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How do you know they haven't been speaking?

 

In fact how do you know anything about what happened?

 

You don't!

 

You too are being presumptious, how do you know Weston does not know ? yet you finish your post with "You don't!"

 

It has been suggested many times this dispute is about the ego's of 2 men, whilst Murray continues to cane our club at every opportunity Cortese remains silent, a dignified silence ? I am sure Mr Murrays employers are keeping an eye on this situation and would suggest Cortese has already received the backing of his, The Echo(Murray) continues to play quite a dangerous game as there will soon be a public cry to boycott the Echo, now that we seem to have a united fan base their sales will be affected long before ours.

 

Using the obvious resource at his(Murrays) disposal, after private attempts have been made of course, why not be the the one to offer the olive branch, capitulate and move forward

Red And White Barmy Army

Red And White Barmy Army

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Very worried. Mr Liebherr said he wouldn't buy the club without Cortesse on board. The opportunity to be on a Serie A club's board now is surely going to twist his neck. Bare in mind he would have to wait circa 5 years to gain that sort of reputation in the English game. We know he didn't buy Benali's house, but is he still renting or is he settling? Him leaving so soon would seriously disrupt Mr Liebherr as well as his plans for this club IMHO.

monosaint

monosaint

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Nobody really knows what the plans were. NC may have been asked to stabilise the club and get it moving forwards which he has.. Job done and he's ready to move on? We bring in another more football oriented CEO to implement the plan..

dubai_phil

dubai_phil

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Very worried. Mr Liebherr said he wouldn't buy the club without Cortesse on board. The opportunity to be on a Serie A club's board now is surely going to twist his neck. Bare in mind he would have to wait circa 5 years to gain that sort of reputation in the English game. We know he didn't buy Benali's house, but is he still renting or is he settling? Him leaving so soon would seriously disrupt Mr Liebherr as well as his plans for this club IMHO.

 

Chill

 

It is nothing to do with "A better job". How much do Italian Board Members earn?

 

NC stands to earn something like 5-10mil minimum as his cut of any profit if he gets the club up to the PL and sold, and probably a lot more.

 

That on top of his wages is a lot of money.

 

Read what NC has said since the take over, then add to that the fact that he currently does everything himself (heck we had a thread about that just recently)- just him & Dave Jones as Board members.

 

There is no reason at all that the club cannot find a damn good "back office" Director to do the day to day tasks of running the business with NC remaining in control and having to make decisions. The decision making with a good #2 on board is easily a 2/3 day week job, no more.

 

As for the spat with the Echo, who needs who the most at the moment? With the club on the up the need for "free" publicity is a lot less than it was last season for example. NC is a strong character. They very rarely say sorry, so it is up to the Echo tomake the first move

 

IMHO

TNT

TNT

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I am no supporter of some of the journalism of today. Freedom of the press is fine but sometimes they use that unwisely.

 

I am not a supporter of Mr Murray and I am sure Mr Cortese is doing a good job at SFC BUT why is he (Cortese) not sorting out this spat.

 

Why will he not speak to Murray. It takes two to negotiate and end to this silly issue. If one party refuses to meet the other how can it be resolved?

 

The Echo will lose many friends over their obvious digs at Cortese but if he wont speak to them, how else will this be sorted. Saints need the Echo as much as the Echo needs Saints.

 

SORT IT OUT

 

 

Who cares about the Daily Echo as they are not important.

iansums

iansums

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I am no supporter of some of the journalism of today. Freedom of the press is fine but sometimes they use that unwisely.

 

I am not a supporter of Mr Murray and I am sure Mr Cortese is doing a good job at SFC BUT why is he (Cortese) not sorting out this spat.

 

Why will he not speak to Murray. It takes two to negotiate and end to this silly issue. If one party refuses to meet the other how can it be resolved?

 

The Echo will lose many friends over their obvious digs at Cortese but if he wont speak to them, how else will this be sorted. Saints need the Echo as much as the Echo needs Saints.

 

SORT IT OUT

 

I don't think so.

