How many players should we off load now or in the summer?

[doddisalegend]

With the news that we might of signed another player today, do you think the club will start off loading some of the dead wood soon?

 

Our squad is huge and there are lots of players who are either old, injury prone or just not good enough. We don't seem to be shifting much out this tranfer window ( although Saga has gone) so come the summer it must be time for AP to be brutal and get rid of the dead wood.

 

I'd like to see a first team squad of 24 with two decent players in each postion. But which players should go? and who should stay? interested in peoples thoughts.

[Thedelldays]

Perry

wotton

molly

Poolis

olly

4-cast

 

how does pards get rid of dead wood if no one wants them..?

 

I wonder who is out of contract this summer that we wont renew..?

waigo..?

[SuperMikey]

FFS, has Skacel signed yet?

[ottery st mary]

Reserves did not do so well against those ruffy tuff Guz boyzz...could be a few more added to a long list of Dear Johns.....

[Windmill Arm 2]

reserves did not do so well against those ruffy tuff guz boyzz...could be a few more added to a long list of dear johns.....

 

green armeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

[ottery st mary]

green armeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

 

That advert makes me laugh......:p:p:p

[S-Clarke]

Forecast

Molly

Pulis

Lancashire

Gillett

White

Gobern

 

could all do with moving on and having a fresh start IMO.

[krissyboy31]

Forecast

Molly

Pulis

Lancashire

Gillett

White

Gobern

 

could all do with moving on and having a fresh start IMO.

 

I'd keep Gobern, reckon he'll be a decent player but agree on the rest.

[Arizona]

Pulis, Molyneux, Forecast, Perry, Wotton and probably Gillett and Lancashire. Semi is only on a sixth month contract, so it depends whether he can impress.

[Deanovski]

pulis surely

[Matthew Le God]

Including the academy, Saints have 58 players. Which is a HUGE amount for a League One side. Would be large in the Premiership. Staplewood must be very crowded for training each day.

 

A Summer clear-out is definitely needed!

 

1. Fonte, Jose

2. Lambert, Rickie

3. Lee Barnard

4. Lallana, Adam

5. Papa Waigo

6. Hammond, Dean

7. Connolly, David

8. Schneiderlin, Morgan

9. Jaïdi, Radhi

10. Davis, Kelvin

11. Harding, Dan

12. Otsemobor, Jon

13. Murty, Graeme

14. James, Lloyd

15. Gillett, Simon

16. Thomson, Jake

17. Perry, Chris

18. Holmes, Lee

19. Thomas, Wayne

20. Bialkowski, Bartosz

21. Wotton, Paul

22. Mclaggon, Kayne

23. Antonio, Michail

24. Lancashire, Oliver

25. Poke, Michael

26. Mills, Joseph

27. Gobern, Oscar

28. Seaborne, Danny

29. Forecast, Tommy

30. Pulis, Anthony

31. White, Jamie

32. Molyneux, Lee

33. Boyle, Jack

34. Martin, Aaron

35. Pernecky, Andrej

36. McNish, Callum

37. Racine, Aarran

38. Saville, Jack

39. Garrod, Tony

40. Tafazolli, Ryan

41. Argent, Sam

42. Doble, Ryan

43. Dunford, Tom

44. Harper, Ciaran

45. Keegan, Jordan

46. Mclean, Daryl

47. Preen, Garyn

48. Reeves, Ben

49. Dovey, Jack

50. Foot, Lloyd

51. Holder-Spooner, Jordace

52. Hoskins, Sam

53. Isgrove, Lloyd

54. Martin, Ben

55. Nicholas, Lee

56. Oxlade-Chamberlain, Alex

57. Robinson, Andy

58. Scott, Bobby

Edited 28 January, 2010 by Matthew Le God

[doddisalegend]

Perry

 

how does pards get rid of dead wood if no one wants them..?

 

 

Release them I suppose pay up their contracts and get rid, some will find new clubs although probably not Pulis:cool:.

[Saint_clark]

13. Murty, Graeme

15. Gillett, Simon

17. Perry, Chris

18. Holmes, Lee

21. Wotton, Paul

24. Lancashire, Oliver

25. Poke, Michael

27. Gobern, Oscar

29. Forecast, Tommy

30. Pulis, Anthony

32. Molyneux, Lee

33. Boyle, Jack

34. Martin, Aaron

38. Saville, Jack

 

Get rid of that lot IMO.

