Cortese fights back

[Wes Tender]

The did not save the club if there was the possibility of the club being bought by someone else.

 

Thats all they just bought the club you and others may think they saved the club

 

Please refer to the anlogy of the drowning man and explain what the difference is between him and us. Others might have saved us, but they did.

[John B]

Please refer to the anlogy of the drowning man and explain what the difference is between him and us. Others might have saved us, but they did.

 

Please refer to my earlier post

 

but on the original topic

 

"I can confirm there was an approach from a top Italian team, not just now, that happened a few months back," NC said.

 

So why mention it now on Solent?

 

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28012010/63/cortese-sticking-saints.html

Edited 28 January, 2010 by John B

[saintbletch]

I don't disagree with anything you say here and it's fair comment.

 

But the reason that this is all being debated is because of the souring of relations between Cortese and Murray of the Echo. So in the interests of balance, where you've expressed your opinions about Cortese, it would also be interesting to know your thoughts on the way that Murray has behaved. Because IMO he has been petty, vindictive and childish. Not good traits in an Editor of a local rag, eh? It takes two to tango, so Cortese's recent actions must be balanced against the background of possible provocation from Murray, something that we might not have all the facts for, any more than we know the background for the departure of Oldknow.

 

Because Cortese's relationships with Oldknow and Murray have not been convivial it might infer that he is a difficult man to get on with, or it could be that he doesn't suffer fools gladly. Personally, I don't care much either way, so long as his relationship with ML continues to prosper and that ML remains content to be our owner. Like you, I'd much prefer to look at the bigger picture of what he does to affect our success as a club rather than concentrate on the petty bickering.

 

I hoped I was careful not to lay the blame at anyone's door for the falling out. I just think its foolish to have allowed the situation to develop/escalate. The Echo is equally foolish for allowing it to perpetuate and whilst what I read of the original situation makes NC look pretty petty, from what I've seen since the Echo has stooped pretty low in its attempts to "punish" NC for his actions.

 

I think bucktootim might have a point when he pointed out the highly secretive banking background that NC has. Perhaps we've got to wait until he starts to loosen up, accept a bit of scrutiny/criticism and start to understand the way things are done.

 

I haven't tracked the story as closely as some on here, but perhaps you can fill me in. Is the Echo banned until further notice, or has some condition been placed upon its entry to St. Mary's and access to the club?

[John B]

I hoped I was careful not to lay the blame at anyone's door for the falling out. I just think its foolish to have allowed the situation to develop/escalate. The Echo is equally foolish for allowing it to perpetuate and whilst what I read of the original situation makes NC look pretty petty, from what I've seen since the Echo has stooped pretty low in its attempts to "punish" NC for his actions.

 

I think bucktootim might have a point when he pointed out the highly secretive banking background that NC has. Perhaps we've got to wait until he starts to loosen up, accept a bit of scrutiny/criticism and start to understand the way things are done.

 

I haven't tracked the story as closely as some on here, but perhaps you can fill me in. Is the Echo banned until further notice, or has some condition been placed upon its entry to St. Mary's and access to the club?

 

According to the only information the Echo has been banned but there does not seem to be a full and proper reason available.

 

The Echo dont appear to know exactly why they have been banned

[shurlock]

A couple of points but first I feel the need to put my position on NC straight because as ever on this forum people like to deal in only polarised views and are keen to ignore any grey bits in the middle. You're either pro-NC or you hate him. Well I'd classify myself as overwhelmingly pro-NC, but with an open mind and a few concerns.

 

I am very impressed by NC so far. He's brought Markus in, he's secured Markus' agreement to invest in the management team, the squad and the training ground. I fail to see what more he could have done to put a smile on my face relating to all things SFC. I feel lucky that we found him/he found us. I hope that's clear.

 

But you asked where the evidence was for some people on here to be questioning some of NC's actions/motives. I'd cite 3-4 pieces of information that have just made me think "Hmm that doesn't fit with my picture of him". And obviously being a completely balanced individual, that in turn has made me question whether the information is right. But here goes.

 

1) The Ward transfer rumoured to have been cancelled at the eleventh hour because the news got into the public domain. Making Saints look a little unprofessional and being slated by current players and managers (all with vested interests by the way).

 

2) NC's spat with the Echo. Forgetting the rights and wrongs of this, the principle of falling out with your local paper doesn't fit well with me. It seems petty and pointless and will only serve to remove a swath of fans and potential fans from the information flow.

