Cortese off?

[Matthew Le God]

They're having to rely on stuff from the Club's OS or from other media outlets, rather than making it up or putting their own spin on it, therefore the quality of stuff that they're printing has improved. As they're largely cutting and pasting articles from elsewhere, the spelling and grammar has also improved.

 

 

Good point.

[Toadhall Saint]

As to the Charity thing - was it to be an Echo exclusive (I think not)? If the charity were relying on the Echo for all of its publicity then fair do's complaining but I just can't see that the Charity were that reliant on the Echo alone - more likely to get the publicity now tho' don't you think? Now that could put a slightly different spin on the whole thing.

[saintchris23]

The Southern Daily Echo

Newspaper House

Test Lane

Redbridge

Southampton

SO16 9JX

 

Technically Nursling. Next door to where I work.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

How do you know they haven't been speaking?

 

In fact how do you know anything about what happened?

 

You don't!

 

And how do you know WS doesn't know anything?

 

Tis you being presumptious Mathew Le God.

 

I happen to know that WS does have possesion of certain info, and I also know he is not at liberty to say anything.

 

It is replies like yours that undermine some good intelligent debate on this forum.

 

I know no one like all this ITK stuff but some on here do try and inform without giving the game away and yet they get grief. Pretty soon they will realise that staying schtum is the easier option.

 

The spat is ridiculous, it should be sorted but you have two very stubborn men involved, I think. Ultimately the Echo will be the loser because the club hold all the aces but Cortese would be wise not to "paint himself too far into the corner" on this one.

 

I also don't think Cortese will leave just yet, but I will be very surprised if he is still here in 4/5 years.

 

Can't respond further as I am off to Griffin Park.

[Neil]

I'm sure Solent were reporting that a Serie A club had offered Cortese a boardroom post this morning. Anyone else hear it?

 

Yes I heard it on the 7.20 bulletin. Was simply a "Solent understands that..." type of story.

[krissyboy31]

Yes I heard it on the 7.20 bulletin. Was simply a "Solent understands that..." type of story.

 

Nothing on South Today at lunchtime, nor the Solentsport twitter feed.

[Matthew Le God]

And how do you know WS doesn't know anything?

 

Tis you being presumptious Mathew Le God.

 

I happen to know that WS does have possesion of certain info, and I also know he is not at liberty to say anything.

 

It is replies like yours that undermine some good intelligent debate on this forum.

 

I know no one like all this ITK stuff but some on here do try and inform without giving the game away and yet they get grief. Pretty soon they will realise that staying schtum is the easier option.

 

The spat is ridiculous, it should be sorted but you have two very stubborn men involved, I think. Ultimately the Echo will be the loser because the club hold all the aces but Cortese would be wise not to "paint himself too far into the corner" on this one.

 

I also don't think Cortese will leave just yet, but I will be very surprised if he is still here in 4/5 years.

 

Can't respond further as I am off to Griffin Park.

 

Even if Weston Saint does have more information than the rest of us, it is likely it is only from one side and therefore biased.

Edited 26 January, 2010 by Matthew Le God

[ottery st mary]

And how do you know WS doesn't know anything?

 

Tis you being presumptious Mathew Le God.

 

I happen to know that WS does have possesion of certain info, and I also know he is not at liberty to say anything.

 

It is replies like yours that undermine some good intelligent debate on this forum.

 

I know no one like all this ITK stuff but some on here do try and inform without giving the game away and yet they get grief. Pretty soon they will realise that staying schtum is the easier option.

 

The spat is ridiculous, it should be sorted but you have two very stubborn men involved, I think. Ultimately the Echo will be the loser because the club hold all the aces but Cortese would be wise not to "paint himself too far into the corner" on this one.

 

I also don't think Cortese will leave just yet, but I will be very surprised if he is still here in 4/5 years.

 

Can't respond further as I am off to Griffin Park.

 

 

There you go again FF.....You don't happen to write story books for a living. You said something about Pards leaving..So now you wouldn't be surprised if Cortese is still here in 4/5 years....

You and some of your little clique certainly have it in for NC and Pards.:tfrag:

 

What is your game Duncan?:smt088

 

You used to support the Saints.....To me you have become bitter and twisted.

 

And there we have Murray and the Echo newspaper playing silly games.....I wonder who started the rumour for Radio Solent/

 

Come back and support the Saints FF:smt054

[iansums]

There you go again FF.....You don't happen to write story books for a living. You said something about Pards leaving..So now you wouldn't be surprised if Cortese is still here in 4/5 years....

You and some of your little clique certainly have it in for NC and Pards.:tfrag:

 

What is your game Duncan?:smt088

 

You used to support the Saints.....To me you have become bitter and twisted.

