JRM Posted 27 January, 2010 Posted 27 January, 2010 Exactly! There are some really arrogant comments in this thread! We're Southampton, and we are in the 3rd tier of English football!! We were never that good when we were in the Prem so why the sudden belt of delusions of grandeur!! I think it is more the point that despite significant improvement before xmas we seem to have gone back to our poor form, the 2nd half yesterday was dreadful, no passing, aimless long balls and people were criticing Lambert but there was nothing he could do other than chase lost causes. The midfield looked weak and Ostemobor should be on the bench in my opinion.
OldNick Posted 27 January, 2010 Posted 27 January, 2010 could well have lost by a lot more. Davis was different class! Do you know we still have fans who should know better who criticise him and make the naff comments that he is a good shotstopper but his distribution or taking crosses is poor. Yetagain he gained us points. he is a top class keeper in this leagure and we are fortunate to have him
Scudamore Posted 27 January, 2010 Posted 27 January, 2010 I was really looking forward to seeing Jaidi and Fonte as our new centre back pairing last night, so i was very surprised to see Seabourne in the starting line up instead of Jaidi. Thomas being dropped also surprised me, i'm guessing he won't be with us much longer due to his high pay and small amount of appearances. It felt very much like a match from last season with little created and Kelvin keeping us in it again. Roll on Saturday, if we can't beat Stockport then mid-table is the best we can hope for this season. Once again. Jaidi is not capable of playing three games within the space of seven days.
The Godfather Posted 27 January, 2010 Posted 27 January, 2010 we were awful last night apart from our defence and barnard played (except the sitter he missed). Midfield was the problem last night.
Clifford Nelson Posted 27 January, 2010 Posted 27 January, 2010 The hoofball is a worry and probably unsustainable - when you come up against a Kisnorbo or any physically accomplished defender as we have done against Colchester and Millwall, it doesn't work. We are dangerously reliant on Lambert, the target man that it detracts from the rest of his game and makes us all too easy to set up against. We don't even have the power and runners from midfield to truly exploit hoofball. Every team in this english football knows how to defend against a 4-4-2 system. They do it every week and have done for years. We really need to be a bit smarter and trust the quality of the players we have. They have shown already that they can handle a 4-5-1 formation with cultured passing football, possession, and the chaos it causes for defenses to see a number of midfielders coming running against them. It seems to me that AP believed that there is something inherently "correct" in 4-4-2 and that other systems are aberrations. I don't know what you'll do with Barnard or Connelly in a 4-5-1, but I do know that I favour a system which helps us win and if it ends up being entertaining, that much the better. If not 4-5-1, then it's time to be really creative, not to go down to the level of our opposion and therefore making it easy for them.
martel Posted 27 January, 2010 Posted 27 January, 2010 Before the mongs come in and mong all over the thread http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/D2/oform.html Based on last 8 games form we are 3rd So none of that "we should be better blah blah" ******** please Obviously Brentford is a hard place to go, lost only 2 games there etc.. But we were lucky not lose this one, Kelvin saved our ass. Soon as James went off we seemed to lose our creativity. We really need to get someone in who can create stuff from the centre of midfield. let's hope we get someone in soon. Correct meI am wrong, but I think Leeds lost at Brentford just recently; so in all honesty to come away with a draw is not that bad.
Clifford Nelson Posted 27 January, 2010 Posted 27 January, 2010 We were awful last night especially in the 2nd half where we were just so pedestrian. Starting to think Pardew lacks the nous to turn things around. Lallana hardly got a kick all night - should be rested or dropped. Midfield were anonymous and is our big problem area now. Barnard made some good runs and worked his big chance well but what a miss and in front of all the fans too. Interestingly after they scored I thought they would press hard for the winner but Brentford were happy for the point and we played our best footbasll in the last 8 munutes. And boy was it cold. Can' t really think of anything positive to say except Davis's performance - we really were at 6s and 7s most of the evening and on this performance Pardew is not making much progress tactically. AP has shown to be a good motivator and his signings have generally done well - although I'm not one of Antonio's greatest fans and I wonder about Seaborne, but it's early days - so is the lacking nous tactical? Let me quickly add that I don't mean that simply as choice of formation.