Didn't count the youth team players as they aren't first team squad.

[Arizona]

Perry

wotton

molly

Poolis

olly

4-cast

 

how does pards get rid of dead wood if no one wants them..?

 

I wonder who is out of contract this summer that we wont renew..?

waigo..?

 

Someone will take them off our hands on a free, even if it means paying a portion of their wages for the remainder of the time left on their contracts.

 

Pulis is out of contract anyway, as is Perry. Lowe decided Forecast needed a five year deal unfortunately, when everyone else knew we didn't need him at all. C'est la vie.

[John D]

13. Murty, Graeme

15. Gillett, Simon

17. Perry, Chris

18. Holmes, Lee

21. Wotton, Paul

24. Lancashire, Oliver

25. Poke, Michael

27. Gobern, Oscar

29. Forecast, Tommy

30. Pulis, Anthony

32. Molyneux, Lee

33. Boyle, Jack

34. Martin, Aaron

38. Saville, Jack

 

Get rid of that lot IMO.

Didn't count the youth team players as they aren't first team squad.

 

Have you even seen martin play? Didn't we only sign him a few months ago? I'd also keep holmes if and its a big if he can stay fit. Otherwise agree with you

[Saint_clark]

Have you even seen martin play? Didn't we only sign him a few months ago? I'd also keep holmes if and its a big if he can stay fit. Otherwise agree with you

 

No, but Lancashire has been picked ahead of him recently.

And Holmes' ability seems to have increased since he got injured in some peoples eyes. I don't think he's that great. Certainly not good enough for where we want to be.

[SNSUN]

13. Murty, Graeme

15. Gillett, Simon

17. Perry, Chris

18. Holmes, Lee

21. Wotton, Paul

24. Lancashire, Oliver

25. Poke, Michael

27. Gobern, Oscar

29. Forecast, Tommy

30. Pulis, Anthony

32. Molyneux, Lee

33. Boyle, Jack

34. Martin, Aaron

38. Saville, Jack

 

Get rid of that lot IMO.

Didn't count the youth team players as they aren't first team squad.

 

I'd keep Poke for another season IMO, losing Forecast and Poke could find us scratching around for keepers next season. Gobern could potentially have a future with us, and Holmes seems currently back in favour, but I agree with the rest. I'd be suprised if Perry and Wotton were kept on next season even if they don't retire, for that matter will Jaidi have another season?

[Saint_clark]

I'd keep Poke for another season IMO, losing Forecast and Poke could find us scratching around for keepers next season. Gobern could potentially have a future with us, and Holmes seems currently back in favour, but I agree with the rest. I'd be suprised if Perry and Wotton were kept on next season even if they don't retire, for that matter will Jaidi have another season?

 

I meant to take Gobern off the list. I like Poke but I think Davis and Bart are better than him, and we have Pernecky who is still only 19 as our third keeper.

Edited 28 January, 2010 by Saint_clark

[Gordon Mockles]

FFS, has Skacel signed yet?

 

Is that suppose to be funny? I know it was a forum "in joke" & you mean well (& I'll come across as grumpy) but it was never that funny. Certainly not after the 65th time, after the over-rated money grabber drew every last pound he could before slumping back to the never regions of European Football...or wherever he went! No offence!

[Saint_clark]

Is that suppose to be funny? I know it was a forum "in joke" & you mean well (& I'll come across as grumpy) but it was never that funny. Certainly not after the 65th time, after the over-rated money grabber drew every last pound he could before slumping back to the never regions of European Football...or wherever he went! No offence!

 

I take it we didn't sign him then?

[Panda]

I saw on the Echo site a list of seventeen players who are out of contract or their loans end in May. There will be mass exodus that will leave those we have recently brought in on permanent deals.

 

I don't know why we all so worried about this. ML/NC/AP will worry about it if it needs to be worried about. However I am sure they will have a pretty clear picture of how much it will cost to sustain the current playing staff through to the end of the season and whether that presents a problem or not.

 

The only people that need to worry are the seventeen who will be released, the prospects on the job market for them at the moment are not good. There are very few clubs buying and a lot needing to sell. Very few are likely to walk straight in to new clubs.

