Bees (1) v Saints (1) Post Match Chat

[oxfordshire_saint]

Just got back from that dross, we were outplayed for most of the game by a team with more energy and desire to win every ball.

 

The ref being Brentford's 12th man didn't help our cause.

 

If only Barnard hadn't missed a sitter at 1-0.

 

Kelvin MOTM

[saint_stevo]

with repect you need more practice...

 

with 'repect' your spelling is awful

[modern matron]

with 'repect' your spelling is awful

 

i nead nore praktise!!

[Smirking_Saint]

3 defeats in league and cup since Bristol Rovers at home, 6 defeats in 26 league games you tool....

 

So where did the 17 wins come from then ??

 

You know, seeing as we were discussing league performance and all ??

[Smirking_Saint]

with repect you need more practice...

 

I will try my best for you i really will.

 

Please in the mean time keep me impressed with your insightful and knowledgeful posts

[Judge_B]

Just got back. Should have put it to bed before half time, Brentford came out firing and don't look like a bad side. Barnard's miss at 1-0 left you feeling we might pay for it.

 

Kelvin MOTM by quite a distance. Honourable mentions to Antonio and Seaborne

[NickG]

Just got back. Should have put it to bed before half time, Brentford came out firing and don't look like a bad side. Barnard's miss at 1-0 left you feeling we might pay for it.

 

Kelvin MOTM by quite a distance. Honourable mentions to Antonio and Seaborne

 

lots moaning about him playing - what is he like?

[for_heaven's_Saint]

If there was any doubt in my mind before, it has now gone. There's no way we're going to get into the playoffs this year.

[ghq]

Why do we turn on each other after a setback of the slightest magnitude? Dissapointed at not getting three points? Of course. Is it the end of the world? No. Frustrating? A little.

So results aren't going exactly as planned. Who in their right mind would swap this season for the situation The Dark One left us in? Try and relax a bit people it could be better, but could be an awful lot worse.

[NickG]

Why do we turn on each other after a setback of the slightest magnitude? Dissapointed at not getting three points? Of course. Is it the end of the world? No. Frustrating? A little.

So results aren't going exactly as planned. Who in their right mind would swap this season for the situation The Dark One left us in? Try and relax a bit people it could be better, but could be an awful lot worse.

 

its only about 4 posters. They have their reasons.

[modern matron]

So where did the 17 wins come from then ??

 

You know, seeing as we were discussing league performance and all ??

 

I just don't get all the negatives! Our overall form is good. You seem to have forgotten cup games, beating Ipswich, 1 defeat in 7, 3 defeats in 25 and so on. Why can't you consider that if we'd had a preseason with AP in charge, signings earlier and no 10 point defecit then there would have been every chance that we would be matching the form shown over the last 4 months. Face it we won't win every game scoring a minimum of 3 goals will we?

 

I have been following this team since 1970 often through struggles and I want to enjoy going in the right direction again now - as they say Rome wasn't built in a day! It's all about opinions so nothing personal .

[.comsaint]

Just got back. Should have put it to bed before half time, Brentford came out firing and don't look like a bad side. Barnard's miss at 1-0 left you feeling we might pay for it.

 

Kelvin MOTM by quite a distance. Honourable mentions to Antonio and Seaborne

 

We are so close to being 'almost there' - the finished article. A little more time for the newbies to gel - Harding & Hammond back (not to mention a fit-again Connelly) - plus this "new" mystery midfielder I keep reading about (whoever he is!) - and we'll be a cracking side for this division. This temporary blip won't last much longer. We will finish the season very strongly - I just know it. COYS!

[Smirking_Saint]

TBF guys, i can't use the 'what would have happened' scenario as an excuse for our poor performance this year.

 

People keep banging on about how you can't always buy success or what not but ignoring the money look at the quality in our side ??

 

We shouldn't be where we are and many of us ambitious fans get abused for wanting to see us chasing the playoffs, as a team of our quality should be !!

 

We are 4 points from the relegation zone ffs !!

[Judge_B]

lots moaning about him playing - what is he like?

 

He looks awkward and ungainly, and his warm-up routine is dreadful. He seemed to win a lot of headers though, and his positioning was good. I liked him, but that's the first I've seen of him

[oxfordshire_saint]

lots moaning about him playing - what is he like?

 

Cleared up quite well at times, very agricultural though.

[NickG]

everyone wants to be chasing play offs.

