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The9

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ill educated? really.....?

 

Its my opinion. Never said he doesnt have potential, but he needs a lot of work on his final ball and decision making before he should be a starter IMO

 

Bored of this now anyway.....onto Puncheon

 

Oi, actually that's MY opinion, you stole it from me in response to you says he was "sho1te" on Facebook! ;)

 

And yeah, he's 24, shocking isn't it?

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Chez

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I suspect you will be proved right here,and I also feel we will regret Patterson's departure in a couple of seasons.
I rate Gobern on a similar level. He is an athlete and given time to develop he will be a good player.

 

I don't like seeing young players leave. I know many fall by the wayside, but these two seem to have been cut with a lack of long term vision. I'm told on here that AP knows best, but all managers make mistakes and this might be one.

 

We are told we are looking to stand on our own two feet, we're spending money on these facilities and youth academy to bring players through, but all we seem to be doing is spending money, blocking routes to the first team and giving away prospects. Paterson was ideal reserve for Lambert. Young and hungry, low wages and willing to wait for his chance. He competed well in the CCC yet we let him go for nothing. I suspect Gobern will go for nothing as well.

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Would be a shame to see Gobern go - rate him over Paterson. Still remember how he changed the game up at Preston where we came from 2 down to win 3-2. He was played on the left that day but looks good in a CM role - tidy in possession and athletic in getting box-to-box.

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Would be a shame to see Gobern go - rate him over Paterson. Still remember how he changed the game up at Preston where we came from 2 down to win 3-2. He was played on the left that day but looks good in a CM role - tidy in possession and athletic in getting box-to-box.

 

Probably on Loan like Puncheon was

 

The article did say send not sell

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Apparently we are offering 6k a week. I would be shocked if that was actually the case. Even with our rich owner we will have a salary cap? We may offer increase upon promotion but surely not 6k for league 1?

 

http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/argyle/Puncheon-set-163-300-000-Saints-switch/article-1773410-detail/article.html

 

Explain this salary cap when lambert and fonte are both on 10-12k? By player rating, age?, ability? ..............lol

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Red Alert

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This is League 1 remember.

 

I would guess that £4k a week is closer than £10-12k.

 

Non-League Telford United were paying Lee Mills £2k a week in the conference. So its not unreasonable to think that Rickie was on £5k at brizzle, I would be surprised if he wasn't on £8-10k here. Also, I imagine Thomas is still on quite a hefty wedge too.

 

Anyway imo Puncheon would be a decent signing but I have to say I would prefer we could get a straight Wotton replacement in.

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Sky Sports now reporting that Jason Puncheon move now in doubt. Saints are now trying to sign Neil Danns from Palace instead.

 

Good.On no account do I expect us to be buggered about by a no marks club such as MK.If we want to sign Puncheon from Plymouth we can do so in the summer.

 

Danns is probably the more combatitive type of player that we need. Although I'd still prefer Stock.

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Clifford Nelson

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One of the problems is the bunching in the middle leading to an inablity to do anything else but belt it up front. Wotton is the worst because he does it without looking.

 

We need to play two wide like Utd did last night and it doesnt matter if we play two or three in the middle as we can pass it out to them, then we can get break outs from midfield. I've got the history book by the way. The variations are interesting.

 

I found it highly interesting how we arrived here tactically from the early days of 2-3-5. It's also interesting how we, at so many stages of development internationally, have doggedly been holding on to whatever we had at the time, thinking it was the "correct" way to play football. An up to date echo of that is Merrington's beliefs on Solent, which he clearly shares with many others both professionals and fans.

 

What brings progress is the opportunity to counter the oppositions attacking system and upsetting their ways of defending. This is where I'm struggling with the thought of hanging on to a straight forward 4-4-2. All opposition knows how to play it and how to defend against it, and even though we often have the better players we are brought down to the oppositions level of game, and then struggle either to score or to hang on to a lead.

 

I am not sure that AP is a tactical master, even though he appears to be a good motivator with a usually good nous for players to recruit. When it comes to tactics he hasn't, at least yet, designed a way to play which caters to our strengths and upsets the opposition.

 

That's where Puncheon comes in: Was signing a left winger the priority ahead of getting hold of a playmaking replacement for Wotton?

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This whole business of MK Dons preventing Saints from signing Puncheon is complete ******** by the way. I've checked and the Football League rules are quite clear...

 

48.2.4 The period of a Long Term Loan shall expire no earlier than the end of the Season in

which the Long Term Loan takes place and a Player signed on such a transfer must

complete the loan period and may not be recalled by his original Club at any time

during that loan period save:

a when the Player is recalled and transferred permanently to another Club; and

b in the case of a goalkeeper whose agreement may contain a recall clause which

may only be implemented in exceptional circumstances with the consent

of the Executive

 

Puncheon is on a long term loan to MK Dons and he has to see out that loan unless the conditions of either a) or b) are met. In this case, the conditions of sub-section a) will be met. Therefore, as long as Plymouth want to recall him to sell him, they can, and MK Dons can do nothing about it.

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Saints67

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This whole business of MK Dons preventing Saints from signing Puncheon is complete ******** by the way. I've checked and the Football League rules are quite clear...

 

48.2.4 The period of a Long Term Loan shall expire no earlier than the end of the Season in

which the Long Term Loan takes place and a Player signed on such a transfer must

complete the loan period and may not be recalled by his original Club at any time

during that loan period save:

a when the Player is recalled and transferred permanently to another Club; and

b in the case of a goalkeeper whose agreement may contain a recall clause which

may only be implemented in exceptional circumstances with the consent

of the Executive

 

Puncheon is on a long term loan to MK Dons and he has to see out that loan unless the conditions of either a) or b) are met. In this case, the conditions of sub-section a) will be met. Therefore, as long as Plymouth want to recall him to sell him, they can, and MK Dons can do nothing about it.

Unless MK Dons are making him an offer too and NC has decided that's too much messing about and is looking at Danns. Could have a similar situation to the Ward 'deal'. Maybe we'll have Ince spouting off (or that other warped mouthpiece his 2-i-c) about how naughty we've been regarding the Puncheon sale.

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Ivan Katalinic's 'tache

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Unless MK Dons are making him an offer too and NC has decided that's too much messing about and is looking at Danns. Could have a similar situation to the Ward 'deal'. Maybe we'll have Ince spouting off (or that other warped mouthpiece his 2-i-c) about how naughty we've been regarding the Puncheon sale.

 

Or there's a pre-existing contractual agreement with MKD, as part of the loan, to turn the deal permanent and that's what needs to be waived by the Dons.

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Or there's a pre-existing contractual agreement with MKD' date=' as part of the loan, to turn the deal permanent and that's what needs to be waived by the Dons.[/quote'] Ok that's two scenarios (1) MK Dons are making him an offer (2) There's a pre-existing contractual agreement with MKD (3) They are in a bidding war with...........okay there are 3 scenarios :)
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