[Huntingdon]

Including the academy, Saints have 59 players. Which is a HUGE amount for a League One side. Would be large in the Premiership. Staplewood must be very crowded for training each day.

 

A Summer clear-out is definitely needed!

 

39. Garrod, Tony

 

Do you know how Garrod is progressing?

 

The reason I ask you is because on FM2009 he became a really good player

 

[saints_is_the_south]

Otsemobor, Jon

Gillett, Simon

Thomson, Jake

Perry, Chris

Thomas, Wayne

Wotton, Paul

Mclaggon, Kayne

Lancashire, Oliver

Poke, Michael

Forecast, Tommy

Pulis, Anthony

White, Jamie

Molyneux, Lee

Boyle, Jack

 

IMO.

[Minsk]

Including the academy, Saints have 59 players. Which is a HUGE amount for a League One side. Would be large in the Premiership. Staplewood must be very crowded for training each day.

 

A Summer clear-out is definitely needed!

 

1. Fonte, Jose

2. Lambert, Rickie

3. Lee Barnard

4. Lallana, Adam

5. Papa Waigo

6. Hammond, Dean

7. Connolly, David

8. Schneiderlin, Morgan

9. Jaïdi, Radhi

10. Davis, Kelvin

11. Harding, Dan

12. Otsemobor, Jon

13. Murty, Graeme

14. James, Lloyd

15. Gillett, Simon

16. Thomson, Jake

17. Perry, Chris

18. Holmes, Lee

19. Thomas, Wayne

20. Bialkowski, Bartosz

21. Wotton, Paul

22. Mclaggon, Kayne

23. Antonio, Michail

24. Lancashire, Oliver

25. Poke, Michael

26. Mills, Joseph

27. Gobern, Oscar

28. Seaborne, Danny

29. Forecast, Tommy

30. Pulis, Anthony

31. White, Jamie

32. Molyneux, Lee

33. Boyle, Jack

34. Martin, Aaron

35. Pernecky, Andrej

36. McNish, Callum

37. Racine, Aarran

38. Saville, Jack

39. Garrod, Tony

40. Tafazolli, Ryan

41. Argent, Sam

42. Doble, Ryan

43. Dunford, Tom

44. Harper, Ciaran

45. Keegan, Jordan

46. Mclean, Daryl

47. Preen, Garyn

48. Reeves, Ben

49. Tafazolli, Ryan

50. Dovey, Jack

51. Foot, Lloyd

52. Holder-Spooner, Jordace

53. Hoskins, Sam

54. Isgrove, Lloyd

55. Martin, Ben

56. Nicholas, Lee

57. Oxlade-Chamberlain, Alex

58. Robinson, Andy

59. Scott, Bobby

 

We've got two players on our books called Ryan Tafazolli? I could understand it they were both called something like John Smith but very strange with such an unusual name.

 

Also, I don't think we can really count the academy guys. There is a set amount of academy players which wouldn't change no matter how many other players were on our books.

[Minsk]

No, but Lancashire has been picked ahead of him recently.

And Holmes' ability seems to have increased since he got injured in some peoples eyes. I don't think he's that great. Certainly not good enough for where we want to be.

 

I believe you will find that Lancashire was on the bench ahead of Martin because the latter was cup-tied.

 

There is no way AP will off-load a CB in the summer who he has only just signed. That is something reserved for the other end of the M27.

[Bucks Saint]

I saw on the Echo site a list of seventeen players who are out of contract or their loans end in May. There will be mass exodus that will leave those we have recently brought in on permanent deals.

 

I don't know why we all so worried about this. ML/NC/AP will worry about it if it needs to be worried about. However I am sure they will have a pretty clear picture of how much it will cost to sustain the current playing staff through to the end of the season and whether that presents a problem or not.

 

The only people that need to worry are the seventeen who will be released, the prospects on the job market for them at the moment are not good. There are very few clubs buying and a lot needing to sell. Very few are likely to walk straight in to new clubs.

 

Agreed. We will need plenty more new, better, players for the assault on the Championship table

[alpine_saint]

13. Murty, Graeme

15. Gillett, Simon

17. Perry, Chris

18. Holmes, Lee

21. Wotton, Paul

24. Lancashire, Oliver

25. Poke, Michael

27. Gobern, Oscar

29. Forecast, Tommy

30. Pulis, Anthony

32. Molyneux, Lee

33. Boyle, Jack

34. Martin, Aaron

38. Saville, Jack

 

Get rid of that lot IMO.