Wes Tender

Wes Tender

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The Echo will lose many friends over their obvious digs at Cortese but if he wont speak to them, how else will this be sorted. Saints need the Echo as much as the Echo needs Saints.

 

SORT IT OUT

 

I agree that they need to establish some sort of dialogue in the interests of both parties. But the Club do not need the Echo. They know damned well that if the Echo choose not to report signings, match results and reports or other information of interests to Saints supporters, then they will be cutting off their nose to spite their face. On the other hand, the club can easily place newsworthy information into the public domain via all sorts of alternative outlets.

 

Therefore the club do not need the Echo, but a large volume of sales for the Echo must be linked to the events affecting the Saints. Alienating that market for their sales is suicide. Nobody who is a Saints supporter is going to side with the paper and boycott the club, whereas the reverse situation is a distinct possibility.

 

Murray is on a hiding to nothing and the sooner that he realises that he doesn't have the power or the influence that he mistakenly believes he does, the better it will be for his future career prospects. He obviously does not have the humility to go cap in hand and apologise. More fool him.

david in sweden

david in sweden

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He could still be on the board of a Serie A Club perhaps

 

I don't think its anything to make headlines about.

Many directors are on Boards of internationals companies. NC doesn't own Saints.... Marcus Liebherr does.

There is no conflict of interest if he takes a directorship on anothers clubs board in another country.

 

Abrahamovich has interests in a club in Russia, as well as Chelsea.

No problem to travel to a few Board meetings a year.

 

Sour grapes !---The Echo trying to stir it up because of their SMS ban !

Joensuu

Joensuu

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I for one shan't buy another Echo until they issue a public apology. If they are attempting to undermine the club, they are essentially little better than Skates.

Leicestersaint

Leicestersaint

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I just found this email thats listed on the Daily Echo site for contact. I am emailing this idiot now to show my disgust using a charity to slag of the club.

 

 

ian.murray@dailyecho.co.uk

 

Sorry but i don't see how you can blame the paper for this -any reasonable person would think that the club are out of order to be behaving in such a puerile way. Mr Cortese is in danger of making a fool of himself.

TNT

TNT

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On the ugly inside a poster is caliming this charity thing is in the 'public domain' and not related to any issue with the club ?

Nineteen Canteen

Nineteen Canteen

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Yes it does seem a little pathetic from SFC according to Mr Suchet but who knows what the true facts are perhaps in time we will know

 

Mr Suchet, an ITN newsreader and patron of For Dementia, said: “The people that run Southampton Football Club should hang their heads in shame.”

 

Pretty damning from an experienced journalist and given the fall out between the Echo and the Club, the former I expect have to be absolutely spot on with their reports for fear of going under from expensive legal proceedings.

 

Banning the local paper to report on non football related charity events is churlish in the extreme but by the same token the Echo are clearly proud of the fact their football coverage hasn't suffered so why should the reports on charity events?

 

Neither Murray or Cortese are covering themselves in glory and it comes across as both petty and childish which is surprising given Cortese obvious intellect. On the face of it we should have no problem with him sitting on the board of a Serie A club provided we don't become a feeder club or a rest home for a bunch of underperforming overpaid players without any passion or desire to play for our club. Far-fetched? Probably, but so was the notion we would be taken over by one of the world's wealthiest men.

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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Neither Murray or Cortese are covering themselves in glory and it comes across as both petty and childish which is surprising given Cortese obvious intellect.

 

Cortese has said nothing on the matter. How do you know what has happened? All we have seen is the Echo's comment and side of things. You can't make a judgement on that.

 

The Echo would have known the club wouldn't let them in so I'm sure it wasn't a surprise and they are used using this in a pathetic attempt to get sympathy which will just sour relations further.

patred44

patred44

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Quote:

"Nicola and I have enjoyed a long business relationship and it was Nicola who convinced me about buying the Club. He then conducted what proved to be a very difficult process very expertly and professionally. Ultimately, it happened because Nicola was at all times focused on strong business and ethical principles.

 

"Since our early conversations about the deal I made it clear that I would only buy the Club if he remained involved following the purchase. I am therefore very happy that he has accepted the role as Executive Chairman.

