Does spending big make a difference..?

[Thedelldays]

should it..?

 

some think it should some clearly think it does not..?

 

thoughts...

 

 

imo...of course it does, enables you to bring in far better quality of player and results SHOULD follow suit..

 

you only have to look at the top of the premier league to that of the teams of the bottom....and then in the CCC..

[hypochondriac]

Course it does and something is still clearly wrong with the team. I wonder what it is? Midfield still I reckon.

[Deanovski]

i mean youd like to think lining up fonte against most other league 1 CB's hed be a cut above.

[alpine_saint]

Course it does and something is still clearly wrong with the team. I wonder what it is? Midfield still I reckon.

 

Reckon you are right.

[saint_stevo]

Maybe if we put out our best team it might be a start??????

[alpine_saint]

Maybe if we put out our best team it might be a start??????

 

Oh, how very radical and left-field of you...

[saint_stevo]

Oh, how very radical and left-field of you...

 

I wonder if AP has thought of it......

[NickG]

it will, we will be a great team when we sign stocks and Danns!

[Junior Mullet]

We need a central midfield pairing that can dominate. James and Hammond do well but we still need one or two more and get rid of Wotton before we have enough strength and ability in depth.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

I honestly think the same thing is afflicting both us & Man City in that we've acquired a number of decent players for our level but our squads are both now top heavy with "first team" players.

 

Pardew, when he first arrived, said the squad was too big and too many to train properly. We now have shirts 1-40 all filled with barely of the unwanted ones out on loan, let alone sold. Don't get me wrong, I think he's brought in good players for this level but we're still short of a player or two and we desperately need to get shot of at least 15 unwanted ones.

 

The new players have also been brought in, in a comparatively short space of time and, like Man City, they need to gel as a unit rather than being expensive cogs operating independently.

[hypochondriac]

I think we need quality in every position. We are lacking quality at RB, CB (if we don't play our best pair together) and CM. Also could do with some pace up front.

[doddisalegend]

Well maybe if we spent good money on players for evey postion but we have spent about what £3.0m however over half of that has been on two players Lambert 1.0m fonte 1.3m two players out of eleven doesn't make that much difference if the other players are only average.

 

What spending money does do is raise the fans expectations. We've spent loads of money but that doesn't give us a right to win anything. Expensive players with no fight can be done over by cheap players with a will to win. We've done much better in the cups this year and I wonder if our players figured that the league was a lost cause this year I know I did (still do).

[Smirking_Saint]

Of course it does.

 

Look at the squad we have and compare it too other league one clubs.

 

We have last years top goal scorer up front. A CB from CCC that has been said could possibly play at a higher level. A goal keeper that almost signed for west ham.

 

We definately need more strength in midfield, that i have been saying for ages and i think most of us will agree.

[Saint_clark]

I'm still not sure about the Otsemobor signing. It's clear for everyone to see that Pardew wasn't sure about him either - which makes me wonder why on earth we DID sign him.

[NickG]

Well maybe if we spent good money on players for evey postion but we have spent about what £3.0m however over half of that has been on two players Lambert 1.0m fonte 1.3m two players out of eleven doesn't make that much difference if the other players are only average.

 

What spending money does do is raise the fans expectations. We've spent loads of money but that doesn't give us a right to win anything. Expensive players with no fight can be done over by cheap players with a will to win. We've done much better in the cups this year and I wonder if our players figured that the league was a lost cause this year I know I did (still do).

 

not all that big money is up front, or guaranteed if we don't go up

 

Fonte was reported as

£800k Upfront

£400k If Saints go up within 3 Year term of his contract

£100k after 50 Games.

5% Sell on Clause

 

Lambert was £800k

[Smirking_Saint]

I'm still not sure about the Otsemobor signing. It's clear for everyone to see that Pardew wasn't sure about him either - which makes me wonder why on earth we DID sign him.

 

I don't know. All can think off is..

 

He has the potential to be a good RB, we can obviously afford the wages to take a gamble on the boy for 6 months. If pardew can get the best out of him he will be a great signing. If not, we lose him at the end of the season to no great loss.

 

If he is not good enough that means spending some of next years budget on a RB, if he turns out to be a real Gem, then that money will go elsewhere.

 

 

But i don't think he will be

[hypochondriac]

Once we sort out the midfield it will have a knock on effect for the rest of the team. Te strikers will score more because they have more service and we will let in less because the back four are more protected. I still think we need a LM and a DM.

[hypochondriac]

I'm still not sure about the Otsemobor signing. It's clear for everyone to see that Pardew wasn't sure about him either - which makes me wonder why on earth we DID sign him.

 

I agree. Why not try and get Ifill? He wouldn't have cost the earth and is quality.