 

3) The hiring and then (presumably) firing of Andy Oldknow. Mixed one here because I've read a lot of negative things about AO. But it struck me as a little poor judgement to hire this guy and then fire him after only few short months.

 

4) This self-congratulatory piece on the OS yesterday. All probably valid points, and perhaps this is just me, but my initial reaction was "me, me, me.".

 

Taken together I could quite easily say that NC is a man of principle who knows his own value and acts decisively when things need to be done. But I could also see a egotistical control freak.

 

Balancing this against everything else I've seen of the man, I'd say that I'm worrying unduly but as I've said I've filed them away just in case.

 

Am not a million miles apart from you - its early days, so strong conclusions are unjustified.

 

My attitude is that NC has set the bar high for the club, indeed intimating that the sky’s the limit. The 5 year plan is not some piece of empty rhetoric spun by tirekickers and fantasists but is a genuine yardstick by which we will judge him. How he deals with success will be just as important as his ability to respond to setbacks. Like everyone else, I'll be watching him very closely.

 

What cannot be denied is that this a fantastic target, especially since we’ve been used to aiming low.

 

What matters most is what happens on the pitch and while I’ve been one of the first to grumble about recent performances, I can also see that the groundwork is being laid for the future, everything from recruiting a lower-league managerial who’s who for a backroom staff through a state-of-the-art training ground to attracting established CCC players to drop a division. People initially worried that the new regime wouldn’t spend any money; now people are worrying we are spending too much! I trust that this is part of the 5-year plan and been properly accounted for – so yes I’m willing to give NC the benefit of the doubt.

 

The points you raise are independent of an to this – and if you want to deal with them its quite easy to put across the other side: thus we do not fully know why the Ward deal fell through –because of the media leak, because Seaborne was our first choice or because Ward was carrying an injury – of course the other side is going to cry blue murder – the most important thing is that he gets the best for; we’ve spoken to death about the Echo; the jury’s out on Oldknow - perhaps he was a necessary evil –like you, ive heard a lot of negative things about hime- he was useful to help find the bodies and provide some initial continuity but that’s it.

 

Finally his piece on the OS was bound to be a little self-referential – after all, he was responding to personal criticism “Nicola who?”– for me the tone was a tad defensive and earnest (maybe due to his straightlaced swiss banker background), but I attribute this to an eagerness to calm anxieties –expressed on here- that he might bugg*r off. Odd that for an alleged narcissist, he’s been pretty keen to stay out of the limelight.

 

But as i;ve said in another post, they're essentially storms in a teacup. Granted NIC driven and will ruffle a few feathers – some will find it uncomfortable sometimes with justification but sometimes not because they’re just another vested interest that's grown fat at our expence. He’ll make mistakes but hopefully these will lessen over time as he acclimatises to the environment. His desire to bring in a DoF suggests that he is self-aware, that he’s happy to defer to experts and was an acknowledgment he has a lot of learning to do.

 

As I say, what bothers is the madman tendency of some on here to join the dot and infer from them that something more sinister is afoot. If there’s evidence, reveal it. I’m all ears. Otherwise stop preying on peoples fears - they're raw enough.

Edited 28 January, 2010 by shurlock

[landford.saint]

According to the only information the Echo has been banned but there does not seem to be a full and proper reason available.

 

The Echo dont appear to know exactly why they have been banned

 

From what I understand . T.D.E. were asked to ( and had agreed) to hang fire on the announcement of the money investment into staplewood (they would receive some sort of exclusive in return)... T.D.E. decided for whatever reason to renage on this 'gentlemans agreement' and splashed it all over the paper. NC is known for not suffering fools lightly, and so banned them.

[John B]

From what I understand . T.D.E. were asked to ( and had agreed) to hang fire on the announcement of the money investment into staplewood (they would receive some sort of exclusive in return)... T.D.E. decided for whatever reason to renage on this 'gentlemans agreement' and splashed it all over the paper. NC is known for not suffering fools lightly, and so banned them.

 

Not according to the Echo

 

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Sport/Football/League+One/Southampton

[Wes Tender]

I hoped I was careful not to lay the blame at anyone's door for the falling out. I just think its foolish to have allowed the situation to develop/escalate. The Echo is equally foolish for allowing it to perpetuate and whilst what I read of the original situation makes NC look pretty petty, from what I've seen since the Echo has stooped pretty low in its attempts to "punish" NC for his actions.