 

And there we have Murray and the Echo newspaper playing silly games.....I wonder who started the rumour for Radio Solent/

 

Come back and support the Saints FF:smt054

 

Had to smile at this part. Hardly anyone stays around for 4/5 years in football nowadays. Any more useful tit-bits from FF, we're all ears!

[Glasgow_Saint]

what a traiter!

[SFKA South Woodford]

When Cortese joined the club, it was stated that he had been involved in Italian football in various ways, such as various transfer negotiations, and had also been involved in various revenue stream and finance deals for several italian clubs one of which was Fiorentina. So it looks likely that this is just old news rehashed and given a new spin with people putting 2+2 together and getting 5.

[CanadaSaint]

Makes sense in terms of the earlier rumours about a DOF coming in and SFC is a huge organisation to run if one person is making the bulk of the decisions and creating the strategy - Rupert Lowe found that out for himself and Cortese has now steadied the ship and will be getting good calibre senior managers to take on many of those duties. Cortese will still be overseeing though I would imagine.

 

Exactly.

 

And, on top of that, I've had concerns since the start that Cortese is too "high powered" for us to retain his interest for any length of time. Especially as we are, at the very best, 18 months away from kicking a ball in the Premiership.

 

Even if the story is right, we're not talking full time employment but a board position.

 

The DoF arrangement is made for this situation. As long as Cortese's got a firm finger on the pulse, and as long as the big decisions still go through him, I don't care if he spends the bulk of his time elsewhere.

 

And Markus Liebherr probably sees it the same way. Better this than a full time job somewhere else.

[ottery st mary]

Johan Cruyff...DOF it is then...

[scotty]

Another reason if one was needed why it was a disaster of distraction to draw Portsmouth in the 5th round and far better for us to march on against a Reading or a Derby whilst they were dumped out by a Chelsea or a Villa.

 

Shall we demand a re-draw?

[hypochondriac]

Had to smile at this part. Hardly anyone stays around for 4/5 years in football nowadays. Any more useful tit-bits from FF, we're all ears!

 

But he'll make a statement without actually saying anything, It's pointless and his ITK bits can be changed to suit his agenda.

[iansums]

But he'll make a statement without actually saying anything, It's pointless and his ITK bits can be changed to suit his agenda.

 

Ever since the takeover he seemed to have a problem with ML, not sure why?

[Window Cleaner]

Ever since the takeover he seemed to have a problem with ML, not sure why?

 

less access would be my guess.

I'm sure that the new regime continued the old regime's clear out of old fogies who could be relied upon to tip off all their "contacts" with inside information.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

less access would be my guess.

 

Although I have agreed with some, surely, the clubs historian should be granted access when required for club reasons, limited maybe but if an ongoing project exists to deny that would be wrong imo

[Window Cleaner]

Although I have agreed with some, surely, the clubs historian should be granted access when required for club reasons, limited maybe but if an ongoing project exists to deny that would be wrong imo

 

and do you think club history was all his "snouts" told him about?

 

I've nothing whatsoever against FF but he got used a couple of times by unscrupulous people in the old power struggle.

[John B]

and do you think club history was all his "snouts" told him about?

 

I've nothing whatsoever against FF but he got used a couple of times by unscrupulous people in the old power struggle.

 

I dont think it is anything to do with ML I dont think FF is comfortable with SFC being owned by one person who can do whatever he wants with the club

[ottery st mary]

Although I have agreed with some, surely, the clubs historian should be granted access when required for club reasons, limited maybe but if an ongoing project exists to deny that would be wrong imo

 

iF SFC can get rid of our kitman then the Historian has no chance....I think Duncan is much older than Woggy..as well......Saints are becoming a much younger vibrant club...Golden oldies have had it..

 

Bring back Woggy and Duncan and ottery.:smt054

[Weston Saint]

Fitzhugh Fella has nothing against our owners. All he pointed out originally was that Mr Liebherr was not answerable to anyone as no shareholders or other interested parties. He could do whatever he liked.

 

As to Mr Cortese I can tell you from my club contacts that he is well liked as being a fair but very firm man. Pardew is under immense pressure to deliver as are the senior staff in the other parts of the business. Revenue streams from all parts are increasing under his direction. It would be a big loss if he went (assuming the story has any legs whatsoever.

 

It is known he has had a spat with Murray but he has not spoken about it publically. That said I understand from both sources within the club and at the Echo that he has so far not been inclined to meet with Mr Murray to discuss.

 

I am not going to post more on this subject and did not intend to respond to Matthew Le God but it is unfair of other posters to judge FF incorrectly.