Didn't count the youth team players as they aren't first team squad.

 

Agree with all but highlighted.

[VectisSaint]

how does pards get rid of dead wood if no one wants them..?

Thats simple. Pay up their contract and make them free agents. It may cost but it means he doesn't have to include them in training which I understand is AP's primary concern. Given that some of our deadwood did not even make the ressies last night I would imaging this is what is happening.

[Thedelldays]

Thats simple. Pay up their contract and make them free agents. It may cost but it means he doesn't have to include them in training which I understand is AP's primary concern. Given that some of our deadwood did not even make the ressies last night I would imaging this is what is happening.

why not do that now..?

[Arizona]

why not do that now..?

 

What's the point. If you're going to be paying them, might aswell have them in the squad.

[Thedelldays]

What's the point. If you're going to be paying them, might aswell have them in the squad.

or pay up their contract..as suggested..?

[saint_stevo]

Gillett, Simon

Thomson, Jake

Perry, Chris

Holmes, Lee

Wotton, Paul

Mclaggon, Kayne

Antonio, Michail

Lancashire, Oliver

Poke, Michael

Forecast, Tommy

Pulis, Anthony

White, Jamie

Molyneux, Lee

 

 

See you late

[jam]

What's the point. If you're going to be paying them, might aswell have them in the squad.

 

Pardew sees having surplus players hanging around the training ground as disruptive.

[Arizona]

Pardew sees having surplus players hanging around the training ground as disruptive.

 

How do you know that?

 

or pay up their contract..as suggested..?

 

Then you end up paying them exactly the same amount of money, the difference being you cannot call upon them for cover.

[Matthew Le God]

How do you know that?

 

 

Pardew has said so in interviews on Saints player. Doesn't take a genius to work out have large numbers of professionals not playing will dampen moral. Also harder to train such a large number.

 

Then you end up paying them exactly the same amount of money, the difference being you cannot call upon them for cover.

 

When you mutually agree to pay up a players contract it is very often for less than the value of the wages as the player can have a fresh start and find a club that will pay him for the same period. So it would save Saints a little money.

[david in sweden]

 

Otsemobor, Jon - just arrived as cover for Murty, and only here till May

(do you condemn playesr after ONE GAME ?)

Gillett, Simon - is he STILL here? (soon to Donnie)

Thomson, Jake - good junior, but no place for him in the present set-up.

Perry, Chris - excellent as cover - if he isn't out of contract keep him 1 yr.

Thomas, Wayne -ditto - unless wants a move to get regular games

Wotton, Paul -ditto - -ditto-

Mclaggon, Kayne injured just now - good prospect and still young

Lancashire, Oliver - agreed

Poke, Michael should stay - if Forecast were to go

Forecast, Tommy - agreed

Pulis, Anthony - agreed

White, Jamie great scorer as a junior - twice injured - no match practice

Molyneux, Lee who knows?.... no-one's seen him play!

Boyle, Jack watched a lot before being signed - must give him a chance

 

IMO.

 

I agree that some of the others seem surplus to requirements but you can't just axe people because they are not getting regular games. There aren't so many Reserve games in this league and so the seniors don't get match practice, but are good to have as cover.

The U18's may be good at that level but look what happened when we put out half a team of teenagers v. Plymouths reserves :smt088

[Arizona]

Pardew has said so in interviews on Saints player. Doesn't take a genius to work out have large numbers of professionals not playing will dampen moral. Also harder to train such a large number.

 

 

 

When you mutually agree to pay up a players contract it is very often for less than the value of the wages as the player can have a fresh start and find a club that will pay him for the same period. So it would save Saints a little money.

 

You can only terminate by mutual consent if both parties agree. With players like Molly and Pulis, I doubt they would get a better deal elsewhere and would probably be happier staying put. Also, I'd say there were quite a few players likely to be leaving in summer, but most of whom I'd say are still willing to play if called upon. I would like rid of Wotton for example, but we might as well hang on to him for now for when Hammond and Morgan are unavailable.

[suspect everyone]

One aspect I'm a little worried about is that this continued infulx of players bears a resemblance to some of the criticisms that came out of Pardew's reign at Charlton.