[hypochondriac]

I don't know. All can think off is..

 

 

 

 

But i don't think he will be

 

And even if he is it's still a gamble. If we were truly going all out for promotion this season then I would have thought we would have brought someone in who is proven quality. Same with midfield (though this may still happen.)

[Saint_clark]

Unfortunately, I don't think much of Ifil either

I would have been happy if we'd have stuck with Thomas and James till the summer when we'd have a better chance of signing someone who could do the job properly.

Then again, Otsemobor could turn out to be quality for us......

[NickG]

I'm still not sure about the Otsemobor signing. It's clear for everyone to see that Pardew wasn't sure about him either - which makes me wonder why on earth we DID sign him.

 

from match thread

 

Just got back from the game.

 

Kelvin Davis saved our blushes.

Barndoor Barnard should've finished it for us.

Paul Wotton strung a few good passes together cueing 'Paul Wotton Football Genius' chants.

Rickie looks very jaded.

Otsemebor had a few nice touches and runs.

Fonte was solid enough, as was Seabourne.

Fish had his moments but overall impressed.

 

Left the ground with a mixture of relief that we didn't lose and frustration that we didn't kill it when we had the chance. Still, a point on a pitch that deserves nothing more than League 2 football.

[hypochondriac]

I wouldn't trust Wedgie's judgement on players

[hypochondriac]

So you geniuses have given them what...two games?

 

Yawn. Bored of continuously having to state that no one is writing off players. Pardew himself has stated that Otsemebor is a gamble. I just wondered if it was a gamble we had to take considering there was money available to bring in proven quality.

[Saint_clark]

So you geniuses have given them what...two games?

 

I haven't even seen him play. But the fact that he has only been given a 6 month contract suggests to me that Pardew isn't entirely convinced that he is good enough.

[doddisalegend]

not all that big money is up front, or guaranteed if we don't go up

 

Fonte was reported as

£800k Upfront

£400k If Saints go up within 3 Year term of his contract

£100k after 50 Games.

5% Sell on Clause

 

Lambert was £800k

 

I still think the point stands though we've spent the bulk of the cash on two players. Most of the others where cheaper, frees or loans. You can shout look at all the money we've spent but if most of it's on two players does it mean much?

 

Fonte is only one defender in four. Lambert isn't going to win every game by himself. If we had a whole squad of Million pound players (or 800k) DD might have a point but two players from a squad of 40 still leaves a lot of average-crap players in the team.

[SamKimish]

Expensive players with no fight can be done over by cheap players with a will to win. We've done much better in the cups this year and I wonder if our players figured that the league was a lost cause this year I know I did (still do).

 

Or maybe the opposition's players value the league more as it is the only thing they have left to fight for whereas we have the added distractions of the JPT and the FA Cup?

 

 

Oh and I agree with this ...

 

Maybe if we put out our best team it might be a start?

[hypochondriac]

I haven't even seen him play. But the fact that he has only been given a 6 month contract suggests to me that Pardew isn't entirely convinced that he is good enough.

 

That and the fact that Pardew said he was taking a gamble.

[hypochondriac]

I still think the point stands though we've spent the bulk of the cash on two players. Most of the others where cheaper, frees or loans. You can shout look at all the money we've spent but if most of it's on two players does it mean much?

 

Fonte is only one defender in four. Lambert isn't going to win every game by himself. If we had a whole squad of Million pound players (or 800k) DD might have a point but two players from a squad of 40 still leaves a lot of average-crap players in the team.

 

I agree with you actually. We need real quality in other key positions (not saying we have to spend big to get this but we have some obvious weaknesses.)

[doddisalegend]

I agree with you actually. We need real quality in other key positions (not saying we have to spend big to get this but we have some obvious weaknesses.)

 

We need a clear out in the summer I'd like two quaility players for every postion for a first team squad of 24. We are still carrying too many players. (I think) It's about 40 but a lot of those aren't really the players we need, or are to old or to injury prone.

[Saint_clark]

That and the fact that Pardew said he was taking a gamble.

 

Did he say that? I hadn't seen it tbh.

[hypochondriac]

Did he say that? I hadn't seen it tbh.

 

On the Solent interview he said he was going to take a chance on a player who hadn't done so well lately. He was clearly talking about Otsemebor.

[hypochondriac]

We need a clear out in the summer I'd like two quaility players for every postion for a first team squad of 24. We are still carrying too many players. (I think) It's about 40 but a lot of those aren't really the players we need, or are to old or to injury prone.

 

I totally agree. In the summer hopefully we can get rid of about 13 players or more.