 

I think bucktootim might have a point when he pointed out the highly secretive banking background that NC has. Perhaps we've got to wait until he starts to loosen up, accept a bit of scrutiny/criticism and start to understand the way things are done.

 

I haven't tracked the story as closely as some on here, but perhaps you can fill me in. Is the Echo banned until further notice, or has some condition been placed upon its entry to St. Mary's and access to the club?

 

Again Bletch, fair comment. But if Cortese isn't savvy as to how "things are done" because of his more secretive banking background, then it is up to the Echo or anybody else indeed who wishes to do business with him to try and understand that. If Cortese wishes to do business with others, then he must be the flexible one with an understanding of the way things are done with his potential contact.

 

I'm not sure whether anybody on here has the actual concise position as to whether the Echo is banned temporarily or whether conditions are attached. Seemingly it will last until either Murray makes it up with Cortese, or the thing just fades away naturally over time.

 

It wouldn't surprise me though that Murray is ordered by the Newspaper Group's chief Executive to try and mend fences, as he has undoubtedly been appraised of the situation by many on here and will realise that circulation figures can only take a knock unless the Echo makes it up with the club. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the situation, Cortese is under no such obligation to make the first move as arguably the club has nothing to lose by it, having numerous other media outlets available to it.

[John B]

Again Bletch, fair comment. But if Cortese isn't savvy as to how "things are done" because of his more secretive banking background, then it is up to the Echo or anybody else indeed who wishes to do business with him to try and understand that. If Cortese wishes to do business with others, then he must be the flexible one with an understanding of the way things are done with his potential contact.

 

I'm not sure whether anybody on here has the actual concise position as to whether the Echo is banned temporarily or whether conditions are attached. Seemingly it will last until either Murray makes it up with Cortese, or the thing just fades away naturally over time.

 

It wouldn't surprise me though that Murray is ordered by the Newspaper Group's chief Executive to try and mend fences, as he has undoubtedly been appraised of the situation by many on here and will realise that circulation figures can only take a knock unless the Echo makes it up with the club. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the situation, Cortese is under no such obligation to make the first move as arguably the club has nothing to lose by it, having numerous other media outlets available to it.

 

The club is beginning to lose as more and more people question NC's motives.

 

They should just sort out the problem

 

 

Are you certain that this spat is causing circulation figures to drop ?

Edited 28 January, 2010 by John B

[buctootim]

Ultimately both the club and the paper have more to gain by having a close co-operative relationship based on trust than being at each others throats. Assuming that trust can be regained, they should kiss and make up asap.

[Wes Tender]

The club is beginning to lose as more and more people question NC's motives.

 

They should just sort out the problem

 

 

Are you certain that this spat is causing circulation figures to drop ?

 

What is the club losing? Credibility? Maybe, although most are quite happy with how things are. The Echo's credibility has arguably taken the much bigger hit, although I'm sure that many would argue that it didn't have much credibility to lose in the first place.

 

I'm guessing that the Echo circulation figures will decrease as a result of this, but consider it a reasonable enough assumption to make, as a large enough percentage of its readership is comprised of those who buy it to read about the Club. If it turns out to be true that the circulation figures do in fact fall at the moment, it is going to be difficult for Murray to blame the fall on other factors, so he might be placing an extra burden on his shoulders through this.

[John B]

What is the club losing? Credibility? Maybe, although most are quite happy with how things are. The Echo's credibility has arguably taken the much bigger hit, although I'm sure that many would argue that it didn't have much credibility to lose in the first place.

 

I'm guessing that the Echo circulation figures will decrease as a result of this, but consider it a reasonable enough assumption to make, as a large enough percentage of its readership is comprised of those who buy it to read about the Club. If it turns out to be true that the circulation figures do in fact fall at the moment, it is going to be difficult for Murray to blame the fall on other factors, so he might be placing an extra burden on his shoulders through this.

 

I still dont understand why the Echo's Credibility has taken a hit.

 

 

They are just reporting interesting stories I would have thought.

 

 

NC mentioned on Solent that he had been approached by an Italian Club which I think was very interesting it is now on a number of sites that it happened sometime ago .

[miserableoldgit]

What is the club losing? Credibility? Maybe, although most are quite happy with how things are. The Echo's credibility has arguably taken the much bigger hit, although I'm sure that many would argue that it didn't have much credibility to lose in the first place.