[saint_stevo]

I just don't get all the negatives! Our overall form is good. You seem to have forgotten cup games, beating Ipswich, 1 defeat in 7, 3 defeats in 25 and so on. Why can't you consider that if we'd had a preseason with AP in charge, signings earlier and no 10 point defecit then there would have been every chance that we would be matching the form shown over the last 4 months. Face it we won't win every game scoring a minimum of 3 goals will we?

 

I have been following this team since 1970 often through struggles and I want to enjoy going in the right direction again now - as they say Rome wasn't built in a day! It's all about opinions so nothing personal .

 

If the romans had bought the best labour available, it woulda been done quicker

[Smirking_Saint]

I just don't get all the negatives! Our overall form is good. You seem to have forgotten cup games, beating Ipswich, 1 defeat in 7, 3 defeats in 25 and so on. Why can't you consider that if we'd had a preseason with AP in charge, signings earlier and no 10 point defecit then there would have been every chance that we would be matching the form shown over the last 4 months. Face it we won't win every game scoring a minimum of 3 goals will we?

 

I have been following this team since 1970 often through struggles and I want to enjoy going in the right direction again now - as they say Rome wasn't built in a day! It's all about opinions so nothing personal .

 

Not losing is only looking at one dimension of the arguement though, you need to look at both sides.

 

We didn't have a bad pre-season and to be honest had a good team early enough in the season.

 

We have only won 10 games out of 25, is this good enough ??? No, no it isn't.

 

That is my negatives, and tbh if anyone is entitled to be a little negative once in a while it should be me, as normally i am pretty positive !!!!!

[Thedelldays]

I just hope we finish above Yeovil. The mighty Yeovil as one of my bosses is a cider monkey... He loves them

[Smirking_Saint]

If the romans had bought the best labour available, it woulda been done quicker

 

Lol

[for_heaven's_Saint]

If the romans had bought the best labour available, it woulda been done quicker

 

exactly!

[modern matron]

Not losing is only looking at one dimension of the arguement though, you need to look at both sides.

 

We didn't have a bad pre-season and to be honest had a good team early enough in the season.

 

We have only won 10 games out of 25, is this good enough ??? No, no it isn't.

 

That is my negatives, and tbh if anyone is entitled to be a little negative once in a while it should be me, as normally i am pretty positive !!!!!

 

Fair comment.

 

Just trying to cheer you up by saying we've got 32 points from last 17 games. This equates to 87 over a full season, If we maintained this form/points ratio until the end of the season, and added the 30 points we have now, we'd end up on 67. Maybe 6 points short of the play offs. Considering the start and the -10 that would be ok.

[.comsaint]

Pards is pizzed off (like the rest of us) and puts it down to a lack of service to both Barnard & Lambert:

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1945777,00.html

[rick1976.4.38]

just back from the game,my god it was cold,have to say we needed that sitter by barnard to have gone in,we were ok first half but the second they wanted it more and it was only time till they scored.kd motm by a mile,kept us in it,not the end of the world but a bit of work still to be done.play like that against the skates and they will muller us,well done all who went,cracking atmosphere,brentford support was woeful,coyr

[sperm_john]

on the one hand a point away from home is never a bad result if you subscribe to the 'win your home games, draw your away games' theory for a good season, on the other hand, we dont have the luxury of drawing games even if they are away if we want to push for play offs, so depending on where you stand ....its a) an ok result or b) annoying a points lost, personally i'm a bit of both lol

[Saint_clark]

Pards is pizzed off (like the rest of us) and puts it down to a lack of service to both Barnard & Lambert:

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1945777,00.html

 

We are definitely weak at CM.

Morgan and James don't perform consistently enough, Wotton is just not good enough, and Hammond IMO is only good enough for this season. He wouldn't get in Leeds or Norwichs teams.

[SNSUN]

Poor draw. If Davis had to make save after save, then we're allowing teams too much space.

 

We needed a win to kick the play-off push into gear - we could've been in 11th place tonight. If we can't pick up our form in the league soon, we may as well settle for a mid-table position now, and put all our effort into the cups.

 

A point is a point, so it could've been worse I suppose, but 3 points against Stockport, and a much improved performance, is a must.

[Thedelldays]

So. Pardew agrees with me

 

yet I'm wrong?

[.comsaint]

We are definitely weak at CM.