shurlock Posted 27 January, 2010 Posted 27 January, 2010 Correct meI am wrong, but I think Leeds lost at Brentford just recently; so in all honesty to come away with a draw is not that bad. Leeds drew nil nil there.
brett24 Posted 27 January, 2010 Posted 27 January, 2010 I think Connelly is the key, since he has been out of the side we have not been killing games off. Connelly is a class act and can turn games. I think he is our most important player, hope he returns soon. We have so many new players in our team, it will take time for everyone to settle in. I believe we will win this weekend and then go on another run of victories. We need to take each game as it comes, aiming for the playoffs is a dream at the moment.
Saint Billy Posted 27 January, 2010 Posted 27 January, 2010 The trouble is that other sides seem to be more stronger as a unit. On paper we should be coasting it but in reality we are having difficulties. Too many new faces trying to bed in at the same time, too many hoofballs in order to bypass a weak midfield.
saint1977 Posted 27 January, 2010 Posted 27 January, 2010 Other bigger sides have struggled at Griffin - Leeds drew and Norwich lost - so not a disaster but if we are going to win this league next season we have to win at places like that. I was staggered that Thomas wasn't picked and Lambert was kept on far too long when it was obvious that he had run out of gas and we needed more pace to stretch Brent ford a bit. Credit to Brentford, Pardew's excuses about the pitch were pathetic as Brentford popped it about with ease and at pace and in addition to making Davis so busy they smacked the woodwork twice as well. The simple truth is that for all the millions spent, their midfield has better footballers in it than ours. Davis 10 - Brilliant penalty save and 4 others that were just stunning Ostsembor 1.5 - Attention defecit problem, Fonte was constantly telling him where to position himself, a 26 year old with 200-odd career league appearances shouldn't need mothering. Get rid now. Mills 6 - Should have cut out the cross for their goal but can't be too harsh when Lallana is too lazy to track back all the second half Fonte 6 - Solid first half but out of character poor distribution Seabourne 4 - Can't head the ball and feet shaped like 50p pieces James 8 - Great goal and shame he got injured Wotton 0.5 - Pards forgot to remind him we weren't playing in red and white stripes Antonio 7 - Worked very hard and gave us an outlet Lambert 5 - Clearly needs a break Barnard 6 - Lots of hard work but what a miss! Lallana 2.5 - I've defended him on here recently but apart from one unlucky effort hitting the woodwork he offered nothing and couldn't be bothered to help Mills out either Morgan S 3 - Pedestrian, laboured, didn't want to be there Holmes 5 - Not much chance to do anything as Brentford swarmed all over us Waigo - not on long enough to judge, should have been on far earlier Mr Pardew
Chez Posted 27 January, 2010 Posted 27 January, 2010 Every team in this english football knows how to defend against a 4-4-2 system. They do it every week and have done for years. We really need to be a bit smarter and trust the quality of the players we have. They have shown already that they can handle a 4-5-1 formation with cultured passing football, possession, and the chaos it causes for defenses to see a number of midfielders coming running against them. It seems to me that AP believed that there is something inherently "correct" in 4-4-2 and that other systems are aberrations. I don't know what you'll do with Barnard or Connelly in a 4-5-1, but I do know that I favour a system which helps us win and if it ends up being entertaining, that much the better. If not 4-5-1, then it's time to be really creative, not to go down to the level of our opposion and therefore making it easy for them. Coukd not agree more. I do not know why Pardew persists with 4-4-2 when we quite clearly look a far better side in a 4-5-1 (4-3-3 ont he attack). Lallana, Antonio and Holmes all benefit from being stuck in a position, not to mention the extra body in the centre which is needed because Wotton is not mobile enough. I don't give a **** if Barnard and Connelly are anoyed at not starting. Lets play to our strengths and to me that means 4-5-1 is a must.