 

I'm guessing that the Echo circulation figures will decrease as a result of this, but consider it a reasonable enough assumption to make, as a large enough percentage of its readership is comprised of those who buy it to read about the Club. If it turns out to be true that the circulation figures do in fact fall at the moment, it is going to be difficult for Murray to blame the fall on other factors, so he might be placing an extra burden on his shoulders through this.

Their figures are dropping because it is a waste of money. I read the Echo for over 50 years, and in more recent years I only bought it to read about Saints. It is now full of classifieds, adverts and amateur journalism. I stopped having it about a year ago and I don`t miss it one bit. I think that Ian Murray has inflated ideas of the Echo`s "importance".

[Gingeletiss]

The club is beginning to lose as more and more people question NC's motives.

 

They should just sort out the problem

 

 

Are you certain that this spat is causing circulation figures to drop ?

 

Are you certain that you're a Saints fan....FFS, say something positive for a change. All you ever do is criticise the club, the team, the manager, and now the Chairman.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

Looks like the beginning of the end of our dream. Why deny if no interest? why have they lost interest so soon? many reasons as follows:-

 

1 Arse

2 Arse

3 Arse

4 Arse

5 Arse

6 More Arse

 

Take your Emirates ticket out of your Arse and stuff it in your mouth, like Sol you too were yearning for Arse so why not go onto their web site, think that nutbag ottery has your stamp !

[ottery st mary]

Take your Emirates ticket out of your Arse and stuff it in your mouth, like Sol you too were yearning for Arse so why not go onto their web site, think that nutbag ottery has your stamp !

 

Cheers matey...such luv for yours truly......Do I remember you from an adjoining ward at Knowle in the past..:smt054

[Fowllyd]

I still dont understand why the Echo's Credibility has taken a hit.

 

 

They are just reporting interesting stories I would have thought.

 

 

NC mentioned on Solent that he had been approached by an Italian Club which I think was very interesting it is now on a number of sites that it happened sometime ago .

 

Er, no he didn't. Solent mentioned it, quite independently of Cortese.

 

Beyond that, the Echo piece which prompted another thread on here (the one titled "Nicola who?") was not simply reporting an interesting story. It was a clear, deliberate effore to belittle Cortese.

[John B]

Er, no he didn't. Solent mentioned it, quite independently of Cortese.

 

Beyond that, the Echo piece which prompted another thread on here (the one titled "Nicola who?") was not simply reporting an interesting story. It was a clear, deliberate effore to belittle Cortese.

 

They may well of been trying to put Cortese in a bad light because they may have thought that that Cortese was making more of what had happened.

 

 

He may well have been approached by AC Milan but I find it hard to believe that he was invited on to their board fulltime after such a short time at SFC.

 

 

Cortese now says it happened some months ago

 

 

Of course I dont know any of the facts that is why I find it interesting.

[Lymsaint]

Are you certain that you're a Saints fan....FFS, say something positive for a change. All you ever do is criticise the club, the team, the manager, and now the Chairman.

 

+1 he's been doing for years!!

[John B]

+1 he's been doing for years!!

 

Like most of the posters on here I would have thought

 

 

If you do not agree with what I say perhaps you can put forward alternative points.

 

 

So what is it that you do not me saying?

[John B]

Are you certain that you're a Saints fan....FFS, say something positive for a change. All you ever do is criticise the club, the team, the manager, and now the Chairman.

 

I dont think I am being overtly critical just putting forward views which you dont agree with.

 

But the team is going to finish this season in the worst position it has been in the Fifty or so years I have been watching them

Edited 28 January, 2010 by John B

[up and away]

Originally Posted by Wes Tender

Please refer to the anlogy of the drowning man and explain what the difference is between him and us. Others might have saved us, but they did.

Please refer to my earlier post

 

but on the original topic

 

"I can confirm there was an approach from a top Italian team, not just now, that happened a few months back," NC said.

 

So why mention it now on Solent?

 

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28012010/63/cortese-sticking-saints.html

 

I really cannot understand your position here? Solent broached the question with Cortese about an approach from an Italian team, not the other way round. Now if you have any regard for your position or the fans and these rumours are in the public domain, you don't think it would be best to reassure fans? I certainly think that was by far the best action to take because this was not speculative rumour but actual fact.