Morgan and James don't perform consistently enough, Wotton is just not good enough, and Hammond IMO is only good enough for this season. He wouldn't get in Leeds or Norwichs teams.

 

I guess we're all waiting for that 'magical midfielder' to sign that I keep hearing/reading about...whoever that friggin' well is?!?!

 

To coin a phrase: "In Pards we trust"!

[the wedge]

Just got back from the game.

 

Kelvin Davis saved our blushes.

Barndoor Barnard should've finished it for us.

Paul Wotton strung a few good passes together cueing 'Paul Wotton Football Genius' chants.

Rickie looks very jaded.

Otsemebor had a few nice touches and runs.

Fonte was solid enough, as was Seabourne.

Fish had his moments but overall impressed.

 

Left the ground with a mixture of relief that we didn't lose and frustration that we didn't kill it when we had the chance. Still, a point on a pitch that deserves nothing more than League 2 football.

[saint_stevo]

**** me, even Pardew is still bringing up the -10. Its not new! You knew about it when you took the goddam job

[NickG]

So. Pardew agrees with me

 

yet I'm wrong?

 

errr read it twice and not getting that "its just like reading delldays and alpine" feeling!

[Thedelldays]

He said we should be winning more. I guess that means he thinks we are not picking enough points lately. Basically the opinion I have.

 

Better send pardew a link to this place to let him know it's alright

[bender]

Just got back from game. Second half we were gash. Barnard shoud of made it 2 - 0 but then straight after that Davies made a wonder save, then it was near miss after near miss on our goal. All in all, please with a draw considering they could have fully turned it round 2nd half.

[Smirking_Saint]

Just got back from the game.

 

Kelvin Davis saved our blushes.

Barndoor Barnard should've finished it for us.

Paul Wotton strung a few good passes together cueing 'Paul Wotton Football Genius' chants.

Rickie looks very jaded.

Otsemebor had a few nice touches and runs.

Fonte was solid enough, as was Seabourne.

Fish had his moments but overall impressed.

 

Left the ground with a mixture of relief that we didn't lose and frustration that we didn't kill it when we had the chance. Still, a point on a pitch that deserves nothing more than League 2 football.

 

You can't say that !!! I got completely slated when i said he is looking tired and we should rest him !!!!!!!!!!

[Saint_clark]

I don't understand why he should be tired - does he need more than a weeks rest? (I'm talking about when the Huddersfield game was cancelled).

[rick1976.4.38]

i agree,rickie does look tired,has too much to do on his own.he needs more support from players around him.also thought lallana wasnt in the game much

[Smirking_Saint]

I don't understand why he should be tired - does he need more than a weeks rest? (I'm talking about when the Huddersfield game was cancelled).

 

He has played every minute and by his own admission is working harder in training than he has ever done, for a man that was clearly not used to this and out of shape i can see how he could become jaded.

 

I do see your point though clarkey, but the times i have seen him he has began to look unlike his early season bright self

[the wedge]

You can't say that !!! I got completely slated when i said he is looking tired and we should rest him !!!!!!!!!!

 

The poor guy's knackered, it doesn't take a genius to see that the guy suffers now every time he chases lost causes (which are becoming more frequent). He clearly needs a rest. Perhaps Connolly and Barndoor Barnard will get a run now. But unfortunately, we need Lambert. Tired or not, he does a lot of the **** work for other players. He chases everything, but wears out after 65 minutes at present. The guy needs a rest.

[Goalie66]

Back from the game. First half we looked threatening every time we broke and two nil up would have been a fair reflection. They only had one shot on target first half. Second half totally different story as they realised that they could play in our half and ignore our non-existing midfield and they hastled our defenders to hoof.In short they stopped us playing and pushed both full backs further up in support.

 

Tactically we did not adapt to this. LLalana should have been substituted as he was outmusled and Barnard was playing well. Woooton was awful and Davies was brilliant.

 

Not for thye first time have we been outmuscled and outrun. They were not a bad side so a draw was a fair result. No disgrace but disappointing as we had the chances to have won.

[Saint_clark]

He has played every minute and by his own admission is working harder in training than he has ever done, for a man that was clearly not used to this and out of shape i can see how he could become jaded.

 

I do see your point though clarkey, but the times i have seen him he has began to look unlike his early season bright self

 

Well then in that case give him two weeks off and use Barnard in his role. I still think they're too similar to play together. Unless 3 out of 4 of our midfielders are ALWAYS busting a gut to get up and support, which unfortunately they're not.