 

 

from the OS

 

I believe this has the potential of being very serious to the future of this club. What can be done to keep Nicola onboard, must be done for all our sakes. I would hate the thought of Marcus getting interested in Italian football

Nineteen Canteen

Nineteen Canteen

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Cortese has said nothing on the matter. How do you know what has happened? All we have seen is the Echo's comment and side of things. You can't make a judgement on that.

 

The Echo would have known the club wouldn't let them in so I'm sure it wasn't a surprise and they are used using this in a pathetic attempt to get sympathy which will just sour relations further.

 

If the Echo were misrepresenting Mr Cortese do you think he is the type of character to let that lie? Or do you think the Echo could afford to go out on a dangerous limb and publish a story that wasn't true?

 

I can make a personal judgement based on what is in the public domain as it has been published in a newspaper and is allegedly not simply based on slanderous hearsay. If the Echo have it wrong then I would not like to be in their shoes IMO. Likewise, if I was Mr Cortese I would not leave it long before addressing any potential misrepresentation of the issue.

Nineteen Canteen

Nineteen Canteen

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Can we stop this rumour please? Let`s not give the Skates anything to feed on!

 

Another reason if one was needed why it was a disaster of distraction to draw Portsmouth in the 5th round and far better for us to march on against a Reading or a Derby whilst they were dumped out by a Chelsea or a Villa.

Nineteen Canteen

Nineteen Canteen

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Quote:

"Nicola and I have enjoyed a long business relationship and it was Nicola who convinced me about buying the Club. He then conducted what proved to be a very difficult process very expertly and professionally. Ultimately, it happened because Nicola was at all times focused on strong business and ethical principles.

 

"Since our early conversations about the deal I made it clear that I would only buy the Club if he remained involved following the purchase. I am therefore very happy that he has accepted the role as Executive Chairman.

 

 

from the OS

 

I believe this has the potential of being very serious to the future of this club. What can be done to keep Nicola onboard, must be done for all our sakes. I would hate the thought of Marcus getting interested in Italian football

 

I wouldn't worry we are always going to be a more attractive proposition than Pompey so if that nightmare happened I'm sure are arms would be outstretched to Master Gadaffi.

krissyboy31

krissyboy31

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Have you noticed how that article appeared on the Echo's site after it was posted on the board here? With no more detail than the original post, except for the fact that club aren't talking to the Echo and a strained link to another story

 

Basically they are saying they heard it on Solent too but can not verify it because the big bad people at the football club won't talk to them.

up and away

up and away

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Originally Posted by Nineteen Canteen viewpost.gif

Neither Murray or Cortese are covering themselves in glory and it comes across as both petty and childish which is surprising given Cortese obvious intellect.

Cortese has said nothing on the matter. How do you know what has happened? All we have seen is the Echo's comment and side of things. You can't make a judgement on that.

 

The Echo would have known the club wouldn't let them in so I'm sure it wasn't a surprise and they are used using this in a pathetic attempt to get sympathy which will just sour relations further.

 

Are the Echo actually trying to say they could not have covered this event without being there? Well they have had little problem with so many other features, even Saints games. Suchet has made a point here and got extra publicity so both him and the Echo have got what they want.

 

The Echo has been banned and this is just an extension of that. This is nothing new, just being used for additional publicity.

jam

jam

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http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4871629.Saints_chiefs____ruined____our_charity_event/

 

A truly shocking article and the editors comment is laughable. Printing articles like this will only make the feud worse. Using a charity to get the sympathy vote ffs :D

 

Cortese has said nothing on the matter. How do you know what has happened? All we have seen is the Echo's comment and side of things. You can't make a judgement on that.

 

The Echo would have known the club wouldn't let them in so I'm sure it wasn't a surprise and they are used using this in a pathetic attempt to get sympathy which will just sour relations further.

 

Very funny.

Give it to Ron

Give it to Ron

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Another reason if one was needed why it was a disaster of distraction to draw Portsmouth in the 5th round and far better for us to march on against a Reading or a Derby whilst they were dumped out by a Chelsea or a Villa.