[JustMike]

last night was painfully obvious that the midfield was the weak link, the lack of service to the front 2 and the lack of support for the back 4. I know AP has stated he wants a midfielder, i hope he is bloody good. oh and we miss hammond

[Glasgow_Saint]

Maybe money doesnt matter - we were battered last night by a team (all 11) that cost under 200k.

 

Whats important is geting players to play to or above potential on a regular basis.....we havent done that or we'd be top 6 already.

[Glasgow_Saint]

not all that big money is up front, or guaranteed if we don't go up

 

Fonte was reported as

£800k Upfront

£400k If Saints go up within 3 Year term of his contract

£100k after 50 Games.

5% Sell on Clause

 

Lambert was £800k

 

Where have you seen this? link? or is it just some guy on the CP forum (haha)

 

AP said he cost 1.2 million, the echo said 1.2 million as did SSN......but hell im sure some guy on CP forum knows best. PMSL

[John B]

should it..?

 

some think it should some clearly think it does not..?

 

thoughts...

 

 

imo...of course it does, enables you to bring in far better quality of player and results SHOULD follow suit..

 

you only have to look at the top of the premier league to that of the teams of the bottom....and then in the CCC..

 

It does if you get in the right players Burley did not get them we will have to wait and see whether Pardew will.

 

 

Lambert Harding and Jaidi have been good signings

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

Maybe if we put out our best team it might be a start??????

 

Couldn't agree more!

[doddisalegend]

It does if you get in the right players Burley did not get them we will have to wait and see whether Pardew will.

 

 

Lambert Harding and Jaidi have been good signings

 

Right money in itself means nothing its what you do with it. Imagine if some one spent 6m on Pulis or Forecast does this make these players suddenly become quaility? Two of the above players where frees and are both very good at this level. Lambert is our second most expensive signing but he's not going to win matches on his own just becuase he cost a million quid.

Edited 27 January, 2010 by doddisalegend

[NickG]

Where have you seen this? link? or is it just some guy on the CP forum (haha)

 

AP said he cost 1.2 million, the echo said 1.2 million as did SSN......but hell im sure some guy on CP forum knows best. PMSL

 

where did AP say that? link?

 

 

you have previous for making up quotes for him!

[Toadhall Saint]

Immediately - no. Over a period of time - yes.

[NickG]

Man City were taken over early.

 

Spent a fortune over last year

 

Have Mancini as manager

 

are in 6th, take off 10 points from them they would be 9th, 22 points from top and only 8 from relegation

[Glasgow_Saint]

Man City were taken over early.

 

Spent a fortune over last year

 

Have Mancini as manager

 

are in 6th, take off 10 points from them they would be 9th, 22 points from top and only 8 from relegation

 

They are competing with sides like Man United, Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal ect ect who also spend millions. Our competition is Brentford who spend less than 200 k on the whole team.

[NickG]

probably proportionaltly even a bigger difference - those teams have not spent a fraction of Man City - tiny amount in comparison.

 

Some have probably been more of a selling club.

 

It perfectly illustrates money does not always solve everything overnight.

[NickG]

Man City over £100 m spend, top 4 no net spend

 

they still have not caught up

[krissyboy31]

Where have you seen this? link? or is it just some guy on the CP forum (haha)

 

AP said he cost 1.2 million, the echo said 1.2 million as did SSN......but hell im sure some guy on CP forum knows best. PMSL

 

If you add it up it's more than £1.2million in total. No transfer is paid 100% up front and this one is unusual in the fact more than 50% was (because of Palace's financial position).

[Thedelldays]

man city have spent big....for that they are serious contenders for 4th...

 

one draw away from one cup final and serious contenders for the other cup.

 

they have been no where near this for what, 30 years..?

[NickG]

Man City

 

Good example

 

Taken over 1 1/2 years ago.

 

Spent over £120 million

 

In time when other top premier teams are having zero net spend.

 

They are still not in top 4.

 

Even now, if they had -10 points they would not be placed remarkably better than us in their league.

[jam]

Man City over £100 m spend, top 4 no net spend

 

they still have not caught up

 

And they didn't have the benefit of playing in a lower division than they're used to.

[jawillwill]

I bought a car and an Xbox360 the other day. I'm now able to drive home from work and play on the xbox when I'm back. Something I could never do before. In that respect, spending big can sometimes make a difference.

[Thedelldays]

Man City

 

Good example

 

Taken over 1 1/2 years ago.

 

Spent over £120 million

 

In time when other top premier teams are having zero net spend.

 

They are still not in top 4.

 

Even now, if they had -10 points they would not be placed remarkably better than us in their league.

 

 

so..man u have not spent...arsenal have not spent...chelsea have not spent...villa have not spent...??

 

I woud say man city are miles better than they were 2 years ago ad are serious contenders to win trophies this season....which they have not done for what...30 years..?

 

unless, money has not done this for them