[buctootim]

If we'd got 1-1 after a ding dong battle against a strong side playing well I'd be happy tonight. Most disturbing thing for me was that Brentford were pretty poor with little cutting edge up front and still most of the game was played in our half. Like others have said, KD MoM by miles.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

That result means I have given up on the play offs for this season. Just 4 points off the drop zone now. Need to start winning again fast.

[SNSUN]

From what I've seen this season (although I didn't go to tonights game), it seems we're more effective as the 4-5-1 than the 4-4-2. Since Barnard joined, Pards has played both strikers. If Lambert is going to be rested, do it against Stockport, have BArnard up front and play Holmes and Waigo/Antonio. (Granted, we've also gone to 4-4-2 due to a lack of midfielders...)

[Smirking_Saint]

Well then in that case give him two weeks off and use Barnard in his role. I still think they're too similar to play together. Unless 3 out of 4 of our midfielders are ALWAYS busting a gut to get up and support, which unfortunately they're not.

 

I don't think they are similar at all tbh.

 

I think it brings us back to similarities between brett and beatts.

 

We just need to stop playing the long hoof and get a few crosses into the box.

 

I think we really needed to sign a big man that could come in and cover lambert when he is injured or knackerd, i can't see how pards cannot see this

[shurlock]

Back from the game - a fair result. we didn't play badly by our standards just that our top gear isn't very high. Barnard, having brilliantly worked him into space, should have made it 2-0 and the game might have been different. It was a surprisingly open game and we were given the space and possession to hurt them, but we didn't mainly due to ongoing poor distribution (tonight's principal offenders were Mills and Wotton).

 

Apart from Kelvin, nobody really covered themselves in glory (though Fonte and Semi had encouraging games). Seaborne incredibly cannot head the ball, or at least direct and can make firm contact with it - is like the defending equivalent of nonalcoholic beer. Hard to say who should have been picking who up from the cross that resulted in their goal but they had a free, unchallenged header - with nobody around.

 

Lallana looked subdued yet again and with the return of Holmes and options on the right, there is an argument for resting him.

 

Papa needs to start, simply so that our attacking play isn't as frantic as it is with Antonio.

 

Wonder how long James will be out for -didn't look serious on first glance but its hard to say- only adds to the incentive to bring in another midfielder or two.

 

By the way, their number 11 weston had an excellent game - what a winger should be. Was my MOM.

[Saint_clark]

I don't think they are similar at all tbh.

 

I think it brings us back to similarities between brett and beatts.

 

We just need to stop playing the long hoof and get a few crosses into the box.

 

I think we really needed to sign a big man that could come in and cover lambert when he is injured or knackerd, i can't see how pards cannot see this

 

Maybe not physically, but Barnard holds the ball up well, can pick a pass, can score a goal from nothing and is composed taking penalties.

You don't NEED height to win games - i'm sure there are plenty of teams out there who win without playing tall strikers.

[Saints foreva]

Isn't anyone a little worried that despite spending £2m+ we've not really pulled away from the relegation places?

 

All Saints seem to do now is play hoofball, it was very boring to watch and it really doesn't work unless it is against the sides who can't deal with Lambert. There seems to be more and more sides putting a massive man on Lambert now because they know that is all we do, I always thought West Ham played nice football under Pardew. None of this hoofball crap.

[Smirking_Saint]

Maybe not physically, but Barnard holds the ball up well, can pick a pass, can score a goal from nothing and is composed taking penalties.

You don't NEED height to win games - i'm sure there are plenty of teams out there who win without playing tall strikers.

 

I do agree with that assessment.

 

But we do use height to our advantage, Barnard is good at holding the ball up and will make himself a nuisence to defenders but in different ways to the strong and tall Lambert.

 

Without Lambert we will lose a dimension of our play, and with our other dimension slowly deteriorating by not allowing morgan time on the ball and crowding lallana out of games our chances are becoming limited.

[Andy_Porter]

Barnard missed a sitter that Connolly would have scored 99 times out of a 100.

 

Play 451 I couldn't give a toss if Barnard and Connolly are both fit were much better with five in midfield.

 

I'm not too dissapointed by the game I knew after Colchester and Millwall we wouldn't get promoted just disapointing that we played so poorly.

 

Any news on Lloyd James?