 

+1 You only have to look at the number of threads on here as proof.

Getting to the playoffs is a must to keep our better players interested and here.

As someone pointed out yesterday....in the relegation season we beat them twice....whats remembered the most???

Psycrow

Psycrow

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Basically they are saying they heard it on Solent too but can not verify it because the big bad people at the football club won't talk to them.

 

My point is, I wonder did they actually get it from here.

iansums

iansums

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People in the media have an incredibly over-inflated opinion of themselves and I 'm sure that includes John Suchet.

 

And as for that charity, sorry what was it again?

Nineteen Canteen

Nineteen Canteen

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+1 You only have to look at the number of threads on here as proof.

Getting to the playoffs is a must to keep our better players interested and here.

As someone pointed out yesterday....in the relegation season we beat them twice....whats remembered the most???

 

Exactly - and we have long forgotten what this season's objective was and for me that was always early safety from relegation and a top 12 finish with the foundations for an assault on the automatics next season.

 

If this dreaded 5th round tie takes the players focus away from the bread and butter stuff as commented by Dune then our outside chance of promotion this season will be gone and we could even blow the JPT semi final 5 days before the Pompey game.

 

What has been a good season will for some soon lead to disenchantment because of what they perceive to have been under achievement. The league is vital and as I opined at the time the JPT has already been an unwelcome distraction and Pardew should have played a second XI in those games to protect the fitness / hunger of the first team. Our fixture pile up will now I fear be our undoing and we still remain closer in points terms to the relegation zone than we do the play offs.

 

(Now that is whats called as going off thread - sorry about that)

Wopper

Wopper

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I'm sure Solent were reporting that a Serie A club had offered Cortese a boardroom post this morning. Anyone else hear it?

 

If you want to tap up Markus you get to his monkey.

saint1977

saint1977

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They really don't. The Echo sells a lot of papers because of Saints stories. Saints don't sell many tickets because of the Echo.

 

Spot on. It would be good for the city to have a non-Newsquest paper that was far more articulate rather than a fourth-rate version of the Sun. The paper is playing a dangerous game, this regime is popular and the paper will go bust. A friend of mine did some work for them recently until he joined a more professional outfit and they were not impressed with now people conducted themselves inside that newspaper.

TNT

TNT

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No, I didn't.

 

Where did it come from then ?

 

I presume you work for the ECho and thus how can it justify itself with using charity to have a childish dig at SFC ?

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JonnyLove

JonnyLove

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There is nothing wrong with working on multiple boards as directors so there really isn't much to worry about. For example Apple & Google until recently) Shared board members. Steve jobs is also on the Disney board as well as running Apple. This is quite common. I am sure he will cope with both and I very much doubt he will leave the chairmans position here to take a back seat on another boardroom. Why? because thats not the sort of person he is. However now things are starting to settle and as stated in the past he wants a sporting director in place to take the load off then I for one have no problems if he wants to be on another football clubs board. (I am also sure there is no Football rule to prevent this either as they are in seperate FA's and there at present is no conflict of interest).

 

So Relax and let the good times roll.

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Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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No, I didn't.

 

Do you think the story about the charity is a good piece? Using a charity for the sympathy vote is pathetic. I'm sure the Echo was fully aware it wouldn't be welcome yet turned up anyway with the sole aim of using it against the club's management.

 

Why didn't the Echo inform the Charity and Mr Suchet that they were banned from club premises before the event?

 

Writing pieces like this will just annoy the club more. How did anyone in your office think this would help things?

 

The editors comments at the end saying that Saints coverage has improved since the ban is laughable. How can being prevented from having inside information and access to press conferences etc improve the quality? Now most Saints coverage is just relaying stories from the BBC and other media outlets or transcribing interviews on Saints Player and the Saints OS.

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Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

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I think we should get on down to Redbridge before the poopey game and pelt the Echo office with eggs and bog roll.

 

Is the Echo office no longer in Above Bar? no wonder the rag has gone down hill,can't write tranchant news stories from the provinces.

notnowcato

notnowcato

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The Echo knew they were banned from St Marys. This is a non story. Maybe they should be the one's saying sorry to the charity event.

