at the top 30 points ahead of us.

 

Good going when you consider Lambert had a very similar handicap to AP.

 

Also relevant that Lambert has spent a fraction of what AP has spent (cue folk saying the Norwich squad was already amazing - U's 7 Norwich 1 anyone?)

 

+ Lambert had no pre-season. AP had some

Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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When Paul Lambert took over Norwich they had played 3 games (LLD) so had 1 point. Charlton and Leeds had 9.

 

Lambert therefore started on -8

 

Norwich are now clear at the top 30 points ahead of us.

 

Good going when you consider Lambert had a very similar handicap to AP.

 

Also relevant that Lambert has spent a fraction of what AP has spent (cue folk saying the Norwich squad was already amazing - U's 7 Norwich 1 anyone?)

 

 

wow

 

he had no pre season either and has bought in a few players too..

Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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Blah blah, whatever. They still had a good team before he took over. Bryan Gunn was just a clueless chump.

good team as in equal to us last season..?

unless wotte did a very good job to inflate the ability of the squad..?

Glasgow_Saint

Glasgow_Saint

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good team as in equal to us last season..?

unless wotte did a very good job to inflate the ability of the squad..?

 

Yep the same Norwich that were p1ss poor like us last season, were suddenly full of the winning mentality, brimming with confidence and destined for an instant return to CCC.

 

We made the mistake of having a 5 year plan - there plan was just be good straight away.

Glasgow_Saint

Glasgow_Saint

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That is the crux of the matter. They haven't needed to change practically their entire squads as we have.

 

You do know Norwich signed around 10 players in the summer don't you?

 

We are not doing well because we have changed so many players "time to gel bla bla bla"

 

But now they are doing well (very well) because they changed so many players?

 

Im confused.

NickG

NickG

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Jens Berthel Askou (Kasımpasa), Goran Maric (Celta Vigo), Rhoys Wiggins (Crystal Palace), Simon Whaley (Preston), Ben Alnwick (Tottenham), Grant Holt (Shrewsbury), Paul McVeigh (Luton), Stephen Hughes (Motherwell), Michael Theoklito (Melbourne Victory), Michael Nelson (Hartlepool), Owain Tudur Jones (Swansea), Matthew Gill (Exeter), Fraser Forster (Newcastle)

 

 

Bit of a head start!

Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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yes....ironic isnt it...

 

new manager, new players, no pre season, top of the league

 

Where are you getting the no pre season from? Those new players all had time to play together BEFORE the season started.

We started bringing our new players in about a week before the season started.

Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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Where are you getting the no pre season from? Those new players all had time to play together BEFORE the season started.

We started bringing our new players in about a week before the season started.

someone else has said they have kept the same team from last year..?

 

im now lost here...which is it..

 

to be honest, I just think the excuses are too easy to use for our average league form

Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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We are not doing well because we have changed so many players "time to gel bla bla bla"

 

But now they are doing well (very well) because they changed so many players?

 

Im confused.

 

He is partly right - they didn't need to change their entire squad with very little time left in pre-season. They had the whole summer.

Glasgow_Saint

Glasgow_Saint

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He is partly right - they didn't need to change their entire squad with very little time left in pre-season. They had the whole summer.

 

Yes but Lambert wasnt the manager in the summer - he had no pre-season.

 

& started -8

Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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someone else has said they have kept the same team from last year..?

 

im now lost here...which is it..

 

to be honest, I just think the excuses are too easy to use for our average league form

 

No, the REASON (not excuse) for our EARLY poor league form was that around 85% of our pre-season was wasted because we had no idea what our future held.

Surely you must be able to see that the team AND results have improved?

Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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Yes but Lambert wasnt the manager in the summer - he had no pre-season.

 

& started -8

 

We are not talking about the managers, we are talking about the players.

But obviously that doesn't fit in with the point you are trying to make about Pardew not being up to the job.

Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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No, the REASON (not excuse) for our EARLY poor league form was that around 85% of our pre-season was wasted because we had no idea what our future held.

Surely you must be able to see that the team AND results have improved?

they have

 

but not by enough

Glasgow_Saint

Glasgow_Saint

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No, the REASON (not excuse) for our EARLY poor league form was that around 85% of our pre-season was wasted because we had no idea what our future held.

Surely you must be able to see that the team AND results have improved?

 

AP had more pre-season prep time than Lambert did @ Norwich. Loads more

Glasgow_Saint

Glasgow_Saint

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We are not talking about the managers, we are talking about the players.

But obviously that doesn't fit in with the point you are trying to make about Pardew not being up to the job.

 

11 wins in 27 - its not me saying it.

Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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they have

 

but not by enough

 

You mean enough to get in the play-offs? Well unfortunately to do that we would have needed title winning form. Pre-january we had some major weaknesses in our side, so we were never going to have that kind of form.

Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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AP had more pre-season prep time than Lambert did @ Norwich. Loads more

 

But we are not talking about the managers, how many times do I need to say it.

The players at Norwich knew each other.

The players at Southampton didn't.

Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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But we are not talking about the managers, how many times do I need to say it.

The players at Norwich knew each other.

The players at Southampton didn't.

did they..?

 

In: Micheal Theoklitis (free, Melbourne Victory), Owain Tudur-Jones (undisclosed, Swansea City), Micheal Nelson (free, Hartlepool United), Matthew Gill (free, Exeter City), Stephen Hughes (free, Motherwell), Ben Alnwick (loan, Tottenham Hotspur), Grant Holt (undisclosed, Shrewsbury Town), Rhoys Wiggins (undisclosed, Crystal Palace), Simon Whaley (undislcosed, Preston North End), Jens Berthel Askou (free, Unattatched), Goran Maric (free, Celta Vigo), Fraser Forster (loan, Newcastle United)

 

 

no gelling time..?

 

Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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did they..?

 

In: Micheal Theoklitis (free, Melbourne Victory), Owain Tudur-Jones (undisclosed, Swansea City), Micheal Nelson (free, Hartlepool United), Matthew Gill (free, Exeter City), Stephen Hughes (free, Motherwell), Ben Alnwick (loan, Tottenham Hotspur), Grant Holt (undisclosed, Shrewsbury Town), Rhoys Wiggins (undisclosed, Crystal Palace), Simon Whaley (undislcosed, Preston North End), Jens Berthel Askou (free, Unattatched), Goran Maric (free, Celta Vigo), Fraser Forster (loan, Newcastle United)

 

 

no gelling time..?

 

 

Jesus, are you even reading what i'm saying?

Norwich brought those players in over the whole of the summer.

We brought our players in over the last couple of weeks of the summer, and the first few weeks of the season.

Glasgow_Saint

Glasgow_Saint

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You mean enough to get in the play-offs? Well unfortunately to do that we would have needed title winning form. Pre-january we had some major weaknesses in our side, so we were never going to have that kind of form.

 

Yep good point I do agree with that. We did have a few weaknesses, we would have got away with it too if it wasnt for every team in L1 being amazing.

 

Damn the L1 teams and all there superstars.

Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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Jesus, are you even reading what i'm saying?

Norwich brought those players in over the whole of the summer.

We brought our players in over the last couple of weeks of the summer, and the first few weeks of the season.

how long does it take for players to gel..?

 

6 games..10 games..?

 

10 games seems to be a magic number for some reason

Glasgow_Saint

Glasgow_Saint

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Jesus, are you even reading what i'm saying?

Norwich brought those players in over the whole of the summer.

We brought our players in over the last couple of weeks of the summer, and the first few weeks of the season.

 

So you're saying AP got to choose his players, while Lambert had to work with what he was given?

 

Are you Paul Lambert? If not why are you kissing his ass so much?

Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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Yep good point I do agree with that. We did have a few weaknesses, we would have got away with it too if it wasnt for every team in L1 being amazing.

 

Damn the L1 teams and all there superstars.

 

You don't have to be amazing to exploit weaknesses - just clever.

Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

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But we are not talking about the managers, how many times do I need to say it.

The players at Norwich knew each other.

The players at Southampton didn't.

 

Well not all of them anyway, although our for our first game of the season

we had only 2 new players on the match sheet.

 

To me,and I'm sorry to keep on harping on about this,our biggest mistake was to start with Perry and Thomas at the back and to rely on the nucleus of strikers that couldn't score a goal against a tyro league side last season.When you have "international strikers" at your disposal you expect them to score in League 1, AP fell into this trap.Mind you if he'd scanned a few of last seasons match reaction threads he'd have been immediately much wiser about it.Also the crass substitutions at Huddersfield.

NickG

NickG

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3 people have this opinon, think you need to accept a mixture of Delldays opinion and his trolling.

 

Not heard anyone at the games saying Pardew is underperforming - just two or three on here

Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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Who said we want AP out? :confused:

 

Well you either think he's good enough or you don't. Make your mind up.

As I said a few days ago - stop f*cking tip toeing around the matter making insinuations.

Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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3 people have this opinon, think you need to accept a mixture of Delldays opinion and his trolling.

 

Not heard anyone at the games saying Pardew is underperforming - just two or three on here

just agreeing with our manager in that we should be winning more than we are....and that our quality has not come through of late

 

do you think pardew is a troll...?

 

pardew wants to e good now..not rubbish now and good in 3 years time...

 

the club, the manager, the chairman want instant success....you and a few others seem to be scared of it and have a pop at those who demand it..

 

strange that my views are far closer to pardew than yours appear to be

Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

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3 people have this opinon, think you need to accept a mixture of Delldays opinion and his trolling.

 

Not heard anyone at the games saying Pardew is underperforming - just two or three on here

 

He's not underperforming now, but he did at the start of the season. I'm sure that it was made aware to him.I heard (and only heard,have no evidence mind you) that after the defeat against Bristol Rovers there was a major set to between the management and the coaching staff.Arses were kicked very hard apparently.

Red&White

Red&White

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Yep good point I do agree with that. We did have a few weaknesses, we would have got away with it too if it wasnt for every team in L1 being amazing.

 

Damn the L1 teams and all there superstars.

 

Christ mate you are a ferkin wilf !

NickG

NickG

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not seen him posting cr*p on here or making up quotes.

 

We need to win more than the last couple of weeks to get to play offs, prior to last few weeks the performance was good enough.

 

As soon as we lose or draw one game you can always say we need to win more.

 

If we keep averaging over two points a game he will have done well - with the cups as well.

Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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not seen him posting cr*p on here or making up quotes.

 

We need to win more than the last couple of weeks to get to play offs, prior to last few weeks the performance was good enough.

 

As soon as we lose or draw one game you can always say we need to win more.

 

If we keep averaging over two points a game he will have done well - with the cups as well.

nick...my comments are far closer to pardews than yours..does tha annoy you..?

 

yet you call me a troll...I am only agreeing with OUR manager ffs...

 

I dont want him out just want US to win more...is that so hard to accept..?

NickG

NickG

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He's not underperforming now, but he did at the start of the season. I'm sure that it was made aware to him.I heard (and only heard,have no evidence mind you) that after the defeat against Bristol Rovers there was a major set to between the management and the coaching staff.Arses were kicked very hard apparently.

 

the game that was 3 weeks after we first appointed a coach? Don't think so.

NickG

NickG

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He's not underperforming now, but he did at the start of the season. I'm sure that it was made aware to him.I heard (and only heard,have no evidence mind you) that after the defeat against Bristol Rovers there was a major set to between the management and the coaching staff.Arses were kicked very hard apparently.

 

agreed. Doing just fine. Lets move on!

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