[Window Cleaner]

Fitzhugh Fella has nothing against our owners. All he pointed out originally was that Mr Liebherr was not answerable to anyone as no shareholders or other interested parties. He could do whatever he liked.

 

As to Mr Cortese I can tell you from my club contacts that he is well liked as being a fair but very firm man. Pardew is under immense pressure to deliver as are the senior staff in the other parts of the business. Revenue streams from all parts are increasing under his direction. It would be a big loss if he went (assuming the story has any legs whatsoever.

 

It is known he has had a spat with Murray but he has not spoken about it publically. That said I understand from both sources within the club and at the Echo that he has so far not been inclined to meet with Mr Murray to discuss.

 

I am not going to post more on this subject and did not intend to respond to Matthew Le God but it is unfair of other posters to judge FF incorrectly.

 

Of course Mr Liebherr can do what he likes, but as we saw last season if the fans don't like what he likes, they won't turn up and his investment will turn down.At the end of the day football at our current level is about getting arses on seats and we all know what it takes to do that. So does Mr Liebherr.

[alpine_saint]

I was hoping to read of a rebuttal by now, to be honest.

[landford.saint]

I was hoping to read of a rebuttal by now, to be honest.

 

To be honest NC has not issued numerous statements. He has wisely kept his own counsel, and made the very occasional public interview etc. I for one dont think that NC will issue any sort of rebutal to Murray, why should he. The Echo is a pathetic provincial rag.

[sussexsaint]

I was hoping to read of a rebuttal by now, to be honest.

 

 

Me too

[ottery st mary]

To be honest NC has not issued numerous statements. He has wisely kept his own counsel, and made the very occasional public interview etc. I for one dont think that NC will issue any sort of rebutal to Murray, why should he. The Echo is a pathetic provincial rag.

 

Over the top and very heavy handed statement:tfrag:

 

But I totally agree with every word.

[TNT]

I was just reading the sports editor from the news is banned from fratton due to incorrect negatives articles. If you search google there are other papers who have been banned from other league grounds. Normally only temp which is what i would of expected the daily echo to have. But they now have made the situation even worse and its a disgrace to exploit charity.

 

We all know that newspapers are desperate to sell papers hence the sensationlist approach these days. The people that run the Echo have had massive cutback and forced job losses. Southampton now prints both bournemouth and brightons daily paper.

Edited 26 January, 2010 by TNT

[Wes Tender]

Exactly.

 

And, on top of that, I've had concerns since the start that Cortese is too "high powered" for us to retain his interest for any length of time. Especially as we are, at the very best, 18 months away from kicking a ball in the Premiership.

 

Even if the story is right, we're not talking full time employment but a board position.

 

The DoF arrangement is made for this situation. As long as Cortese's got a firm finger on the pulse, and as long as the big decisions still go through him, I don't care if he spends the bulk of his time elsewhere.

 

And Markus Liebherr probably sees it the same way. Better this than a full time job somewhere else.

 

Exactly also. IMO this is something that we might see in a positive light. Apparently Nicola has been on the periphery of football finance previously and now he has actually been active in running a club, serving an apprenticeship of sorts. His interest in football having been writ large when he swapped from being a big hitter in the banking world, clubs that he might have been associated with on financial matters could see some advantage in maintaining a connection with him. Whether the association was because of possibilities of us becoming a feeder club, taking players on loan in return, or just because they consider him to be a good asset to their boardrooms doesn't matter either way. If it is more than just a rumour, it would be useful experience for him and the fingers that he has in other pies might well have some benefits for us.

[John B]

To be honest NC has not issued numerous statements. He has wisely kept his own counsel, and made the very occasional public interview etc. I for one dont think that NC will issue any sort of rebutal to Murray, why should he. The Echo is a pathetic provincial rag.

 

The information came from Solent originally not the Echo

[ottery st mary]

The information came from Solent originally not the Echo

Solents info...Is there an Echo:tfrag:

[John B]

Solents info...Is there an Echo:tfrag:

 

Do you think it matters if he goes as long as he does not take ML's money things should be OK

[ottery st mary]

Do you think it matters if he goes as long as he does not take ML's money things should be OK

 

I am reliably informed that he is not going anywhere:smt054

 

If he does we can bring Alpine in as DOF....I know Alps would sort things out....No messin:tfrag:

[krissyboy31]

Not sure if this has been posted but an updated comment from Murray (presumably after the criticism of today).

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4873124.Editor_s_comment_on_Saints_ban/?ref=twt&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=saintsfc,+southampton

[Toadhall Saint]

Love the comments below the article.