 

I'm surprised by the vitriol on this thread.

 

Did the charity know that a major part of the local media were banned from SMS? Surely SMS management should have made it clear to the charity who booked SMS for a media event that the DE would not be allowed on the premises.

 

I have to ask why we would stop media coverage of a very worthwhile cause? Also, this will I presume effect further bookings of media events at our suites.

 

The "spat" should be football related only. Personally I think both sides are behaving like children here.

Rocker268

Rocker268

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I doubt he will leave us for an Italian club, why would he?

 

We are a club on the up which he has invested a lot of time into. We have the potential to reestablish ourselves in the 'best league in the world' within 5 years, giving him and Marcus a nice return on the effort and money which they have put in.

 

Any offer could be an advisory role or one to simply maintain contacts between the two clubs.

 

Apart from having to offer a huge salary to tempt him away I'm sure that any Italian club would have to pay a huge fee to break any contract if he was to leave us completely.

Rocker268

Rocker268

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I'm surprised by the vitriol on this thread.

 

Did the charity know that a major part of the local media were banned from SMS? Surely SMS management should have made it clear to the charity who booked SMS for a media event that the DE would not be allowed on the premises.

 

I have to ask why we would stop media coverage of a very worthwhile cause? Also, this will I presume effect further bookings of media events at our suites.

 

The "spat" should be football related only. Personally I think both sides are behaving like children here.

 

I agree that both parties are acting childish. But I think it was up to the Echo to inform the charity event that they were banned, because surely they were invited along and at that point they should have made it clear that they are not allowed on the premises. St Mary's have no reason to inform people of their relationships with other organisations when people book suites for events

saint1977

saint1977

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There is nothing wrong with working on multiple boards as directors so there really isn't much to worry about. For example Apple & Google until recently) Shared board members. Steve jobs is also on the Disney board as well as running Apple. This is quite common. I am sure he will cope with both and I very much doubt he will leave the chairmans position here to take a back seat on another boardroom. Why? because thats not the sort of person he is. However now things are starting to settle and as stated in the past he wants a sporting director in place to take the load off then I for one have no problems if he wants to be on another football clubs board. (I am also sure there is no Football rule to prevent this either as they are in seperate FA's and there at present is no conflict of interest).

 

So Relax and let the good times roll.

 

Makes sense in terms of the earlier rumours about a DOF coming in and SFC is a huge organisation to run if one person is making the bulk of the decisions and creating the strategy - Rupert Lowe found that out for himself and Cortese has now steadied the ship and will be getting good calibre senior managers to take on many of those duties. Cortese will still be overseeing though I would imagine.

 

As a final aside on the Echo issue, why didn't the paper send a reporter/photographer from one of it's sibling papers? With their circulation (and those of the industry generallly) and Saints revival, it's not a fight I'd be picking in their shoes.

 

Personally, I'm just looking forward to Brentford tonight. Hope the view is OK from the terracing.

Block 5

Block 5

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Is the Echo office no longer in Above Bar? no wonder the rag has gone down hill,can't write tranchant news stories from the provinces.

 

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Wes Tender

Wes Tender

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The editors comments at the end saying that Saints coverage has improved since the ban is laughable. How can being prevented from having inside information and access to press conferences etc improve the quality? Now most Saints coverage is just relaying stories from the BBC and other media outlets or transcribing interviews on Saints Player and the Saints OS.

 

They're having to rely on stuff from the Club's OS or from other media outlets, rather than making it up or putting their own spin on it, therefore the quality of stuff that they're printing has improved. As they're largely cutting and pasting articles from elsewhere, the spelling and grammar has also improved. ;)

 

For an example of how wrong they can get it when left to their own devices, you only have to look at their other story today, where they claimed that Pardew had said that the match against the Skates was make or break for our season. Of course, Pardew said no such thing, but the Echo had to sensationalise the headline to make it newsworthy in the style of the more lurid red tops whose company they keep in the gutter.

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