 

As for Liebherr not saving Saints, you have to be off your trolley to adopt that line. As one of your stand in saviours is none other than Cherrypip, the equivalent to a turd floating in Langstone harbour as an aid to a drowning man. Then look at the other monkeys purporting to save Saints, just realigning the debt until another day and a delayed the frying pan to fire scenario. Not only did Liebherr save us, he took that to such a level it would be the equivalent to taking drowning man and transforming him into Michael Phelps. Just as any Pompey supporter can say X saved their club. in reality it just looks a postponement now.

[miserableoldgit]

They may well of been trying to put Cortese in a bad light because they may have thought that that Cortese was making more of what had happened.

 

 

He may well have been approached by AC Milan but I find it hard to believe that he was invited on to their board fulltime after such a short time at SFC.

 

 

Cortese now says it happened some months ago

 

 

Of course I dont know any of the facts that is why I find it interesting.[/QUOTE]

 

How can you have a valid point of view if you don`t know any of the facts??

 

I dont think I am being overtly critical just putting forward views which you dont agree with.

 

But the team is going to finish this season in the worst position it has been in the Fifty or so years I have been watching them

So what is the basis for your "views"? Certainly not any facts or knowledge apparently. I am old enough to remember Saints in the old Third Division (South). I guess you started watching them after this time then.

[John B]

They may well of been trying to put Cortese in a bad light because they may have thought that that Cortese was making more of what had happened.

 

 

He may well have been approached by AC Milan but I find it hard to believe that he was invited on to their board fulltime after such a short time at SFC.

 

 

Cortese now says it happened some months ago

 

 

Of course I dont know any of the facts that is why I find it interesting.[/QUOTE]

 

 

Knowing

How can you have a valid point of view if you don`t know any of the facts??

 

 

So what is the basis for your "views"? Certainly not any facts or knowledge apparently. I am old enough to remember Saints in the old Third Division (South). I guess you started watching them after this time then.

 

Myfamily moved away from Southampton in 1950 and my brother and I started taking an interest in the Saints in the late fifties.

 

 

We move back to Southampton in 1962 and we have been watching them ever since.

 

 

Seen some great games and good players in that time.

 

 

 

Best Games

 

 

Saints v Nottm Forest at the Dell FA CUP Replay 1963

 

Saints v Nottm Forest at the White Hart Lane FA CUP Replay 1963

 

Best two results

 

Saints v Leyton Orient away 1966

 

 

Saints v Manchester United FA Cup Final 1976 still the best day of my life

 

Best Player

 

Terry Paine

 

With Regard to NC and Italy just feel that the whole thing seems unlikely but I dont know

Edited 28 January, 2010 by John B

[trousers]

Haven't had time to read the entire thread so apologies for any duplication in my observation...

 

The 'problem' with someone of Cortese's calibre and business acumen is that he is always going to be head hunted and he's only got where he has today (to coin a phrase) by moving from company to company from board room to board room on a fairly regular basis.

 

These high flyers simply don't hang around longer than they need to to progress their careers.

 

The irony is the quicker Cortese achieves success here the quicker his exit will be....so a potential end game we're looking at here is Cortese gets us into the Premiership in record time, he then leaves with a tasty bonus and Markus follows suit having achieved his goal.

 

I guess 'what happens next' after that will depend on who Markus sells up to....

 

Anyway, all that's too far in the future....let's enjoy the ride while it lasts....

[saintbletch]

Again Bletch, fair comment. But if Cortese isn't savvy as to how "things are done" because of his more secretive banking background, then it is up to the Echo or anybody else indeed who wishes to do business with him to try and understand that. If Cortese wishes to do business with others, then he must be the flexible one with an understanding of the way things are done with his potential contact.

 

I'm not sure whether anybody on here has the actual concise position as to whether the Echo is banned temporarily or whether conditions are attached. Seemingly it will last until either Murray makes it up with Cortese, or the thing just fades away naturally over time.

 

It wouldn't surprise me though that Murray is ordered by the Newspaper Group's chief Executive to try and mend fences, as he has undoubtedly been appraised of the situation by many on here and will realise that circulation figures can only take a knock unless the Echo makes it up with the club. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the situation, Cortese is under no such obligation to make the first move as arguably the club has nothing to lose by it, having numerous other media outlets available to it.

 

Makes sense. But to my mind there's being right and being in the right. The two are not necessarily the same thing in this instance.