Charlie Wayman Posted 27 January, 2010 Posted 27 January, 2010 Spot the difference... Useless twit who couldn't manage a ****-up in a brewery persuades Chairman to splash zillions on players nobody but he has ever heard of but insists are the perfect new blood needed to bring a new era to Saints with a quick return to the premiership... Useless twit who couldn't manage a ****-up in a brewery persuades Chairman to splash zillions on players nobody but he has ever heard of but insists are the perfect new blood needed to bring a new era to Saints with a quick return to the premiership... Did you spot the difference? The first bloke was drunk when he said and did all those things, the second one wasn't... At least we didn't take the first bloke seriously.
Dr Who? Posted 27 January, 2010 Posted 27 January, 2010 without Hammond and Schneiderlin our midfield is going to be lightweight, but we do need another class midfielder and before the end of the week. We do not have the class in midfield without these two so we end up opting for the long ball up to the forwards. It is strange how we have gone from being a better team in the second half to being better in the first 30 minutes (MK Dons and Brentford) Only 2 points from a possible 12 on the road is just not good enough for a club that is suppose to be pushing for the playoff's. I cannot see it myself unles we put a very good run together starting on Sat. MIDFIELDER PLEASE!!
Charlie Wayman Posted 27 January, 2010 Posted 27 January, 2010 I'd be surprised if Cortese wasn't getting more than a little bit concerned about Pardew's inability to spot talent and produce a top-class footballing side because for sure I am. We're way past the honeymoon period, money has been spent and not very wisely by all accounts and results are just as effing poor as they were under the last manager. This just isn't good enough. OK the play-offs have been out of reach since Christmas but where are the signs of even a modestly competent team emerging from the chaos to deliver the goods next year? If Schneiderlin leaves in the summer we will be bum deep in the pig=sh*t* that's for sure
John B Posted 27 January, 2010 Posted 27 January, 2010 I'd be surprised if Cortese wasn't getting more than a little bit concerned about Pardew's inability to spot talent and produce a top-class footballing side because for sure I am. We're way past the honeymoon period, money has been spent and not very wisely by all accounts and results are just as effing poor as they were under the last manager. This just isn't good enough. OK the play-offs have been out of reach since Christmas but where are the signs of even a modestly competent team emerging from the chaos to deliver the goods next year? If Schneiderlin leaves in the summer we will be bum deep in the pig=sh*t* that's for sure A reasonable summation as I see it like that as well
Dr Who? Posted 27 January, 2010 Posted 27 January, 2010 I'd be surprised if Cortese wasn't getting more than a little bit concerned about Pardew's inability to spot talent and produce a top-class footballing side because for sure I am. We're way past the honeymoon period, money has been spent and not very wisely by all accounts and results are just as effing poor as they were under the last manager. This just isn't good enough. OK the play-offs have been out of reach since Christmas but where are the signs of even a modestly competent team emerging from the chaos to deliver the goods next year? If Schneiderlin leaves in the summer we will be bum deep in the pig=sh*t* that's for sure As I said in my post above, get the midfield sorted out so we have cover and we will be fine. We have one of the best defensive pairings at the centre of the defence, and the best two strikers at this level. Just need to bed in again. I just think that the two midfielders we had out last night Schneiderlin and Hammond any team would struggle in that area. Keep the team together at the end of the season and no reason why we should not go up next season. Give it time, I did not expect us to even have a club this season let alone go up!!