 

Now I am fully behind Pardew and think he is doing a pretty good job in his first season. I also accept that sometimes, for whatever reason, managers just dont work out at a club, as with Pardew at Charlton, but this doesnt mean he can't go on to have a good career at Saints as long as he learns from his mistakes.

 

However the feedback from Charlton fans when we appointed him was that during his reign he brought in a vast number of players, at great expense, without any clear strategy or logic. It seems to me there is whiff of that happening at the moment here with our squad. Examples

 

Ostemeboor - no better than what we already have

Seaborne - see above

Waigo - sparingly used

Barnard - looks to be a good signing, but we already have a number of forwards on the books, not to mention others such as Antonio and Lallana who can also play up front. Couple this with Pardew's favoured formation of 4-5-1, you can see Barnard on the bench in the future

 

Now we're being linked with Puncheon, a winger. Where exactly will he fit in our current sqaud?

 

Perhaps I'm being overreactive, but when Lambert, Connolly, Jaidi etc were brought in there were obvious holes to fill in our squad. I get the feeling that Pardew is not just buying for the sake of it, leaving us with a bloated squad.

[david in sweden]

One aspect I'm a little worried about is that this continued infulx of players bears a resemblance to some of the criticisms that came out of Pardew's reign at Charlton.

 

Now I am fully behind Pardew and think he is doing a pretty good job in his first season. I also accept that sometimes, for whatever reason, managers just dont work out at a club, as with Pardew at Charlton, but this doesnt mean he can't go on to have a good career at Saints as long as he learns from his mistakes.

 

However the feedback from Charlton fans when we appointed him was that during his reign he brought in a vast number of players, at great expense, without any clear strategy or logic. It seems to me there is whiff of that happening at the moment here with our squad. Examples

 

Ostemeboor - no better than what we already have

Seaborne - see above

Waigo - sparingly used

Barnard - looks to be a good signing, but we already have a number of forwards on the books, not to mention others such as Antonio and Lallana who can also play up front. Couple this with Pardew's favoured formation of 4-5-1, you can see Barnard on the bench in the future

 

Now we're being linked with Puncheon, a winger. Where exactly will he fit in our current sqaud?

 

Perhaps I'm being overreactive, but when Lambert, Connolly, Jaidi etc were brought in there were obvious holes to fill in our squad. I get the feeling that Pardew is not just buying for the sake of it, leaving us with a bloated squad.

 

but only until May.

If (it) works then we'll have bought the right players... if it doesn't they'll be some sort of big clear out. Right now having spare bodies around is useful, I don't think we'll have any more midfielders left if we get another injury.

Edited 28 January, 2010 by david in sweden

[forestroad saint]

off load wotton and bring prutton back

[Matthew Le God]

off load wotton and bring prutton back

 

Prutton went to Colchester about a week ago.

[Saint_lambden]

I would keep Perry on in a player/coaching role so he only played if we were really short at the back.

 

IMO he would be ideal to go into coaching.

[rooney]

It is in the Players own interests to find another club if AP has told them they will not feature in his plans. The reason being is if they sit tight and just take the money, there will be loads of players coming onto the market at the end of the season, and thus, they may never find another club when their contracts expire.

[david in sweden]

I would keep Perry on in a player/coaching role so he only played if we were really short at the back.

 

IMO he would be ideal to go into coaching.

 

eventually yes, but i'm not prepared to write him off yet.

 

If he did go I'm sure an L1/ L2 side would take him for another year,

he has good skills and he's not that slow either.

I bet he's enjoying these cup games

[Window Cleaner]

Prutton went to Colchester about a week ago.

 

And scored for them in midweek. We could have used him but I suspect that our league position disserved us yet again.

[Avenue Saint]

Forecast

Lancashire

pulis

mollyneux

wotton

[suewhistle]

However the feedback from Charlton fans when we appointed him was that during his reign he brought in a vast number of players, at great expense, without any clear strategy or logic.

 

Possibly, although I feel that now at Saints the higher management will be asking those good but awkward questions good managers have the knack of asking as to why we are signing particular players. As Pulis and Forecast prove we haven't had that recently...

 

The various length of the contracts new players are signing seems to suggest there is now an element of slightly longer term manpower planning going on.