[Weston Saint]

Not sure if this has been posted but an updated comment from Murray (presumably after the criticism of today).

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4873124.Editor_s_comment_on_Saints_ban/?ref=twt&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=saintsfc,+southampton

 

The article confirms what I had said earlier.

[hypochondriac]

The article confirms what I had said earlier.

 

I agree that Cortese has a case to answer. That does not excuse the pathetic articles that the Echo are writing though.

[CB Saint]

Jesus what a carry on. Murray wants to know why NC hasn't got round to meeting him? Well probably that he has a 1000 more important things to do other that massaging the ego of a tabloid hack.

 

As for NC leaving - I hope not. The club is in such a different place than it was six months ago and a good part of this is down to him.

[Block 5]

Not sure if this has been posted but an updated comment from Murray (presumably after the criticism of today).

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4873124.Editor_s_comment_on_Saints_ban/?ref=twt&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=saintsfc,+southampton

 

I love this quote......

 

"This was not unusual as the news was already being widely discussed on fans' forums, who had, like us, seen the plans on the council's website."

 

I ran the above quote through Babelfish and it came out as:

 

"We get all our Saints news from the Saintweb Forum."

[ottery st mary]

Maybe when NC decides to leave to take over Inter or AC Milan he will give that arrogant chappie, Murray the scoop.

[CB Saint]

Maybe when NC decides to leave to take over Inter or AC Milan he will give that arrogant chappie, Murray the scoop.

 

more like the finger

[NickG]

Fitzhugh Fella has nothing against our owners. All he pointed out originally was that Mr Liebherr was not answerable to anyone as no shareholders or other interested parties. He could do whatever he liked.

 

As to Mr Cortese I can tell you from my club contacts that he is well liked as being a fair but very firm man. Pardew is under immense pressure to deliver as are the senior staff in the other parts of the business. Revenue streams from all parts are increasing under his direction. It would be a big loss if he went (assuming the story has any legs whatsoever.

 

It is known he has had a spat with Murray but he has not spoken about it publically. That said I understand from both sources within the club and at the Echo that he has so far not been inclined to meet with Mr Murray to discuss.

 

I am not going to post more on this subject and did not intend to respond to Matthew Le God but it is unfair of other posters to judge FF incorrectly.

 

They are judging him on the tone and content of his posts - which for some reason dramatically changed a few weeks ago.

[ottery st mary]

more like the finger

 

Or two:)

[hypochondriac]

Ever since the takeover he seemed to have a problem with ML, not sure why?

 

I agree. No matter how much he and others try to deny it, the evidence is there in many of he statements he makes. I'm not the only one who believes this. He has an agenda.

[NickG]

+1.

[hypochondriac]

They are judging him on the tone and content of his posts - which for some reason dramatically changed a few weeks ago.

 

I would say a few months ago but that's not terribly important. Many people feel the same way.

[CityRanger]

Maybe this is the Fiorentina "link" talked about when we signed Waigo?

[Stanley Saint]

I don't think the whining tone of the echo's stories is helping, but I think the club are in the wrong if they are banning news reporters from press conferences which just happen to be on their premises. If I had paid good money to book a suite at St Mary's to launch something, I'd be a) pretty hacked off and b) reaching for a lawyer, if some of the people I had invited weren't allowed in for reasons that had nothing to do with me. I'd like to think that our chairman was above such pettiness.

[Plumstead_Saint]

I agree. No matter how much he and others try to deny it, the evidence is there in many of he statements he makes. I'm not the only one who believes this. He has an agenda.

Spot on, sadly.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I agree that Cortese has a case to answer. That does not excuse the pathetic articles that the Echo are writing though.

 

Pathetic or not that is a matter of opinion but would you prefer not to know about what appears to be a strange action taken by the club? Not giving the local press access to the club surely fuels the fears of those voiced by Fitzhugh Fella and others.

 

Murray has stated the facts and why has he had to restate them today? IMO Mr Cortese is fuelling the issue by remaining silent and that will only encourage conspiracy theorists.

 

Bottom line if the media aren't given free reign to report on club related news we are reliant on being fed stories only the club want us to know and therein lies the rub of no longer being a publicly owned club and the point FF has made from the start.

 

Is his point valid? Depends on the owners of course and so far I can only see positives and a long term commitment from Mr Liebherr but blocking access to the local paper is highly questionable IMO and perhaps Mr Liebherr needs to step in because the club can do without any bad press especially when in the main it is not warranted considering how far we have come in the past 12 months.

 

The Echo have stated their case surely this will only be resolved by Mr Cortese letting down the drawbridge with or without comment. In the meantime I remain interested in what the Echo have to say, if anything.