 

I asked about whether there were conditions on the Echo because if NC's banning them was to attempt to achieve some particular end then I guess I'd have more respect, or at least understanding for his continued position.

 

If he'd said "until the Echo does XYZ" then they're barred from the club, then it might make some sense.

 

It could be, as I mentioned previously that it is a commercial strategy to marginalise the Echo for the commercial good of the club. i.e. he's looking to cut the Echo out because we have plans to make the OS the font or all knowledge, rumour, gossip and inuendo and by driving more traffic to the OS we'll eventually make more money. I have to ask myself this, do I hit F5 on the Echo site all day everyday during the January window. Or do I wait for my Twitter client to tell me that offialsaints has been updated?

 

Could it be that this is simply posturing to ensure that future skirmishes are avoided and Saints are more likely to be able to rely on the Echo's help to keep unhelpful news stories quiet?

 

Perhaps the echo already has a story about NC that he wants kept quiet? Perhaps it was the AC Milan story that he wanted hushed?

 

But if this is just a blanket ban on a matter of principle then I think they should both see sense and put it behind them. And as you say I would expect pressure from the Echo ownership to kowtow and re-engage.

 

The Echo will look exposed if our successful run continues. I mean, if I were NC's media advisor and he was hell bent on hurting the Echo, I'd be doing all I could to pin the badge of Pompey lovers on the Echo ahead of the FA Cup tie. Purely on the basis that you're either with us or agi'n us.

[John B]

Makes sense. But to my mind there's being right and being in the right. The two are not necessarily the same thing in this instance.

 

I asked about whether there were conditions on the Echo because if NC's banning them was to attempt to achieve some particular end then I guess I'd have more respect, or at least understanding for his continued position.

 

If he'd said "until the Echo does XYZ" then they're barred from the club, then it might make some sense.

 

It could be, as I mentioned previously that it is a commercial strategy to marginalise the Echo for the commercial good of the club. i.e. he's looking to cut the Echo out because we have plans to make the OS the font or all knowledge, rumour, gossip and inuendo and by driving more traffic to the OS we'll eventually make more money. I have to ask myself this, do I hit F5 on the Echo site all day everyday during the January window. Or do I wait for my Twitter client to tell me that offialsaints has been updated?

 

Could it be that this is simply posturing to ensure that future skirmishes are avoided and Saints are more likely to be able to rely on the Echo's help to keep unhelpful news stories quiet?

 

Perhaps the echo already has a story about NC that he wants kept quiet? Perhaps it was the AC Milan story that he wanted hushed?

 

But if this is just a blanket ban on a matter of principle then I think they should both see sense and put it behind them. And as you say I would expect pressure from the Echo ownership to kowtow and re-engage.

 

The Echo will look exposed if our successful run continues. I mean, if I were NC's media advisor and he was hell bent on hurting the Echo, I'd be doing all I could to pin the badge of Pompey lovers on the Echo ahead of the FA Cup tie. Purely on the basis that you're either with us or agi'n us.

 

Yes very interesting post but what I cannot understand

 

is

 

From the Echo "Why Mr Cortese decided to impose a ban is something only he can answer. We were informed Mr Cortese was keen to meet and discuss the matter, yet he has never responded to phone calls, cancelled a meeting he arranged, and as yet has failed to give any explanation".

 

So it appears to be in SFC hand's

[Redondo Saint]

Their figures are dropping because it is a waste of money. I read the Echo for over 50 years, and in more recent years I only bought it to read about Saints. It is now full of classifieds, adverts and amateur journalism. I stopped having it about a year ago and I don`t miss it one bit. I think that Ian Murray has inflated ideas of the Echo`s "importance".

 

Agreed!

 

I buy the paper when I am over for the local news and non league sport. For coverage on SFC I go to the official website, this site and Sky Sports.

 

Murray is out of control in my opinion.

What other local newspaper editor has his picture on various pages and writes a weekly column on himself and his family?

 

He's probably got a tracksuit with his initials on it....

[miserableoldgit]

Agreed!

 

I buy the paper when I am over for the local news and non league sport. For coverage on SFC I go to the official website, this site and Sky Sports.

 

Murray is out of control in my opinion.

What other local newspaper editor has his picture on various pages and writes a weekly column on himself and his family?

 

He's probably got a tracksuit with his initials on it....

 

Tee-Hee!!