John B Posted 27 January, 2010 Posted 27 January, 2010 As I said in my post above, get the midfield sorted out so we have cover and we will be fine. We have one of the best defensive pairings at the centre of the defence, and the best two strikers at this level. Just need to bed in again. I just think that the two midfielders we had out last night Schneiderlin and Hammond any team would struggle in that area. Keep the team together at the end of the season and no reason why we should not go up next season. Give it time, I did not expect us to even have a club this season let alone go up!! I agree with mostly what you are saying but why should we automatically go up next season when we are currently not performing well despite buying in loads of players
corsacar saint Posted 27 January, 2010 Posted 27 January, 2010 My best mate who was at the game[although he is a massive fan], he is also very objective. He said the back four kept us in the game[although Mills was indifferent last night], and the midfield was totally non existent from about the half hour mark. He said we were lucky not to lose by at least a couple of goals. He also said the pitch was narrow and bumpy, but that should not excuse how poor we were.
Clifford Nelson Posted 27 January, 2010 Posted 27 January, 2010 Coukd not agree more. I do not know why Pardew persists with 4-4-2 when we quite clearly look a far better side in a 4-5-1 (4-3-3 ont he attack). Lallana, Antonio and Holmes all benefit from being stuck in a position, not to mention the extra body in the centre which is needed because Wotton is not mobile enough. I don't give a **** if Barnard and Connelly are anoyed at not starting. Lets play to our strengths and to me that means 4-5-1 is a must. I'm even prepared for him to try something else altogether, even though I'm not sure what it would be. But the midfield must be made to play and not being bypassed in this simple huff and puff, clear and hope and "hit it long for Ricky" style. It needs some kind of diamond formation to secure it and a clarity about how it is supposed to operate. Then, after the first defensive header we need to gain control, and not head it another three or four times without purpose before we clear it long again. A straight forward 4-4-2 is not the way forward.
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 January, 2010 Posted 28 January, 2010 Goals from Brentford now on the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_2/default.stm 05:51 in
RedAndWhite91 Posted 28 January, 2010 Posted 28 January, 2010 Goals from Brentford now on the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_2/default.stm 05:51 in Lloyd James, what a goal. You can see me celebrating as well Cheers for that WG.
bungle Posted 28 January, 2010 Posted 28 January, 2010 Just watched the highlights on-line. Forgot how many chances we had in 1st half. Perhaps we weren't so bad after all?!!
shurlock Posted 28 January, 2010 Posted 28 January, 2010 Just watched the highlights on-line. Forgot how many chances we had in 1st half. Perhaps we weren't so bad after all?!! Pretty selective i'd say - KD made a string of saves in the 2nd half. Watching their goal again, really think KD should have come out for the cross. It was headed in from inside the 6 yard box!!!
Avenue Saint Posted 28 January, 2010 Posted 28 January, 2010 Pretty selective i'd say - KD made a string of saves in the 2nd half. Watching their goal again, really think KD should have come out for the cross. It was headed in from inside the 6 yard box!!! wotton wasnt it? doubled up on fontes's man instead of marking their scorer? seems like ricky having a word too as he walks off. shame!
St_Tel49 Posted 28 January, 2010 Posted 28 January, 2010 My best mate who was at the game[although he is a massive fan], he is also very objective. He said the back four kept us in the game[although Mills was indifferent last night], and the midfield was totally non existent from about the half hour mark. He said we were lucky not to lose by at least a couple of goals. He also said the pitch was narrow and bumpy, but that should not excuse how poor we were. Coinciding with James going off?
Saint_Jonny Posted 28 January, 2010 Posted 28 January, 2010 just saw the highlights to this, so many golden chances to win!
John B Posted 28 January, 2010 Posted 28 January, 2010 just saw the highlights to this, so many golden chances to win! Yes as the commentater said SFC can only blame themselves for not winning
RedAndWhite91 Posted 28 January, 2010 Posted 28 January, 2010 just saw the highlights to this, so many golden chances to win! Yes, but the highlights are very one-sided, favouring us. They didn't show the numerous terrific saves KD had to produce, and about 2 of their efforts cleared off the line by our defence.
S-Clarke Posted 28 January, 2010 Posted 28 January, 2010 just saw the highlights to this, so many golden chances to win! just saw barnards chance....i think he had too long to think about that! he should have just hit it...
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